Frequency Shifting at low SOC. A home-made problem turned into an interesting and efficient feature.

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  • @glennsonne9786
    @glennsonne9786 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can only differ with you on one thing! It is never too hot to enjoy a SPAT! Aside from that, another excellent video. Thank you Andy!

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fridge is running non-stop during the day. It's 20 years old but still holding up and producing ice cold SPAT.

  • @Burwains_Energy
    @Burwains_Energy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great explanation of how frequency shifting works, I really enjoy all your videos. I use frequency shifting in my own Victron system and it works flawlessly. Keep the videos coming!

  • @FutureSystem738
    @FutureSystem738 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As always Andy, thanks, interesting …. And Happy New Year!

  • @mikischiro
    @mikischiro 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Victron system Is always surprising me, great discovery Andy 👍🏻

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And there is still so much more, I have to understand. So, there will be the odd Victron VRM video from time to time when I discover new things😉

  • @danielardelian2
    @danielardelian2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I'm sorry to bother you here with a different topic, but could you please do a bit of a deep dive into the programmable relay functions of the new JK-inverter-BMS? Thanks!

    • @marko24312
      @marko24312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes...I want to know that also.

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what did you need more than the info provided when Andy went through the functions last time?

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think this is all covered here in this video already.
      th-cam.com/video/qqSEPzbL_i8/w-d-xo.html

    • @danielardelian2
      @danielardelian2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you, I have seen that video but it was very superficial on this topic.

  • @MrSqueegey
    @MrSqueegey 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this informative video.your summer is our winter in the states.your hot we are seeing days around 1-2°c,enjoy the pool

  • @tyweb9264
    @tyweb9264 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Again Andy.
    I have 5kw Fronius Ac coupled to my 2 Multis, and it works great, throttles around 1300hrs this time of year, I have home assistant turn on Air conditioners in the house 1st starts at 90% battery, second at 95% battery so by 1400hrs battery hits 100% and the 3kw of Air con load and the home base load 1kw is al supplied by the fronius, and as things go on and off it moves around a bit. sometime excess into the battery, others times drawing initially until the freq adjusts accordingly. But it always tops the battery back up if it draws from it.
    The only issue I have is the new JK BMS in float mode cause the Freq to lock at 53hz (no solar) when they change from 55.2v down to float mode 53.5v. So in the short term I have gone back to the Victron shunt. Also the two BMS keep loosing coms with each other and this slows down or changes the %SOC and messes things up...Waiting on the next firmware to hopefully fix some of these minor bugs now.
    In Feb I will be adding a Victron 450/100 with 4kw of solar in prep for winter, looking forward to see how the system plays nicely then.
    Thanks again for the videos Andy, keep them comming

  • @thomyk2
    @thomyk2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Andy, you need to install some sort of air conditioner in the garage. I don't have anything else to do with electricity in the summer, so I bought two air conditioners for my house. Now it is very cheap. For one split set under $400. Madness. Of course I have to install it myself 😁

  • @schwellenzaehler4564
    @schwellenzaehler4564 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Andy,
    that is really very interesting content, because i am on the same path......
    a Multiplus and some Microinverters AC coupled in a off-grid situation.
    It looks like, that your system works well with this AC inverters.
    I hope i can get my stuff also fast in a good working condition.

  • @BadIdea1123
    @BadIdea1123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The flip side of AC coupled solar is that they generally have a higher input voltage (~600v DC), so there is a loss when charging to a DC bank with them but the TCO is usually lower at larger scale because the cable cost is lower (10ams at 600v vs 60 amps at 100v), size of strings etc is larger (which introduces shading issues). But most importantly your multiplus 2 has a charger in it, which is doing nothing if you dont hac an AC powersource.
    Also with phase shift, you will see that kick in when the battery hits float or absorb, and it will also kick in to keep the AC system from being able to overpower the charger, since the charger is the key component in taking our the peaks in solar production.

  • @philundercuffler6820
    @philundercuffler6820 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Using freq-shift to have the PV inverter match the AC loads also helps keep the Victron cooler in the hot environment, as it’s not processing power. Inverters are always less efficient converting ac to dc.

