Actually got to meet Dorkin at a convention when I was 13. My boss (I was working in a comic book shop in Queens) was kind enough to invite me along so I could get my Milk and Cheese trade paperback signed. When I got to Dorkin’s table he was dealing with an irate collector who he’d beaten to the purchase of some collectible. Dorkin grabs my (admittedly pretty worn) Milk and Cheese and holds it up to the guy, interrupting him mid Eltingville style rant and says “You know why I like this kid? He bought this book to read it. He’s clearly read it several times. He didn’t buy it just to fucking have it.” The dude stomped off, Evan signed my book and apologized for the guy. Also bought a couple Action Girl comics from Sarah, who was just as nice. What a great couple.
@@hypsin0 The local shop at the time, if you were a kid who showed up regularly and seemed nice and was into comics, the owner would talk to your parents about a summer job. I technically started at age ten! Wage options were $3 cash an hour or $4 an hour in store credit 😂.
Moral of the story: There's a difference between being a fan (Jerry) and being a Bill. It honestly boils down to dont be a dick and have other things in ur life
The farther the story went along, the less I could believe that these guys correspond to real people. Maybe I just didn't have the ...pleasure of meeting people like those in the Eltingville Club.
The little flashback after the comic store incident hits deep when you realize they Eltinville club weren't always that toxic, obsessed, and embittered by their "geekness" to the point it overtook everything else in their lives. The were once innocent kids looking to share their passions with others. They were once just kids
this is what happens when people get possessive over hobbies, it is far from just a nerd culture thing. they go from just enjoying a thing to becoming highly elitist and bullying newcomers to the hobby to dissuade them from pursuing it further. in time they become a bitter old person who just sits around using every chance they get to start a sentence with "back in my day".
@@Mad_Possum that's the thing. Your statement implies they hold passion or genuine love for the object of their obsession, but as you see with Josh, they are possessive more in a selfish desire to have everything belong to them. People like Bill and Josh collect and buy just to say they own the thing they like rather than because they enjoy it
@@thehermit8618The worst and most ironic part is it's what causes comic shops to close. Nobody wants to bump elbows or associate with people like them. It's easier to buy online than it is to talk with an innocent comic clerk with these guys around while gambling if an item is in stock. Worse if the clerk is this elitist too. Online web forums embody this the most. Nerd culture is now a trendy market quirk people like for an aesthetic. Most people passionate about their hobby are either silent or as loud as these guys. So odd the duality of liking stuff that its just a spectrum.
@anglosaxiphone8246 I am lucky to have a LCS with pretty cool employees. I have never had a issue with them and never seen any creepy or sketchy behavior. Maybe marking some variant covers a bit too high
The shear irony Josh harassing the tv shopping network guy for not properly crediting Steve ditko but fucking forgetting the hyphen in Spider-Man is amazing. Dude was to busy trying to write fanfics in class when even his professor explained the most basic thing about Spider-Man
I wonder how the professor would have felt if Josh had said, "Oh, sorry." and then written in the hyphen. The moral of Eltingville would fall apart if the club's members acted the way real "angry fans" act. Which is noticeably less aggressively. At least that's what I see when I look at the content creators I watch.
I dunno if this was a conscious choice or you changed objectives as the video went on, but I LOVE how this video slowly morphed from a review of the comic to a full blown dramatic reading towards the end. It was so impactful going from hearing you talk about the antics of these gross nerds to being immersed in the complete and tragic decay of their friendship and the realization that they’re monsters.
@@noriyakigumble3011 in all fairness only Jerry realized his "friends" never really got him and never liked him. He was many times the butt of the joke or made to feel bad for his geeky area of interest even though fantasy and card games were no more silly than the rest of the club, comparatively speaking.
This video inspired me to do another readthrough of Eltingville! The panel that has always lived in my head rent-free for 9 years is the one in “Epilogue” where, after Jerry talks about his enduring passion for Magic and how it’s inspired him to make friends and travel, the other club members just brush it off with “yeah no, I could never get into Magic.” Its such an understated moment considering how the Club typically lay into media they don’t like with hyperbolic tirades. Instead, the scene highlights their inability to relate to someone else having a positive experience with a piece of media, and they’re utterly unable to channel the passion that Jerry is putting off and respond to it reciprocally, when it’s “polite” to give others room to enthuse in geek spaces. Instead, because Magic isn’t “their” fandom, they just pivot as quickly as they can to move back onto media properties that they, themselves, consume. In a series of over-the-top, rancid screaming matches, the utter disinterest in Jerry’s fandom is the most disrespectful moment in the whole thing.
Yeah, it felt like their egos literally prevented even the smallest bit of positivity. That they don't share in the joy of other fans or even people in general, all they know is toxicity. I can't tell if they felt "defeated" and it was their last weak attempt to channel their negativity, or if this weak bit of negativity was an attempt at positivity and they are so warped not arguing is like a compliment to them
I saw it more as the others being dismissive because they realized how good Jerry had it. The guy they used to bully all the time grew up to be more confident and healthy both physically and mentally. They knew how miserable they were and couldn't bare the thought of one of their friends actually turning out to be a decent man with good ambitions
@@HopeIsntDeadI also think it’s because of a genuineness to it. He isn’t bragging to make himself look better or talk himself up like the others. Jerry genuinely loves this job and is happy with the opportunities it gave him. He doesn’t need to hype himself up.
It’s crazy to see the stark contrast between the animated pilot and source material. Bill is much more sadistic to the point where it comes across as psychotic. Crazy part is people like this actually exist within some fandoms. Awesome video, man.
This is true. In fandoms with populations larger than that of some countries, you probably will get a few literally homicidal people. You'll probably get a few future presidents, rocket scientists, bank clerks, janitors and street performers, too.
As someone who actually considers The Eltingville Club a comfort, it brings me so much joy to see a indepth analysis video on the message behind it brings me tons of happiness. I don’t think many people understand that fandom culture can be traumatizing.
I respect but do not understand, on a personal level, fandom trauma. Back in the day, I remember every kid from every walk of life playing Star Wars on the playground and Halo at home. My younger cousins, both the girls and the boys, used to like me to play an orc in their imaginary adventures after the LOTR movies came out and enthralled us equally. And this trend of normal interpersonal relationships continued into adulthood for us regardless of whether or not we disliked this or that sequel. Is Fandom trauma common in other parts of the world?
@@iivin4233 I’m certain the experience is different for anyone, regardless of where you are. My perspective is of an American one, so I am not too familiar with how fandoms are like in other parts of the world, but considering human nature, I’m certain there is someone out there not of my country that has experienced some sort of trauma from fandom.
@@TheOneNerd1 "Dont need this crap." "Like your brothers." Both not taking time to learn about your kid and comparing. And explains why Gerald got better. His parents attacked the action and expressed their emotions. "Im dissapointed in you." Ie your action is whats wrong. While the rest attacked the person. Which when raising children isnt what you do.
@@TheOneNerd1 Bill's mom saying "Oh you blame me for the divorce, which is somehow my fault" contrasted with Josh's dad's abusive tirade are identical to how Josh/Bill treat typically each other. Josh sees his Dad in Bill, Bill sees his Mom in Josh. Josh's dad abusively lectures, Bill's mom whiningly deflects. Add some puberty to the mix and you get these two. As a trans person i also gotta say my interpretation is Bill hates being seen as so manly- it's just an unavoidable outlet to let off steam (no father, he's the default man of the house and more masculine than his deadbeat father which gives power and privilege but he STILL hates his life and isn't comfy or happy), which is why his comments seem the harshest (and honestly super jealous) towards women and ofc the transphobia making him sound like a chaser or deep in the closet. Josh's fear of homosexuality contrasted with his "feminine whining" means he's constantly trying to pad his lack of manhood otherwise nobody will find him attractive. I would even be open to the interpretation that Josh is LGBTQ as well. "Don't ugly chicks look in the mirror and get it?" "I know, right?" only makes sense to someone if they've considered the perspective of an ugly girl. In the trans community there's a saying: "If you aren't considering that you're a girl because you think you'd be an ugly girl, congrats, you already are a girl"
also funny coincidence but Bill is watching Agents of Shield in the hospital, a show who would later on adapt Inhumans and the Terrigen mist, which unlike the Mutants and their moment of awakening, is more like a literal TRANSITION. The character Raina goes through a whole phase of self hate directly after her transition. That whole arc also dealt with an insane cult leader who had a problem with change and openness, and a man with severe anger issues mentally stuck deep in the past. Couple seasons later there's another Inhuman obsessed with fire, who burns down the fireworks store he recently got a job at, and goes on a rant about how he hates being Inhuman and works with the authorities to see them die and wants to be the last to go. Methinks the AOS writers may be aware of Eltingville
The thing that always stuck with me about Eltingville Club is that it has the weirdest version of Cerebus Syndrome that I've ever seen. The mishaps the club get into and often cause just get more and more over the top, but... they also get less and less _funny._ It's like if an adult cartoon that's been on too long (like, say, Family Guy) had more and more ridiculous abuse of one character, but the psychological impact of the abuse was treated entirely seriously each time. Eventually you realize the comedy dropped out the bottom a long time ago and you're left watching a bunch of terrible people (and Jerry) who are dangers to themselves and others.
I got the impression from how Dorkin describes the series that it became that way because people weren’t “getting” it. He intended it as a condemnation of nerd culture, and yet nerds themselves were interpreting the early stuff as a celebration, so he made it more sad, more angry, more obvious that the Eltingville boys were ruining their lives
Yeah, getting into a fight at a comic store, beating each other senseless with fucking _props,_ and then _burning the place down_ sounds like something you'd see in an Adult Swim show. And yet, despite the absurd premise, it's treated completely seriously, and is depicted as the tipping point that finally destroys the Eltingville Club for good. I also saw another commenter point out the brief scene we saw with the original formation of the Eltingville Club, in which they already started to get into an argument, until *BILL* of all people was the voice of reason, reminding everyone that the Club is supposed to be about having fun. It's legitimately a really sad scene, since we already know the monster Bill would become. Out of all of them, Bill was the one who lost sight of the Club's original purpose the most, as he's devolved from being an over-enthusiastic fan into a toxic shitbag, who defines his entire life by his obsession, even though he doesn't even _like_ comic stuff anymore.
I feel like when a creative takes steps to "teach" their audience about whatever message they don't interpret themselves, they end up losing the plot and kind of tearing everything down to prove a point, hence Cerberus syndrome. If there's ever somehow an animated series, I hope they make the ending a lot less pessimistic and negative, while also acknowledging the previous story. They could even make fun of the whole superhero multiverse zeitgeist by referring to the comic run as an "alternate universe"
@kikrinman1450 sadly I think the pessimistic ending is a necessity Fandoms have become more and more toxic from all sides within recent years Go onto any social media platform and wait how long it takes for someone to say """woke""" or """-ist""". Eltingville is a warning against the worst of the worst in fandoms and to avoid being those kind of people like the plague
What really hurts about the final panel is how the group was about to get in an argument over the damn name yet bill is the one to stop it, clarifying how this club is supposed to be fun and then you see later on he forgot his own words. He forgot what the eltingville club was all about. Damn shame But I’m so glad that I finally found retrospectives on this amazing series and I’m so happy you dubbed the entire comic, you were great and I loved those little laughs at the backgrounds texts lol! Very good video!
Man Jerry is admirable for being able to turn out that well despite the Eltingville club. The trajectory of his life is pretty heroic in an everyman kind of way. In retrospect the bee-dee-bee-dee thing was probably a nervous tic to begin with. But despite being a socially awkward teen he managed to overcome it by applying himself and staying humble.
I think his parents have alot to do with it. Rather than blowing up and demanding that he change, his mom is just like "well, Im disappointed. You won't be seeing those trouble makers again."
I haven't watched The 40 Year Old Virgin in a while, but I remembered the point of the film being that the titular character was genuinely much more emotionally mature and sure of himself than the guys who were trying to 'help' him, who all revealed themselves to be shallow, depressed people who projected their insecurities onto a guy with social anxiety who ultimately found a loving partner by completely ignoring their advice. I know that they make a point of saying he sold his collection of toys via his partner's ebay shop and made a bunch of money for them to start a new life together, but everything he did that was inauthentic to himself was detrimental to his goal of losing his virginity and it was something he and his partner did in collaboration. She had an understanding of the material value of those possessions and helped to sell them for a good price and he had the motivation to let go of those things and invest in their shared future. He never gave up any passion for the things he liked, he just changed his relationship with them and the two of them combined their expertise into a successful business. It's possible that I've misremembered aspects of it, but I think that the point of the film was that he didn't need to change to be worthy of love, whereas the people 'coaching' him did. I fully believe that it was meant to be a subversion of the trope of turning an undesirable person into something more palatable. It's probably quite dated and I remember some homophobic subtext, but I don't think that the way you described it fits with my recollection at all.
