Hey Mary rest in peace sister.. I want you to know that all of your old Supremes hits have been remastered and released in 2021 on spotify where you can clearly hear you and flo singing. This proves that there were 3 voices on all those hits and that you were more then just a background singer. Thanks for keeping the legacy alive all these years .. Rest now beautiful Mary.❤❤
Miss Mary Wilson was vibrant right up to the end. I have seen a few interviews, while promoting her last book Supreme Glamour, where she was laughing, joking and answering all questions thrown at her. She was full of life. May God give her rest.
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. , exactly, people started hating Mary, because Mary wrote what happened, how are you mad at Mary for writing what happened and not mad at Diana for Her actions, Mary wrote about, I didn't have s favorite. I love the music and it is what it is. They keep us hanging on and that's what people like.
Mary was so sexy... and it came so naturally. She together with Flo Ballard sold the art of backing vocalization and together, proudly and performed sold the roll about as well as anyone whoever has done it . Mary and Flo had remarkable voices. If not for Mary and Flo, the Supremes would never have existed. And if not for the Supremes, Diane Ross would likely be just another singer Mary and Flo, you will be young forever in my heart. Rest well together. I love you.
@@markpowers5907 Mary was the loveliest of all 3, followed quickly by Flo then Cindy - Ross was all teeth. Without the two Supremes Ross would be scrubbing the floors of Hitsville rather than gracing the stage.
You're so right.Ms. Walters pathetic ignorance.Florence was stabbed in the back by Ross and Gordy.Florence refused to grovel to Gordy,that's why she got the axe.
@@robertbowden1362 Florence was also stabbed in the back by Mary. She always said at least she knew what Diana would do, but Mary would say one thing and do another.
The Motown sound is AWESOME!! I love & admire all of the artists. I was always in my late parents 45rpm & album record collection. The Supremes are a legendary & fabulous group. Three beautiful talented women of color❤!! Rest in Heavenly Peace Ms. Florence Ballard (Beautiful lady) you are loved & missed❤. The Supremes are a wonderful & lengendary awesome group ❤.
I'm sure Mary, Flo and Cindy would have no problem with Diana going solo because she had the talent and the drive to do that. They just had a problem with her doing it within the context of the group. It's like Berry and Diana were trying to play it safe by trying to make Diana a star within the group and then set her free, leaving Mary and Cindy to fend for themselves and that's exactly what happened. I truly believe Berry never had any interest in promoting The Supremes once Diana left to go solo.
Out of all this interviews the one that gets under my skin is when Diana says Mary has been singing her songs. Diana was not a songwriter in the Supremes so they were not her songs legally. That fake Supreme reunion tour was a flop. Out of 30 shows they performed 15. So I guess Diana percentage was not that great so it would have been worth Giving Mary & Cindy more money. Greed is a very ugly thing!!!! Rest in Peace Florence & Mary!❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
I think that Diana is just making excuses because Berry Gordy could have helped Mary and Florence more. And I am not saying this because Diana made it and they did not. Because the truth speaks for itself ,he did not back the Supremes the way that he had when Diana was with them.And it seems as if he had thrown they away. And I know that Motown had made all it's stars but it seems to me that when a star could go further , that's all they focused on.And I am not trying to make Berry Gordy look bad but when this happened every one left Motown.
you can't blame Diana for what Berry Gordy does. Bottom Line. Diana's Voice is what she had. that is a fake. Bitterness will cause people to have issues of jealousness. Later life issues confirms mary had issues.
Dear...just because someone is an alcoholic, doesn't mean they are the reason another takes the paths they take or their life's outcome is the alcoholics fault. GIVE ME A BREAK.. Everyone wants to cast stone on Diana Ross. She could not force BERRY GORDY to do anything. You have to know something about him; who he was as a person, and not based upon what some media tells you. You can Trust me on that.....Yeah!, I am from the music world as well. All I can say, you were not there, There are always 3 sides to a story. Never 2 sides. They are all to blame for whatever outcomes occurred whether you like it or not.
@@5thdimensio284 but do you realized,when Diana left Motown,she was broke as hell,Barry took all of his clients money until they woke up and smelled the coffee!!!?
