Not bad, I'm surprised at how well it worked. The 3050w load through the BMS is probably correct, but the output of the inverter will probably be about 10% lower. Glad to see the Muller BMS is working well too, I have been meaning to test mine, but I may need to pass it onto someone else as I don't think I will really have time. The jumpy current reading will be a result of the sampling rate of the meter and noise from the inverter. This is something Andy has shown a few times. There's no easy way to avoid it (at least with consumer grade equipment) and it makes measurements awkward. You'll find a purely resistive load like a fan heater, kettle or halogen lights (who has those now though) work well for testing loads. But what you ran is probably a better indicator of todays gear because most of what we use now has some sort of PWM type power control. The things you ran were mostly resistive, but if you run that heat gun and a light from the inverter, you'll see the light flickering (it'll happen at varying points in the temp and fan speed). I actually suspect the Kings and Renogy inverters are very similar inside. They share a lot of the same features and even the mains sockets are identical.
yeah my kings 3000w does a great job, my biggest problem is voltage sag from the agm batteries, you basically need 300ah of them before the sag isnt too bad next upgrade is lithium ive hit my inverter with well over 3500w load and it handled it, it was hooked up to 7 x 100ah agms and there was still really bad voltage sag ive run the welder off it.. it didnt care 2300 water pump with a startup curent of over 20 amps and it ran fine... for the money the thing just works
In regards to off grid systems in caravans/vehicles - seeming a live chassis from faulting appliance can kill you without a protective device, using a portable RCVO plugged into the 240v output will protect, but because there's no earth to ground, YOU will be it. This should cause the RCBO to trigger but ut could be too late.. If you installed an earth stake from inverter chasis it was have tripped without you in circuit. Just a friendly reminder to all that 240v is 240v, it's dangerous and without a protective device or ground you're dicing with death
cheers for the vid mate, what monitoring system are you using that goes to your phone? I was tossing up redarc redvision/bms but might not have the budget for it yet
The Muller Energy (Jaibada BMS) 250a version is the BMS which has a Bluetooth module connected to the BMS. The app is called xiaoxiang and it allows you to reset parameters in the BMS so you can customise how it works. Really handy bit of kit when you build the lithium battery yourself. Some other videos on my channel on how I built the battery
That’s how you test things, a smidge over 100%… how many ah is that battery and will the bms shut it down if the battery gets too hot? Keeps us up to date on the inverter if you plan to use it a lot.
The battery is self made 280ah eve lifepo4 battery, the cells themselves I damaged in a video made months ago, but have since brought them back to life. Swollen lifepo4 cell battery video on them. And yes the BMS has two thermal probes for low temp disconnect and high temp disconnect. The BMS is Muller Energy 250a BMS
@@WEEKENDER4X4 arh you have a good understanding of electrical and electronics, I’ve a basic understanding of 12v and less with electronics and being colourblind I don’t play around much with them so I rely on people who know what they’re talking about and user friendly plug and play gear. Watched a couple videos on connecting 2 or 3 batteries together to do an emergency welding repair if way out bush, good to know…
New to your site, what size battery did you have with the test. I have a 3000w inverter and looking to upgrade from AGM battery to 300ah Lithium to run Caravan Fridge and A/C at the most power draw at any one time. A/C would be only to cool van down, 2-3 hrs. Cheers Russ
Which Kings inverter should I get to pair with their 120Ah lifepo4 battery? The 1500w jobby? Also, do you know if a Bluetooth battery monitoring system I can use on my phone, like you are, for my battery?
3000VA Victron couldnt run our 2200W hoist, we figured based on calulation we would need around 3700VA but tried anyay as we already have the Victron inverter. I'm wondering if something as budget as this would likey do the job - your thoughts?
@chrisbaker4x4 I would say it's the in rush current required for the initial start of the hoist when under load. To combat this you can get "soft start" ebay parts installed in line which can make you able to run almost any bigger items. Also depends on the size of your battery bank? If it's not able to sustain the voltage the inverter will immediately cut out.
I must have got very unlucky, i got the 1500w version of the kings inverter and it ran a 140w load (yeah 140, not 1400) for 35 minutes and let the smoke out, and dripped capacitor electrolyte everywhere. Thankfully kings took it back and gave me a refund, but im glad the 3000w one you got seems to do the job ok.
Yea that's very unfortunate mate, I know their gear is hit and miss but at least 90% of the time you can take it back and get another one or store credit.
Good test. I have the same inverter in my caravan. Do your fans turn off. On my inverter, if the fans come on they never turn off until I turn the inverter off, even if the inverter sits with no load for 30 minutes. Is that normal for this inverter?
Quite honestly I thought they weren't going to turn off until they did around 5-6amps draw, so it may be that they have the temp turn on setting too low I think. But at least it's keeping it cool
I literally came to find this comment. I have had my kings 3000w for a day now and the fans havent stopped, ambient temp around 23 degrees and less than 20w idle load from a few appliances plugged in but turned off, and yeah its roaring. Unplugged the loads all together and the fans ran for about another 5 mins then turned off. I wonder if it can be adjusted somehow
Update, fans pretty much never stopped in the last 3 weeks and now theyve done a bearing or something, noisy as hell, just put in a warranty claim so hopefully they just swap it for a new one on the day.
