I'm almost convinced all these companies have such a confusing naming convention just to trick the layman into paying high money for laptops with no good value
Planned obsolescence. Plastick trackpad, old CPU, terrible screen. Might as well give it bad hingest to end it's suffering. New laptop every year. I heard it creates some very loyal customers
"Pro" use to be those processors used in "Business or Workstation" laptops. I have one, "4750u Pro", basically the BIOS have some extra security features.
I think Pro in AMD CPU means used in Business. Non Pro is for general consumer. Btw, Strix Halo is meant for competing or AMD inspired by Apple's M series design
5:27 Lunar Lake's 140V iGPU is not the same as Arrow Lake-H's 140T iGPU. Lunar Lake uses Battlemage, or Xe2, whereas Arrow Lake-H uses Alchemist+, or Xe1+.
The "PRO" designation is a term AMD uses to refer to a line of business oriented processors that use their "PRO" technologies, which provide a level of security to prevent malicious software from causing more damage, they also claim 18 months of software stability, whatever that means.
Thanks for the comprehensive but still somewhat "simple" overview. Sad to see that the G14 2025 version still has options with the AMD Zen 4 architecture.
Here i thought that SaaS products were jumping on the AI bandwagon to entice product managers so they can pitch it to customers, never knew AMD was trying to entice product managers instead of gamers, people who play video games consider AI to be the biggest bloat and I hope these companies understand that in the first place.
AMDs Pros have features for IT-departments. IIRC they can remotely enforce BIOS updates, can block users from updating/changing BIOS themself or replacing parts with parts that could be corrupted.
One of my biggest complaints for the Qualcomm chip was that while it is designed to be budget friendly, it ended up being put into an expensive chassis like the zen book A14 bumping it’s starting price to 899. Wth…
Alot of form factors shrunk in size (thinner). Kinda sus tbh. Especially for those "premium thin/light" with CNC aluminum chassis. Thinner aluminum body will just make the surface temps like palm rest spot hotter and even more uncomfortable to use. Not to mention the fans will be screaming and more higher pitched than ever before. Change my mind
love to see some testing on the new amd based laptops that were introduced in ces 2025, mainly HP, Lenovo,. and Dell seem to be coming up with Intel based laptops
Honestly, for development purposes the Qualcomm chips have been very interesting ones. That unimpressive X1P-42-100 is matching previous gen chips like the 155H or the 7840HS/8845HS/260 (...come on AMD) for compiling tasks, yet sipping power ‒ much more so when I'm not doing that nor playing games, so I can just set it at the lowest tier. I can easily go for half a week with a 52Wh battery (Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5 14Q8X9, yes it's just a lower tier Yoga Slim 7x), very little to complain about other than EU pricing (999€ for 60Hz OLED+1TB+32GB, should be 799 instead). So perhaps the most basic X, with very similar specs, has a fighting chance.
You should rethink the Krackan Point vs Hawk Point placement A R7 8840HS might be more powerful than a Ryzen AI 7 350 since the 350 has Zen5C cores included
It was a bad idea to release/rename/refresh a CPU/GPU line every year! All that marketing bs not only confuse consumers but often end up biting them in the xxx when they underdeliver!
I hope the amd apu is used on some budget mashines. For those who want a laptop that can play trippleA games at low settings, maybe medium, it should be idral
I've given up understanding these inconsistent and downright dumb naming conventions. I understood them up until 2024 (mostly). But this is just too much even for the nerdiest among us.
i have to clarify something on Arrow Lake-U. Yes its nothing more than clock speed and memory speed bump over Meteor Lake-U but they achieved this by upgrading the process node of compute tile from Intel 4 to Intel 3, and i guess its worth mentioning since its not a simple refresh like Core 200 series a.k.a Raptor lake refresh. And i agree with you on 2025 cpu line-up from intel, its too much and confusing. Their new unified naming scheme somewhat help with that mess but its still not good enough. Intel need either release less products or somehow modify their naming scheme once again. Example: erase number from refresh product before: Intel Core 9 270H after: Intel Core 270H It will simplify the naming and give customers more hints that this is not a cpu with new architecture.
AMD's PRO processors ordinarily support corporate-focused remote manageability features, ECC memory, items of that sort (I haven't looked in these specific SKUs yet). In general they're a blend of Intel vPro and Xeon-like features. Also worth noting - Nvidia has been caught playing games with their announcements. For example they've changed how they measure "TOPS" between generations... Among other less-than-completely-honest claims.
@inamulbhuyan all your comments on this channel are for Qualcomm, clearly shows that you are promoting it for you're paid for it. But that is common for Indian trolls to just polarise everything seeing how unemployed the youth in our country are!
