@@ourcoffeeshelterall your videos are great, love the quality of your camerawork and editing, the coffee community is honestly spoilt for choice with such good channels to watch
With the Pietro, I find it easy to grind by pressing the base to my chest. In addition to being silent, it slows down the delivery of beans into the burrs.
Epic, excellence! Comprehensive and detailed with direct honest opinions, makes this one of the best video reviews on the current crop of coffee hand grinders. Just ordered the OE Lido OG before watching to replace my old Lido but glad to hear of the competition and enduring classics like the Kinu still in the running.
Thank you so much for your lovely feedback! We are working on the mid-level hand grinders video and the 2024 hand grinders videos will be coming at the end of this year. Hope you will keep enjoying our videos ☕️🤍
Excellent review! I have been looking for comparisons between hand grinders for espresso and you nailed it- plus you introduced a number of options I hadn't heard of. Thank you!
Thanks to your advice I’ve got the Kingrinder, k6 model. That’s really not much that this grinder lacks in comparison to these expensive grinders in the video
Thank you so much for this presentation! I have a OE Pharos 1.1, it is a very old design that has 68mm Italimill burrs, its excellent for espresso. Really syrupy. It has no step down mechanism so it takes a lot of effort and very difficult for light roasts. It takes 15 seconds to grind 18g for espresso in a Cafelat Robot. I would recommend but its quirky.
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot! We are familiar with the Pharos, but it is a bit old design as you have mentioned. We are currently working on Newest hand grinders of 2024, and hopefully this upcoming review will be interesting to watch once it is ready in the next few months. The Kinu M68 will be included, which you can anticipate seeing videos of it soon 👌😊
I've been using a kingrinder k2 for a while now and im wondering if would i notice a big difference in taste if i were to upgrade to something like the pietro?
Herzlichen Dank für diesen aktuellen Überblick und Vergleich inklusive der Performance für Espresso. Ich freue mich schon sehr auf den Vergleich der 2024er Modelle, die Du in den Kommentaren ankündigst. Solltest Du dafür eine Malwani Livi in die Hände bekommen, wäre das phantastisch. Thx for the good work!
In terms of construction, Kinu M47 is a solid choice. I have both C40 and M47. I have done a blind test for pour over. The setting on C40 is 28 clicks; and M47 is 3.1. Many people say C40 is way superior to M47 in pour over. However, my blind test has different result: I prefer the aroma, tasting profile and after taste from M47. Once again, tasting is very personal and subjective. Therefore, my only command is material in M47 Classic is premium
I use the C40 with Red Clix + the Big Black handle for Espresso. I also own the K Ultra, which definitely grinds much faster. For pour over, the C40 definitely wins it for me as I feel it is made for pour over (Might be opinionated as well). But objectively speaking, you can't go wrong with either of them and won't have any buyer remorse.
What an amazing review! I love the Kinu M47 but I hate the plastic bits and no cover to prevent pop-corning. My favorites in this group are the BPlus Apollo because of the all metal construction and very fast grind times. I love the Bravo IT also. I can't tell which is better between the Apollo or Bravo. Which would you choose and why?
Hi there, it depends on the roasting profile you are using. The Apolo is really nice, but it is extremely difficult to grind with light roasts. If you have the budget and you love hand grinding, you can consider the Kinu M68. Expect a review of it coming in the next month 👌😊
@@Timmeh2Buck Worse how? I use and love both, but I can push extraction more on the ZP6 without diminishing returns. Some people say ZP6 produces less fines than the K series and it seems to be true but the reason why ZP6 tastes cleaner is not just because of the fewer fines. ZP6 special cranks smoother and it's easy to maintain an stable rotation of the crank which also translates into less heat and static generated. On the other hand, it's worth mentioning that grounds shape is affected by the burrs feed rate. K series grind way faster and aggressively in comparison. People who claim ZP6 tastes watery and light, can say the same about flat burrs? In my experience ZP6 tastes sweeter and more textured than most flats I've tried and when fine tuning recipes K vs ZP6 I can easily adjust to make them taste quite close, but ZP6 holds the edge without a doubt IMHO
ZP6 isn’t that special . It focuses on clean cup, so it’s lack of texture and layers of filter coffee. For some complex coffee beans such as geisha , zp6 is not capable as K nor C40.