The problem is the movie at every opportunity implies the main character is a virgin for being interested in his toys and nerdy things, and that he needs to "grow up", or basically no woman would ever want him. Any time his interests come up, it's at least to my memory, always a joke at his expense. When he sells his collectible toys, he very clearly doesn't want to, yet sells, again to my memory, literally all of them.
The other guys were very superficial and sexist while the MC was just some guy that was a bit socially awkward. The film had its heart and I think it's one of the better raunchcoms out there
Evan Dorkin actually gave an explanation on what happened to the group after the epilogue after someone asked him about it on Twitter. To sum it up: Jerry is still doing okay. His anxiety worsened, but he still plays at Magic: The Gathering Tournaments and is still with his girlfriend. Josh never becomes a writer for DC Comics and instead inherits his childhood home before eventually dying of a heart attack decades later. Pete becomes a registered sex offender after an incident with an underage fan and dies of an overdose at the age of 35. Bill never changes. He still lives with his mom, he still makes a living off of Ebay, and eventually dies alone, with the only people he had left in his life being some 4chan users who didn't even notice he was gone.
Sadly, it's what happens when you break away from those who are toxic. Sometimes, they just drown in it, and their life ends the way they live. At least Jerry will hopefully be able to put it behind him, have a family, and share what he truly loved with them.
That sounds pretty on the mark for these guys. The comic paints them in a much more “nerd-rage” light. It was kinda poking at the Incel topic, before folks really had a word for Incels.
Damn no wonder his writing wins awards. Look at 47:48 how he gives the game "Magic: The Gathering" thematic meaning as in your passion to stay in love with something while also feeling 100% authentic to a real conversation. Keeping the "Magic" alive. Something a lot of fans failed to keep or never really bothered to realize what was so special about it in the first place. His horrible friends couldn't even feel happy for him. Good stuff.
Also notice how, during his speech about his passion for Magic, we see his real eyes for the first time. And how, after having his passion be brushed off by his old friends, they go right back to the white dots.
I dont know if he wrote it like that on purpose, but I think its pretty telling that Jerry, who turned out the best, also had his parents have the most level headed response to the big incident. Not that I blame any of them for being angry and upset, its obviously a huge problem they literally destroyed, then burnt down a comic book store, but it does imply the kind of parenting theyve had. Especially Pete's dad who was completely unglued.
Same. About two years back I had a semi-similar reunion with my old friend group that this reminds me of. Not nearly as toxic so much as a reminder that we've all drifted away in very different ways that don't really mesh completely anymore. One of us is a dedicated family man (still works on his music but it's a secondary concern, still happy for him), one just kind of gave up on his dreams and settled for the first person to pick him back up after a major break up (was the heart of the group but never quite recovered from what happened), and the one we all miss was why we were there (most successful of us, brilliant, always kept in touch with us, passionate to a fault, had taken his own life). Meanwhile I look at myself and feel like I haven't changed beyond being less stupid and impulsive (still into the same stuff, never really amounted to much, very much lost in some ways while I've found answers in others). Parts of this series hit me hard but most of all make me so happy even at my most toxic my friends and I were never at this same level of pure terribleness.
The comic dubbing part was the best part! Evan Dorkin’s paneling can be amazing, but very hard to follow, this video made it so hilarious yet so digestible and understandable
Eltingville Club walked so Anime Club could run, but it barely got one step in before falling onto its face on some pavement AC is pretty watered down and safe. Just my opinion though
Bill is easily the worst of the entire cast. Whereas Jerry comes across as the voice of reason, Pete comes across as sarcastic but, level-headed and Josh comes across as weak, Bill is just a power-mad, sociopathic lunatic who only cares about his own status and his own personal interests while forcing his views upon everyone. Sad that there are people just like Bill in real life too. You also brought up a good point at the end where you ask "If you don't enjoy something any more, why keep supporting it?" and honestly, as sad as it is, for some people, their support for something is literally all that they have in this world. They feel they have nothing else to show an interest in, or someone else to relate to, so they become obsessive with what they consider their 'Only thing that makes them happy' instead of finding normal interest such as human interaction, social event like sports or holiday celebrations or just finding normal hobbies that can improve their wellbeing, so they become attached to these things either because they are too scared to venture out of their comfort zone, or they find no other connections to be made from it.
@@angrybronyit really makes me sad how he ended up. Though out the story he’s a trouble but passionate horror fan(and arguably a secondary character) he might have encouraged some bad behavior but I really feel like he was ever a “bad” person until the end where his character takes a 180 and becomes a sadastic freak.
@@CM-di1oz Sadly, being in a position he was in brings out the absolute worst in a lot of people who seem basically fine. It sucks because as short as it was, his little quip about "horror is about facing your fears" seems to have some actual weight behind it.
I have spent most of my life staying away from fandom and forums and such. Closest thing I get now is the Internet Wrestling Community and that's just cause Twitter keeps showing me all the bad takes and toxic fans.
@@TheOneNerd1 honestly it's the best I get to like things recommend them to my friends and not have randos on the Internet tell me I should "die" cause I like something they don't lol
@@3squl3t0nm0nth What is a "toxic fan" anyway? Sounds subjective to me. I hate what happened to Star Wars/Trek, Dr. Who, pretty much all mainstream comics and movies, and I blame the overly sensitive culture we have nowadays. Does that make me toxic?
@@funkyweapon1981 Well, how do you act around it? Do you spew hate whenever something you dislike happens? Do you hate on others that just enjoy things, while thinking your own enjoyments are superior?
Interesting that most of the boys had an out of being awful people. Jerry took it. Bill could have actually made a succesful comic sorting business if he just did his job. If Josh applied himself in those writing classes he really would have a small shot at becoming editor. Peter uh....peter basically got what he wanted and just seems be a dick. Unfortunately I suspect if Bill were a real person he'd probably be running a relatively popular anti woke youtube channel. One of the shorter lived ones though because he would definetly embarass himself fast.
I think Pete effectively lost his out of being a disgusting human being when he abandoned his love of classic horror for the new hardcore horror porn. It's very subtle but it's clear that his dad beat his love of the old school "baby" horror & while he did rebel against his dad it's clear he took a lot of his family's hyper macho sexist garbage with him. The adult Pete would never dream of passionately mourning the death of the genius of Peter Cushing or Bela Legosi as he did in his youth, in his own words he gave up all that stuff "to take up f*ckin". And honestly, my heart breaks for young Pete a little bit.
Wokeness is terrible & there's nothing wrong with hating the woke garbage that is being made now, the reason why they are terrible is not because they dislike stuff but how they react to it, make it their whole personalities & treat people especially their so called friends like garbage.
When Bill was too narcissistic, even Josh, supposedly the most arrogant one in the group, walked away with Jerry. That's when you knew how messed up he was.
The ending is just so sad to me, everyone blaming Jerry for their own misdeeds and then acknowledging that they treated him poorly.. just to use that against him. Heck, during the reunion they treated him poorly, knocking his love of magic the gathering, lashing out at him when he disagreed with them, blaming him for everything in the end, etc. Hell, don’t get me started on the treatment of Mandi. I’m just glad Jerry left them all. Like Bill is the worst but it’s clear Josh and Pete are no better. At the end of the issue before this, It’s sad to see their first meeting as the eltingville club when they were “innocent” and just wanted to have fun. :(
Let me do some comic book nerd overanalyzing, because I keep thinking about the "Spider-Man is hyphenated" line, I am obsessed with it, I know it's a throwaway gag but I think it's vital to the scene All of the monologues from each of the guys in the epilogue are fantastic, because they're all incredibly telling but none of the guys are self-aware enough to see it. I think the hyphen line is kind of a window into the fact that things aren't happening like Josh thinks they are. Without it, the panel just depicts Josh getting yelled at by his college professor. There's a few ways to interpret it - if you understand that all these people are terrible, you can guess that Josh probably wasn't taking his class seriously and the yelling was justified. But you could just as easily read it as Josh is right and the professor is in the wrong, which is how Josh sees it - the professor just doesn't understand the appeal of superhero comics and is a pretentious stuffy academic, while Josh was just following his passion, and one day he's gonna make it and show this professor they were wrong to doubt him. But you add the hyphen line - that's like, THE pretentious comic book nerd line. Outsiders always forget Spider-Man is hyphenated, and if you want to show them up you point out their mistake and laugh about your own obvious superiority, even though it's a pretty basic fact that even most casual comic fans know. We all know how that goes, it's a very Eltingville line. But since it's the professor saying it - the professor probably reads comics. They're at least familiar with Spider-Man enough to correct Josh about him. Josh is thinking "The fools!" as the person in the place of authority corrects him about something he was objectively wrong about - Josh is so obviously the fool in this situation, but he's still somehow constructing a narrative for himself that he's actually the smart one and he's too SMART for his class. But once you realize the professor actually does have some understanding of superhero comics, you can guess what really happened - it's not that Josh wrote about superheroes and this is "low art," it's that he wrote POORLY about superheroes. He sees writing as a way to validate his headcanons and OCs, not as a real art form. The professor is right, he doesn't belong there - he's not interested in learning from a writing class at all, he just wants to be blindly told that he's already a good writer. In the end, Josh did poorly in college because he's not humble enough to learn ANYTHING - fundamentally, NONE of them are (except for Jerry), and that's why they never matured (except for Jerry, absolute king)
I love the little hints we get from Mandi. I recognize them as someone with a partner who helped me with mental health stuff and overall life improvement. She's immediately wary of Bill meaning clearly Jerry has told plenty of stories of Bill being the worst one and she's so concerned Jerry has to say its alright several times. She stands up to Bill for herself and Jerry, so he doesn't make excuses, taking Bill's sexist nonsense and letting him reveal himself. But she is also honest with Jerry that what Bill said was hurtful even if she's ok. When sh*t starts going down she tries to calm Jerry with exercises they either learned together or that Jerry shared with her so she could help him practice. Then she gets one of the funniest lines with "Oh Jerry, your sh*tty little friend is dead." We love a Mandi.
I feel like Pete is the most sad future. Jerry turns out well because he was actually good, bill and Josh end up with a shit life became they suck, they decided to only continue their poor behavior. But Pete was just a kid passionate about horror, and after the comic store fire he was corrupted by his dad. Who drove him to bad community’s
@@CM-di1oz from what i recall, Pete wss always the most perverted out of the four, you could excuse it when they were younger by saying he was a teenage boy and those tend to be very horny, but the post timeskip leaves clear he was always gonna head that direction
I love how every adult member has terrible traits - and Jerry's most terrible trait is that he doesn't hold grudges. That's how much of a good guy he is.
The way they were talking about their current new positions while holding their Convention badges. Presenting their lives as a sort of "Badge of Honor".
I'm on the little fandom that has been forming since the trivia meme thing and damn, the end of the comics hurt, Even though I read them more times than I can remember, it fucking hurts dude
I noticed that a lot of what is criticized about the characters of The Eltingville Club is in part the just, complete consumerist mind poison these characters have. They seem to view buying and owning as like, the most important thing in their entire lives. Not even the actual media itself, but just the rush of buying things related to it.
The way it's aged is really funny and depressing. For around two decades Whedon was seen as some sort of god within nerd fandom only for it come out he was a gigantic creep. It's always been weird to me how some literally didn't see it coming despite how I saw red flags everywhere. As someone who was never into his work a ton (but did like,, Firefly being the big example of course) that he always found a way to shoehorn in "strong, attractive, special teen girl/young woman" into every single story he wrote and made it important to overall plot was questionable. Yeah it works great for Buffy, that being the point, but even his run on Astonishing X-Men (which I did like) was a little too insistent on making Kitty Pryde the center of it all despite her kind of irrelevance at the time.
@@Unquestionable I was born during Buffy’s run (98) and never really had family members into his stuff because they were older GenXers and not into modern nerd culture, so my first exposure to Joss was Avengers and Cabin in the Woods, even then as a 13 year old I thought the writing was very kiddy and almost exactly what my teenage friends would write. Then I saw Ultron and his weird Hulk/Widow ship and it wasn’t hard for me to start laughing at the guy. I was considering my gender at the time, wading through the politics this comic analyzes (especially in epilogue) and just starting to realize how utterly cringe he was. It was especially odd I think to a lot of Gen Z that older nerds clung to him when the allegations came out, like to younger nerds he maybe made three films most of my graduating high school class would recognize from watching at release. TLDR: Newer creators have been torn down for less before Whedon so it was no shock to young people
Your dubbing is so wonderful! I've been an still am a huge fan of TEC, it's so amazing to see all these new fans popping up, and to see all the new content showing up around. Love your videos by the way, you have such a nice editing style :}
Fiction is like wine for the soul. It has a nice taste and can dull the harshness of reality. To the point of even helping us forget it's cruelty for a moment or two. But to consume too much, to make it a part of your lifestyle to such a degree that defines you, will destroy you slowly as you lose your grip on reality. Until you make one foolish irreversible mistake caused by your inebriation. At which point you ruin your life.