@@5thdimensio284 you are so right. Many people who have no clue about business, can't and don't understand that, they only see what they see...They do not get the big picture... I had to replace a relative working for me....They saw that as betrayal, I saw it as lack of productivity, hurting my business. Imagine that.
I don't understand from Ophra to Joe blow. Cindy Birdsong was a bluebell first, but is most definatlty was a original Supreme and saved the group in 1967. Give credit where credit is due. Flo died in 1976. Mary passed in 2021. Cindy is still here and the clock is ticking. Give this woman the respect she deserves.
@@robinquinc329 And Berry was right why do you think they got 12number ones that mat not mean anything ro u people but id u owned a record label you would understand. Diana Ross was money the other two were not, and because she was the lead singer the group made alot of money, enoughto keep people paid at motown thats why she,s deemed the queen of Motown. And just like everyone else that left she only had about 2hundred thousand in her account. She went to RCA and made herself a millionaire. You guys can say whatever u want about my idol she is not a stupid woman.
@andrerodman737 I agree with you about Diana having the more commercial voice. Berry made the right decision. But Diana wanted it all. All the fame, the glory, all the leads. Flo and Mary just wanted one song each. She treated them very badly.
Wow watching this Barbara was shady. The interview she referenced Mary Wilson never said that. I hope Diana actually watched that interview in full. She credited Diana Ross for having a great voice, beauty and talent. Age did not get the lead because she dated Berry. She did say later they loved her dating him because they got whatever they wanted. I just watched the interview she referenced before this one. Wow. Anywhoooooo... I pray peace was made somewhere before Mary Wilson passed.
So right! I thought the same thing. Mary did NOT say what Barbara slyly misquoted and slipped in there to get a reaction and create more drama for her interview. And Diana seemed to believe Barbara, unfortunately. I too hope Diana watched Mary's entire interview for herself and heard all of what Mary really said.
@@sl2608 Exactly! The same reason why I suspect Diana has never read Mary's books. I honestly don't think she trashed Diana harshly in either of her books, I think the public took their *already* preconceived opinions of Diana and once Mary came out with 'Dreamgirl MLAAS'; the people/media took it and ran with it, creating a 'feud' that wasn't really there and Diana seemed to feed into it instead of trying to see things from Mary's perspective. I am a fan of both of the incredibly talented women and always will be 😊😊
Florence started the group came up with the name..she was the lead at that time. So imagine being the lead on most songs and then told you are no longer the lead ..ok you deal with it. Then imagine there is one song you have that you still sing lead on. Then one night your group performs and its time for you to sing your song ..the one song you have lead on and once again you are told you no longer sing lead on it and that night you sing back up on a song you were suspose to sing lead. Didn't help that Diana Ross was sleeping with Barry Gordy so naturally anything she asked for in regards to the group she got.
To add to this statement, Florence & Mary were performing on stage when the music began for both Florence & Mary to sing lead in that moment, Diana stole the solos right there in front of an audience. There was no prior communication that this was going to happen until they were all on stage performing. I understand that Berry Gordy wanted his version of a Doris Day/Barbara Streisand crossover star under his belt, & he saw star potential in Diana & placed all of his eggs in her basket to propel her into superstardom. Poor treatment to the other girls & talents on the Motown Records label. I think Diana Ross & Berry Gordy used each other to get what or where they wanted to be.
@@jacquelinejones8252 that's exactly what I was thinking. Berry did say later on that he couldn't marry Diana, because he would have to continue to kiss her ass and that she was more selfish than he was. He knew what Diana was all about deep down inside but tolerated her behavior towards others while giving in to her every whim at all cost because he depended on her as his shinning star and as his money making machine. All while Diana depended on him in order for him to make her a star someday as her ambitious goal which was sometimes hard for her due to a eating disorder and Gordy over working her in studio. That could an example of Berry and Diana taking advantage of each other in their relationship because they dependent on each other.
Now imagine being poor and having a singing group getting a contract and putting out some songs with u as lead no hits and then they change leads abd u no longer get to sing lead but now you are hitting number one after number one after number one and over night u guys become millionaires, i probably would have ejoyed time as much as i could and found another label to go to while we were still on top!!!!!