@@drevil2675 Wow, that's quite opposite to what I've experienced. Geisha and Jamaica Blue mountain are among my current drivers and I'm getting mind blowing cups out of it. I also own K and many other grinders. Still the ZP6 does the job with flying colors, even against fancy grinders for which I paid many times more
Great review! I am really curious on differences between manual lever espresso machines, particularly the Profitec Pro 800, and Olympia Express Cremina. I presently use the Aram piston driven manual espresso maker in conjunction with the Comandante grinder. The two are a beautiful pair, but I think it's time I step up my game. I'd really appreciate your reviewing the top lever machines if you're able to source them. Thanks again!
I'm not so much into specialty coffee, preferring medium roast with typical flavor profile. Wonder which grinder may be best suited? I have the C40 for last few years. It is good but not as consistent as I would like - sometimes producing quite a lot of fines and some boulders.
I have the Helor 106 and love it, for all the quirks and is part of my daily espresso making routine! Any chance your custom wooden knob for it would be available for purchase?
Amazing review ! I was wondering, I got a JX-PRO since 2020, I love handgrinders and seeking to go for maybe a higher tier hangrinder & improve my daily routine. But from what I feel and seeing today, I'm not so sure I would have huge difference with the grinders showed here. I mostly grind for espresso medium roast... Would I get better & more consistent shots with an Apollo or Kinu 47 ? And is the difference worth it ? J & K Series of 1zpresso mostly feel to me that they improved (much) ergonomic aspects of the workflow, which is super nice but not worth going for it unless I just have money to throw away. I would be curious about your opinion on what would be a real worth upgrade from a jx-pro
Hi there, either the Kinu M47, or the K-Ultra will be wonderful options. The build quality of both is superior and the alignment is brilliant. Your overall experience will be better. K-Ultra is really very versatile, and the Kinu quality is a wonderful change over the 1ZPRESSO Aluminium metal. Would probably lean towards the Kinu M47 Classic in your case. Also, both grinders will keep their value if you ever decide to sell them and try something new 👌☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter Thanks for your honest answer ! Oh dude that's tough. Still hesitating. I also love the Apollo design, having a La Pavoni Lever to restore... Let's just be honest, I'm never gonna sell them 🤗
Too bad you didn't mention anything about the different burrs with the Pietro. Im assuming because you say the filter is great you put in the pro brew burrs. Did you switch the burrs for espresso? If so, then how was it taste wise compared to the others
@@drevil2675 it might be a pain to use. But take in consideration that people with grinders that cost a few thousand dollars still come back to the Pietro pro for its cup quality at least for pour over filter coffee. So to say it's the worse grinder is just exaggerating 😀
@ourcoffeeshelter I can’t locate the best grinder video under $250 on your channel that you referenced at the beginning of this video. Could you please add a link 🙏
i have a c40 and use it only for espresso for the last two years , last week i bought a df64 gen 2 ss burrs and i really just cant make an espresso that comes even close to c40 . I mostly drink medium - dark roasting and c40 is really sweet , SS burrs flat bitter and boring am i doing somethin wrong ? 18g in 40 out 30s same puck prep for both grinders
Hi there, Greetings back to you and to all our friends in Panama 🤍☕️👋 As some friends have mentioned, it could be anywhere between 6/7 and up to 8/9. It is all about trying and testing 💯👌
I am a little puzzled about the comment that the Lido hardly grinds fine enough to use light filter roasts for espresso. I was about to buy the lido. Are you sure that you didn’t just have a lemon or whatever?
Hi there, we are sure we did not have a Lemon 🍋 The burrs in the Lido their Geometry cannot allow you to go extremely fine. At the point where burrs are touching, we got extractions ranging between 25 and up to 80 seconds. It is dependent on the roast, but still, this is the point where burrs are touching. ☕️🤍
@@coffeeistheanswer5923 That may be true with the lido OG. I own a lido E and i can easily grind for turkish coffe. That being said i think the lido e is no longer sold, also it has it's own quirks.