Good lord, what a confusing mess. Intel is using 4 different architectures for their laptop range. You have to wonder why they don't just drop Raptor Lake from the range entirely. Especially since Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake serves its niches better. At least the budget laptop space could be interesting. No more Zen 2 APU's and crappy Celeron processors.
Why these "Lakes"? How do they make sense? Why not just call them Gen 14 without the "Lake". Or if it must be "Lake", call them "14th Lake"... Just plain dumb!
I think the "lake" thing used to mostly just be Intel's internal naming scheme for each generation because chips really were named like you suggested. Core i7-7600k = 7th gen i7, etc. Recently I guess they realized that every other manufacturer was trying to make their naming schemes as incomprehensible as possible so they decided to start using the "Lake" thing in the marketing to differentiate between extremely similarly named products with vastly different performance, like the 200u and 200v series.
Just a casual gamer but I like to buy something nice for myself. Been thinking to get the Zephyrus G16 Intel 9 RTX 4080. Would I miss out a lot on the 5xxx?
I maybe just missed the time AMD wasn't naming their Processor as confused as Today. It just reminds me the 2 videos from "Techquickie" talked about mess and confused thing about USB and power plug 😂
Not even a month ago the Ryzen 7 8845hs was almost a top of the line processor and now the Ryzen AI 7 350, witch is better in everything, is meant to be used by students and for low power tasks, are you sure about that? I understood that Ryzen 9 8945hs/h --> Ryzen ai 9 370/365 Ryzen 7 8845hs/h --> Ryzen AI 7 350/360 (and so on) Fire Range will be covering what before was the Ryzen 9 8945hx and 8845hx and strix Halo is a new lineup that has cpu performance between the 370 and Fire range and 4060-4070 laptop gpu performance. Also I don't get why Intel core ultra 200h and hx basically have last year npu, not even trying to compete with amd, and nobody mentioned it, i get that now is kinda useless, but it coud turn out to be really helpfull is 2-3 years time, perhaps to be used by copilot or windows 12. Did I got things wrong?
We do not mean that, and i think 99% of viewers know that. We are comparing high performance CPUs like those used in high-end gaming as well as other use cases
Good enough except you guys are wrong for krackan point. That thing is an abomination with only 8 core GPU and only 4+4 core CPU. It won't beat hawk point except in single core and ai gimmick.
I'm almost convinced all these companies have such a confusing naming convention just to trick the layman into paying high money for laptops with no good value
That's exactly right
Either that or engineers named them.
Oh 100%.
Especially AMD
Planned obsolescence. Plastick trackpad, old CPU, terrible screen. Might as well give it bad hingest to end it's suffering. New laptop every year.
I heard it creates some very loyal customers
"Pro" use to be those processors used in "Business or Workstation" laptops. I have one, "4750u Pro", basically the BIOS have some extra security features.
I think Pro in AMD CPU means used in Business. Non Pro is for general consumer. Btw, Strix Halo is meant for competing or AMD inspired by Apple's M series design
5:27 Lunar Lake's 140V iGPU is not the same as Arrow Lake-H's 140T iGPU. Lunar Lake uses Battlemage, or Xe2, whereas Arrow Lake-H uses Alchemist+, or Xe1+.
I'm a prospect buyer, so LL > AW right?
@@FedJimSmith depends on what you're doing. If you want iGPU performance above all else, buy STX-H.
The "PRO" designation is a term AMD uses to refer to a line of business oriented processors that use their "PRO" technologies, which provide a level of security to prevent malicious software from causing more damage, they also claim 18 months of software stability, whatever that means.
Thanks for the comprehensive but still somewhat "simple" overview. Sad to see that the G14 2025 version still has options with the AMD Zen 4 architecture.
Thank you, this was so needed.
The graphics on cpu alone helps so much.
Needing to study quantum mechanics to understand the naming of these
Would love an integrated graphics comparison once you are able to test some of these
Very concise video, well explained. I am looking for something, but not top of the top of the range.
That CPU overview graphic is awsome thank you❤
Here i thought that SaaS products were jumping on the AI bandwagon to entice product managers so they can pitch it to customers, never knew AMD was trying to entice product managers instead of gamers, people who play video games consider AI to be the biggest bloat and I hope these companies understand that in the first place.
AMDs Pros have features for IT-departments. IIRC they can remotely enforce BIOS updates, can block users from updating/changing BIOS themself or replacing parts with parts that could be corrupted.
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That’s actually really helpful, thanks a lot
I really like the flowcharts for explaining the CPU naming schemes!