@mrtee3988 yeah they swapped it under warranty, got one with a different batch number and it still has the same issue fans run anytime its over 25 degrees once theyve turned on, and i also recently picked up the 1500w version and its the same. Ive now modified both with a current activated relay, the 240v live goes through the ring, and i put a 300w load on it and then adjust so that the fans just turn on at 300w, then cut the fan positive wire and run that through the relay. So now my fans run when the load is over 300w and the temp sensor inside the inverter triggers them to turn on. Also, the 3000w has 3 fans, one internally on the main mosfet heatsink directly, and two at the back where the dc cables come in. Ive run those two through the relay and left the internal one alone. It triggers a fault if unplugged or fails and shuts the inverter down, the two main fans dont.
works how it should wow amazing
Not bad, I'm surprised at how well it worked.
The 3050w load through the BMS is probably correct, but the output of the inverter will probably be about 10% lower.
Glad to see the Muller BMS is working well too, I have been meaning to test mine, but I may need to pass it onto someone else as I don't think I will really have time.
The jumpy current reading will be a result of the sampling rate of the meter and noise from the inverter. This is something Andy has shown a few times. There's no easy way to avoid it (at least with consumer grade equipment) and it makes measurements awkward. You'll find a purely resistive load like a fan heater, kettle or halogen lights (who has those now though) work well for testing loads. But what you ran is probably a better indicator of todays gear because most of what we use now has some sort of PWM type power control. The things you ran were mostly resistive, but if you run that heat gun and a light from the inverter, you'll see the light flickering (it'll happen at varying points in the temp and fan speed).
I actually suspect the Kings and Renogy inverters are very similar inside. They share a lot of the same features and even the mains sockets are identical.
I do suspect the same thing hey, especially when you put the kings inverter under half load on heatgun
yeah my kings 3000w does a great job, my biggest problem is voltage sag from the agm batteries, you basically need 300ah of them before the sag isnt too bad
next upgrade is lithium
ive hit my inverter with well over 3500w load and it handled it, it was hooked up to 7 x 100ah agms and there was still really bad voltage sag
ive run the welder off it.. it didnt care
2300 water pump with a startup curent of over 20 amps and it ran fine... for the money the thing just works
Can't argue with the price of them to get the job done hey
Well done ❤️
Love you
In regards to off grid systems in caravans/vehicles - seeming a live chassis from faulting appliance can kill you without a protective device, using a portable RCVO plugged into the 240v output will protect, but because there's no earth to ground, YOU will be it. This should cause the RCBO to trigger but ut could be too late.. If you installed an earth stake from inverter chasis it was have tripped without you in circuit. Just a friendly reminder to all that 240v is 240v, it's dangerous and without a protective device or ground you're dicing with death
Absolutely 💯
cheers for the vid mate, what monitoring system are you using that goes to your phone? I was tossing up redarc redvision/bms but might not have the budget for it yet
The Muller Energy (Jaibada BMS) 250a version is the BMS which has a Bluetooth module connected to the BMS. The app is called xiaoxiang and it allows you to reset parameters in the BMS so you can customise how it works. Really handy bit of kit when you build the lithium battery yourself. Some other videos on my channel on how I built the battery
@@WEEKENDER4X4 cheers for the reply, might be too technical for me lol. thanks mate
Can you please show us how you made your "Soft Start" circuit that you used in this video with the blue and white wires
That's not a soft start curcuit, that's a BMS switch on or off discharge. It's on the Muller Energry 250a BMS of the lithium battery
Great video, can you please tell me why the breaker needs to be as close to the battery as possible?
If there is a short curcuit anywhere down the line the breaker will pop first instead of the wire catching fire
That’s how you test things, a smidge over 100%… how many ah is that battery and will the bms shut it down if the battery gets too hot? Keeps us up to date on the inverter if you plan to use it a lot.
The battery is self made 280ah eve lifepo4 battery, the cells themselves I damaged in a video made months ago, but have since brought them back to life. Swollen lifepo4 cell battery video on them.
And yes the BMS has two thermal probes for low temp disconnect and high temp disconnect. The BMS is Muller Energy 250a BMS
@@WEEKENDER4X4 arh you have a good understanding of electrical and electronics, I’ve a basic understanding of 12v and less with electronics and being colourblind I don’t play around much with them so I rely on people who know what they’re talking about and user friendly plug and play gear. Watched a couple videos on connecting 2 or 3 batteries together to do an emergency welding repair if way out bush, good to know…
What size of battery are you using?
You reckon that inverter can run the heater in the tent when you go winter camping?