I habe an Aergrind 2022,im pretty happy with it,the only thing is the difficulty of completly dissasambling for cleaning. How is that with the feld47? Would like a bigger Home Grinder for espresso with the Robot.now its a bit an intense workflow for back to back shots with the aergrind as i can only grind for one shot at a time max 19-24g depending in the coffee Still works perfectly.
Hi there, try to get in touch with madebyknock, they will probably fix that. We will check with them for the meantime. Thank you for your kind words ☕️🤍 Aergrind is more like travel friendly, would be practical on a daily basis. Agreed ☕️🤍
I started the game with a used Lelit PL50, a single boiler machine that is no beauty but built to last for 90 bucks and a graef electric grinder for 130. My first manual grinder (comandante mk3) cost more than this whole setup (around 250) I sold and bought a lot of machines and grinders since then, the comandante would still be with me (if it had not been lost when shipping it to a friend to try it). I care for my money, but I do not care if a manual grinder costs 100 or 300, if it is of good quality your grand(grand)children can still use it. To pay 1000 bucks every one or two years for nearly the same smartphone with a new name- this is expensive (and stupid). Getting older, I worship craftmanship and longevity
Comandante C40Mk4: if you want to use it for Espresso: You´ll have to get RX35 Red Clix which is a finer knurled axle. Per click it steps down from 30 micron to 15 micron (which is still twice as many micron than any 1 Zpresso model).
Hi there, that is true, however, it is an additional €40 to €50 in costs. As for the microns per click of 1Zpresso, both the J-Max and J-Ultra offers 8 Microns per click. Adjustment can also be affected by the burrs geometry and size, but the J-series by 1Zpresso offers super precise adjustments.
My vote goes to Mazzer. Design wise it took my heart. ❤ And they' ve done extensive work on mistakes on the second interation. Ps. I don't get a point of measuring grinding time with hand grinders. Nobody choose them for speed. If you need a fastest time go for electric one. It's easy.
Yes we choose also for speed. Nobody want to spend +3 mins grinding. Being a daily user of a premium hand grinder, I would not go back for something slow, and grinders such as C40 are no go for espresso shots for example. And I love having a fast & precize grinder that give me under 1 min my 18gr.
Hi there, thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is a personal decision in this matter as some people go to high-end hand grinders for precision and daily use. That is why we prioritise mentioning these details to help each friend making their own decision rather than us prioritising based on our own preferred features. The Omega does check many boxes and it is a beauty. We hope Mazzer will come up with a new burr geometry for it, that one would be interesting to try! 🤍☕️
They could fix it, but what about those hundred units ou there, also our issue was not only that, the adjustment mechanism itself is by no means an enjoyable one to use. Not fine enough for espresso too
I have absolutely no plans on spending £250 on a handgrinder yet I’m very excited to watch this 😂
Glad to hear that! Hopefully you will enjoy it 🤍☕️😊
@@ourcoffeeshelterall your videos are great, love the quality of your camerawork and editing, the coffee community is honestly spoilt for choice with such good channels to watch
@@jackgtravis Thank you Jack, your kindness means a lot! We will definitely keep it up 😊💯☕️🤍
One day you will 😂
With the Pietro, I find it easy to grind by pressing the base to my chest. In addition to being silent, it slows down the delivery of beans into the burrs.
Bravo It is excellent. It is completely detachable. It has the option of changing the standard grinding wheel for an italmil filter grinding wheel.
Epic, excellence! Comprehensive and detailed with direct honest opinions, makes this one of the best video reviews on the current crop of coffee hand grinders. Just ordered the OE Lido OG before watching to replace my old Lido but glad to hear of the competition and enduring classics like the Kinu still in the running.
Thank you so much for your lovely feedback! We are working on the mid-level hand grinders video and the 2024 hand grinders videos will be coming at the end of this year. Hope you will keep enjoying our videos ☕️🤍
Excellent review! I have been looking for comparisons between hand grinders for espresso and you nailed it- plus you introduced a number of options I hadn't heard of. Thank you!
