This is just the video I need to see to re-affirm my experience of getting higher register notes coming out cleaner when I tongue more forward. If there were 4 levels of playing (Beginner, Novice, Intermediate, Advanced) I am closer to a novice now after more than 2 years of practising. I guess I'm a bit slower cus I'm mostly self taught, but this year I now have an online virtual teacher to hear me play and help me advance faster so I'm glad that I have multiple sources to help me improve. Tonguing definitely needs to be practising alongside slurring to understand the differences and so that they can be used together in a piece of music and recognise where they are used. Keep bringing more vids as they are enjoyable to watch. Thanks Tatiana.
I play the flute for 6 years and when I play, tip of my tongue is near the lower lip and gently pushes it forward and the further part of my tongue does the tongueing. When i want to make the tip of my tongue do the tongueing, my jaw goes forward (my lower teeth aren't behind my top teeth, they are exactly under them), because otherwise the sound won't come of :// and even if i do this my sound is bad and really, really airy. I don't know what to do :((
re: throat tension. I have a theory which is if I do Tuvan singing and subharmonic singing and then headvoice on "gee gee gee" in the car on the way there I never have a bad tone day on the flute... so far this is 100%... so I think, ok singing and playing is good but it has to be good singing. Throat can get involved in bad ways singing too and adding that to the flute isn't going to help. When the throat tries to get involved, it's actually trying to help. Famous baritone says "I'm singing with an open throat," ENT scopes him and sees that his throat is, in fact, super closed. These are muscles we don't have a lot of direct control over. When the throat "closes" and we feel it, what we mean is we're closing it with the wrong muscles. If you can manage to make the space around the vocal folds flexible without activating these muscles, I think that's the secret to most of the "mysterious" vocal problems where one person just does it easily and someone else struggles and there is no communication, people just think one is "gifted" with a "different instrument" somehow and the other not etc... anyway, so Tuvan singing closes this space with the unwanted outer muscle tension, veins pop out on side of my neck, etc... don't get me wrong I think Tuvan singing is very healthy, but it does seem it uses some of these muscles that eventually we don't want to use (at least when I do it; this may mean I'm just not good at it.) I think subharmonic singing may be activating the false folds in the same way as the low kargyraa but without these outer muscles. I alternate between these and make "the same" low sympathetic resonance note just making sound in the car, and then test that I have relaxed warmed up headvoice, and so far I really think this has done wonders for my flute playing in the space that was previously mysterious... eg. would just be good one day and bad another, and had no idea what was different. Ok, these are difficult vocal things, but I think this idea explains the roll of throat tension in flute playing... when your throat does that it's actually trying to do something good. It's nearly getting there and barely missing.
Is there a video you have that helps first time users of flutes? Like how to blow in to make sounds other than just air going through the flute. My niece came home with a open flute and neither of us can figure out how to use it properly. It's an artley 10-0 I think all silver.
The tongue actually rests in different places depending on your native language. English speakers rest their tongue toward the top whereas say native Russian speakers rest towards the bottom of the mouth. My tongue rests on the bottom but darts up when I tongue.
Interesting! I speak a few languages with a similar set and consonances so didn’t consider it could be different for different languages but that makes sense. I have a speech therapist friend. Will definitely ask her about it 👌🏼
Do you know of any adult beginner flute players being self taught or with a teacher? I have looked for lots of music videos titled similar to adult music beginner progress videos but I find mostly just violin ones.
Hi Amanda, we have a whole community of adult players. Some are beginners, others a bit further on the journey but it we have a very vibrant community free and members group on Facebook.
Hmmm. It is possible that you are slowing down the air or raising the air stream. This is a very common double tonguing problem. Will be doing some more on this later this month!
This is just the video I need to see to re-affirm my experience of getting higher register notes coming out cleaner when I tongue more forward. If there were 4 levels of playing (Beginner, Novice, Intermediate, Advanced) I am closer to a novice now after more than 2 years of practising. I guess I'm a bit slower cus I'm mostly self taught, but this year I now have an online virtual teacher to hear me play and help me advance faster so I'm glad that I have multiple sources to help me improve. Tonguing definitely needs to be practising alongside slurring to understand the differences and so that they can be used together in a piece of music and recognise where they are used. Keep bringing more vids as they are enjoyable to watch. Thanks Tatiana.
