Turkey War With Greece: Would it Happen? Who Would Win?

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  • @wolfsblutgraumond7530
    @wolfsblutgraumond7530 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    as a turkish i think greek people are beautifull. they laugh, they are friendly, they have good food, very like my own people. i watch the wars in ukraine and gaza. i dont want this to happen to turkish or greek people. we have beautifull life in our countries. lets not destroy it.

    • @MOTUN
      @MOTUN วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yazık. Git de bak Yunanlar senin gibi mi düşünüyor. Bu kadar saf olma. Onlar için en iyi Türk ölü Türktür. Tatlı dillerine güler yüzlerine kanma

    • @rudolfohisena5701
      @rudolfohisena5701 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wolfsblutgraumond7530 unfortunately, many times you don’t choose a war, but war chooses you. No Turk invited European militaries to invade Anatolia, and certainly not the Greek military to the suburbs of Ankara. Remember, Turkey lost some 25% of its population defending their country. As the saying goes, if you want peace, prepare for war. There are many jackals in the neighborhood looking for weakness.

    • @paulmayson3129
      @paulmayson3129 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MOTUN
      Really? It is your Turkish President, Erdogan, who keeps spewing war threats on us the Greeks. In May 2022 he said that "Turkey will burry the Modern Byzantines", in September 2022 he said "Greece should calm down or we bomb Athens" and in November 2022 he said "Be careful or the crazy Turks will invade at night". And what did the Turks do to that prospect of war? They re-elected him in May 2023. Meanwhile, such war-statements in Greece from a Greek politician basically mean political suicide, their career would be over and nobody would be voting for them. Greece's military dogma is simple; we just want to maintain what we have.

    • @Glowgoddess450
      @Glowgoddess450 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MOTUNthat’s not true at all as a Greek. The Greeks don’t want war.

    • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΤΣΑΝΤΑΚΗΣ
      @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΤΣΑΝΤΑΚΗΣ 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@MOTUN Turks came to Greece and live here , and they are as all the other guests, You are so brainwashed that you dont know Ottoman history and the crimes against Greeks , I can write a book about them , The worst part is the joke Turkish identity which is a fake , DNA testing proved it , most are Kurds , Armenians , Greeks , Kirgizians and the 0,5 % are Turks = a fake nation even Erdogan is Greek (Lazos) that s why he changed his name and he doesnt reveal that his grandparents fought alongside Greeks against Attaturk . History is much more complicated that the one you are learned and with one conclusion the phrase you mentioned

  • @leonvlahakis2829
    @leonvlahakis2829 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Greece has been under rated so many times in the past & yet we are still here ..
    MOLON LAVE ..

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    An important factor that wasn't examined at all is the Middle East. Turkey has active war theaters in Iraq and Syria, and the Kurds there especially hate them. Internal instability could arise, and the large Kurdish populations in the Eastern parts of Turkey could rebel. Turkey would have to divert its forces to the East, giving Greece breathing room.

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    6:10 the Greeks weren't beaten, but betrayed. All of our former "Allies" changed sides and started supporting the Turks. The British ordered us to stay outside Ankara for a year, weakening by the day, while they were negotiating the oild fields of Mosul. Once they secured that, they helped Turkey kick the Greeks out

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    11:50 The Turks didn't fight against Greece in Cyprus, they only fought against the locals and a small volunteer force. Also, 20k people died, not just 3-5k

  • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΤΣΑΝΤΑΚΗΣ
    @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΤΣΑΝΤΑΚΗΣ 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    there is no guessing in wars , this is fundamental , Greeks wont be bullied by Turkey fully proven in all of our history that noone gets a nice time invading our territory . I am Greek so I know they ll pay such a heavy price they ll remember it for another 5 generations and they will ask for help again like they did during Greek massive winning in Minor Arsia

  • @dimitrioskoukouras2777
    @dimitrioskoukouras2777 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    a couple of things that you missed and if you research deeper you will understand that Turkey cannot invade Greece neither by land nor by sea. A) currently Greek air superiority is only going to grow bigger in the next 5 years. B) Greece can deploy all its navy in the Aegean sea where as Turkey's navy is not deployed in the area (only fractions of it), the rest needs to come out of the straits and eastern Mediterranean, and even then Greek navy has the upper hand since they know their sea way better then the Turks (in a narrow sea full of islands that is important factor especially when you have a few submarines lurking around). C) Turkey's superior numbers in land forces are not fully available, they cannot bring all the army to Greece since they will have problems from the other side with the Kurds, Syria and Cyprus, and even if they bring all of them, where do you thing 2000+ tanks from one side and 1000+ from the other side will fight? have you been in Evros borders? you can literally see the border of Bulgaria with Greece from the sea. You think they will squeeze 3000 tanks there to fight? that will be interesting!
    In other words, It is not a winnable war for neither side, it can be a week maximum of shootings and stuff but with no gains for neither side.
    Not to say that Greece has no ambitions of any gain, I mean in your video you say Greek army can take Istanbul? seriously? how? Even if the residents of Istanbul throw rock at them, they will never be able to enter the city of 20 million people, let along occupy it.