Always a pleasure ☕️🤍😊👏
Thanks to your advice I’ve got the Kingrinder, k6 model. That’s really not much that this grinder lacks in comparison to these expensive grinders in the video
Agreed 🤍☕️👏
I love it, but just the having to find the zero point each time in case it's moved is kind of annoying. Otherwise it's amazing
Just bought the K-Ultra, really love the versatility of the grinder.
Congratulations!👌☕️🤍
I have the newer omega x 11 microns per click. Beautifully made. Coffee jewellery
Thank you so much for this presentation! I have a OE Pharos 1.1, it is a very old design that has 68mm Italimill burrs, its excellent for espresso. Really syrupy. It has no step down mechanism so it takes a lot of effort and very difficult for light roasts. It takes 15 seconds to grind 18g for espresso in a Cafelat Robot. I would recommend but its quirky.
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot!
We are familiar with the Pharos, but it is a bit old design as you have mentioned.
We are currently working on Newest hand grinders of 2024, and hopefully this upcoming review will be interesting to watch once it is ready in the next few months.
The Kinu M68 will be included, which you can anticipate seeing videos of it soon 👌😊
So great that you could get your hands on the C60. Great insights (and lowered expectations from my side here)
☕️🤍😊👏
Thanks for the video i just purchased the K Ultra, cant wait for it to arrive!
Congratulations! ☕️🤍😊
The Bravito and Bravo products are absolutely amazing. Made to last more than our lifetime.
💯☕️🤍
I upgraded to a Feld 47 when I bought my Cafelat Robot. Absolutely brilliant combination.
I've been using a kingrinder k2 for a while now and im wondering if would i notice a big difference in taste if i were to upgrade to something like the pietro?
or is the difference only in the grind quality and precision
Hi there, tastewise, you will definitely notice as they are flat burrs and they are better consistency.
The 1Zpresso ZP6 is a great option too ☕️🤍👌👌
Herzlichen Dank für diesen aktuellen Überblick und Vergleich inklusive der Performance für Espresso. Ich freue mich schon sehr auf den Vergleich der 2024er Modelle, die Du in den Kommentaren ankündigst. Solltest Du dafür eine Malwani Livi in die Hände bekommen, wäre das phantastisch. Thx for the good work!
Thank you for the kind words. We will do our best to get the most interesting ones in that video 🤍☕️
Thanks for the great review! The Apollo is made by BP-Plus, bit by La Pavoni 😊
Thank you for the kind words. Yes it is bit of a collaboration between the two 🤍☕️
Love the way you put your experience in this video. I try the kinu and really admire it's construction, nice video, thank you
Thank you! Your kind words mean a lot 🤍☕️😊
Can you focus a video on great portable, travel grinders for filtered, more coarse grind ?
In terms of construction, Kinu M47 is a solid choice.
I have both C40 and M47. I have done a blind test for pour over. The setting on C40 is 28 clicks; and M47 is 3.1.
Many people say C40 is way superior to M47 in pour over. However, my blind test has different result: I prefer the aroma, tasting profile and after taste from M47.
Once again, tasting is very personal and subjective. Therefore, my only command is material in M47 Classic is premium
Thank you for sharing your feedback! Always a pleasure to read new feedbacks 🤍☕️
I use the C40 with Red Clix + the Big Black handle for Espresso. I also own the K Ultra, which definitely grinds much faster. For pour over, the C40 definitely wins it for me as I feel it is made for pour over (Might be opinionated as well). But objectively speaking, you can't go wrong with either of them and won't have any buyer remorse.
What a nice video! Btw the Apolo is pade by Bplus 😊
What an amazing review! I love the Kinu M47 but I hate the plastic bits and no cover to prevent pop-corning. My favorites in this group are the BPlus Apollo because of the all metal construction and very fast grind times. I love the Bravo IT also. I can't tell which is better between the Apollo or Bravo. Which would you choose and why?
Hi there, it depends on the roasting profile you are using. The Apolo is really nice, but it is extremely difficult to grind with light roasts. If you have the budget and you love hand grinding, you can consider the Kinu M68. Expect a review of it coming in the next month 👌😊
@@ourcoffeeshelter I find the Apollo difficult with light roasts, only in the beginning, when the burrs are new and not broken in.
