Amanda Palmer on Creativity, Pain, and Art | The Tim Ferriss Show
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- "I'm just so fundamentally optimistic, and I barrel forth in life with this attitude that everything is going to be absolutely fine and go my way." - Amanda Palmer
Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) is a singer, songwriter, playwright, pianist, author, director, blogger, and ukulele enthusiast who simultaneously embraces and explodes traditional frameworks of music, theatre, and art. She first came to prominence as one half of the Boston-based punk cabaret duo The Dresden Dolls, earning global applause for their inventive songcraft and wide-ranging theatricality.
Palmer released her new solo piano album and accompanying book of photographs and essays, There Will Be No Intermission, on March 8, 2019, followed by a global tour. Recorded in late 2018 with grammy-winning Theatre Is Evil producer/engineer John Congleton at the helm, the album is a masterwork that includes life, death, abortion, and miscarriage among its tentpole themes.
Please enjoy!
Intro [00:00]
A favorite book tied to Amanda’s arrest outside an Adelaide Woolworths [00:15]
Her current book obsession, knowledge, understanding, compassion, and sleep [07:56]
Amanda's most personal project to date [13:20]
A metric for success [15:16]
How baring one’s pain and vulnerability can be a generous act [15:55]
“Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. This performance will last seven years.” [20:08]
Amanda’s mentor and mourning his passing [22:40]
Amanda takes us through her heartbreaking-and empowering-Christmas miscarriage. [33:53]
Why people-women, especially-should be encouraged to talk more openly about trauma, loss, and grief [44:55]
“What are you unwilling to feel?” Amanda’s early fear and current Achilles’ heel [47:09]
The first time Amanda remembers feeling not okay and a fear of feeling unbelieved [53:41]
The “tyrannical and destructive” myth of pain being necessary to the creative process [58:00]
Understanding and harnessing one’s pain to make it useful to others, the pain of childbirth and the pain of imminent danger, pain as a metaphor for our society [1:04:47]
What we risk pain becoming our primary motivator [1:10:19]
Risks of marginalizing others’ pain + shame-free pain for cultural cohesion [1:12:05]
What is the knock-on effect? [1:21:25]
How has moving to a fan-supported model changed Amanda and her art? [1:22:36]
How crowdfunding became Amanda’s ideal business model [1:27:58]
An incredible crowdfunding success story [1:29:26]
What Amanda especially likes about her community at Patreon [1:31:12]
How everyone wins with crowdfunding [1:33:41]
How you can support Amanda’s efforts and offerings in the Palmerverse. [1:36:05]
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Hands down, one of the best interviews I´ve ever watched. Thank you, Tim, for creating and holding the space for this conversation - a real, raw, human interaction. Thank you, Amanda, for being one of the most beautiful women I´ve ever come across. You´re such an inspiration! Much love to you both and keep on sharing your Soul. In it resides your Greatness.
Tim ferris is an amazing interviewer.........His content is so deep and soothing compared to the madness that's happening in TV....
I completely agreed with you. I enjoy his 2-hour podcast episodes way more than shorter form of media
Never heard of her before this interview, and paused the video several times to explore her music. I have never fallen in love so quickly and deeply with another human. I believe you, Amanda! Totally crying! Omg Judy Effing Blume?! Yes, this album is medicinal! 💐🌈💖THANK YOU!!!
Yes! She's absolutely one of my favourite artists these days. Her honesty, realness and vulnerability is extraordinary. Go see her live if you ever get the chance! And I absolutely recommend her book 'The Art of Asking' :-)
The only performance I ever saw of hers was a Dresden Dolls show. I never thought so much sound and complexity could come from just two people - her and an absolutely incredible drummer.
JUDY BLUME YES!!!!!
@@HeidiHindaChadwick Or google the Ted Talk, it's a good one!
She tends to have that effect on people. Welcome to the tribe
I love Tim Ferriss and his interviews where he often talks almost as much as his interviewees. His insights and experiences are always fascinating. But I am glad that he was mostly quiet and let Amanda talk her heart out. This was in credible interview/discussion. Thank you Tim. Thank you Amanda.