I thought that statement was very revealing. Yes, it was her voice on the original records, but it becomes quite clear here that she didn't see them as a group effort. Strange....Mary and Cindy may have been expandable for her, but she should have realised that at least for fans of the 60's line-up, the whole thing was about nostalgia. That they wanted to relive THEIR memories, not HERS. And that a "reunion tour" with two Ersatz-Supremes would therefore be meaningless, no matter how good the show was. The outcome was predictable. What a wasted opportunity!
A sit down would have been a disaster considering Mary's knowledge of Diane's egomaniacism's and Cindy's inability to defend herself against egomaniacisms.
Its such a shame Mary and Diana didn`t patch up their differences before Mary passed away. Life is too short to harbour nitpicking and throwing disguised insults back and forth when all it would have taken was a third person to arrange a meeting for these two to have sat down over a coffee and aired their worries and problems face to face.
@@burlhorse61 Perhaps but, that was decades ago and it shows you just how much the money aspect can ruin friendships. Money is the root of all evil rears it’s ugly head here for all to see.
@@andyhughes5885 seems to be more than just money-Mary was making money.She seems to think that Diana Ross is very self absorbed.will do anything to get to get to the top.well from watching her interviews anyway.
@@burlhorse61 I agree. I`ve always thought that Mary had the better singing voice though, more soft and sultry compared to Ross whereas hers is more screechy. Flo`s voice was very powerful, far outclassing the other two. You`re right though, ross comes off as being more the dominant one where getting to the top was concerned, brushing aside friends to get there. Its still sad they didn`t air they`re differences out together privately and stop the bickering. Too late now of coarse.
To be quite honest, I've not heard Diana say too much of anything about Mary. Mary was the vocal one all these yrs & brought Diana's name up during EACH interview. The only reason Diana spoke here to Barbara is because she wanted to tell how things really unfolded. Like Diana said, "Mary has forgotten, I helped her out when she was having difficulty".IE, please, don't make me tell the world that I loaned you money post Supremes when Mary was going through her divorce from her abusive husband, Pedro. It was absurd for Mary to think she should've been paid the same as Diana.
@@ronniedamnitz9295 Truth be told MARY WILSON changed the Performance,,, Not coming out on Que, then strutting Out in Red instead of the Black or White gowns as planned, then wanting to Sing Lead with DIANA on the supposed Meledys,and Blocking Ms.Ross from greeting Berry Gordy when he was Honored by all the Atris.... Mary was there to start Trouble and Diana Ross should of followed her First Thoughts in Not Performing , the Ending of the show was a Disaster and was re- edited, there was no DIANA ROSS.
@@prousaburttly1577 also calling Berry by the name that Diana always called him . Mary did everything to push Diana's buttons that night. Maybe Diana should have called Mary a chauffeur .
@@TheBrownIsland she didnt go around bitter and bad mouthing. she simply wrote the truth . she wrote what diana was really like. look, no friendship is perfect. every friend i know have had fall outs, spats, bitching about each other - women do this - it is normal. no friendship is perfect. and many friends would agree there are parts of each other they don't like. get over it. diana has never stated she hates mary - yet all these mary haters keep slating her. makes no sense. the real person we should feel sorry for is Flo. she lived a very short life and was cast aside and bullied by berry. fact. but that's all past. as diana said - the motown family will always be the motown family. and they love each other.
Just because she comes across genuine and sincere, doesn't mean she is! She is a mischief maker, with a mega ego, who resentful of how successful Diana's career is.
I used to think differently about Diana Ross, but now TH-cam is around and you can really see the true person, her delivery can really make a person feel happy and good, but the bad part is that it really wasn't.
When I purchased Ross's music, I never thought or cared about who she was fucking. I liked the music and her voice. Frankly, If he gave up the pussy to get ahead, so what? She isn't the first woman to do this. Hell, a lot of housewives have sex when they're not really wanting it, just to get bills paid.
money should be nothing for Diana Ross after all her career success.Why she could not give equal pay for once in life time to members of the group.and any way she is still the richest of the Supreams.