For filter nothing beats 1Zpresso ZP6 special... Up there with the Pietro at less than half the price
I generally prefer the K Max for filter over my ZP6. ZP6 is better for Nordic roast and worse for everything more developed in my experience.
@@Timmeh2Buck Worse how? I use and love both, but I can push extraction more on the ZP6 without diminishing returns. Some people say ZP6 produces less fines than the K series and it seems to be true but the reason why ZP6 tastes cleaner is not just because of the fewer fines. ZP6 special cranks smoother and it's easy to maintain an stable rotation of the crank which also translates into less heat and static generated. On the other hand, it's worth mentioning that grounds shape is affected by the burrs feed rate. K series grind way faster and aggressively in comparison. People who claim ZP6 tastes watery and light, can say the same about flat burrs? In my experience ZP6 tastes sweeter and more textured than most flats I've tried and when fine tuning recipes K vs ZP6 I can easily adjust to make them taste quite close, but ZP6 holds the edge without a doubt IMHO
ZP6 isn’t that special . It focuses on clean cup, so it’s lack of texture and layers of filter coffee. For some complex coffee beans such as geisha , zp6 is not capable as K nor C40.
@@drevil2675 Wow, that's quite opposite to what I've experienced. Geisha and Jamaica Blue mountain are among my current drivers and I'm getting mind blowing cups out of it. I also own K and many other grinders. Still the ZP6 does the job with flying colors, even against fancy grinders for which I paid many times more
Great review! I am really curious on differences between manual lever espresso machines, particularly the Profitec Pro 800, and Olympia Express Cremina. I presently use the Aram piston driven manual espresso maker in conjunction with the Comandante grinder. The two are a beautiful pair, but I think it's time I step up my game. I'd really appreciate your reviewing the top lever machines if you're able to source them. Thanks again!
Would consider that for the future 🤍☕️👏
Thanks for the great comparison.
was the Pietro tested with Pro brew burrs or Bi-modal burrs?
Hi there, with both 🤍☕️
Excellent information.
Thank you! ☕️🤍
I'm not so much into specialty coffee, preferring medium roast with typical flavor profile. Wonder which grinder may be best suited? I have the C40 for last few years. It is good but not as consistent as I would like - sometimes producing quite a lot of fines and some boulders.
K-ultra or the ZP6 Special ☕️🤍👌
@@ourcoffeeshelter thanks! curious about the pietro 58 as well - how would it compare to k-ultra or ZP6?
I have the Helor 106 and love it, for all the quirks and is part of my daily espresso making routine! Any chance your custom wooden knob for it would be available for purchase?
Hi there, we got it customised from our friend here:
instagram.com/edeko.design?igsh=eDA2cXAybWV4bDg1
Good luck for ever ❤
Thank you! ☕️🤎
Thank you for your informative videos can you do best espresso machines?
Will do that in the future, but won't be very near unfortunately. You could check our review about the El Rocio Manus S ☕️🤍
1zpresso k ultra beats comandante c40 in every department. It is an easy decision.
Amazing review !
I was wondering, I got a JX-PRO since 2020, I love handgrinders and seeking to go for maybe a higher tier hangrinder & improve my daily routine. But from what I feel and seeing today, I'm not so sure I would have huge difference with the grinders showed here.
I mostly grind for espresso medium roast... Would I get better & more consistent shots with an Apollo or Kinu 47 ? And is the difference worth it ? J & K Series of 1zpresso mostly feel to me that they improved (much) ergonomic aspects of the workflow, which is super nice but not worth going for it unless I just have money to throw away.
I would be curious about your opinion on what would be a real worth upgrade from a jx-pro
Hi there, either the Kinu M47, or the K-Ultra will be wonderful options. The build quality of both is superior and the alignment is brilliant.
Your overall experience will be better. K-Ultra is really very versatile, and the Kinu quality is a wonderful change over the 1ZPRESSO Aluminium metal. Would probably lean towards the Kinu M47 Classic in your case. Also, both grinders will keep their value if you ever decide to sell them and try something new 👌☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter Thanks for your honest answer ! Oh dude that's tough. Still hesitating. I also love the Apollo design, having a La Pavoni Lever to restore...