Jerry dropping a Heliod reference in the last issue let me know he was really about that Magic shit. As a former wannabe grinder myself, the community will really change your life. Been in it for a long time and some of the people I met at tournaments or stores have become my best friends and mentors. The passion there is unmatched imo and infectious. Great vid man 👍
I feel like it may be important to note, that in the comic where bill becomes the store "owner" theres a "fake nerd girl" who enters the store. Bill said she actually seemed kind of cute, and that she couldn't be a fake nerd because she was wearing a harlequin shirt. Joe said that that was apart of her plan to get attention from them. I wonder if Joe never said this, would Bill have acted the same way as he did in the epilogue? And I feel like, in a way, that that interaction is proof that hate is learned. This series is so peak bro omg
Right! I like to think of that shows as well of him being much better than them. Because in that moment, he doesn’t think about how bad that was for him but how bad it was for her! At least that’s how I took it
Those panels were brutal. He didn’t knock the shit out of Bill when he went on his incel rant against his girlfriend, but it was so satisfying to see Gerry reach his breaking point when he thought back to Agnes. Because even if it was partially motivated as seeing her as the one that got away and realizing it was because Bill cockblocked him, it was still long overdue because she deserved better than how Bill treated her.
I really found these comics hilarious when they were in single issues. I bought the collected hardcover years later. By then I was a father in my 30s. Re reading these comics back to back was just depressing. I guess what was sort of a parody of fandom ended up being a little too on the nose. Not a parody but a an actual depiction. So many fans today are toxic and horrible people akin to the Eltingville characters. That there are grown men in their 40's spewing abuse on line over Star Wars re makes or whatever is just depressing. Especially when you consider that most of these franchises were initially geared towards kids. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years men in their 30's will be fighting over Paw Patrol remakes on their vr headsets.
This is the price we pay for a society in decline. People always try to tell me that the mouse utopia is somehow incorrect, yet it's playing out in human civilization as we speak. I remember when this kind of autismal rage was rare to see outside of the internet, but it's leaking, and that's gonna do some real damage to the birth rates.
Reminds me of the Right Wing Talk show station in GTA 4, back in 2008 you would be laughing your balls off at how crazy it is, in 2024 the depressing thought of, "There's people who would actually agree and listen to this guy." stays in your mind
@@dannydanny2789 Very true, especially considering the sort of people who buy that stuff for their kids are very much not what I would consider "open minded" most of the time. Which is also interesting as the kids, the target audience, would probably not even notice and just enjoy it for what they already do.
The last issue of the comic was great. Rather than giving each member some sort of fantastical epilogue where they're successful, instead each one (except for jerry) have their negativity reflect into their lives. What makes it crazy is that they could have turned around like Jerry but didn't cause they were too absorbed in their own toxicity.
U know josh saying that "conquering virus until i am in position to establish my so called shitty fan fiction as canon" That is modern entertainment these days....especially with comics and movies these days.
As someone who has been frequenting cons since 1999 or so it's definitely a reminder of how terrible some people can be. My thought was always that it's just cool to see someone so passionate and willing to put that out there for everyone to see.
The worst part about the 40 Year.Old virgin is what you said exactly. You dont have to be ashamed in liking something, and you dont have to be to get what you want. You dont have to give up anything either.
as an autistic afab growing up with unrestricted internet access i have dealt with people like this it’s funny seeing how things never changed in fandom i was bullied pretty bad back then for purely existing as a trans person in fandom mostly in the cod zombies community and the half-life community basically if it was manly they hated me i liked drawing ship art of barney and gordon and i was bullied for it a lot and made fun of for just talking about being hyperfixated on ravenholm of all things? idk some nerds are fucking weirdos but i’m glad i stuck around i’ve met the best friends i’ve ever had in the half-life community and another good memory i’ve had with fandom is having a good laugh rambling to some dorks (used affectionately) about batman in vr chat and surprising them since my player model was jervis tetch from arkham city i’m nonbinary but i haven’t had the opportunity to train my voice or go on hormones so i still have a high voice so these guys were like “this girl knows batman characters” and it was funny to me because of books and video games (look i was 12 years old when i really got into art it was totally bc of soul eater, creepypasta, warrior cats, and fnaf) i’ve become an artist and i love making fanart and coming up with my own stories and aus for things it’s sad that people like these can’t just have fun like this i wish people like this in real life really could just grow up and learn to have fun with the things they like a trans kid drawing gay ship art and black women cosplaying anime characters aren’t the things destroying fandoms
The leader’s name is William "Bill" Dickey And since this is in Staten Island this has to be a reference to the New York Yankees Hall of Fame catcher Bill Dickey Just a interesting reference I notice as I go through this fascinating Eltingville rabbit hole lol And funny enough on a side note the catcher who would replace Dickey on the Yankees would become one of the most recognizable and famous names in baseball history none other than Yogi Berra!
I am a Digimon fan and know the modern digivolution charts but holy shit a reference to adventure 1 before adventure 02 was astounding. And I was born when Tamers was on TV
I had never heard of this series before this video and I usually find the whole "comic books about comic book geeks" genre cringey as heck, but wow, this is something else. It's downright terrifying how accurate it still is. The only thing that feels dated is the absence of video games and anime, which are the communities with arguably the most of this kind of toxicity. If Eltingville were made today, I imagine all the boys would be gamers in addition to their main interests and Pete would be the anime guy since horror isn't really considered a geek thing anymore. It's probably a good thing the pilot wasnt pocked up. Even though it would be great for the story to go semi-mainstream in the post-gamergate world, it would most likely be toned down and without the boys being able to be as blatantly and viscerally awful as they are in the comics, I'm certain there would be people trying to identify with them positively (like they did with Rich Sanchez, Homelander, etc.)
@@jeremoople they’re also not very into comedy. Considering Dorkin grew up with MAD magazine I suppose he sees that as a positive outlet. Now that I think about it Jerry appreciates the camp of things like Buck Rogers so that’s the closest I can think of.
It’s nice to see a video surface on Eltingville, this comic and the pilot have been such a huge coping mechanism for me and a lot of other people within the fandom. It’s such a shame it didn’t get picked up for a series but maybe in another universe, the fandom is what keeps it alive though and I think it’s cool to see people being dedicated to such a short series. ❤ Thanks for making this video, you have a really pleasant narrating voice
An hour long video discussing the Eltingville Club? Count me in! Had to wait until i finished the video to actually comment, but already halfway through theres so many interesting things to point out, needless to say, great work editing, researching and of course dubbing chunks of the comic. I've been looking for more creators discussing the comics, since sure, the pilot is awesome, but folks missing out on Evan Dorkins art and stories is a shame. I'm totally impressed by the gruesome way he draws his characters. Anyways, seriously, amazing work. More people should check out your channel, you have a great voice and narrating style that kept me hooked during the whole vid, also thanks for pointing out the interesting bits of references hidden in the comic, like the title of the zombie story thingy. It's cool to know!
The ending really is powerful, even though the trio admit they think the remake of Basket Case will be bad they still say their going to see it, it shows that they’re still choosing to fester in negativity and rage.
The problem is, that ending is not true to life. Not only are very few riots and violent fist fights caused by "toxic fans" in real life, but generally, "toxic fans" don't consume the things they hate. These new sequels and reboots haven't been making as much money. Some end up canceled. In a few cases, the sexually violent and deviant people are in the *casts* of these films rather than the fandoms. And, their merch doesn't sell well, either. Instead, toxic fans prefer to watch their favorite toxic youtubers who they feel give them a voice. Their money, they spend on stream donations and youtuber merch. All the while, alongside their favorite toxic youtubers the the toxic fans laugh at the silly circus that legacy media companies present them. Together they remember and lovingly praise the old media they like. Nobody fights over Kenners. The first time I heard about Kenner was on the History Channel.
I remember reading eltingville when I was younger and immediately becoming disgusted by all my nerd merch and hobbies. The epilologue was the coupe de grace. Great series.
The comment of the happy meal toys hits close. Last month, we got the sanrio x yugioh crossover here in Mexico. People that I had message groups with sent pictures of trays upon trays of uncollected food in Mcdonalds because fans wanted playsets of the collection. They even started selling them at the equivalent of 10 dollars a pop in the secondary market, due to shortage created by them. It was wild
In my area they're doing Hello Kitty x (dressed up as) Yu-Gi-Oh cards and maybe characters. i think I remember seeing a Hello Kitty Teiya and thinking "Wonder how expensive it's rarity is". TCG collection competing with Kawaii Collectors has to be some cutthroat marketing.
There's something deeply uncomfortable about Bill's final rant. It feels very *real*, the type of thing you're certain to find buried in some decades old forum post or Twitter account.
Dude this video is incredible I hope you gain more popularity cause your content is so good. I just want to say that when you said “time is a flat circle” you were right because this comic has me relating to it. I’m 16 years old and have experienced or heard about the things the eltingvile club has done and thank god i am no longer in those situations or groups who act like that. But I can’t help but think if I didn’t decided to change if I would’ve ended up like bill.
Thank you for the dramatic readings that made my day! I love the audio effects like the megaphone THAT was great! You honestly have a knack for this, hope you do more. I remember enjoying this pilot when it first aired on Adult Swim back in the day, and every so often a TH-cam video like this reminds me that it was a comic. I didn't know that he was still doing this comic during the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This comic went really over the top and extreme more than I could have imagined, but a good cautionary tale for sure. Fantastic video man!
Watching this reminded me of when I went to go to a trading card convention. I was excited because the artist of one of my favorite cards was there. I had the man sign the card, and as I was walking away, some dude came barreling behind me and threw the same card down for him to sign. I was at a table later looking at cards to buy when the person who had ran up behind me earlier was in a massive arguement with the table owner over the fact that even though the card was signed, it was considered damaged and the guy with the card was just not letting it go. Security had to escort him out. Its just a wild experience
I mean i don't blamd them, hearing the last comic be fully voice made how horrible josh pete and bill are sink in, it kind of hurts my heart but it at least distinguishes those who are there soley because of the pilot and those who read some of the comics, and besides i guess kids have the right to have their fun
I remember reading this comics and hating, I hated the main character (except Jerry) hating how twisted they see comic and others thing, and how miserable and pointless they were. Now I see this as a warning if bad people with nothing to them use this medium for they're own view or just doesn't see them as fun thing to talked and share.
My favorite line is definitely "Woah, shit! X-Men pasta!" It immediately takes me back to when the 2011 Captain America movie came out and I asked my mom to take Dunkin Donuts so I could the commemorative cups.
You can make a community out of any shared interest, but I think modern life has made making friends more and more difficult, which ends up in people with not very many social mores clustering together and making their identities out of a combination of "being the smart kid" and a list of grievances a mile long. It used to be, you'd have a healthier variety of friends due to simple proximity, which meant you could help each other improve as people, but especially since the internet, it's easier than ever to find a ton of identical people and crash your neuroses together.
The way their parents talk to them impacted me a lot. As if they were all pushed into social isolation and anti-social behaviors out of the expectation that everyone acts like their parents do. And the fear of being treated like that from everyone else. I'm lucky to have grown up with a good family. But shit, I barely know anyone with a happy nuclear family. How many assholes were just unloved, lonely kids?
@@alexandredesouza3692 dude. They BURNED down a store. The harshest one feels to be Josh because it sounds a lot like emotional manipulation but it could just be pent up frustration over seeing what their son is turning into but holding unto the idea its just a phase and it will one day blow over; everyone else sounds rightfully disappointed and upset. The one that stands out to me the most is Bill wherein her mom essentially blames herself for not raising him right and believes his antisocial behavior may have something to dp with the fact she and his dad aren't together anymore and as she spills her guts to her son, Bill just wants her to shut up so he can go back to his TV show
@thehermit8618 I'm not saying the parents have no right to be angry. But the way they say it implies it wasn't a just a heat of the moment thing. Like, Josh didn't mean to give his mother a heart attack and he certainly didn't want it. Of all the things he'd done, an honest mistake which he's been grieving for is the one he gets chastised for the most. And Pete's Dad saying "Why couldn't you be like your brothers" kind of implies he was already the black sheep of the family. Jerry's mom was pretty mild, but also rather distant and formal. Like, she's appointing a different time to talk about this more seriously. As if she's too busy to properly scold her son right there. And Bill looks at his parents as if he's heard it a million times and just doesn't care anymore. Tl;Dr aside from Bill, it's one thing to scold your children, it's another to do so while preying on their insecurities.