Yes! The key to being a good interviewer is being quiet!
Tim, you are such a rare and precious individual, to hold space for Amanda like that in a way that I have actually never seen a man do. Thank you for being you
💜And Amanda is just one in a billion. Both of you are beautiful bright lights in a world that desperately needs to be reminded what being fully human looks like right now. Thank you for bringing her on.
In an age where everything is so photoshopped, bearing our scars to one another does more than we can ever say. Seeing somebody that we esteem so highly in a vulnerable light gives us encouragement to love our own vulnerabilities.
It's one of the best gifts
She’s incredible. Thank you for introducing me to such a beautiful artist.
Wow! The most captivating interview I've ever listened to. This woman is a warrior. ❤
Brilliant interview! This is my first introduction to Amanda Palmer, but I love the raw honesty. Tim, thank you for continuing to share a variety of voices and viewpoints.
There will be no intermission is by far the most emotionally real record I've heard ever. I cry when I hear it. I feel when I hear it. She is at her peak with this one. Authentic and relatable for me. And I'm so thankful for her making it and having the balls to share it with the world.
This is the kind of conversations we need more of. Thank you so much for opening up and sharing your wisdom and fears.
Really enjoyed Amanda speaking her story. I was crying so much of the way through it as I’ve gone through so much of what she so eloquently talks about. Thanks for having her Tim, and love your channel. ❤️🥰🙌🏼
Thank you so much for this interview. Amanda Palmer is the most beautiful human being, amazing spirit!
Hands down, my favorite podcast of yours so far, Tim. Thank you.
Great and deep interview... Amanda knows how to present her pain and use it as part of the growth process personally and artistically.
the book she recommends- why we sleep by Matthew Walker, he did a great podcast on Joe Rogan where they go over a lot of the content of the book.
Thank you for letting us know, will listen to this.
Thank you
Very convenient
I stayed up late to finish watching this because I couldn't press pause! (I'll work on my sleep from tomorrow.) I aspire to be as brave in my art whatever form it might take. Also, the podcast sounds superb!
Visceral truths Amanda
thank you Tim for holding space
Goodness gracious. I didn't know of Amanda before this interview and her honesty is so empowering. She's such a gift to the world.
The quality of your interviews has even increased over the past few episodes, i do not know how that is even possible, but you make it happen.
Dresden Dolls was first concert I ever went to at 14! lol my girlfriend was REALLY into Amanda, the band Cat Power was there, it was in Boston and Amanda was sick but sang anyways lol and walked around the audience so cool.
Spectacular....ms. Palmer has a new supporter.
it was a rainy day, here in France near the border to Germany. The kids were sick, all 4 of them. We just went about our day. This was the perfect episode for such a day. Thank you so much Tim and Amanda. Bless you both.
Thank you Tim for bringing this beautiful person on your podcast. I still remember when I stumbled upon your podcast with Dr. Gabor Mate and
I had a feeling this is going to change me radically. I got that same feeling when I was listening to Amanda
These are the types of conversations we used to have in real life before we had to worry about lawyers, everything getting posted to the scourge that is social media and the other plague otherwise known as cancel culture. Ah, the good ole days. Well okay then, Amanda Fucking Palmer it is, the depth, the candor, the boldness, how refreshing. Amanda, I dont think you need to ever worry about not being believed my dear, conviction and credibility comes in all sorts of shapes and sizes. You've got this. Thank you, I enjoyed this show and many blessings to you both.
I’ve been on something of a journey of amazing interviews tonight: a number of different podcast episodes of The Good Life Project, including yours/Tim’s (...writing TH-cam comments that are both to and about the creator is weird) interview following the silent meditation retreat, then to your TED Interview podcast interview; over to TH-cam to watch your TED talk, followed by first your interview with Neil Gaiman and now this one with Amanda Palmer.
I’ve paused several times to read blog posts by the both of them about Anthony’s passing, and to watch Amanda’s performance of Hallelujah. I’ve experienced many waves of emotion this evening, and cried many tears.