  • @awesomusmaximus3766
    @awesomusmaximus3766 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like Victron's interface

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, it's the best.

    • @awesomusmaximus3766
      @awesomusmaximus3766 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OffGridGarageAustralia I Use a Victron Quattro 8KVA Inverter that thing is a beast

  • @jasonbroom7147
    @jasonbroom7147 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only essential loads - pool pump and spat fridge! :)

  • @indianagrenoble38
    @indianagrenoble38 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don't forget to put Fronius AC coupling in MICROGRID 50 mode... And it's better to put a direct RJ45 MODBUS TCP between CERBO GX and Fronius GEN24 ❤

  • @junkerzn7312
    @junkerzn7312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hmm. That is pretty cool. I don't like seeing power left on the table though. I want to do something with it. It would be cool if there were some way for the multiplus to report the amount of curtailment in watts which could then be used to turn on and manage additional loads. Preferably the kind of loads that make you money.

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Andy already showed us his bitcoin miner which is almost unable to pay for itself and extremely noisy... there's very few loads that "make you money" consistently without additional effort.

    • @junkerzn7312
      @junkerzn7312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@stefanvanzyl9090 Being able to sit back and just have the money rolling in is the dream of many, and the realization of few.
      In anycase, there are better ways to make money than crypto mining.

  • @ludwigbrackmann1115
    @ludwigbrackmann1115 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great learnings! Thanks for sharing 😊😊

  • @garys-half-baked-offgrid-dream
    @garys-half-baked-offgrid-dream 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hold the Phone, Andy did you really say your summer Sun sets at 6pm?
    Rewinds, yes, yes you did say 6pm, wow if this is correct Scotland kicks your Aussie ass in the summer time for day light hours. I need black out curtains or it too light to sleep
    But my golly it's dark here in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, I have trouble staying awake and I have zero amps to charge my newly comitioned DIY battery shelf with.
    Luv ya
    Gaz

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sunset is at 6:51pm in summer peak time. But it raises already at 4:30am. So how about that, my Scottish friend?!
      Stay charged!

    • @garys-half-baked-offgrid-dream
      @garys-half-baked-offgrid-dream 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OffGridGarageAustralia Rooky numbers mate, honestly it barely gets dark in summer here.
      One day I'll have you over for a Beer on the Summer Solstice to prove it. 👍

  • @JPHER217
    @JPHER217 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Andy over here in northern sweden now we have -35c , dam its cold :) Contrast to "sunny hot australia" ;)

  • @Juergen_Miessmer
    @Juergen_Miessmer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1370 W DC Load in your House ?
    Have you a 50V DC wiring over that long distance ?

  • @Mr1Spring
    @Mr1Spring 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hallo Andy, Kannst Du auch die neueren Natrium batteries ausprobieren. Dann bisst Du super wunderbar. Gruss!

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jo, kann ich machen. Hab schon welche hier...

    • @Mr1Spring
      @Mr1Spring 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Toll!@@OffGridGarageAustralia

  • @tommckernon8038
    @tommckernon8038 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a similar problem. I have all Schneider Electric devices. In the morning, the sun charges the battery bank up to 100% but after that, the Solar power gets throttled back rather than supplying the loads. Once the Sell function starts, the system starts using all available solar production.

  • @fred-bevhogendorn8023
    @fred-bevhogendorn8023 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When are you going to install a caravan 48v air con system to keep your batteries cool?

  • @markelkins8432
    @markelkins8432 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Went and checked my MultiPlus II version, its v506 and I see that v508 is available... maybe a bug fix?

  • @RFDarter
    @RFDarter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    they say these cells like a temperature between 15C and 50C the best. so 40C is perfect and does not do any harm

    • @ssoffshore5111
      @ssoffshore5111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They don't like extremes on either end. Ideally, they like room temp. Heat will age them prematurely, especially 50C!

    • @RFDarter
      @RFDarter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ssoffshore5111 50C is nothing for these cells. a dude that is developing battery technologie is saying that.
      50C will not age these cells at all!

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      25°C is the ideal temperature for these cells. They perform best at 40°C though.