@@alexandredesouza3692 the comment about Pete is actually very frequent in houses with siblings. It doesnt mean he's the black sheep, it usually just means his big brothers set an example he is not following; which seeing as its implied they dont get in trouble as badly and as often as Pete does its a perfectly reasonable remark to make, if a little harsh As for Jerry i interpreted it more like her mother didnt want to discuss her grievances with her son and set up an approrpiate punihsment without his dad also being present. She didnt sound aloof, she sounded stern and serious but was moving the proper scolding for another time when her husband returns from his trip and they can do it together as parents Of course Bill doesn't care, he burned an entire comic book store; its clear Bill is not psychologically stable when he doesnt even feel remorse for almost killing himself and his friends
What I find sad about The Intervention is that the two interventionists could have made a breakthrough and changed Bill for the better if they actually got to the root of his problems. At one point they ask Bill if he gets bullied at school, which causes him to lash out and break down crying. The interventionists could have asked Bill when he thinks his classmates started hating him or something similar, but instead they immediately used Bill's weakness as a way to continue preaching about giving up your nerdy hobbies, which lead to Bill going back to tormenting his captors. At the same time, it makes sense that the interventionists wouldn't try and dig deeper into Bill's issues. They aren't psychologists. They're just a couple of former-basement dwelling nerds who grew out of their love of pop culture and believe that the only way to be happy is for others to do the same.
I actually got around the ring this comic last year and it was one insane ride, a great one at that. Honestly Jerry is living his best life when he wasn't with them anymore.
I just watched the pilot in the adult swim box set thought it was funny when I showed a friend he was like geez they just keep making up questions I was like no those are all real facts and trivia just delivered by 2 top of the atheism Reddit board nerds
Rewatching that scene it's always amused me that I knew the answer to like 90% of the questions. A ton of them are interesting in how they've aged as some have become more common knowledge due to reboots and a constantly growing fandom.
Great video! I think the comic perfectly shows a lot of issues with the comic community. I will say what I found interesting about the end is that most of the club, while still acting childish, hateful and having violent outbursts, were all somewhat successful and doing well in their respective careers. Except for Bill who ends up the most bitter and pathetic of the group and is off far worse than the rest Jerry gets into being a pro magic player, Josh has a career writing for different comic book websites and Pete works on a film crew. While they all have their faults they manage to at least work for themselves to make their careers work, except for Bill who ruins his own chances for success everytime he gets close to doing well. Such as with his cleaning business As I said, Josh and Pete both have their own issues but they still wound up better than Bill who is so self absorbed and hateful he ends up with nothing in the end but his own bitter hatred and selling things online
I did not tune into this video with the expectation of comic dubs, much less an entire dub of an entire (and very important) comic in the series. This was very educational and very entertaining. I think I learned more about _The Eltingville Club_ from this video than most people know. Thank you very much for going to all this trouble - it was worth it!
It kinda reminds me of Ego from Ratatouille, where he was told he hated food, but he loves it. He loves food SO much that he’ll criticize anyone that doesn’t hold measure to his ideal of food. It’s the same thing for nerdom, where we love our things that give us joy and fun SO much that we hate anything that doesn’t reach that impossibly high bar that is set in each of our minds.
"Wokeness from both sides" Nerd culture is cucked beyond redemption. Corporations will suck the soul out of everything people enjoy, repackage it for a "modern audience," and people will still say both sides bad. You've brought this upon yourselves.
@TheOneNerd1 Are these grifters in the room with us right now? What differentiates who is a "grifter" and who is a group of guys angry that a soulless corpo butchered the MMORPG they play together? Is the difference even meaningful when the corporation will continue to do it regardless?
I think this might be the first video of yours I've seen and I loved it. Really gave me some perspective and the dubbing was really well done in my opinion.
It's such a shame Welcome to Eltingville never got past the pilot. Dorkin had such a knack for adapting the comic and expanding on the cast, as well as diluting the rancid toxicity of the main four without losing what made them who they were (not to mention the stupendous voice acting). Even tho they were still belligerent know-it-alls there was something there that almost felt like the show's ending might have been less miserable for some of them.
This is one of those comics that are so very important but damn is it hard to read through. Can’t do it in one sitting. These guys throughout the whole series are just so so unpleasant. But I love dorkin for doing this and to keep his finger on trigger. One of my fav panels is the unamed comic girl going into the store to buy some Saga and scared away by guys hanging in the store. Small scene in a series of big in your face moments.
This is the first of your videos i have found, and ive never heard of this comic or the pilot it spawned before now, but i have go say that what you made here is extremely meaningful and insightful and you have gained a subscriber this day. Im going to look up this comic and read it for myself later, as i resonate with themes. Hell a similar thought process happened with me just a couple years ago that finally let grow up and enjoy the things i enjoy. Namely the sonic the Hedgehog franchise. So many old guard fans like me hating on the new stuff. The games, comics, movies and shows. I avoided it all for a while until i finally figurednid check it out and well, i love it. Especially the new IDW comic series. Now i collect every issue as the trade paperbacks come out (i literally decided on the trades instead of individual issues not to save mkney but because they are more durable and re-readable) just so i can enjoy skme of my favorite new stories while reminiscing on the old. Its fun. Being a fan is fun, if you allow it to be. It sucks that there are soo many nerd jerks in the world like Bill and the others. I used to know my own group of them. But hey. As long as we keep trying to do better, we can be. As a whole. Thank you for making this video. Im going to start binge listening your others now while im at work. I hope you have a wonderful day and foreseeable future!
this cartoon lived rent free in my head for over 10 years with me never remembering what the show was UNTIL this guy on X was showing up earlier this year that looked just like Josh.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. So you telling me that Anime Club series of comics that KC Greene did was a hommage to this? Because I see WAY too many fucking parallels between those series, from characters to attitude. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but I get the feeling KC read this comic.
Thank you, thank you thank you I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video about the eltingvilleclub in detail and I really did enjoy the part where you comic dub the comic for the eltingvilleclub 10 out of 10
I have to say, I very much enjoyed the comic dub. I like the telephone effects for "As Seen On TV" a lot, but I also think the dubbing just kind of helped me enjoy the final comic a bit more and it felt a bit more immersive.
"Maid for Geeks" sounds like a much better name for Bill's business than Pristine Mint. Moving on, I remembered I was gonna buy an Eltingville compilation after watching the pilot, but Amazon basically previewed the whole thing online. No ads to sift through!
Remember the original pilot back when it aired but never looked into the actual comics so really appreciate this deeper look. I was, suppose I still am to an extent, big into pretty much the entire "nerd culture" from the era that inspired this and while there have definitely been interactions with some hardcore shit tier fans I've been lucky enough to never come across it a ton. There is a lot of nostalgia in me for a time when a lot of things like comics, games, and the like weren't as main stream but I also temper that by remembering all the horrible parts too. It used to be a gigantic pain in the ass to track down thing, even if it was popular in the fandom, and being judged on a whim by "normies" because you're passionate about your hobbies. Not to mention being an adult and having disposable income puts things in a much broader perspective. I still visit my local comic shop, been going since 1998, and the owner is one of the nicest guys I've known. My mom knew him as a customer at her work, a near by bank, so come Christmas or my birthday she would go to him for recommendations and he never steered her wrong. Back in the mid 2000s I moved across the country for school and the local comic shops were way closer to the Eltingville Club than I would like to recall. The owner was a weird mix of arrogant and welcoming, always ready with solid news and recommendations but also asshole comments when you didn't agree with his opinions. The workers were garbage, constantly rotating from being fired for stealing or ignoring customers to indulge in arguments like if Spider-man could take on The Runaways solo.
All the parody’s and references, instance chaos tied to different genres, so many things they could have done with this show but they never allowed it to cook. I actually love this pilot. It always gave me peace growing up whenever I saw it. I’m happy it’s finally getting some recognition especially the comic it was based on. Maybe one day we will get the proper nerd culture filled Mission Hill x Regular Show this had the potential to be.
Actually got to meet Dorkin at a convention when I was 13. My boss (I was working in a comic book shop in Queens) was kind enough to invite me along so I could get my Milk and Cheese trade paperback signed. When I got to Dorkin’s table he was dealing with an irate collector who he’d beaten to the purchase of some collectible. Dorkin grabs my (admittedly pretty worn) Milk and Cheese and holds it up to the guy, interrupting him mid Eltingville style rant and says “You know why I like this kid? He bought this book to read it. He’s clearly read it several times. He didn’t buy it just to fucking have it.” The dude stomped off, Evan signed my book and apologized for the guy. Also bought a couple Action Girl comics from Sarah, who was just as nice. What a great couple.
Oh man that must have been pretty Awsome!!!
You were working at the age of 13?
@@hypsin0 You’ve never heard of summer jobs?
"God bless the USA" @@hypsin0
@@hypsin0 The local shop at the time, if you were a kid who showed up regularly and seemed nice and was into comics, the owner would talk to your parents about a summer job. I technically started at age ten! Wage options were $3 cash an hour or $4 an hour in store credit 😂.
Moral of the story: There's a difference between being a fan (Jerry) and being a Bill. It honestly boils down to dont be a dick and have other things in ur life
The farther the story went along, the less I could believe that these guys correspond to real people. Maybe I just didn't have the ...pleasure of meeting people like those in the Eltingville Club.
@@iivin4233 Unfortunately I have. People like this do Unfortunately exist
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One doesn’t have to look far on the internet to see the types who are like Bill, especially those with huge platforms on the web.
Captain Obvious over here🙄
@@davisthegamelordWorst case scenario, they turn into Chris-Chan.
The little flashback after the comic store incident hits deep when you realize they Eltinville club weren't always that toxic, obsessed, and embittered by their "geekness" to the point it overtook everything else in their lives. The were once innocent kids looking to share their passions with others. They were once just kids
And still are
this is what happens when people get possessive over hobbies, it is far from just a nerd culture thing. they go from just enjoying a thing to becoming highly elitist and bullying newcomers to the hobby to dissuade them from pursuing it further.
in time they become a bitter old person who just sits around using every chance they get to start a sentence with "back in my day".
@@Mad_Possum that's the thing. Your statement implies they hold passion or genuine love for the object of their obsession, but as you see with Josh, they are possessive more in a selfish desire to have everything belong to them.
People like Bill and Josh collect and buy just to say they own the thing they like rather than because they enjoy it
@@thehermit8618The worst and most ironic part is it's what causes comic shops to close. Nobody wants to bump elbows or associate with people like them. It's easier to buy online than it is to talk with an innocent comic clerk with these guys around while gambling if an item is in stock. Worse if the clerk is this elitist too. Online web forums embody this the most.
Nerd culture is now a trendy market quirk people like for an aesthetic. Most people passionate about their hobby are either silent or as loud as these guys. So odd the duality of liking stuff that its just a spectrum.
@anglosaxiphone8246 I am lucky to have a LCS with pretty cool employees. I have never had a issue with them and never seen any creepy or sketchy behavior. Maybe marking some variant covers a bit too high
The shear irony Josh harassing the tv shopping network guy for not properly crediting Steve ditko but fucking forgetting the hyphen in Spider-Man is amazing. Dude was to busy trying to write fanfics in class when even his professor explained the most basic thing about Spider-Man
I wonder how the professor would have felt if Josh had said, "Oh, sorry." and then written in the hyphen.
The moral of Eltingville would fall apart if the club's members acted the way real "angry fans" act. Which is noticeably less aggressively. At least that's what I see when I look at the content creators I watch.
@@iivin4233 They DO act like 'real angry fans' though
@@iivin4233 @ClowncoreisCool is unfortunately correct. I've seen them, and they're sickeningly negative. Like, really badly negative people.
I dunno if this was a conscious choice or you changed objectives as the video went on, but I LOVE how this video slowly morphed from a review of the comic to a full blown dramatic reading towards the end. It was so impactful going from hearing you talk about the antics of these gross nerds to being immersed in the complete and tragic decay of their friendship and the realization that they’re monsters.
@@noriyakigumble3011 in all fairness only Jerry realized his "friends" never really got him and never liked him. He was many times the butt of the joke or made to feel bad for his geeky area of interest even though fantasy and card games were no more silly than the rest of the club, comparatively speaking.