Actually what people don’t understand is that Diana was going to make that money on the back end. The producers shared their profit points with her in exchange for a salary which means she wasn’t guaranteed that money whereas the money the girls were getting was guaranteed. Diana wasn’t getting paid upfront like they were. She wasn’t the producing entity (even though she inserted herself and doubled the 2nd offer). This was a no start fight actually and it is hard to believe that Mary didn’t know this.
Mary Wlson was not the only one, who said Diana was difficult So Maryy was not to far off! All this talk of love seems neither knew what the word meant! Berry shouldv'e had made Flo lead .and added Cindy! Berry played a part ,i believe so. He needed Diana to shine by herself.Maybe flo wouldv'e gave Diana a run for her money. If Mary Wells did noy mess up, there would be a whole different story of Motown as to who was the real queen. I do love Diana and she's great! Love you still Mary and Flo 4ever supreme! Now the fight is over! Many more blessing Diana.
Mary gave the right response as to the amount. After all these years it should have been an even split at this point in their careers. No matter the amount. Unfortunately, very awkward for both of them. RIP Mary and Flo....
@@sandywright-leonard5238 I didn't go because Mary Wilson wasn't there; hence why the tour failed and was canceled, in my opinion. True, the pay should not have been equally split as Mary herself eluded, but more of a fair offer should have been made and not so insulting with her being a founding member. When I hear Diana Ross sing Supremes songs in her solo career, it's just not the same without hearing the voices of Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson singing along with her voice. Diana singing Supremes songs alone does not do it for me, except for Love Child which did not include Mary nor Flo, and also which I really never cared for back in 1968, but I must say I came to like it within the past decade since it's been altered to have this Latin feel to it and her backup singers contributing a lot to the song that is not on the original recording; just stick to the solo stuff that she made hits for herself, not Suprmees stuff without the authentic backing of Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard who helped create the sound of the Supremes and put them on the map.
It was never going to be an original supremes tour with out flo. So people got what they wanted by staying away. The good news is Diana Ross carries on... I saw her lat year in a sold out UK arena tour and I will see her at the Royal Albert Hall. Yes I would have loved to have seen the Supremes tour.... but all you true supremes fans had your way.
No matter how much people keep talking about Ross' successes compared to the other Supremes, I keep falling back to the advantages of her sleeping with the boss. It's like the Wiz, where that should have been Stephanie Mill's part in the movie. If that movie wasn't produced by Motown and Gordy, would you say that Ross earned that part? Or Mahogony. She was sleeping with the director of that movie--Barry Gordy. Would Ross's career been different if she didn't have that "ace in the hole"? Because it not only helped build her career, but she also used it to ruin others. So who controls the narrative? The person with the most money usually. That's why I don't knock Wilson for writing her book. It was HERS and Flo's group also and once Ross and Gordy took that step, it was all survival time from there. The shits and giggles are over.
Yes, another video showed how Whitney Houston said while making Cinderella she decided not to play the role of Cinderella because she was too mature so she chose Brandy, she said Diana was too mature to play Dorothy in the Wiz but like you said you're the Boss Baby mama so lol
Early Motown groups usually had all lead singers; Supremes had three; the Temptations had five. The Marvelettes utilized Gladys Horton and Wanda Young. Early Supremes recordings featured all three singers. Florence is featured prominently on these recordings, and in the many tours they made around the world. After three years on contract with no hits, Supremes were scheduled to be dropped from the company. They got their first hit in 1964. With a winning formula, Berry decided that Diana Ross would do all leads. Knowing that, Florence and Mary knowing their solo spots were cut, should have talked with writers, producers and ultimately, Berry on what their options were. They needed to make a business decision! Luckily, Mary wasn't stupid enough to rebel to the point of being fired. Florence decided to show up drunk onstage, skip rehearsals, stick a fat stomach out of a too tight pantsuit; ultimately being ousted.In her general release she received only 164,000.00 dollars fot nine years of work; was offered a solo contract by Motown, and refused it! I don't care who's sleeping with who...you are under contract, find out what your options are! She made one mistake after the other!
Diana Ross we dont hate you we dont like how you stepped over so many people and greed ,and pushing The Other Surpremes out of The Lime Light , One time you said -Diana ,Florence wanted to lead the group we later found out you and Barry pushed her out of the group , Mary has held the group together with strong glue ,Mary Wilson your a true legend ad your greatly missed Rest in Peace.