  • @andysnowden4605
    @andysnowden4605 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've had the same issue as you all last summer. I have mainly DC solar inverters and two AC-coupled inverters. Battery at 60%SOC and my AC-coupled inverters switched off and on again two or three times an hour. I would eventually reach 100% SOC but I was worried this switching on and off would damage my inverters. Also, frequency shifting messes up all our clocks with digital displays as they lose time every time the HZ increases.
    My DVCC is 'forced on' and the charge limit set to 70a. Did the Pylontech batteries do this? I suppose I cannot do anything to stop this from happening?

  • @paulcurtis5496
    @paulcurtis5496 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like# 6 - Now that I have had to relocate Taj-Ma-Haul abruptly... I'm down to only 5 x 540 panels and the other 13 are in storage for now. I am starving for Summer sunshine!!!

  • @davidpatrick1813
    @davidpatrick1813 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I updated, .. my AES (energy savings thing) stopped ........ haven't fixed it yet.

  • @zzyrc842
    @zzyrc842 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not using the Peter boards to limit the charge current?

  • @mflo1970
    @mflo1970 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Entonces deduzco que tener varios bancos de baterias en un mismo recinto no es bueno ,porque la temperatura influye en el estado de carga y si está sube en el recinto donde están los 3 bancos el que esté más cargado reducirá los amp de carga debido a esta subida perjudicando la carga de los otros ,no habiendo alcanzado el estado de carga competa de ahí la importancia de la refrigeración en los bancos de baterias en casa ya que esto no se tiene mucho en cuenta

  • @patricklyons7683
    @patricklyons7683 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wish you'd consider a cellar build with sunken water or mineral oil bath for batteries keeping them around 20⁰ degrees, automatic cooling of underground pool during night time hours with pump & vapour condenser setup outside.

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That sounds like it will cost more than the price of new batteries. Remember even if you keep LFP batteries at 20 degrees and 50% state of charge for 15 years, they will still experience calendar aging and lose capacity. so over a 15 year lifespan, buying new cells is cheaper than doing overkill to try and extend their life.

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      40°C is fine for the batteries. It's only a day here and there in summer when they get that warm...

  • @samsuffit6229
    @samsuffit6229 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, I am asking myself what is the impact of the increased AC frequency on the load(s) ?
    On a pure resistive load certainly zero but what´s about a computer or a clock ?
    Thank You for the video !

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      grid-compliant equipment are required to function normally on 45-55hz for 50hz devices, as well as from 195V all the way up to 255V. if your device cannot handle this, then it is designed incorrectly.
      Clocks in computers do not use frequency to sync. Clocks in old ovens/stoves/etc. use frequency, and they will lose sync.

    • @samsuffit6229
      @samsuffit6229 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stefanvanzyl9090 Thank You for the answer, Yes I heard about the oven, well I think I can live with that !

  • @Dutch_off_grid_homesteading
    @Dutch_off_grid_homesteading 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Heya, ac to ac and dc to dc you will have less losses forsure. nince that victron is doing this almost automaticly

  • @DanBurgaud
    @DanBurgaud 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:50 WOW! >37⁰C! Will you add ventilation to it? ~40⁰C is kinda unpleasant IMO.
    Meanwhile many local solar forum members would attest their "expensive branded battery" can be used upto 70⁰C compared to our cheapo DIY battery pack. 50⁰C is too hot to the touch, let alone 70⁰C, I wont bet my house on that...

  • @todamnbad
    @todamnbad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Off topic but do you know if or how to use the HDMI on the rasberry pi to display venos os on a regular computer monitor?

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, it should just work when plugged in.
      If you want touch screen as well, there is a driver necessary.

    • @todamnbad
      @todamnbad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @OffGridGarageAustralia I tried amd I get no output video

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@todamnbad have a look here. That might help: community.victronenergy.com/articles/10516/howto-use-a-hdmi-screen-with-usb-touch-panel-and-u.html

  • @jasondevine6014
    @jasondevine6014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So you dont use dvcc for mppt voltages?

  • @KossuJahvetti
    @KossuJahvetti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ain't having that issue in Finland, with few hours of sunshine atm..
    I guess no news from JK about 200A BMS issue? I think I have two of these "not able to connect PC" versions on my table as well.