This video inspired me to do another readthrough of Eltingville! The panel that has always lived in my head rent-free for 9 years is the one in “Epilogue” where, after Jerry talks about his enduring passion for Magic and how it’s inspired him to make friends and travel, the other club members just brush it off with “yeah no, I could never get into Magic.”
Its such an understated moment considering how the Club typically lay into media they don’t like with hyperbolic tirades. Instead, the scene highlights their inability to relate to someone else having a positive experience with a piece of media, and they’re utterly unable to channel the passion that Jerry is putting off and respond to it reciprocally, when it’s “polite” to give others room to enthuse in geek spaces. Instead, because Magic isn’t “their” fandom, they just pivot as quickly as they can to move back onto media properties that they, themselves, consume.
In a series of over-the-top, rancid screaming matches, the utter disinterest in Jerry’s fandom is the most disrespectful moment in the whole thing.
Yeah, it felt like their egos literally prevented even the smallest bit of positivity. That they don't share in the joy of other fans or even people in general, all they know is toxicity.
I can't tell if they felt "defeated" and it was their last weak attempt to channel their negativity, or if this weak bit of negativity was an attempt at positivity and they are so warped not arguing is like a compliment to them
I saw it more as the others being dismissive because they realized how good Jerry had it. The guy they used to bully all the time grew up to be more confident and healthy both physically and mentally. They knew how miserable they were and couldn't bare the thought of one of their friends actually turning out to be a decent man with good ambitions
@@HopeIsntDeadI also think it’s because of a genuineness to it. He isn’t bragging to make himself look better or talk himself up like the others. Jerry genuinely loves this job and is happy with the opportunities it gave him. He doesn’t need to hype himself up.
@@SpaceySodaPop I'm just glad that Jerry had a good ending. He deserves it
It’s crazy to see the stark contrast between the animated pilot and source material. Bill is much more sadistic to the point where it comes across as psychotic. Crazy part is people like this actually exist within some fandoms.
Awesome video, man.
Hell I just dealt with one in the Rockstar community, fucker was stalking my account because I dare to call Rockstar a greedy cheapskate company
Reminds me of Beta Woody from Toy Story, being more Evil and Sadistic than the Final Cut.
correction: people like this exist in ALL fandoms, some fandoms just hide them/deal with them better than others.
This is true. In fandoms with populations larger than that of some countries, you probably will get a few literally homicidal people. You'll probably get a few future presidents, rocket scientists, bank clerks, janitors and street performers, too.
As someone who actually considers The Eltingville Club a comfort, it brings me so much joy to see a indepth analysis video on the message behind it brings me tons of happiness.
I don’t think many people understand that fandom culture can be traumatizing.
I respect but do not understand, on a personal level, fandom trauma. Back in the day, I remember every kid from every walk of life playing Star Wars on the playground and Halo at home.
My younger cousins, both the girls and the boys, used to like me to play an orc in their imaginary adventures after the LOTR movies came out and enthralled us equally.
And this trend of normal interpersonal relationships continued into adulthood for us regardless of whether or not we disliked this or that sequel.
Is Fandom trauma common in other parts of the world?
@@iivin4233 I’m certain the experience is different for anyone, regardless of where you are. My perspective is of an American one, so I am not too familiar with how fandoms are like in other parts of the world, but considering human nature, I’m certain there is someone out there not of my country that has experienced some sort of trauma from fandom.
While they are basically all horrible. Its interesting seeing their parents responses. Gives a bit of "Oh thats why you turned out that way."
Pete especially makes a lot of sense
@@TheOneNerd1 "Dont need this crap." "Like your brothers." Both not taking time to learn about your kid and comparing. And explains why Gerald got better. His parents attacked the action and expressed their emotions. "Im dissapointed in you." Ie your action is whats wrong. While the rest attacked the person. Which when raising children isnt what you do.
@@TheOneNerd1 Bill's mom saying "Oh you blame me for the divorce, which is somehow my fault" contrasted with Josh's dad's abusive tirade are identical to how Josh/Bill treat typically each other. Josh sees his Dad in Bill, Bill sees his Mom in Josh. Josh's dad abusively lectures, Bill's mom whiningly deflects. Add some puberty to the mix and you get these two. As a trans person i also gotta say my interpretation is Bill hates being seen as so manly- it's just an unavoidable outlet to let off steam (no father, he's the default man of the house and more masculine than his deadbeat father which gives power and privilege but he STILL hates his life and isn't comfy or happy), which is why his comments seem the harshest (and honestly super jealous) towards women and ofc the transphobia making him sound like a chaser or deep in the closet. Josh's fear of homosexuality contrasted with his "feminine whining" means he's constantly trying to pad his lack of manhood otherwise nobody will find him attractive. I would even be open to the interpretation that Josh is LGBTQ as well. "Don't ugly chicks look in the mirror and get it?" "I know, right?" only makes sense to someone if they've considered the perspective of an ugly girl. In the trans community there's a saying: "If you aren't considering that you're a girl because you think you'd be an ugly girl, congrats, you already are a girl"
also funny coincidence but Bill is watching Agents of Shield in the hospital, a show who would later on adapt Inhumans and the Terrigen mist, which unlike the Mutants and their moment of awakening, is more like a literal TRANSITION. The character Raina goes through a whole phase of self hate directly after her transition. That whole arc also dealt with an insane cult leader who had a problem with change and openness, and a man with severe anger issues mentally stuck deep in the past. Couple seasons later there's another Inhuman obsessed with fire, who burns down the fireworks store he recently got a job at, and goes on a rant about how he hates being Inhuman and works with the authorities to see them die and wants to be the last to go. Methinks the AOS writers may be aware of Eltingville
@@KBzDvSt You pushing your sexual fantasies on the comic characters shows exactly what Dorking had issues with.
The thing that always stuck with me about Eltingville Club is that it has the weirdest version of Cerebus Syndrome that I've ever seen. The mishaps the club get into and often cause just get more and more over the top, but... they also get less and less _funny._ It's like if an adult cartoon that's been on too long (like, say, Family Guy) had more and more ridiculous abuse of one character, but the psychological impact of the abuse was treated entirely seriously each time.
Eventually you realize the comedy dropped out the bottom a long time ago and you're left watching a bunch of terrible people (and Jerry) who are dangers to themselves and others.
I got the impression from how Dorkin describes the series that it became that way because people weren’t “getting” it. He intended it as a condemnation of nerd culture, and yet nerds themselves were interpreting the early stuff as a celebration, so he made it more sad, more angry, more obvious that the Eltingville boys were ruining their lives
Yeah, getting into a fight at a comic store, beating each other senseless with fucking _props,_ and then _burning the place down_ sounds like something you'd see in an Adult Swim show. And yet, despite the absurd premise, it's treated completely seriously, and is depicted as the tipping point that finally destroys the Eltingville Club for good.
I also saw another commenter point out the brief scene we saw with the original formation of the Eltingville Club, in which they already started to get into an argument, until *BILL* of all people was the voice of reason, reminding everyone that the Club is supposed to be about having fun. It's legitimately a really sad scene, since we already know the monster Bill would become. Out of all of them, Bill was the one who lost sight of the Club's original purpose the most, as he's devolved from being an over-enthusiastic fan into a toxic shitbag, who defines his entire life by his obsession, even though he doesn't even _like_ comic stuff anymore.
I feel like when a creative takes steps to "teach" their audience about whatever message they don't interpret themselves, they end up losing the plot and kind of tearing everything down to prove a point, hence Cerberus syndrome.
If there's ever somehow an animated series, I hope they make the ending a lot less pessimistic and negative, while also acknowledging the previous story. They could even make fun of the whole superhero multiverse zeitgeist by referring to the comic run as an "alternate universe"
@kikrinman1450 sadly I think the pessimistic ending is a necessity
Fandoms have become more and more toxic from all sides within recent years
Go onto any social media platform and wait how long it takes for someone to say """woke""" or """-ist""".
Eltingville is a warning against the worst of the worst in fandoms and to avoid being those kind of people like the plague
@@InconspicuousOrganicIt really feels like that
What really hurts about the final panel is how the group was about to get in an argument over the damn name yet bill is the one to stop it, clarifying how this club is supposed to be fun and then you see later on he forgot his own words. He forgot what the eltingville club was all about. Damn shame
But I’m so glad that I finally found retrospectives on this amazing series and I’m so happy you dubbed the entire comic, you were great and I loved those little laughs at the backgrounds texts lol! Very good video!
I wish that the original voice cast from the pilot would read through the entire comic series
If Adult Swim had ordered just one season, we likely would have gotten all the shorts adapted
@@TheOneNerd1I know, but a cast reading would be the next best thing, plus it's something that is actually feasible in reality
@@TheOneNerd1you did an incredible job. Very rousing.
@@TheOneNerd1 We need this show now more than ever!
I always got the vibe the these four were not friends because they like each other but, because they were the only ones who can tolerate each other.
Yeah, they come across as mismatched friends who just so happened to be “friends” by proxy
Man Jerry is admirable for being able to turn out that well despite the Eltingville club. The trajectory of his life is pretty heroic in an everyman kind of way. In retrospect the bee-dee-bee-dee thing was probably a nervous tic to begin with. But despite being a socially awkward teen he managed to overcome it by applying himself and staying humble.
I think his parents have alot to do with it. Rather than blowing up and demanding that he change, his mom is just like "well, Im disappointed. You won't be seeing those trouble makers again."
I haven't watched The 40 Year Old Virgin in a while, but I remembered the point of the film being that the titular character was genuinely much more emotionally mature and sure of himself than the guys who were trying to 'help' him, who all revealed themselves to be shallow, depressed people who projected their insecurities onto a guy with social anxiety who ultimately found a loving partner by completely ignoring their advice.
I know that they make a point of saying he sold his collection of toys via his partner's ebay shop and made a bunch of money for them to start a new life together, but everything he did that was inauthentic to himself was detrimental to his goal of losing his virginity and it was something he and his partner did in collaboration. She had an understanding of the material value of those possessions and helped to sell them for a good price and he had the motivation to let go of those things and invest in their shared future.
He never gave up any passion for the things he liked, he just changed his relationship with them and the two of them combined their expertise into a successful business.
It's possible that I've misremembered aspects of it, but I think that the point of the film was that he didn't need to change to be worthy of love, whereas the people 'coaching' him did. I fully believe that it was meant to be a subversion of the trope of turning an undesirable person into something more palatable. It's probably quite dated and I remember some homophobic subtext, but I don't think that the way you described it fits with my recollection at all.
The problem is the movie at every opportunity implies the main character is a virgin for being interested in his toys and nerdy things, and that he needs to "grow up", or basically no woman would ever want him.
Any time his interests come up, it's at least to my memory, always a joke at his expense. When he sells his collectible toys, he very clearly doesn't want to, yet sells, again to my memory, literally all of them.
@@Crypt-Kitty I don't recall him really being that bothered tbh.
The film is just a big advert for eBay at the end of the day
@@casanovafunkenstein5090Okay that's a wild take away to have about a movie.
You may think it's "dated" but when was the last time we had a good comedy movie that was culturally relevant?
The other guys were very superficial and sexist while the MC was just some guy that was a bit socially awkward. The film had its heart and I think it's one of the better raunchcoms out there
Evan Dorkin actually gave an explanation on what happened to the group after the epilogue after someone asked him about it on Twitter. To sum it up:
Jerry is still doing okay. His anxiety worsened, but he still plays at Magic: The Gathering Tournaments and is still with his girlfriend.
Josh never becomes a writer for DC Comics and instead inherits his childhood home before eventually dying of a heart attack decades later.
Pete becomes a registered sex offender after an incident with an underage fan and dies of an overdose at the age of 35.
Bill never changes. He still lives with his mom, he still makes a living off of Ebay, and eventually dies alone, with the only people he had left in his life being some 4chan users who didn't even notice he was gone.
Jesus that's grim. But I'm glad Jerry is ok.
Damn that dark
Sadly, it's what happens when you break away from those who are toxic. Sometimes, they just drown in it, and their life ends the way they live. At least Jerry will hopefully be able to put it behind him, have a family, and share what he truly loved with them.
I hope those 3 at least found some peace in the afterlife, even if they might not deserve it.
That sounds pretty on the mark for these guys. The comic paints them in a much more “nerd-rage” light. It was kinda poking at the Incel topic, before folks really had a word for Incels.