I have no experience of pregnancy, nor of caring for or watching someone die; only experiencing the sudden death of my father 17 years ago at the age of 47; an age now only 10 years in my future (and hearing people talk of 40 as potentially the mid-way point in their lives brings the emotional impact of the shock of that back to land in a hefty way). Unlike Amanda’s wholehearted mourning for Anthony (which I agree is probably the best way to do it), I didn’t allow myself to feel that grief so completely, and actually dissociated so much that I have gaps in my memory about what happened and how I felt.
There are brief flashes: the clarity of the moment and whole process of finding out the news etched into my memory in some detail; the logistics of travelling back home from university (8 hours on the train), being inexplicably infuriated and resentful for no discernible reason at my wonderful then best friend who had traveled down with me, to the point I literally (regrettably) gave her the silent treatment for 2 days until she left; lashing out verbally at my mum and my aunt; the unreal moment when the funeral procession drove out of town to the crematorium, past the police station where my dad had worked for 20 years, and all of his coworkers, including those on duty who hadn’t been able to go to the funeral, were standing outside lining the road in salute; to the very hazy memories of the brief moments back at the house, which were the last time I saw or heard from any of my paternal family, for reasons I don’t understand, and that weren’t conveyed to me directly, or in any kind of clear way.
It’s confusing to look back on... but I think I subconsciously deferred chunks of the grief and the feeling because I just wasn’t capable of dealing with it at the time, having just started at university a few weeks before, grappling with then untreated depression and anxiety arising from ADHD and autism spectrum disorder, only diagnosed 13 years later.
So I have compassion for my past self, even though I might wish for things to have gone down differently, especially with my own behaviour.
This isn’t a neat and tidy comment with a clear message or point, but the very real emotions in this and aforementioned other interviews have resonated with me, and helped me access and experience some of my own. To paraphrase your 2017 podcast interview on The Good Life Project, I suppose I’m feeling emotionally very porous (and as someone with ASD I feel this in a sensory perception way most of the time, especially living in London!). So I just wanted to say thank you. ❤️
Emma Bailey Thank you for sharing your story. It affirms for me how powerfully it can affect us when we hear someone speak their truth it gives our truth to come out into the light. Be well.
Yes sometimes it just takes witnessing someone offering up true rawness like Amanda here to then access our own. And to look for a point is to then accidentally miss it because there isn't one. Great share, I hope you are thriving 💗
I will probably come back and watch this every few years for the rest of my life. Thank you both
I didn't realise I would learn and affirm so many thoughts and ideas about life
Thank you
"Not everybody gives the real answer." So true!
Tim, first time on your channel and how privileged I am to listen to your guest, Amanda Palmer, ThankYou,
This is the Jeanne d’Arc of the 21st century, the world needs so urgently! Thank you, Amanda! I also love your „the art of asking“ ted talk!!!
You are so right - the world needs people like her!
Yes! She so is :-)
Tim, Amanda, that was sooo good. Raw, real, tender, generous, deep, information packed, wow. I am appreciating you both so much right now. Thank you. Keep doing what you do.
Wow so many insights on life and reality.
Stay present and keep a positive perception and enjoy the journey of truth when listening and watching.
Thanks Amanda and Tim for your honesty and transparency, thanks for sharing this journey.
Love Amanda, absolutely loved this episode and the natural fluidity of it. Resonated so much with me! Thank you!
This is the kinds of conversations we should be having with each other without fear of judgement.... to be vulnerable & going through the pain is a way towards healing our pain.
Two of my favorite people having a real conversation. Yay!!! Yay!!! Yay!!!!
Thank you so much Tim, I love you Amanda. You are both a blessing
Why we sleep. Already in the queue as AudioBook. Thanks for adding value.
Amanda is so inspiring. It’s not really about Tim guys. She’s super genuine ❤
First time I'm actually just watching and enjoying the video format of TTFS. Practising presence, I guess. Love this.
This is one of the best interviews I've seen... ever?
Geez!! I am a huge fan of yours Tim, I have been following and listening to your podcasts since last year. And I would like you to know that I am grateful for this podcast! What a great talk! Amanda thanks for sharing with us your experiences!! I will definitely listen to your album!! Thank you guys, you both are great!!