    • @rikvanwesterveld
      @rikvanwesterveld 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had the same issue; ordering the Seplos adapter solved that issue!

    • @KossuJahvetti
      @KossuJahvetti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rikvanwesterveld thanks for confirming, I have "same looking" adapter on its way from Amazon, so I guess I will soon find out as well..

  • @mflo1970
    @mflo1970 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Obviamente si los mppt han reducido la carga por las condiciones de carga como puede ser la temperatura como no va a reducir el multiplus en ac coupling si se Dan las mismas circunstancias, forzar la carga a una batería es reducir su vida útil y si victron prioriza la vida de la bateria por encima de cualquier circunstancia no veo no dónde buscar el problema

  • @ertcom1
    @ertcom1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Andy. An excellent explanation. Do you happen to know if the MultiPlus does the same when in ESS mode?

    • @CaryWintle
      @CaryWintle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Multis can only do this when they're fully off-grid. When in an ESS system they're synchronised to the grid frequency and can't do any frequency shifting

  • @edwinbruckner4752
    @edwinbruckner4752 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a Victron ESS system with Enphase micro inverters, im not fully set-up yet ( guess nobody ever is, lol ) , but you can also set the maximum charging rate in the ESS settings, not in amps, but in watts. But it's the same idea.
    But a question to Andy, how fast do you normally charge ? I guess you are smart or knowledgeable enough to work with C-rate's ?
    So why ever mess with the charger settings ?

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ESS is so different to off-grid though. I have to be careful where the energy goes as it cannot overflow to the grid if I have too much.

  • @awesomusmaximus3766
    @awesomusmaximus3766 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do the Victron CC's talk to each other eg when one goes to float it tells the others to to the same

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is a master charge controller and the others follow it, so Andy only has to change settings on that one.

    • @awesomusmaximus3766
      @awesomusmaximus3766 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stefanvanzyl9090 Ok it's similar to my system

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, if they are all linked to the Victron Smart Network, they will synchronise charging. I made a video here: th-cam.com/video/fr_P3DPZT88/w-d-xo.html

    • @awesomusmaximus3766
      @awesomusmaximus3766 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OffGridGarageAustralia Cool

  • @AlexanderBelikov
    @AlexanderBelikov 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey Andy, happy holidays! I watched tons of your videos over my time off recently (powerwall playlist, some solar playlists, BMS videos, etc). Any ideas what music plays now in my head? No worries, music is as great as your videos! Thank you for sharing all great info, thank you for all your tests! It's very helpful and inspiring!

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hahaha, thanks for the feedback. Don't ask my about this music sticking in my head😂🎵

  • @einfachdermartin
    @einfachdermartin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The shifting should start at 80% It is one of the 1:1 rule.

  • @rofdrtv4034
    @rofdrtv4034 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is your AC Loads showing 0 watts with the frequency shift. I have a OffGrid sytem with Ac Coupled Inverters and it´s showing my PV Inverters are delivering to my AC Loads.
    Maybe your AC Meter for the PV Inverter is set to the wrong position in Venus OS. I´ve set it to AC Out.

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The microinverter does not communicate directly with the victron system, there is no external CT installed to measure the AC loads, so the only data comes from the CT inside the victron, which shows zero when frequency shifted

    • @rofdrtv4034
      @rofdrtv4034 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He installed an Shelly 1PM.
      That is measuring the PV inverters Power.
      When you go in the menu settings-> Energy meters -> Position then you can set it to AC input 1, AC Input2 or AC Output.
      When you don’t have an AC Meter it Simply doesn’t show an PV Inverter.
      He made an Video about it.
      Maybe he need to change/add the setting position in /data/dbus-shelly-1pm-pvinverter/config.ini to 1=AC output.
      Then I think the Venus OS should be able to calculate the AC Loads.

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, the Shelly is my CT for the micro inverter, and it shows the data in Victron. It is connected to AC-out and set as such in the system.
      If I limit the charge current, the micro inverters deliver only as much power as my current AC loads are. Hence the output of the Multiplus is 0W at this point.