Damn no wonder his writing wins awards. Look at 47:48 how he gives the game "Magic: The Gathering" thematic meaning as in your passion to stay in love with something while also feeling 100% authentic to a real conversation. Keeping the "Magic" alive. Something a lot of fans failed to keep or never really bothered to realize what was so special about it in the first place. His horrible friends couldn't even feel happy for him. Good stuff.
Also notice how, during his speech about his passion for Magic, we see his real eyes for the first time. And how, after having his passion be brushed off by his old friends, they go right back to the white dots.
A genuine grotesque in every meaning of the word
A real dark parody of the concept of fandom
I dont know if he wrote it like that on purpose, but I think its pretty telling that Jerry, who turned out the best, also had his parents have the most level headed response to the big incident.
Not that I blame any of them for being angry and upset, its obviously a huge problem they literally destroyed, then burnt down a comic book store, but it does imply the kind of parenting theyve had. Especially Pete's dad who was completely unglued.
I feel bad for jerry in the end he just trying his best to get gang back together and bill have to ruin it again.
Same. About two years back I had a semi-similar reunion with my old friend group that this reminds me of. Not nearly as toxic so much as a reminder that we've all drifted away in very different ways that don't really mesh completely anymore. One of us is a dedicated family man (still works on his music but it's a secondary concern, still happy for him), one just kind of gave up on his dreams and settled for the first person to pick him back up after a major break up (was the heart of the group but never quite recovered from what happened), and the one we all miss was why we were there (most successful of us, brilliant, always kept in touch with us, passionate to a fault, had taken his own life). Meanwhile I look at myself and feel like I haven't changed beyond being less stupid and impulsive (still into the same stuff, never really amounted to much, very much lost in some ways while I've found answers in others). Parts of this series hit me hard but most of all make me so happy even at my most toxic my friends and I were never at this same level of pure terribleness.
The comic dubbing part was the best part!
Evan Dorkin’s paneling can be amazing, but very hard to follow, this video made it so hilarious yet so digestible and understandable
Oh, thaaaaat's what KC Green's "Anime Club" was riffing off.
He even did the zombie bit. It's absolutely uncanny.
my exact thought. I felt like I’d read this before
Eltingville Club walked so Anime Club could run, but it barely got one step in before falling onto its face on some pavement
AC is pretty watered down and safe. Just my opinion though
i have been so desperate for eltingville club stuff i immediately liked this!! tysm for feeding the eltingville fandom there is literally like 5 of us
No problem, thank you for watching
YOU'RE SO REAL FOR THAT I LOVE YOU
IKRRR, ive been rewatching the pilot and the comic for the nth time now...
@@grrrzumbie bruh we are THAT starved for content
Those omnibuses are expensive af
Bill is easily the worst of the entire cast. Whereas Jerry comes across as the voice of reason, Pete comes across as sarcastic but, level-headed and Josh comes across as weak, Bill is just a power-mad, sociopathic lunatic who only cares about his own status and his own personal interests while forcing his views upon everyone. Sad that there are people just like Bill in real life too.
You also brought up a good point at the end where you ask "If you don't enjoy something any more, why keep supporting it?" and honestly, as sad as it is, for some people, their support for something is literally all that they have in this world. They feel they have nothing else to show an interest in, or someone else to relate to, so they become obsessive with what they consider their 'Only thing that makes them happy' instead of finding normal interest such as human interaction, social event like sports or holiday celebrations or just finding normal hobbies that can improve their wellbeing, so they become attached to these things either because they are too scared to venture out of their comfort zone, or they find no other connections to be made from it.
I’m glad that Jerry was able to enjoy the fact that he was passionate and still have good social life skills.
@Duraganthelion ngl Pete I think is the worse out of them as adult given his taking advantage of women in porn.
@@angrybronyit really makes me sad how he ended up. Though out the story he’s a trouble but passionate horror fan(and arguably a secondary character) he might have encouraged some bad behavior but I really feel like he was ever a “bad” person until the end where his character takes a 180 and becomes a sadastic freak.
You just described like 80% of Star Wars TH-camrs
@@CM-di1oz Sadly, being in a position he was in brings out the absolute worst in a lot of people who seem basically fine. It sucks because as short as it was, his little quip about "horror is about facing your fears" seems to have some actual weight behind it.
I think choosing to not really engage with the "fandoms" that I'm a part of was one of the best decisions of my life
I have spent most of my life staying away from fandom and forums and such. Closest thing I get now is the Internet Wrestling Community and that's just cause Twitter keeps showing me all the bad takes and toxic fans.
@@TheOneNerd1 honestly it's the best I get to like things recommend them to my friends and not have randos on the Internet tell me I should "die" cause I like something they don't lol
That comic dub for the grown up reunion was great. Writing really captures that worst kind of nerd, makes you uncomfortable just reading it
It's a real depiction of nerds the ones that go deep into their hobbies to get worse overtime
Fuck, so jerry literally and figuratively leaves them behind to move on with his life and the other 3 just stay the same pieces of shit. That’s deep
I never considered toxic fans as real fans. I even nickname them members of The Eltingville Club.
Yeah people like that give most media and normal fans a bad name
I think "toxic fans" is a cope phrase
@@Strictly_Jakecan you elaborate?
@@3squl3t0nm0nth What is a "toxic fan" anyway? Sounds subjective to me. I hate what happened to Star Wars/Trek, Dr. Who, pretty much all mainstream comics and movies, and I blame the overly sensitive culture we have nowadays. Does that make me toxic?
@@funkyweapon1981 Well, how do you act around it? Do you spew hate whenever something you dislike happens? Do you hate on others that just enjoy things, while thinking your own enjoyments are superior?
Interesting that most of the boys had an out of being awful people.
Jerry took it. Bill could have actually made a succesful comic sorting business if he just did his job. If Josh applied himself in those writing classes he really would have a small shot at becoming editor. Peter uh....peter basically got what he wanted and just seems be a dick.
Unfortunately I suspect if Bill were a real person he'd probably be running a relatively popular anti woke youtube channel. One of the shorter lived ones though because he would definetly embarass himself fast.
Unfortunately they all 4 seem like the worst people you could ever meet but somehow that makes it even more interesting
I think Pete effectively lost his out of being a disgusting human being when he abandoned his love of classic horror for the new hardcore horror porn. It's very subtle but it's clear that his dad beat his love of the old school "baby" horror & while he did rebel against his dad it's clear he took a lot of his family's hyper macho sexist garbage with him. The adult Pete would never dream of passionately mourning the death of the genius of Peter Cushing or Bela Legosi as he did in his youth, in his own words he gave up all that stuff "to take up f*ckin". And honestly, my heart breaks for young Pete a little bit.
@@ohsoedgy6888 Nah not Jerry he was just around the worst people and that infleunced him just as badly.
@@alexliddell3171honestly same yeah he was kinda badass with hat Hellboy Hand and Captain America Shield combo
Wokeness is terrible & there's nothing wrong with hating the woke garbage that is being made now, the reason why they are terrible is not because they dislike stuff but how they react to it, make it their whole personalities & treat people especially their so called friends like garbage.
When Bill was too narcissistic, even Josh, supposedly the most arrogant one in the group, walked away with Jerry. That's when you knew how messed up he was.
The ending is just so sad to me, everyone blaming Jerry for their own misdeeds and then acknowledging that they treated him poorly.. just to use that against him. Heck, during the reunion they treated him poorly, knocking his love of magic the gathering, lashing out at him when he disagreed with them, blaming him for everything in the end, etc. Hell, don’t get me started on the treatment of Mandi.
I’m just glad Jerry left them all. Like Bill is the worst but it’s clear Josh and Pete are no better.
At the end of the issue before this, It’s sad to see their first meeting as the eltingville club when they were “innocent” and just wanted to have fun. :(
Let me do some comic book nerd overanalyzing, because I keep thinking about the "Spider-Man is hyphenated" line, I am obsessed with it, I know it's a throwaway gag but I think it's vital to the scene
All of the monologues from each of the guys in the epilogue are fantastic, because they're all incredibly telling but none of the guys are self-aware enough to see it. I think the hyphen line is kind of a window into the fact that things aren't happening like Josh thinks they are.
Without it, the panel just depicts Josh getting yelled at by his college professor. There's a few ways to interpret it - if you understand that all these people are terrible, you can guess that Josh probably wasn't taking his class seriously and the yelling was justified. But you could just as easily read it as Josh is right and the professor is in the wrong, which is how Josh sees it - the professor just doesn't understand the appeal of superhero comics and is a pretentious stuffy academic, while Josh was just following his passion, and one day he's gonna make it and show this professor they were wrong to doubt him.
But you add the hyphen line - that's like, THE pretentious comic book nerd line. Outsiders always forget Spider-Man is hyphenated, and if you want to show them up you point out their mistake and laugh about your own obvious superiority, even though it's a pretty basic fact that even most casual comic fans know. We all know how that goes, it's a very Eltingville line. But since it's the professor saying it - the professor probably reads comics. They're at least familiar with Spider-Man enough to correct Josh about him. Josh is thinking "The fools!" as the person in the place of authority corrects him about something he was objectively wrong about - Josh is so obviously the fool in this situation, but he's still somehow constructing a narrative for himself that he's actually the smart one and he's too SMART for his class.
But once you realize the professor actually does have some understanding of superhero comics, you can guess what really happened - it's not that Josh wrote about superheroes and this is "low art," it's that he wrote POORLY about superheroes. He sees writing as a way to validate his headcanons and OCs, not as a real art form. The professor is right, he doesn't belong there - he's not interested in learning from a writing class at all, he just wants to be blindly told that he's already a good writer.
In the end, Josh did poorly in college because he's not humble enough to learn ANYTHING - fundamentally, NONE of them are (except for Jerry), and that's why they never matured (except for Jerry, absolute king)
I love the little hints we get from Mandi. I recognize them as someone with a partner who helped me with mental health stuff and overall life improvement. She's immediately wary of Bill meaning clearly Jerry has told plenty of stories of Bill being the worst one and she's so concerned Jerry has to say its alright several times. She stands up to Bill for herself and Jerry, so he doesn't make excuses, taking Bill's sexist nonsense and letting him reveal himself. But she is also honest with Jerry that what Bill said was hurtful even if she's ok. When sh*t starts going down she tries to calm Jerry with exercises they either learned together or that Jerry shared with her so she could help him practice. Then she gets one of the funniest lines with "Oh Jerry, your sh*tty little friend is dead." We love a Mandi.
I feel like Pete is the most sad future. Jerry turns out well because he was actually good, bill and Josh end up with a shit life became they suck, they decided to only continue their poor behavior. But Pete was just a kid passionate about horror, and after the comic store fire he was corrupted by his dad. Who drove him to bad community’s
@@CM-di1oz from what i recall, Pete wss always the most perverted out of the four, you could excuse it when they were younger by saying he was a teenage boy and those tend to be very horny, but the post timeskip leaves clear he was always gonna head that direction
I love how every adult member has terrible traits - and Jerry's most terrible trait is that he doesn't hold grudges. That's how much of a good guy he is.
If he didn’t before, he probably does now. Lol
The way they were talking about their current new positions while holding their Convention badges. Presenting their lives as a sort of "Badge of Honor".
I'm on the little fandom that has been forming since the trivia meme thing and damn, the end of the comics hurt, Even though I read them more times than I can remember, it fucking hurts dude
I wish Jerry and Pete had their own episodes. Or if “The Intervention” was actually animated.
I noticed that a lot of what is criticized about the characters of The Eltingville Club is in part the just, complete consumerist mind poison these characters have. They seem to view buying and owning as like, the most important thing in their entire lives. Not even the actual media itself, but just the rush of buying things related to it.
Do not listen to angry fans on the internet. Buy Baby Yoda merch instead.
The whole yelling fire(fly) in a crowded convention center is probably one of the funniest bits from this entire run.
The way it's aged is really funny and depressing. For around two decades Whedon was seen as some sort of god within nerd fandom only for it come out he was a gigantic creep. It's always been weird to me how some literally didn't see it coming despite how I saw red flags everywhere. As someone who was never into his work a ton (but did like,, Firefly being the big example of course) that he always found a way to shoehorn in "strong, attractive, special teen girl/young woman" into every single story he wrote and made it important to overall plot was questionable. Yeah it works great for Buffy, that being the point, but even his run on Astonishing X-Men (which I did like) was a little too insistent on making Kitty Pryde the center of it all despite her kind of irrelevance at the time.