Agree w Amanda's take on "Why we sleep". Matthew Walkers book is" beautifully readable" as she put it.
Never heard of her, but so glad to discover her. Lovely listening to her and your exchange was great.
This is the absolutely last person I would have imagined you interviewing for some reason but I'm so happy you did. You seem like you enjoyed it too!
God, this is wonderful. Thank you both so much.
Thank you Tim! Beautiful conversation. Beautiful guest.
Thanks to the both of you! All the best
Holy shit. Amanda Palmer is has become such an inspiration to me. I'm so wildly in love with her. I'm so thankful for her words.
Wow I'm SOOO glad you interviewed Amanda Palmer!
I saw you interview Neil last week, this was a happy surprise.
I've been a fan of Amanda / Dresden Dolls since I was 14.... 16 years ago! Grateful to have witnessed most of her career, saw her band perform their beautiful heart wrenching music in tiny clubs as a young teen, in college I even got to throw a party at her house in Boston as an experimental event producer. Neil was there too!
That's one of my neatest memories that was super nice to recall while listening to this.
Now I'm a fairly new professional visual artist, balancing on that tight rope between creativity and finance... trying to make the latter pull through for the former... this talk was so thirst quenching. THank you thank you thank you
This brought a tear at times. Such a beautiful energy and flow between you both. Its amazing that we are now in such an age where we can be as open as this and it is celebrated. A friend said to me once that 'talent is everywhere...but people who truly express their talents are rare'. I was listening to Jordan Peterson today who shared that not expressing who we are leaves a 'gap' in society.
So many of us are taught as children that we should sit in the corner and be quiet and that expressing ourselves is not as important as it is to fit in. But another quote I heard is that each person brings food to a buffett...but if you do not bring your 'share' then everybody else in the group misses out.
ps shared this video so many times and recently shared it with a female client and has literally changed her life...especially the quote about the 'lifting weights' :D amazing quote!
Thank you Tim and Amanda xx
I'm a big fan of Amanda's, thank you Tim for this and many other beautiful episodes!
How STUNNING. How good it feels to be dealt these ineffable truths with such clarity at the soul level, so eloquently, with such passion and com-passion. I've fallen so deeply in love 🤩 with Amanda and will no doubt be devouring her work with relish over the coming months! Thank you so much Tim for this excellent interview 💗
I heard this podcast today while driving across Nevada. WOW ... what an incredible interview. Thanks Tim & Amanda ... for taking me a such a deep and wondrous journey.
Matthew Walker - the author of the Why we sleep book did an incredible episode of the Joe Rogan Experience (it's podcast nr. 1109)
Love you Tim and Amanda!
yes yes yes yes! thank you tim for having such incredible and beautiful guests on your podcasts. compassionate inspiration amongst the mist of the dominant fearful youtube narrative
p.s. also loving the video element. faces and seeing peoples expressions is nice to look up to part way through my creative endeavours
(matthew walker should definitely be on the podcast too..)
I totally agree with you :-). Viva creative inspiration!
Thanks for sharing Tim.
When she talks about wanting to keep your pain as an artist because you think if you heal you will lose your creativity. I understand this as I too held on to my eating disorder even though it robbed me blind, because I thought I'd lose my go to quick happiness and my "unique quirk" and become boring. I think the problems in our lives find any reason to convince us to stay. It's not true at all there are so many other ways for me to derive pleasure out of life, and ways that are far more interesting than binge eating. I am so much more of everything good that I thought I would lose because I am willing to face and work on my problem.🔥💗
Thank you, Tim.
Tim Tim Keep the video podcast alive! Muchas Gracias!
Great conversation. Thank you both.
❤yes thank you both!
I'm so looking forward to this! Amanda Palmer has always struck me as kind, passionate, and intuitive. Her book The Art of Asking kinda lead the way to sustaining crowdfunding like Patreon!
It's a wonderful book!
haha sorry grandma!! 🤣😂🤣 no apologies needed! My thanks to you both for a GREAT interview.
this is amazing. it's so true no one tells us!!! thank you!!