  • @rozarijorodin
    @rozarijorodin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Andy...
    Maybe you should change your system to Deye...
    Because you are making many mess around your system...one 15\16kW LV Deye hybrid inverter will fix all your issues...
    That peace of keap "victron" is not worth my the money you pay for it...
    Give us some information on smart inverters with multiple options...try Deye and you will be surprise...
    Thanks...

    • @stefanvanzyl9090
      @stefanvanzyl9090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the 16kW deye is both more expensive and less efficient than the system Andy is running now. He will not be able to sell the victron kit for the price he paid, so all this will do is make his system return on investment take even longer.
      Then, the 16kW deye has a higher MPPT input voltage, meaning you need to run more panels in series, which makes the effects of shading from the trees even worse - making the system less efficient. Andy already said he will not cut down the trees because there is enough panels to fully charge the batteries when using low voltage MPPTs - putting in solar optimizers makes this even more expensive for little reward.
      The deye 16kW is AUS$6750, compared to less than $2000 for the multiplus... there's no sense paying more for a grid-tied hybrid inverter when all Andy needs is an Off-grid type unit.

  • @tujuprojects
    @tujuprojects 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My battery is 2 degrees celcius. Carage is freezing.

  • @derkoni87
    @derkoni87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interessant. Welchen PV Wechselrichter verwendest du?

    • @ludwigbrackmann1115
      @ludwigbrackmann1115 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glaube, er nutzt nen Mikrowechselrichter

    • @derkoni87
      @derkoni87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ludwigbrackmann1115 weißt du welchen? Würde mich interessieren, weil dieser WR scheinbar linear mit der Netzfrequenz drosselt. Viele WR schalten mehr oder weniger abrupt ab, wenn die Frequenz eine gewisse Schwelle überschreitet.

    • @Juergen_Miessmer
      @Juergen_Miessmer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​​@@derkoni87
      Andy hat einen Modulwechselrichter mit 2000W und 4 MPPTs.
      Es ist ein OEM Produkt gebaut von Deye. Wird vermutlich baugleich zum Original sein.

    • @derkoni87
      @derkoni87 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Juergen_Miessmer Danke. Ich habe den HMT 1800 von Hoymiles. Zwar habe ich die Victrons noch nicht in Betrieb, aber ich frage mich, ob der Hoymiles auch so schön linear die Leistung drosselt.

    • @ludwigbrackmann1115
      @ludwigbrackmann1115 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@derkoni87 leider nein. Müsstest Du mal in seinen Videos suchen.

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have single phase electricity in Australia like in US or 3 phase like in EU?

    • @olafschermann1592
      @olafschermann1592 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am asking because i have some 3 phase consumers like my tesla charger as well as my heat pump.

    • @kurtmiller7945
      @kurtmiller7945 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@olafschermann1592 He has 3phase in/on the house, but only using one phase.........but offgrid means offgrid....

    • @TheRonskiman
      @TheRonskiman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@kurtmiller7945can still have 3 phase off grid, just need suitable inverters, or in Victrons case three identical inverters configured correctly.

    • @jasondevine6014
      @jasondevine6014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aus is generally 230v 50hZ single phase. 3ph can be connected on a use by use case.

    • @OffGridGarageAustralia
      @OffGridGarageAustralia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All follows the European standard down here.

  • @cskeise
    @cskeise 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    💙👊😎

  • @dredre9484
    @dredre9484 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lol build a waterfall for your pool get a electric ride on lol

  • @cyberplebs6577
    @cyberplebs6577 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🐸🐸🐸

  • @kurtmiller7945
    @kurtmiller7945 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Number 9, number 9, number 9 ? (who know this song?) ......no, i´m number12......Mist😄

  • @Davi.b
    @Davi.b 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Andy. All i can say is . If you are confused. Imagine how the laymen is about this subject.
    It should be easy. Not 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.
    Hope your day is good

  • @opless
    @opless 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    First!!!

  • @PMEC_ENGINEERING
    @PMEC_ENGINEERING 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2nd

  • @mbr8981
    @mbr8981 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im @ v508 with my MPII in the EasySolar II

  • @IanNature7
    @IanNature7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🦦 cmon i know you like AcDc 😂🐬