@@Unquestionable I was born during Buffy’s run (98) and never really had family members into his stuff because they were older GenXers and not into modern nerd culture, so my first exposure to Joss was Avengers and Cabin in the Woods, even then as a 13 year old I thought the writing was very kiddy and almost exactly what my teenage friends would write. Then I saw Ultron and his weird Hulk/Widow ship and it wasn’t hard for me to start laughing at the guy. I was considering my gender at the time, wading through the politics this comic analyzes (especially in epilogue) and just starting to realize how utterly cringe he was. It was especially odd I think to a lot of Gen Z that older nerds clung to him when the allegations came out, like to younger nerds he maybe made three films most of my graduating high school class would recognize from watching at release.
TLDR: Newer creators have been torn down for less before Whedon so it was no shock to young people
@@Unquestionablehe was? I didn't know that???
Your dubbing is so wonderful! I've been an still am a huge fan of TEC, it's so amazing to see all these new fans popping up, and to see all the new content showing up around. Love your videos by the way, you have such a nice editing style :}
Fiction is like wine for the soul. It has a nice taste and can dull the harshness of reality. To the point of even helping us forget it's cruelty for a moment or two. But to consume too much, to make it a part of your lifestyle to such a degree that defines you, will destroy you slowly as you lose your grip on reality.
Until you make one foolish irreversible mistake caused by your inebriation. At which point you ruin your life.
I love wine
1:07:35 The look on Jerry in the right panel totally says "This has been a f***in mistake".
I honestly thought he was about to start beating the shit out of Bill again 😂😂😂
Jerry dropping a Heliod reference in the last issue let me know he was really about that Magic shit. As a former wannabe grinder myself, the community will really change your life. Been in it for a long time and some of the people I met at tournaments or stores have become my best friends and mentors. The passion there is unmatched imo and infectious. Great vid man 👍
The saddest part about when they split up, is that Jerry was the only one who was sad about losing his friends.
I do not think he was sad...he was more relieved if anything
I feel like it may be important to note, that in the comic where bill becomes the store "owner" theres a "fake nerd girl" who enters the store. Bill said she actually seemed kind of cute, and that she couldn't be a fake nerd because she was wearing a harlequin shirt. Joe said that that was apart of her plan to get attention from them.
I wonder if Joe never said this, would Bill have acted the same way as he did in the epilogue? And I feel like, in a way, that that interaction is proof that hate is learned.
This series is so peak bro omg
That panel with Jerry remembering Agnes felt too real 😂
Right!
I like to think of that shows as well of him being much better than them. Because in that moment, he doesn’t think about how bad that was for him but how bad it was for her! At least that’s how I took it
Those panels were brutal. He didn’t knock the shit out of Bill when he went on his incel rant against his girlfriend, but it was so satisfying to see Gerry reach his breaking point when he thought back to Agnes. Because even if it was partially motivated as seeing her as the one that got away and realizing it was because Bill cockblocked him, it was still long overdue because she deserved better than how Bill treated her.
He remembers that moment vividly
the panel with the punch might the most satisfactory panel in the history of comicbooks and i havent even read this series, like damn
If we can get a lackadaisy show on TH-cam I wanna see eltingville as an indie show.
Eh, it hits different now that its not as extreme a parody.
@tefnutofhoney2832 if anything it's tame.
I really found these comics hilarious when they were in single issues. I bought the collected hardcover years later. By then I was a father in my 30s. Re reading these comics back to back was just depressing. I guess what was sort of a parody of fandom ended up being a little too on the nose. Not a parody but a an actual depiction. So many fans today are toxic and horrible people akin to the Eltingville characters. That there are grown men in their 40's spewing abuse on line over Star Wars re makes or whatever is just depressing. Especially when you consider that most of these franchises were initially geared towards kids. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years men in their 30's will be fighting over Paw Patrol remakes on their vr headsets.
This is the price we pay for a society in decline. People always try to tell me that the mouse utopia is somehow incorrect, yet it's playing out in human civilization as we speak. I remember when this kind of autismal rage was rare to see outside of the internet, but it's leaking, and that's gonna do some real damage to the birth rates.
Reminds me of the Right Wing Talk show station in GTA 4, back in 2008 you would be laughing your balls off at how crazy it is, in 2024 the depressing thought of, "There's people who would actually agree and listen to this guy." stays in your mind
If they turn paw patrol characters into queer black people it would definitely generate some pushback online tbh
@@dannydanny2789 Very true, especially considering the sort of people who buy that stuff for their kids are very much not what I would consider "open minded" most of the time. Which is also interesting as the kids, the target audience, would probably not even notice and just enjoy it for what they already do.
It's gonne be over Bluey
The last issue of the comic was great. Rather than giving each member some sort of fantastical epilogue where they're successful, instead each one (except for jerry) have their negativity reflect into their lives. What makes it crazy is that they could have turned around like Jerry but didn't cause they were too absorbed in their own toxicity.
U know josh saying that "conquering virus until i am in position to establish my so called shitty fan fiction as canon"
That is modern entertainment these days....especially with comics and movies these days.
Damn that cosplay section. I know too many people like that.
As someone who has been frequenting cons since 1999 or so it's definitely a reminder of how terrible some people can be. My thought was always that it's just cool to see someone so passionate and willing to put that out there for everyone to see.
The worst part about the 40 Year.Old virgin is what you said exactly. You dont have to be ashamed in liking something, and you dont have to be to get what you want. You dont have to give up anything either.
as an autistic afab growing up with unrestricted internet access i have dealt with people like this it’s funny seeing how things never changed in fandom
i was bullied pretty bad back then for purely existing as a trans person in fandom mostly in the cod zombies community and the half-life community basically if it was manly they hated me
i liked drawing ship art of barney and gordon and i was bullied for it a lot and made fun of for just talking about being hyperfixated on ravenholm of all things? idk some nerds are fucking weirdos
but i’m glad i stuck around i’ve met the best friends i’ve ever had in the half-life community
and another good memory i’ve had with fandom is having a good laugh rambling to some dorks (used affectionately) about batman in vr chat and surprising them since my player model was jervis tetch from arkham city
i’m nonbinary but i haven’t had the opportunity to train my voice or go on hormones so i still have a high voice so these guys were like “this girl knows batman characters” and it was funny to me
because of books and video games (look i was 12 years old when i really got into art it was totally bc of soul eater, creepypasta, warrior cats, and fnaf) i’ve become an artist and i love making fanart and coming up with my own stories and aus for things
it’s sad that people like these can’t just have fun like this
i wish people like this in real life really could just grow up and learn to have fun with the things they like
a trans kid drawing gay ship art and black women cosplaying anime characters aren’t the things destroying fandoms
58:39 Even Pete has standards. That’s crazy.
The leader’s name is William "Bill" Dickey
And since this is in Staten Island this has to be a reference to the New York Yankees Hall of Fame catcher Bill Dickey
Just a interesting reference I notice as I go through this fascinating Eltingville rabbit hole lol
And funny enough on a side note the catcher who would replace Dickey on the Yankees would become one of the most recognizable and famous names in baseball history none other than Yogi Berra!
I am a Digimon fan and know the modern digivolution charts but holy shit a reference to adventure 1 before adventure 02 was astounding. And I was born when Tamers was on TV
I had never heard of this series before this video and I usually find the whole "comic books about comic book geeks" genre cringey as heck, but wow, this is something else. It's downright terrifying how accurate it still is. The only thing that feels dated is the absence of video games and anime, which are the communities with arguably the most of this kind of toxicity. If Eltingville were made today, I imagine all the boys would be gamers in addition to their main interests and Pete would be the anime guy since horror isn't really considered a geek thing anymore.
It's probably a good thing the pilot wasnt pocked up. Even though it would be great for the story to go semi-mainstream in the post-gamergate world, it would most likely be toned down and without the boys being able to be as blatantly and viscerally awful as they are in the comics, I'm certain there would be people trying to identify with them positively (like they did with Rich Sanchez, Homelander, etc.)
I was thinking about how there has to be anime/manga equivalent to this, and the only thing I can think of is Welcome to the NHK.
@@jeremoople they’re also not very into comedy. Considering Dorkin grew up with MAD magazine I suppose he sees that as a positive outlet. Now that I think about it Jerry appreciates the camp of things like Buck Rogers so that’s the closest I can think of.
@@musclestruts5032 Not enough people watched that show, but the comparison is quite apt.
@@KBzDvSt Bidibidibidi! Okay, Buck!
I repeat that alot.
Bill is like a male velma, except he got what was coming to him.
You’re literally the exact type of person this comic is making fun of
@@isaiahajetunmobi7450right? The likes on these comments should be flipped
It’s nice to see a video surface on Eltingville, this comic and the pilot have been such a huge coping mechanism for me and a lot of other people within the fandom. It’s such a shame it didn’t get picked up for a series but maybe in another universe, the fandom is what keeps it alive though and I think it’s cool to see people being dedicated to such a short series. ❤
Thanks for making this video, you have a really pleasant narrating voice
An hour long video discussing the Eltingville Club? Count me in!
Had to wait until i finished the video to actually comment, but already halfway through theres so many interesting things to point out, needless to say, great work editing, researching and of course dubbing chunks of the comic. I've been looking for more creators discussing the comics, since sure, the pilot is awesome, but folks missing out on Evan Dorkins art and stories is a shame. I'm totally impressed by the gruesome way he draws his characters.
Anyways, seriously, amazing work. More people should check out your channel, you have a great voice and narrating style that kept me hooked during the whole vid, also thanks for pointing out the interesting bits of references hidden in the comic, like the title of the zombie story thingy. It's cool to know!
That's for the comment and thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it
The ending really is powerful, even though the trio admit they think the remake of Basket Case will be bad they still say their going to see it, it shows that they’re still choosing to fester in negativity and rage.
The problem is, that ending is not true to life.
Not only are very few riots and violent fist fights caused by "toxic fans" in real life, but generally, "toxic fans" don't consume the things they hate.
These new sequels and reboots haven't been making as much money. Some end up canceled. In a few cases, the sexually violent and deviant people are in the *casts* of these films rather than the fandoms.
And, their merch doesn't sell well, either.
Instead, toxic fans prefer to watch their favorite toxic youtubers who they feel give them a voice.
Their money, they spend on stream donations and youtuber merch.
All the while, alongside their favorite toxic youtubers the the toxic fans laugh at the silly circus that legacy media companies present them. Together they remember and lovingly praise the old media they like.
Nobody fights over Kenners. The first time I heard about Kenner was on the History Channel.
@@iivin4233 I mean sure but the comic was made as a mockery and parody of Toxic fanboys of “nerd” culture
I remember reading eltingville when I was younger and immediately becoming disgusted by all my nerd merch and hobbies. The epilologue was the coupe de grace.
Great series.
So you don't like nerd stuff.
@@ehsaamullah515 Not at all. I hate myself for liking nerd stuff.
I mean, look at my stupid comic book character pfp. Cringe.
The comment of the happy meal toys hits close. Last month, we got the sanrio x yugioh crossover here in Mexico. People that I had message groups with sent pictures of trays upon trays of uncollected food in Mcdonalds because fans wanted playsets of the collection. They even started selling them at the equivalent of 10 dollars a pop in the secondary market, due to shortage created by them. It was wild
I'm collecting those myself, but I would never waste food.
@@TheOneNerd1 I think they are cool. By the way, great video. Didn't know about this comic. Keep on doing great work mate. Cheers from Mexico.
In my area they're doing Hello Kitty x (dressed up as) Yu-Gi-Oh cards and maybe characters. i think I remember seeing a Hello Kitty Teiya and thinking "Wonder how expensive it's rarity is". TCG collection competing with Kawaii Collectors has to be some cutthroat marketing.
Boy that whole downward spiral towards the end was depressing
There's something deeply uncomfortable about Bill's final rant. It feels very *real*, the type of thing you're certain to find buried in some decades old forum post or Twitter account.
Dude this video is incredible I hope you gain more popularity cause your content is so good. I just want to say that when you said “time is a flat circle” you were right because this comic has me relating to it. I’m 16 years old and have experienced or heard about the things the eltingvile club has done and thank god i am no longer in those situations or groups who act like that. But I can’t help but think if I didn’t decided to change if I would’ve ended up like bill.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video. Always happy to expose more people to new and different work
Thank you for the dramatic readings that made my day! I love the audio effects like the megaphone THAT was great! You honestly have a knack for this, hope you do more.
I remember enjoying this pilot when it first aired on Adult Swim back in the day, and every so often a TH-cam video like this reminds me that it was a comic. I didn't know that he was still doing this comic during the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This comic went really over the top and extreme more than I could have imagined, but a good cautionary tale for sure. Fantastic video man!
This video is what made me get into the comic strips of this story.
Really really really great video dude!