One of my biggest complaints for the Qualcomm chip was that while it is designed to be budget friendly, it ended up being put into an expensive chassis like the zen book A14 bumping it’s starting price to 899. Wth…
They will make sure that this video will become outdated by the next launch cycle
This was very informative. Thank you!
What a fucking mess. As has already been said by others - this starts to seem intentional, in order to trick/cheat buyers.
Alot of form factors shrunk in size (thinner). Kinda sus tbh. Especially for those "premium thin/light" with CNC aluminum chassis. Thinner aluminum body will just make the surface temps like palm rest spot hotter and even more uncomfortable to use. Not to mention the fans will be screaming and more higher pitched than ever before. Change my mind
When these laptops are actually available to buy for reasonable prices, AMD & Intel will have launched another entire generation of CPUs.
Pro in AMD CPUs have better security and is more "Business" oriented
AMD "Pro" is like Intel's "vPro", they support memory encryption and other advanced security features.
Does the Strix Halo cpus supposed to match m4 chips performance on battery or only while plugged?
love to see some testing on the new amd based laptops that were introduced in ces 2025, mainly HP, Lenovo,. and Dell seem to be coming up with Intel based laptops
josh i can feel ur aura just by looking at the pic in the thumbnail
the AMD 'Pro' moniker is for business laptops (think Intel vPro). It won't be on consumer variants iirc.
Honestly, for development purposes the Qualcomm chips have been very interesting ones. That unimpressive X1P-42-100 is matching previous gen chips like the 155H or the 7840HS/8845HS/260 (...come on AMD) for compiling tasks, yet sipping power ‒ much more so when I'm not doing that nor playing games, so I can just set it at the lowest tier. I can easily go for half a week with a 52Wh battery (Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5 14Q8X9, yes it's just a lower tier Yoga Slim 7x), very little to complain about other than EU pricing (999€ for 60Hz OLED+1TB+32GB, should be 799 instead). So perhaps the most basic X, with very similar specs, has a fighting chance.
You should rethink the Krackan Point vs Hawk Point placement
A R7 8840HS might be more powerful than a Ryzen AI 7 350 since the 350 has Zen5C cores included
I hope AMD keeps making their unified memory chips get better, so the macbook has a real competitor
maybe PRO chips are used in workstation laptops, e.g. thinkpads? i think it's the same with radeon pro graphics
Don't forget to play the video at 0.9x
I didn’t think she was talking too fast at all
It was a bad idea to release/rename/refresh a CPU/GPU line every year! All that marketing bs not only confuse consumers but often end up biting them in the xxx when they underdeliver!
I LOVE this lady clear voice and pronunciation!
Did Asus discontinue the Zephyrus M16 model or am I missing something?
Yes, it's merged with the g16
I hope the amd apu is used on some budget mashines. For those who want a laptop that can play trippleA games at low settings, maybe medium, it should be idral
hey josh could you create a video about the best laptops for ethical hackers and other related stuff
Totally a geeked out video
I needed this video sooo badly. Thank you so much for the great work!
the pro will be like vpro, lenovo sells a 7840u pro etc and 6850h pro etc its just gonna have enterprise features most people watching wont need
I've given up understanding these inconsistent and downright dumb naming conventions. I understood them up until 2024 (mostly). But this is just too much even for the nerdiest among us.
i have to clarify something on Arrow Lake-U. Yes its nothing more than clock speed and memory speed bump over Meteor Lake-U but they achieved this by upgrading the process node of compute tile from Intel 4 to Intel 3, and i guess its worth mentioning since its not a simple refresh like Core 200 series a.k.a Raptor lake refresh.
And i agree with you on 2025 cpu line-up from intel, its too much and confusing. Their new unified naming scheme somewhat help with that mess but its still not good enough. Intel need either release less products or somehow modify their naming scheme once again. Example:
erase number from refresh product
before: Intel Core 9 270H
after: Intel Core 270H
It will simplify the naming and give customers more hints that this is not a cpu with new architecture.
This is helpful thank you
"Saving the least exciting announcement for last..." whomp whomp, sorry Qualcomm
This was very helpful.
I have laptop with intel 13700H with rtx4060. Do we still need npu laptops ? I am confused with AI npu laptops.
You definitely do not. It's mostly a gimmick right now
@@JustJoshTech Thank you 😊
AMD's PRO processors ordinarily support corporate-focused remote manageability features, ECC memory, items of that sort (I haven't looked in these specific SKUs yet). In general they're a blend of Intel vPro and Xeon-like features. Also worth noting - Nvidia has been caught playing games with their announcements. For example they've changed how they measure "TOPS" between generations... Among other less-than-completely-honest claims.