I'm a long-time fan of you both and this is a profound and beautiful interview. Thank you for sharing this with us!
I love her so much and Tim asked great questions. 10/10! (Also, really nice to have a visual - beautiful backdrop!)
Love this channel. Good content. Thanks!
I’m reading “Why we sleep” as well. Best book I’ve read in ages.
this is awesome, thank you both!
One of three people I support on Patreon. Much Love.
Hi Tim. I just happened upon this interview tonight, and have to thank you for conducting and posting it. It touched many areas of my own personal life after some pretty 'awkward' times (to put it mildly hahah). It was great to hear and watch, very profound on a number of levels, perhaps especially artistically, of finding ways forward out of a mire of crap.
I'll have to check out your other works, it was a pleasure. Thanks again - Chris 'Stagger' Lloyd
Thank you 🙏🏽
Thank you for a small chunk of liberation.
Yes.
Great show. Enjoyed it!!!!
Amanda Palmer is awesome and the album rocks in a deep and beautiful way. I am also impressed with your interview skills, in asking question I did not even think about or realized how much I cared about the answers.
I'm leaning into learning what that feels like...to be supported by fans and able to provide what they want from me--my creativity.
Yep, Tim this lady is right on!! 11min in wow!!
What an amazing story at the beginning!!
I'm using this awesome interview for a philosophical essay on music, the intentions behind it and emotional and bodily effects!
Thanks for doing this and opening up like that
Over a year later, these stories from Amanda still stick with me so vividly. Returning, only to bookmark:
32:10 - on understanding life enough to let yourself feel grief
33:54 - the beginning of the deeply personal story of Amanda's miscarriage
40:00 - the story of giving birth to her miscarried baby
44:29 - the wisdom of the human body that no one teaches us
The trifecta of a creative's essence
She's magic. Pure and simple.
Beautiful interview, thank u for this, I cried and I learned.. thank you. I'm feeling alive :)
I started listening on iTunes and realised you had a TH-cam channel, so i continued at 1:39:32, cause I need to share this with my (adult) subscribers.
Thanks For Putting this together and Amanda for being so RAW, and such a Badass!
*Kinda weird seeing you talking lol*
She is like a deep cleanse for heart and soul.
I’ve been blessed with an amazing (yet simple) joyful, happy life that I’m very grateful for, but somehow I couldn’t avoid being brought to tears several times while listening to this on Spotify.
What an outstanding interview!
Superbissimo.
Omg, the obsession with somebody who hates you...I feel that so hard. I definitely have people I've fought with online, who I obsessively want to convince to accept me. I don't speak with her anymore, but she still plagues my thoughts all the time.
Wow she's so raw. Respect
I immediately knew this interview would be great
Sounds like the stories behind her music and talking about these stories is much more impactful that the music itself. So much personal emotion gets lost in the music and sound itself, that the consumer cannot understand until the musician chooses to talk about it...Her interviews are probably more impactful than the music itself.
Loved her tedtalk.
Now I wonder what life would be like moving through the world with "optimistic certainty" lol. Must be pretty great.
The Gabor podcast really rubbed off , that and the Burning Man tent help desk has turned you into the real deal Tim. This is one of the best you have done.
TIM. Thank you. I just found the long lost bad ass beautiful aunt I never had
Only came across her because I'm a fan of Neil. I love her unfiltered yet optimistic view on things. We are taught in depth about superficial things but really important things in life such as childbirth and death are very surface level. No one told me as a child or an adult the things that really happen when you give birth. I think we really need to educated people before they reach full adulthood more on the full process of childbirth and death and not leave out the uncomfortable details. I had to really harass my own mother to tell me the realities of giving birth. They always gloss over the uncomfortable bits but it's information I need to know. I think it's partially because they don't want to scare you off but frankly I don't want to discover a lot of these things in the moment. Also there is the process of death. My parents have experienced being there when people die many times yet I haven't a single clue what happens. Again this is something that will be coming up in my life yet it's like trying to get blood from a stone and I find myself having to go to the internet to get information. The death process should be taught in schools. It's a lot more important and relevant than king louis the whatever...
I don't want this to ever end! 😭