Fact is if you are part of a group and then one member starts sleeping with the boss the power dynamics are going to change. That was a calculating move on the part of Diana Ross. Everything about her success and all that doesn't change the fact that there is and will always be that hanging over her head. She was just too mercenary.
In spite of everything that finishing school training that Berry made all the Motown roster attend back then (so that they knew how to walk and talk and present themselves as "class acts" -- not just on stage but off) paid off in spades. Watching the various interviews in this clip (btw, thank you to the poster and whoever put these clips together --it's fascinating and many probably have never seen the interviews like myself) and the minefield of questions that were asked of them, more than a few of those queries could've set either woman on a tirade against the other, but both Wilson and Ross answer them with elegance and intellect, while at the same time not sugar coating the issues. We could all use some of that "Motown finishing school" nowadays because there are too many people out there with no class.
Yes! The finishing school by Maxine Powell was very influential in how we've seen them as professionals over the years. I saw the Motown special on showtime from this year and HDH said the girls were rough when they first came to Motown. And Diana was a tomboy
Most of the timult people attribute to them are just in the minds of gossiping fans trying to make the case for their favorite. Mary lived a good life she had a successful career. She wasn't bitter people want her to be. Give it a rest!
You must be new here. No one wanted them to be enemies. People have wanted them to make up for years, but there were obviously things that happened when they were young that Mary wasn't able to get past. She's written about it in her books and she talked about it in a lot of interviews. It is what it is. The fans didnt create this feud. It was already there since their youth.
All three of you ladies talk about Diana should've could've , needed, to get things right . Here's one truth and that truth is no one has the other side of the situation , the other side of the coin if you will. So to say with do much finality ,so much vigure and verve Kara Jones, Donna Richards ,Stacy Nelson Robbin Quincy, if you. Want a fare justice one you'll each of you in your writing insinuate the injustice all three of you claim Diana did to her group members you are now doing that same injustice to Diana and the sad part about it , is all three of you'll are standing on just one side of the situation with incomplete information . Question? What happened to impartial justice all around the whole situation and not just Mary's version,or so gossip you read or heard !! Lack of all pertinent information coming from Diana and all others can you in all fairness can you be so definite in your stance against one or even the other .
@@brianwoods9741 You are absolutely correct. I didn't go to Cass tech, I didn't live in the projects, nor was I ever signed to Motown.What I will say ,is that based on the various interviews, news and actions i seen displayed over the years I have a right to believe what I choose to believe as do you .I will gladly subscribe to your channel that you have that dispels beliefs..
they were just childhood friends that became famous, there where groups that were sisters and brothers that didn't always get along, so they split up and move on. until they wants to make up and preform together, they should just keep their distance. it will be hard to fake something that isn't there. the fans will see through it. sometimes it's best to let things be. maybe someday they will really be together.
@@cassie101 Diane made sure Mary and Florence would never forget Diane is the Star. Diane had to backstab. How Else could she get Mary and Florence out of her way. Mary Wilson fought to retain the Supremes Title and she did. Brava Mary Wilson!
@@cassie101 Mary Wilson Isn't holding the grudge! Diane went underhandedly full force and backhandedly got Mary and Florence Out of her way. Diane's actions not only dissolved the supremes but intentionally provoked its founder Florence Ballard to heartbreaking death. Mary Wilson IS lovingly decently in much admired LadyLike fashion keeping her true friend Florence Ballard's Supreme Legacy Alive.
@@stacynels4 Mary admitted she definitely held a grudge against Diana and did not speak to her for years also blamed her for their Break up....I think, that energy should be towards Berry Gordy and his sexual relationship with Diana as a married man who obviously decided to put more into Diana than the other members who were equally talented, but Berry Gordy cheated Mary Wells and many other artists and Mary out of 💰
@@cassie101The only casualty as Diane kept the seriousness of her longtime energetic grudge against Florence Ballard Was the death of Florence Ballard.
When Diana says, "Mary is singing my songs......that's my voice." What the heck does she mean by that? Was she implying Mary was lip syncing during a performance? I don't get it. How does the song belong to Diana? We clearly hear Mary's voice at her shows, which is much lower than Diana's.