Thanks, glad I helped turn you on to a new thing
Thanks, glad I helped turn you on to a new thing
Watching this reminded me of when I went to go to a trading card convention. I was excited because the artist of one of my favorite cards was there. I had the man sign the card, and as I was walking away, some dude came barreling behind me and threw the same card down for him to sign. I was at a table later looking at cards to buy when the person who had ran up behind me earlier was in a massive arguement with the table owner over the fact that even though the card was signed, it was considered damaged and the guy with the card was just not letting it go. Security had to escort him out. Its just a wild experience
no one "misreads" this comic, they just DONT read it.
I mean i don't blamd them, hearing the last comic be fully voice made how horrible josh pete and bill are sink in, it kind of hurts my heart but it at least distinguishes those who are there soley because of the pilot and those who read some of the comics, and besides i guess kids have the right to have their fun
I remember reading this comics and hating, I hated the main character (except Jerry) hating how twisted they see comic and others thing, and how miserable and pointless they were.
Now I see this as a warning if bad people with nothing to them use this medium for they're own view or just doesn't see them as fun thing to talked and share.
My favorite line is definitely "Woah, shit! X-Men pasta!" It immediately takes me back to when the 2011 Captain America movie came out and I asked my mom to take Dunkin Donuts so I could the commemorative cups.
You can make a community out of any shared interest, but I think modern life has made making friends more and more difficult, which ends up in people with not very many social mores clustering together and making their identities out of a combination of "being the smart kid" and a list of grievances a mile long. It used to be, you'd have a healthier variety of friends due to simple proximity, which meant you could help each other improve as people, but especially since the internet, it's easier than ever to find a ton of identical people and crash your neuroses together.
The way their parents talk to them impacted me a lot. As if they were all pushed into social isolation and anti-social behaviors out of the expectation that everyone acts like their parents do. And the fear of being treated like that from everyone else.
I'm lucky to have grown up with a good family. But shit, I barely know anyone with a happy nuclear family. How many assholes were just unloved, lonely kids?
all of them
@@alexandredesouza3692 dude. They BURNED down a store. The harshest one feels to be Josh because it sounds a lot like emotional manipulation but it could just be pent up frustration over seeing what their son is turning into but holding unto the idea its just a phase and it will one day blow over; everyone else sounds rightfully disappointed and upset.
The one that stands out to me the most is Bill wherein her mom essentially blames herself for not raising him right and believes his antisocial behavior may have something to dp with the fact she and his dad aren't together anymore and as she spills her guts to her son, Bill just wants her to shut up so he can go back to his TV show
@thehermit8618 I'm not saying the parents have no right to be angry. But the way they say it implies it wasn't a just a heat of the moment thing.
Like, Josh didn't mean to give his mother a heart attack and he certainly didn't want it. Of all the things he'd done, an honest mistake which he's been grieving for is the one he gets chastised for the most.
And Pete's Dad saying "Why couldn't you be like your brothers" kind of implies he was already the black sheep of the family.
Jerry's mom was pretty mild, but also rather distant and formal. Like, she's appointing a different time to talk about this more seriously. As if she's too busy to properly scold her son right there.
And Bill looks at his parents as if he's heard it a million times and just doesn't care anymore.
Tl;Dr aside from Bill, it's one thing to scold your children, it's another to do so while preying on their insecurities.
@@alexandredesouza3692 the comment about Pete is actually very frequent in houses with siblings. It doesnt mean he's the black sheep, it usually just means his big brothers set an example he is not following; which seeing as its implied they dont get in trouble as badly and as often as Pete does its a perfectly reasonable remark to make, if a little harsh
As for Jerry i interpreted it more like her mother didnt want to discuss her grievances with her son and set up an approrpiate punihsment without his dad also being present. She didnt sound aloof, she sounded stern and serious but was moving the proper scolding for another time when her husband returns from his trip and they can do it together as parents
Of course Bill doesn't care, he burned an entire comic book store; its clear Bill is not psychologically stable when he doesnt even feel remorse for almost killing himself and his friends
@thehermit8618 Well, I guess it's a matter of interpretation then. It's one of those scenes that's up to the reader to infer.
What I find sad about The Intervention is that the two interventionists could have made a breakthrough and changed Bill for the better if they actually got to the root of his problems.
At one point they ask Bill if he gets bullied at school, which causes him to lash out and break down crying. The interventionists could have asked Bill when he thinks his classmates started hating him or something similar, but instead they immediately used Bill's weakness as a way to continue preaching about giving up your nerdy hobbies, which lead to Bill going back to tormenting his captors.
At the same time, it makes sense that the interventionists wouldn't try and dig deeper into Bill's issues. They aren't psychologists. They're just a couple of former-basement dwelling nerds who grew out of their love of pop culture and believe that the only way to be happy is for others to do the same.
I actually got around the ring this comic last year and it was one insane ride, a great one at that.
Honestly Jerry is living his best life when he wasn't with them anymore.
I just watched the pilot in the adult swim box set thought it was funny when I showed a friend he was like geez they just keep making up questions I was like no those are all real facts and trivia just delivered by 2 top of the atheism Reddit board nerds
Rewatching that scene it's always amused me that I knew the answer to like 90% of the questions. A ton of them are interesting in how they've aged as some have become more common knowledge due to reboots and a constantly growing fandom.
Thanks for covering this and dubbing the last chapter
Thanks, I had the idea to do that just before recording. I felt it added a dramatic flair.
I just got into this and I desperately wish this had gotten a full series
Great video! I think the comic perfectly shows a lot of issues with the comic community. I will say what I found interesting about the end is that most of the club, while still acting childish, hateful and having violent outbursts, were all somewhat successful and doing well in their respective careers. Except for Bill who ends up the most bitter and pathetic of the group and is off far worse than the rest
Jerry gets into being a pro magic player, Josh has a career writing for different comic book websites and Pete works on a film crew.
While they all have their faults they manage to at least work for themselves to make their careers work, except for Bill who ruins his own chances for success everytime he gets close to doing well. Such as with his cleaning business
As I said, Josh and Pete both have their own issues but they still wound up better than Bill who is so self absorbed and hateful he ends up with nothing in the end but his own bitter hatred and selling things online
I did not tune into this video with the expectation of comic dubs, much less an entire dub of an entire (and very important) comic in the series. This was very educational and very entertaining. I think I learned more about _The Eltingville Club_ from this video than most people know. Thank you very much for going to all this trouble - it was worth it!
Thank you for watching and the kind words
Im so glad you dubbed these comics. I probably wouldnt have known what happened otherwise.
It kinda reminds me of Ego from Ratatouille, where he was told he hated food, but he loves it. He loves food SO much that he’ll criticize anyone that doesn’t hold measure to his ideal of food. It’s the same thing for nerdom, where we love our things that give us joy and fun SO much that we hate anything that doesn’t reach that impossibly high bar that is set in each of our minds.
i was super surprised when i finished the video and saw it doesnt have at least a few hundred thousand views. really great stuff man.
Just happy to get any views at all. Thanks for watching
ashamed to admit I've seen that Bill in the Rain panel dozens of times from pirating digital comics. i had no clue this is where it came from lol
You and me, Connie, you and me.
But hey, better to learn late about things than never, no?
Oh, hey, same here!
"Wokeness from both sides"
Nerd culture is cucked beyond redemption. Corporations will suck the soul out of everything people enjoy, repackage it for a "modern audience," and people will still say both sides bad. You've brought this upon yourselves.
Grifters will do the same thing and are currently doing so. Don't pretend that there are not bad actors on both sides
@TheOneNerd1 Are these grifters in the room with us right now? What differentiates who is a "grifter" and who is a group of guys angry that a soulless corpo butchered the MMORPG they play together? Is the difference even meaningful when the corporation will continue to do it regardless?
@@Rockycrusherdude who hurt you
@ElMachoMucho I'm doing just fine, doesn't mean I can't have an argument lmao
@@Rockycrusher Is it worth arguing online?
I think this might be the first video of yours I've seen and I loved it. Really gave me some perspective and the dubbing was really well done in my opinion.
Glad you enjoyed it. And hope you find more of my videos you enjoy, past and future
It's such a shame Welcome to Eltingville never got past the pilot. Dorkin had such a knack for adapting the comic and expanding on the cast, as well as diluting the rancid toxicity of the main four without losing what made them who they were (not to mention the stupendous voice acting). Even tho they were still belligerent know-it-alls there was something there that almost felt like the show's ending might have been less miserable for some of them.
bill really went on a rant about he doesn't cosplay and yet said he is cosplaying his younger self
This is one of those comics that are so very important but damn is it hard to read through. Can’t do it in one sitting. These guys throughout the whole series are just so so unpleasant. But I love dorkin for doing this and to keep his finger on trigger.
One of my fav panels is the unamed comic girl going into the store to buy some Saga and scared away by guys hanging in the store.
Small scene in a series of big in your face moments.
That scene always reminds me just how long Saga has been running
This is the first of your videos i have found, and ive never heard of this comic or the pilot it spawned before now, but i have go say that what you made here is extremely meaningful and insightful and you have gained a subscriber this day. Im going to look up this comic and read it for myself later, as i resonate with themes. Hell a similar thought process happened with me just a couple years ago that finally let grow up and enjoy the things i enjoy. Namely the sonic the Hedgehog franchise. So many old guard fans like me hating on the new stuff. The games, comics, movies and shows. I avoided it all for a while until i finally figurednid check it out and well, i love it. Especially the new IDW comic series. Now i collect every issue as the trade paperbacks come out (i literally decided on the trades instead of individual issues not to save mkney but because they are more durable and re-readable) just so i can enjoy skme of my favorite new stories while reminiscing on the old. Its fun. Being a fan is fun, if you allow it to be. It sucks that there are soo many nerd jerks in the world like Bill and the others. I used to know my own group of them. But hey. As long as we keep trying to do better, we can be. As a whole.
Thank you for making this video. Im going to start binge listening your others now while im at work. I hope you have a wonderful day and foreseeable future!
this cartoon lived rent free in my head for over 10 years with me never remembering what the show was UNTIL this guy on X was showing up earlier this year that looked just like Josh.
WAIT WAIT WAIT.
So you telling me that Anime Club series of comics that KC Greene did was a hommage to this? Because I see WAY too many fucking parallels between those series, from characters to attitude. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but I get the feeling KC read this comic.
The guy being a huge fan of a guy on a show but calling in to be a jerk is so accurate. Such miserable turds.
Thank you, thank you thank you I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video about the eltingvilleclub in detail and I really did enjoy the part where you comic dub the comic for the eltingvilleclub 10 out of 10
Thanks for watching, glad you liked it
I have to say, I very much enjoyed the comic dub. I like the telephone effects for "As Seen On TV" a lot, but I also think the dubbing just kind of helped me enjoy the final comic a bit more and it felt a bit more immersive.
"Maid for Geeks" sounds like a much better name for Bill's business than Pristine Mint.
Moving on, I remembered I was gonna buy an Eltingville compilation after watching the pilot, but Amazon basically previewed the whole thing online. No ads to sift through!
Remember the original pilot back when it aired but never looked into the actual comics so really appreciate this deeper look. I was, suppose I still am to an extent, big into pretty much the entire "nerd culture" from the era that inspired this and while there have definitely been interactions with some hardcore shit tier fans I've been lucky enough to never come across it a ton. There is a lot of nostalgia in me for a time when a lot of things like comics, games, and the like weren't as main stream but I also temper that by remembering all the horrible parts too. It used to be a gigantic pain in the ass to track down thing, even if it was popular in the fandom, and being judged on a whim by "normies" because you're passionate about your hobbies. Not to mention being an adult and having disposable income puts things in a much broader perspective.
I still visit my local comic shop, been going since 1998, and the owner is one of the nicest guys I've known. My mom knew him as a customer at her work, a near by bank, so come Christmas or my birthday she would go to him for recommendations and he never steered her wrong. Back in the mid 2000s I moved across the country for school and the local comic shops were way closer to the Eltingville Club than I would like to recall. The owner was a weird mix of arrogant and welcoming, always ready with solid news and recommendations but also asshole comments when you didn't agree with his opinions. The workers were garbage, constantly rotating from being fired for stealing or ignoring customers to indulge in arguments like if Spider-man could take on The Runaways solo.
All the parody’s and references, instance chaos tied to different genres, so many things they could have done with this show but they never allowed it to cook. I actually love this pilot. It always gave me peace growing up whenever I saw it. I’m happy it’s finally getting some recognition especially the comic it was based on. Maybe one day we will get the proper nerd culture filled Mission Hill x Regular Show this had the potential to be.
nice retrospective, i never knew the comic had more than a couple issues
The comic is grossly under read. Glad to help people discover it last the Pilot