    • @FLORATOSOTHON
      @FLORATOSOTHON ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The million dollar question is not if Turkey can invade Greece or not, but how they will get out if they do. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @AzizKhan-zu4ef
    @AzizKhan-zu4ef 45 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Im Singaporean/Canadian, and i love both Turkish and Greek people. Hope there will never be any war between them.

  • @theodoros9428
    @theodoros9428 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Shallow analysis , will be huge mistake for Turkey to attack from the river
    It's easier to caprude some islands and to wait greek army to attack in Thrace

  • @Mauros-Lykos
    @Mauros-Lykos 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Late November 2024 and they are still coming 😂

  • @nikolaosmarkouizos4597
    @nikolaosmarkouizos4597 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    are you sure that if russian army goes to turkey they will go for help or instead they will occupie turkish lands?

  • @rudolfohisena5701
    @rudolfohisena5701 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The blue eyed general wasn’t born in Austria, he was born in today’s Greece.

  • @vassilisioannou5488
    @vassilisioannou5488 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    you analisis is very poor, that is what a majority of knowledgeable people would think but no, your not even close.

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Make a response video or analysis comment. I'd be interested to hear your take! 👍

    • @vassilisioannou5488
      @vassilisioannou5488 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @border_lore I'm not going to make a video but I will tell you two things, Greece is a mountainous country, if you've seen the movie 300 the Persians could only pass at thermopoly the nero passage, it's the same thing after the evros river there is only one passage and that is why the Turkish army would get massacerd there because Greece is there and waiting. Now for your second mistake Turkish can't take any Greek Island because the Greek army is there, Turkey does not have enough boats to transfer it's troops, the massive Greek army is waiting at the shore line. That's why you don't know anything and are assuming that Turkey will beat Greece but it is the opposite Greece have the upper hand that is why Turkey only do the barking.

    • @bockijo8256
      @bockijo8256 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He is right. If turkey would know that they will win for 100%, they would have already tried it!!!

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Interesting. Two things to consider. First, the Germans were able to break through Greek defenses in World War 2. Admittedly, their military was more advanced than the Greek forces of the time (and the Italians flanked them in a pincer maneuver), but it shows historical precedent that the choke points you mentioned may not be as iron clad, especially when confronted with a much larger force (which Turkey is). Second, there is a debate over the vulnerability of the Greek islands near Turkey's coastline. They would be difficult to reinforce if Turkey (with superior airpower and naval assets) focused there. This is setting aside specialized paratrooper forces and merchant navy.

    • @vassilisioannou5488
      @vassilisioannou5488 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @border_lore Firstly Greece did not have ammo to fight a second war with Germany it was not because the German army was more powerful like you think, Greek Army was experienced from the menny wars we had in the region like grecoTurkish war Balkan wars and that is why Greece retrited and lost. Second if you have 30 thousand Greek troops on an Island the invader would have to equal it or the have no chance of survival and I don't think Turkey can do that with 5 ships you think they can but that is what you think and paratroopers is a bad idea they are the easiest kills, Turkish navy have no chance in agean sea every Greek island is an aircraft carrier and lastly Greek airforce has the best pilots in Nato alience with modern aircraft like F16 block 72 or Rafale and soon F35 I don't think Turkey have a chance of survival with Greece, Turkish airforce have old F16 block 40. But it's ok my firend everyone learns, in war there are a lot of things that count that you have to see before going as history has shown in the past like the first allie victory in ww2 if you know.

  • @sasukegre
    @sasukegre 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Army numbers is the least important variable determining who would win. Take for example the difference in Air superiority that Greece has now over Turkey with the latest aircrafts it bought. This analysis is a very simplified one that does not do justice to the complexity of the power dynamics and the variety of drivers that would determine a possible end result towards either side.

  • @pantheon56
    @pantheon56 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Extremely shallow analysis without consideration of the HAF superior position!

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's fine if you disagree, but it's difficult to know if comments like these are genuine feedback or coming from a different place. If you and others could elaborate on what I may have missed, it would be appreciated. That way, I can improve future videos. Thanks

    • @Giannhs677
      @Giannhs677 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@border_lore Do your research bro, the only reason Turkey is not moving is because of the HAF superiority and they try to get eurofighters and upgrade theyr F16 to Vipers, but still nothing. The navy is almost the same with Turkey being a bit better, but the our islands are used for defense as well. The turkish army is superior because of its numbers, but its very hard to invade to invade Evros. The Greek military is designed for defense, not offence and that makes us have the upper hand in case of an attack. If we made a move on Turkey, then its a different story.