Thank you Tatiana. Very helpful tips. In my case what the most I struggle is the throat. Hope singing will help me.😊
Enjoy. It is a useful one for opening the throat!
I am a saxophonist and clarinetist, and have been struggling with flute for years. Your videos are very helpful. Do you offer private lessons?
I play the flute for 6 years and when I play, tip of my tongue is near the lower lip and gently pushes it forward and the further part of my tongue does the tongueing. When i want to make the tip of my tongue do the tongueing, my jaw goes forward (my lower teeth aren't behind my top teeth, they are exactly under them), because otherwise the sound won't come of :// and even if i do this my sound is bad and really, really airy. I don't know what to do :((
Great video. Thank you for all of your hard work to help us become better fl(a)utists! (re: the a - old habits die hard)
Is the French tonging ok? I do it and it’s a bit slow
re: throat tension. I have a theory which is if I do Tuvan singing and subharmonic singing and then headvoice on "gee gee gee" in the car on the way there I never have a bad tone day on the flute... so far this is 100%... so I think, ok singing and playing is good but it has to be good singing. Throat can get involved in bad ways singing too and adding that to the flute isn't going to help. When the throat tries to get involved, it's actually trying to help. Famous baritone says "I'm singing with an open throat," ENT scopes him and sees that his throat is, in fact, super closed. These are muscles we don't have a lot of direct control over. When the throat "closes" and we feel it, what we mean is we're closing it with the wrong muscles. If you can manage to make the space around the vocal folds flexible without activating these muscles, I think that's the secret to most of the "mysterious" vocal problems where one person just does it easily and someone else struggles and there is no communication, people just think one is "gifted" with a "different instrument" somehow and the other not etc... anyway, so Tuvan singing closes this space with the unwanted outer muscle tension, veins pop out on side of my neck, etc... don't get me wrong I think Tuvan singing is very healthy, but it does seem it uses some of these muscles that eventually we don't want to use (at least when I do it; this may mean I'm just not good at it.) I think subharmonic singing may be activating the false folds in the same way as the low kargyraa but without these outer muscles. I alternate between these and make "the same" low sympathetic resonance note just making sound in the car, and then test that I have relaxed warmed up headvoice, and so far I really think this has done wonders for my flute playing in the space that was previously mysterious... eg. would just be good one day and bad another, and had no idea what was different. Ok, these are difficult vocal things, but I think this idea explains the roll of throat tension in flute playing... when your throat does that it's actually trying to do something good. It's nearly getting there and barely missing.
Is there a video you have that helps first time users of flutes? Like how to blow in to make sounds other than just air going through the flute. My niece came home with a open flute and neither of us can figure out how to use it properly. It's an artley 10-0 I think all silver.
Nice vídeo as always
Appreciate that! Thanks
The tongue actually rests in different places depending on your native language. English speakers rest their tongue toward the top whereas say native Russian speakers rest towards the bottom of the mouth. My tongue rests on the bottom but darts up when I tongue.
Interesting! I speak a few languages with a similar set and consonances so didn’t consider it could be different for different languages but that makes sense. I have a speech therapist friend. Will definitely ask her about it 👌🏼
@@TheFlutePractice It would be so neat to hear a speech therapists prospective!
Do you know of any adult beginner flute players being self taught or with a teacher? I have looked for lots of music videos titled similar to adult music beginner progress videos but I find mostly just violin ones.
Hi Amanda, we have a whole community of adult players. Some are beginners, others a bit further on the journey but it we have a very vibrant community free and members group on Facebook.
When i try double tongue the notes from boure angilese my notes don't come out and it is just air going all directions
Hmmm. It is possible that you are slowing down the air or raising the air stream. This is a very common double tonguing problem. Will be doing some more on this later this month!
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