The rtx 5090 laptop gpu is actually a 5080 desktop with 8 gb more vram
RIP to Intel and Qualcomm in advance.
Intel is doing good in laptops
Clearly you don't own a laptop with Qualcomm, and you have signed on to some corporation as a die-hard fan like you are watching a football game.
only intel rip..
Qualcomm bohut door jayega beta abhi to start kiya hai...
@inamulbhuyan all your comments on this channel are for Qualcomm, clearly shows that you are promoting it for you're paid for it.
But that is common for Indian trolls to just polarise everything seeing how unemployed the youth in our country are!
@abc_cba acha beta.. tu present dekh raha hai or mai future... intel x86 not future..future arm hai beta ..
Good lord, what a confusing mess. Intel is using 4 different architectures for their laptop range. You have to wonder why they don't just drop Raptor Lake from the range entirely. Especially since Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake serves its niches better.
At least the budget laptop space could be interesting. No more Zen 2 APU's and crappy Celeron processors.
Pro Max x3d Ultra IA
2025 in a nutshell
Why these "Lakes"? How do they make sense? Why not just call them Gen 14 without the "Lake". Or if it must be "Lake", call them "14th Lake"... Just plain dumb!
I think the "lake" thing used to mostly just be Intel's internal naming scheme for each generation because chips really were named like you suggested. Core i7-7600k = 7th gen i7, etc. Recently I guess they realized that every other manufacturer was trying to make their naming schemes as incomprehensible as possible so they decided to start using the "Lake" thing in the marketing to differentiate between extremely similarly named products with vastly different performance, like the 200u and 200v series.
zen4 hawk tuah point
Wish I thought of that
Just a casual gamer but I like to buy something nice for myself. Been thinking to get the Zephyrus G16 Intel 9 RTX 4080. Would I miss out a lot on the 5xxx?
yes wait for 5000 series
How casually are we talking about?
If you can get the 2024 version on sale, its still a great machine. Otherwise, just wait for the new gen, especially if you want more fake frames 😂
I maybe just missed the time AMD wasn't naming their Processor as confused as Today. It just reminds me the 2 videos from "Techquickie" talked about mess and confused thing about USB and power plug 😂
If I need to listen at half speed, then the explanation video doesn't work much...
Seems like a you issue since i can literally understand everything at 1x?
Nice video
this is the best explanation
Not even a month ago the Ryzen 7 8845hs was almost a top of the line processor and now the Ryzen AI 7 350, witch is better in everything, is meant to be used by students and for low power tasks, are you sure about that?
I understood that Ryzen 9 8945hs/h --> Ryzen ai 9 370/365
Ryzen 7 8845hs/h --> Ryzen AI 7 350/360 (and so on)
Fire Range will be covering what before was the Ryzen 9 8945hx and 8845hx and strix Halo is a new lineup that has cpu performance between the 370 and Fire range and 4060-4070 laptop gpu performance.
Also I don't get why Intel core ultra 200h and hx basically have last year npu, not even trying to compete with amd, and nobody mentioned it, i get that now is kinda useless, but it coud turn out to be really helpfull is 2-3 years time, perhaps to be used by copilot or windows 12.
Did I got things wrong?
Just bought the Lenovo 7i Aura with Lunar Lake and it's already pretty much outdated. 😅
It is a little outdated.
But from my understanding, the processor in 7i Aura holds its own.
So don't worry too much. It's a good laptop.
Snapdragon X ❤️ 🚀
Thanks, I understood nothing.
Oh well, you tried.
Thanks
Mustard.
Finaly laptops got intersting again. Next year with medusa and nvidia on the game have a dedicated pc is going to be irrelevant for most People
pick apple silicon not the windows stuff
Change the name of the channel already, this lady is not Josh
I would be interested compared to Apple tech.
AMD is notoriously terrible at naming things
m4 for high end gaming??? why do you mislead people, thats absolute nonsense
We do not mean that, and i think 99% of viewers know that. We are comparing high performance CPUs like those used in high-end gaming as well as other use cases
Like always, buy AMD
At this point, just buy a MacBook.
Why buy anything but Apple?
Wow
Good enough except you guys are wrong for krackan point. That thing is an abomination with only 8 core GPU and only 4+4 core CPU. It won't beat hawk point except in single core and ai gimmick.
Thanks. We will keep an eye on this in testing. It's a helpful comment
Am I the only one so disturbed by the thumbnail 🥲🥲, The logos are not centered or any kind of alignment, otherwise great video
We actually uncensored them so that they were readable