Let's just be honest, I'm never gonna sell them 🤗
Too bad you didn't mention anything about the different burrs with the Pietro. Im assuming because you say the filter is great you put in the pro brew burrs.
Did you switch the burrs for espresso? If so, then how was it taste wise compared to the others
Pietro is one of the worst grinder in the market. It’s so painful to use everyday. Don’t waste your time on this grinder .
@@drevil2675 it might be a pain to use. But take in consideration that people with grinders that cost a few thousand dollars still come back to the Pietro pro for its cup quality at least for pour over filter coffee. So to say it's the worse grinder is just exaggerating 😀
@ourcoffeeshelter I can’t locate the best grinder video under $250 on your channel that you referenced at the beginning of this video. Could you please add a link 🙏
We have already shot it, we need to edit it. Hopefully will get it ready within three weeks, stay tuned for it 👏
Ahh, okay, I look forward to it!
Varia VS3 Evo hand grinder review when
Hi there, it will come with the 2024 best hand grinders. It will take some time tho 🤍☕️👏
Which one is more suitable for moka pot usage (and sometime filtered coffee) between Feld47 and K-ultra? Thanks
Feld will be easier to grind with for the Mokapot, but the speed of K-Ultra is just a great advantage ☕️🤍
i have a c40 and use it only for espresso for the last two years , last week i bought a df64 gen 2 ss burrs and i really just cant make an espresso that comes even close to c40 . I mostly drink medium - dark roasting and c40 is really sweet , SS burrs flat bitter and boring am i doing somethin wrong ? 18g in 40 out 30s same puck prep for both grinders
I don’t can find the video about the „under 250$“ hand grinders. Can someone help? Thx
Hi there, it is in the works. Should be ready in 4 weeks ☕️🤍👏👏
@@ourcoffeeshelter Hi. Was the Under $250 video ever uploaded? I can't find it.
@winexprt Hi there, we shot it, but did not get the chance to edit it.
Should be able to get it live in 4 weeks 👏🤍☕️
Nice, how many clicks do you recomend use in the K-Ultra, for v60 or origami?
Greetings from the country of Geisha, Panama.
It should be from 9.4 -10
For a medium roast I'd say 6~8.5
Hi there, Greetings back to you and to all our friends in Panama 🤍☕️👋
As some friends have mentioned, it could be anywhere between 6/7 and up to 8/9. It is all about trying and testing 💯👌
I am a little puzzled about the comment that the Lido hardly grinds fine enough to use light filter roasts for espresso. I was about to buy the lido. Are you sure that you didn’t just have a lemon or whatever?
Hi there, we are sure we did not have a Lemon 🍋
The burrs in the Lido their Geometry cannot allow you to go extremely fine. At the point where burrs are touching, we got extractions ranging between 25 and up to 80 seconds. It is dependent on the roast, but still, this is the point where burrs are touching. ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelterthank you :)
@@coffeeistheanswer5923 That may be true with the lido OG. I own a lido E and i can easily grind for turkish coffe. That being said i think the lido e is no longer sold, also it has it's own quirks.
Thanks for the Video,for your information,the Discount Code for the Knock Feld47 is not working..anyway,Thanks!
I habe an Aergrind 2022,im pretty happy with it,the only thing is the difficulty of completly dissasambling for cleaning.
How is that with the feld47?
Would like a bigger Home Grinder for espresso with the Robot.now its a bit an intense workflow for back to back shots with the aergrind as i can only grind for one shot at a time max 19-24g depending in the coffee Still works perfectly.
Hi there, try to get in touch with madebyknock, they will probably fix that. We will check with them for the meantime. Thank you for your kind words ☕️🤍
Aergrind is more like travel friendly, would be practical on a daily basis. Agreed ☕️🤍
I started the game with a used Lelit PL50, a single boiler machine that is no beauty but built to last for 90 bucks and a graef electric grinder for 130.