  • @antiochusacharnensis
    @antiochusacharnensis วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As you say in the starting of the video, Greece and Turkey was too many near to the total war in 1,987 and 1,996. This is truth. But, before a couple of years, us I remember, in a Greek television, ANT1, gived as a new, that in a report, after the Grecoturkish crisis of the 1,987 from the CIA, said that in a total war, Turkish army taken the rest of the Cyprus and the small island of the Castellorizo, but the Greek army in the same period, taken the East Thrace with Constantinople, Imbros and Tenedos. Is to interesting to see as an animation this report.-

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@antiochusacharnensis I'll check it out, thanks!

    • @omerackel2699
      @omerackel2699 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@border_lore this news is not true,The map was shaped according to where the army went.

    • @SG-tu7ge
      @SG-tu7ge วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a big lie. Wars are unpredictable.

    • @antiochusacharnensis
      @antiochusacharnensis 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@omerackel2699 Yes, is very true and if you want, I can to give you the link.-

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@antiochusacharnensisthere is no way greece to marching to EDIRNE let alone to ISTANBUL 😂

  • @atacanmadrali9385
    @atacanmadrali9385 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Turkiye is in NATO. Why this video is in the tendency of teaming her up with Russia and China :) Basically this war might be the end of NATO as well!

  • @GeoBBB123
    @GeoBBB123 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Nice graphics but a somewhat woeful analysis in parts.

  • @theo9952
    @theo9952 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Greece is not Syria.

  • @cems.1917
    @cems.1917 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Turkey military spending is about 40 billion dollar today.

  • @EliasGeorgiou-h7j
    @EliasGeorgiou-h7j 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    We greeks we are always not many,but centures we was fighting the biggest army's,we destroyed the ottomans and the Persian empire, turkey invade small island like cyprus,the time that in Cyprus was a civil war,but even so they have paid a big price,greeks fighting for freedom in any cost,we keep the door,so Europe and our civilization not to be banned from muslims tzihand,

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      What the heck are you GYPSY taking about greece wes 500 years TURKISH SLAVES

    • @sultanqutuz1382
      @sultanqutuz1382 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      oh please, it took all all the European powers to destroy the ottoman empire. 😅

    • @EliasGeorgiou-h7j
      @EliasGeorgiou-h7j 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@sultanqutuz1382 with serbia only,and the ottomans they have all the Muslims around the world and in balkan,you only make war with kurds and invade small island like Cyprus who has not army,and they have civil war the day you have invited and do genocide,your master of that,only people with ltd IQ they will believe you

    • @amperfekpleyrman5083
      @amperfekpleyrman5083 48 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      "we destroyed the ottomans" man you guys were slave for ottomans for 300 hundred years

  • @bockijo8256
    @bockijo8256 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can do in your country what you want! If the other side has a problem with this, it's their problem!

  • @veasnaphai8
    @veasnaphai8 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Greek civilization against one more time with the BARBARIANS. Thiftes of land and territories.

    • @engelsengels6334
      @engelsengels6334 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Calm down relax get rid of this Fascist idea peace is better.

    • @veasnaphai8
      @veasnaphai8 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @engelsengels6334 Turkey and peace ??. Nice jock.

  • @Tom-yz1rp
    @Tom-yz1rp วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Who would win?! Really? I didn't know that Greece was also NATO's second largest army and stronger than France, Germany or England 😂😂.....Within 30min the Turks would already take over Athens !

    • @EliasGeorgiou-h7j
      @EliasGeorgiou-h7j 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Dont be stingy,say 5 minutes 😊

    • @pantheon56
      @pantheon56 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ....then, you woke up!!!

    • @Tom-yz1rp
      @Tom-yz1rp 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@pantheon56 According to George Friedmann (founder of Stratford) "the Turks beat the German in an hour and the French if they showed up"! Where do we place Greece in this writing, we know that without France there would be no Greece so .......like your patriotism but we have to come to reality 🤷 leave you with this my man

    • @engelsengels6334
      @engelsengels6334 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Don’t take serious this kid I’m at turk to this teenager Living in another world.

  • @maxigenous
    @maxigenous 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rubbish content. 5 year old level depth and understanding about the subject.

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂

    • @maxigenous
      @maxigenous 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ I know your target audience is not really looking at issues in depth but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s horribly shallow analysis.