Cheers
Easily. 280ah lithium
New to your site, what size battery did you have with the test. I have a 3000w inverter and looking to upgrade from AGM battery to 300ah Lithium to run Caravan Fridge and A/C at the most power draw at any one time. A/C would be only to cool van down, 2-3 hrs. Cheers Russ
Originally 280ah eve lithium battery I built 👍
I have the kings battery 115 AMP..with battery box
Do the cooling fans push cool air into the inverter ?
Or extract hot air ?
Push in
Does yours make a slight buzzing noise when turned on under no load?
None whatsoever
Which Kings inverter should I get to pair with their 120Ah lifepo4 battery? The 1500w jobby?
Also, do you know if a Bluetooth battery monitoring system I can use on my phone, like you are, for my battery?
Victron Energy shunt
And yes for a 120ah lithium battery you'll only be able to run a 1500w inverter comfortably
@@WEEKENDER4X4 thank you 🙏
I just ordered the smart shunt you mentioned for $128 (incl. delivery) from Springers Solar using their EOFY sale code. Bargain price.
@@mrdobalina3451 that's a fantastic price!
3000VA Victron couldnt run our 2200W hoist, we figured based on calulation we would need around 3700VA but tried anyay as we already have the Victron inverter. I'm wondering if something as budget as this would likey do the job - your thoughts?
@chrisbaker4x4 I would say it's the in rush current required for the initial start of the hoist when under load. To combat this you can get "soft start" ebay parts installed in line which can make you able to run almost any bigger items. Also depends on the size of your battery bank? If it's not able to sustain the voltage the inverter will immediately cut out.
@@chrisbaker4x4 www.ebay.com.au/itm/204350184872?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=lzlp9dizto6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=zX09QedLR1y&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS
@@WEEKENDER4X4 interesting thank you for pointing me in this direction. Battery is 2x Kings 100Ah LiFePO4 should be safe for this load.
Has anyone ever performed an EMI/RFI test on this unit, I found the recently tried Powertech 2KW inverter extremely noisy on HF.
Haven't done that mate would be very interested in seeing that aswell
I must have got very unlucky, i got the 1500w version of the kings inverter and it ran a 140w load (yeah 140, not 1400) for 35 minutes and let the smoke out, and dripped capacitor electrolyte everywhere. Thankfully kings took it back and gave me a refund, but im glad the 3000w one you got seems to do the job ok.
Yea that's very unfortunate mate, I know their gear is hit and miss but at least 90% of the time you can take it back and get another one or store credit.
Burning question I have been breaking my head with - does it need grounding?
Floating curcuits generally can't be grounded. If you want extra protection you can ground it.
Good test. I have the same inverter in my caravan.
Do your fans turn off.
On my inverter, if the fans come on they never turn off until I turn the inverter off, even if the inverter sits with no load for 30 minutes.
Is that normal for this inverter?
Quite honestly I thought they weren't going to turn off until they did around 5-6amps draw, so it may be that they have the temp turn on setting too low I think. But at least it's keeping it cool
I literally came to find this comment. I have had my kings 3000w for a day now and the fans havent stopped, ambient temp around 23 degrees and less than 20w idle load from a few appliances plugged in but turned off, and yeah its roaring. Unplugged the loads all together and the fans ran for about another 5 mins then turned off. I wonder if it can be adjusted somehow
Update, fans pretty much never stopped in the last 3 weeks and now theyve done a bearing or something, noisy as hell, just put in a warranty claim so hopefully they just swap it for a new one on the day.
@@lexicase8805 How'd you go?
@mrtee3988 yeah they swapped it under warranty, got one with a different batch number and it still has the same issue fans run anytime its over 25 degrees once theyve turned on, and i also recently picked up the 1500w version and its the same. Ive now modified both with a current activated relay, the 240v live goes through the ring, and i put a 300w load on it and then adjust so that the fans just turn on at 300w, then cut the fan positive wire and run that through the relay. So now my fans run when the load is over 300w and the temp sensor inside the inverter triggers them to turn on.
Also, the 3000w has 3 fans, one internally on the main mosfet heatsink directly, and two at the back where the dc cables come in. Ive run those two through the relay and left the internal one alone. It triggers a fault if unplugged or fails and shuts the inverter down, the two main fans dont.
Will this run a small microwave
Yes easily. Need good battery power that. PowerPaul does great batteries
BMS didnt even get to 50c! impressive
oh and then it got to 68 lol. Is that the battery temp or the bms temp?
@carlh2007 there's two thermistors and it was BMS
PowerPoints are upside down because China uses our PowerPoint, but upside down. So it means the inverter is Chinese made
I heard they do that in case something drops between the plug n socket it'll hit the earth and not active, who knows though.
@@mickwolf1077 That safety issue should be addressed by the pins having an insulating cover like the Uk plugs have
As @pmacgowan said. Purely safety if someone drops a conductive material onto the terminals. It's us who is wrong if gnd down!
Wasted my time.
not a chance in hell I’d touch anything with that name on it.
Some products definitely not.
not worth a reply
@@russellcox2496 you replied