My first manual grinder (comandante mk3) cost more than this whole setup (around 250)
I sold and bought a lot of machines and grinders since then, the comandante would still be with me (if it had not been lost when shipping it to a friend to try it).
I care for my money, but I do not care if a manual grinder costs 100 or 300, if it is of good quality your grand(grand)children can still use it.
To pay 1000 bucks every one or two years for nearly the same smartphone with a new name- this is expensive (and stupid).
Getting older, I worship craftmanship and longevity
Hiii Would you recomend buying timemore S3, timemore C3 esp pro, 1zpresso q2s or kingrinder k6? I have a moka pot and a Delonghi! Help pls
K6 ☕️🤍
☕☕☕ Love Is Important 💓💓💓 .... .
Indeed! 💯🤍☕️😊
Would have loved to hear how the Eureka Baby would stack up against these beauties.
Comandante C40Mk4: if you want to use it for Espresso: You´ll have to get RX35 Red Clix which is a finer knurled axle. Per click it steps down from 30 micron to 15 micron (which is still twice as many micron than any 1 Zpresso model).
Hi there, that is true, however, it is an additional €40 to €50 in costs.
As for the microns per click of 1Zpresso, both the J-Max and J-Ultra offers 8 Microns per click.
Adjustment can also be affected by the burrs geometry and size, but the J-series by 1Zpresso offers super precise adjustments.
My x pro s has 12.5 micron adjustment
@@ourcoffeeshelter J-Max and J-Ultra burr are the same? What about their pour over performance?
I have that grinder and don’t have the red clix. I find it produces excellent tasting espresso.
Exelent video, can you make the review of kingrinder K4 and K6.
Coming soon 🤍☕️
do under 100 again.coz kingrinder p series and 1zpresso q air.thank yiu
Will do a video about best in the 2024, stay tuned for that one ☕️🤍
I have the c40 but I won't be getting the c60 no way... for that price bump I'm going with the pietro-
Don’t buy peitro nor C60. Peitro is so painful to use. The design is not good at all.
1Zpresso ZP6 Special or the K-Ultra would be wonderful options to consider ☕️🤍
My vote goes to Mazzer. Design wise it took my heart. ❤ And they' ve done extensive work on mistakes on the second interation.
Ps. I don't get a point of measuring grinding time with hand grinders. Nobody choose them for speed. If you need a fastest time go for electric one. It's easy.
Yes we choose also for speed. Nobody want to spend +3 mins grinding. Being a daily user of a premium hand grinder, I would not go back for something slow, and grinders such as C40 are no go for espresso shots for example. And I love having a fast & precize grinder that give me under 1 min my 18gr.
@@StopTalkGoPlay I hardly imagine hand grinder as a daily driver. It's like using a horse instead of car.
Hi there, thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is a personal decision in this matter as some people go to high-end hand grinders for precision and daily use. That is why we prioritise mentioning these details to help each friend making their own decision rather than us prioritising based on our own preferred features.
The Omega does check many boxes and it is a beauty. We hope Mazzer will come up with a new burr geometry for it, that one would be interesting to try! 🤍☕️
C60 bottom doesnt need to be sharp at all. That part doesnt do any part of the grinding. Im sure they could fix it.
They could fix it, but what about those hundred units ou there, also our issue was not only that, the adjustment mechanism itself is by no means an enjoyable one to use.
Not fine enough for espresso too
Where's the zp6? 😢
Next video (mid level hand grinders). Coming soon 🤍☕️
@ourcoffeeshelter but the zp6 not a mid it's from the top 😅
@@ayman8603 Pricewise we are speaking. ZP6 will be in the $100 to $250 category
Commandante need to innovate badly. The grind adjustment is hard to stomach once you've used an external mechanism!
Agreed 💯☕️🤍
Best Hand Grinder between 100 - 250 is missing 😉
Will try to get it live soon, we just have couple of videos to finish first. Stay tuned for that 🤍☕️👏
@@ourcoffeeshelter Thanks a lot for the info. I stay tuned for sure. 🤘
$250-400, and i get to work for my coffee? No way...
Most of these are pretty ugly compared to lower tier products
I have a c60 and I cut my hand. 🩹 That's why it's called Baracuda!