    • @border_lore
      @border_lore  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@maxigenous happy to engage in good faith discussion and you're welcome to disagree. Best

  • @elefteriospapadopoulos8117
    @elefteriospapadopoulos8117 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    in 1922 the allies betrayed us....turkey has 30 million Kurds who claim their own state....they can't enter the islands that's why they ask the stratos to leave there...they don't have the courage or the strength Greece is not Syria

    • @alexanderisg
      @alexanderisg 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      great point turkey only picks on small shithoel countries with no military

    • @alexanderisg
      @alexanderisg 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@devrimus that makes zero sense there aint no Turkish union the greeks have a better airforce and equal navy to turkey and syria combined but its hard to build up an army when you have 4 different terrorist organisations fighting daily in your country with a corrupt government and evil neighbours with corrupt governments like turkey Lebanon and some of Iraq

    • @LordVermis
      @LordVermis 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@devrimus Greece has the same military expenditure with Turkey Greece has better airforce and navy , Greece's Islands are all fortified to the teeth good luck trying to invade lets see how far you go.. Also 30million Kurds are just waiting for you to invade Greece lets see what happens. Army size doesn't mean shit in modern warfare.

    • @emregundogdu1233
      @emregundogdu1233 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      30 milyon değil 18 milyon

    • @Mali_58-n2c
      @Mali_58-n2c 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alexanderisg Yunanistan veya başkasıyla savaşmak gibi bir düşüncemiz yok ama bu olursa ne kadar güçlü olduğumuzu anlayacaklar. Türkiye 5. nesil uçaklar, yapay zekalı savaş araçları üretirken siz ne üretiyorsunuz? bizde "başkasının siki ile gerdeğe girilmez" diye bir laf var, siz Fransa ve ABD silahlarına güvenerek bize saldırmayı falan düşünmeyin çok zararlı çıkarsınız. siz Fransa'ya AB'ye ve ABD'ye güveniyorsunuz ve onlara %100 bağımlısınız ama onlar kazanandan tarafa oynarlar. o kazananında kim olacağını herkes tahmin edebilir. ABD sizi yüz üstü bırakırsa Fransa + Yunanistan ittifakı yeterli gelmeyebilir. Ruslarda Ukrayna'yı alırsa işiniz zor. Bence siz AB'den ve kalleş Fransızların ittifakından ayrılın ve bir referandum ile Türkiye'ye katılın geçmişte olduğu gibi. Yoksa ebediyen Fransa sizi bize karşı kullanır ve zararlı çıkan yine ve devamlı siz olursunuz geçmişte olduğu gibi!

  • @Georgia-io1pm
    @Georgia-io1pm 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What you think the 10 million Greeks and the 90 Turkey . I thinks you joking now .

    • @inek_123
      @inek_123 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The ummah is better too. Gives USA sanctions etc and be ummah😂😂😂or we dont need ummah, turkey alone or Istanbul alone is enough

    • @eliassolomou980
      @eliassolomou980 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Greeks were always outnumbered yet they slapped the ottomans many times.
      This time turkey will cease to exist

    • @bockijo8256
      @bockijo8256 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The size of the population doesn't matter anymore! Have a look at Ukraine against Russia!

  • @rudolfohisena5701
    @rudolfohisena5701 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Turkey won wars at its lowest point in its history, against an alliance of Italy, England, France Greece, and Armenia. I don’t think any member of this alliance would give another try.

    • @paulmayson3129
      @paulmayson3129 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      False. The French and the Italians were supplying arms to the Turks, as they did not want a strong Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean. So were the Soviets, hoping that Turkey would become a communist client-state of the USSR. The British had become hostile as well. The Greeks were defeated because despite their tactical advantage, they made terrible strategic choices (without which the war would have been won very easily) and the Armenians were backstabbed by the Soviets.

    • @rudolfohisena5701
      @rudolfohisena5701 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ fact check, both the French and Italian armies withdrew from the Turkish territories, when they realized the war was not going to be won against the magnificent Turkish General, Mustafa Kemal. Many times, it is better and wiser , to cut the losses and call it quits. What did the Greeks do, against all odds, double down, march towards Ankara. In a typical Balkan fashion. When it came to the Brits, they also chose the easy way out. With their tails between their legs, rushed out of the Ancient Greek Capitol city, Constantinople. Meanwhile, the blue eyed General, Mustafa Kemal liberated Istanbul without firing a shot.

    • @paulmayson3129
      @paulmayson3129 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rudolfohisena5701
      "the blue eyed General"
      Hitler, is that you???
      The deification of Kemal by modern Turks is gross. And so he would have thought as well.

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@paulmayson3129cipe Dreaming

    • @elenilepouri7253
      @elenilepouri7253 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rudolfohisena5701There were never French army except some small Italian troops in Kilikia and never fought with turks- only Greeks
      Stop propaganda of your militaristic state

  • @rudolfohisena5701
    @rudolfohisena5701 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Unfortunately, sometimes you don’t choose a war, but the war chooses you. No one invited the European militaries to come in and park in Turkey, and certainly not the Greek army to the suburbs of Ankara. Turkey lost some 25% of its population, between 1915 and 1922 defending their country. As the saying goes, if you want peace, prepare for war. There are many angry wild jackals in the neighborhood looking for weakness.