That statement bothers me more than anything else said in this interview. I have seen DR state the same words in other interviews as well, that MW is singing "her" songs for years. Last I checked, MW was a founding member of The Supremes! Every once in awhile, DR let's that veil slip and her true self comes through. Oh well, she is talented and I enjoy her music regardless 😊
In no good Diana mind she was the only one out there Mary can sing those songs because she was on every song Diana stinks when will people grow up about her
They have a complicated relationship going way the hell back. Yes, Mary did take a lot of shots at Diana in Dreamgirls, and to a lesser extent in Someday Well Be Together. However, she didn't really tell her secrets. Mary didn't bust out Diana had a kid with Berry and was fucking the boss. She also didn't tell that Diana's first lay was Eddie Kendricks when they was going together, and that Berry Gordy shit on his solo career because Diana still was trying to get at him after she was with him. Mary did throw a lot of shade, but she didn't tell ALL THE REAL DIRT. She aired a little on herself (like Tom Jones), but she didn't dwell in it. She kept it level. Even in the second book she didn't go into as much juicy detail as she could have, especially when her husband cut her ear off from freak tales he heard about her at parties (which she lightly mentions). Their complicated strained relationship starts with the death of Florence Ballard, and Diana showboating that funeral. They were young, dumb, and doing stupid ass decisions, but truth be told Diana gave her some of that RCA money to help her when her husband and her divorced so Mary and her godchildren would be straight. The shove at the Motown thing was long overdue - Diana was in her serious self feelings about Dreamgirls and Mary, not thinking, didn't let her preview the book and then the play came out and it was nasty. But when Mary had her quadruple bypass and when she had the car accident that messed her up and killed her son Rafael, Diana was all up in it. They sisters that hate each other half the time, lol.
ABM - the play, "Dreamgirls' came first and then came Mary's book. Mary loved Dreamgirls so much that she named her first autobiography, Dreamgirl: My Life As a Supreme after the musical.
@Alain Quartermaine I said they are like sisters. I think its a given we all know they ain't blood related. But how DARE you call Mary a snake when Diana was fucking the boss and popping out illegitimate kids with him and he was MARRIED? The fact of the matter is, had Florence Ballard not been raped this story might would have went differently, because Berry was digging on her first.
@@valvacious2793 You are correct but J Randy Taraborrelli said that the idea for the book was being shopped as early as 1980, and that Mary had told most of the first part of that story around the NYC circles, so it isn't that far stretch of the imagination to think she wouldn't have been in the Michael Peters circles and gave it inspiration.
They are "family" and stuff happens. I read the book and came away not hating any of them. Mary told her story from her perspective and yes kept a LOT of Diana's "dirt" buried....right along with Florence Ballard - in the ground. They love each other more than we will ever know.
@@articulatemadness I don't think the Supremes would have been huge as they were if Florence was the lead singer. It was Diana's unique voice that made the group so famous. She has a good pop/rock voice that is instantly recognizeable.
Guess what, Diana always had killer instinct. That is why she is a superstar. She also had the most unique voice, it was different it was fresh it was bird like and it’s tone and pitch cut above the bad base of a radio station. She was fresh and timely as the African-American singers that were now becoming popular were more innocent sounding less angry church. Mary is a beautiful woman but she made a lot of money off of dissing Diana. If any of us had a friend who did that we would not be friends. Mary has had plenty of time to become a star in her own right and it hasn’t happened. That tells you why Barry Gordy put Diana out front. She was always meant to be a star.
You are naive.. if you think only having talent gets you to stardom…there a thousands if not millions who were more talented than all the supremes who never had a shot… DR was in the right place at the right time and took her destiny in her own hands. But Mary and flu/birdsong could have song lead on a few on songs…even Ringo and George Harrison song lead at times…I would think that DR should have insisted on such an idea to Berry her lover for the sake of the other girls inclusion and relevance in the group. So you can’t blame Mary for expressing her experience after getting burned.
@@leftofcenter4 silly response. What happened to the other 30 years? Mary never became a star. She was never destined for it. Flo was a sick woman with a drinking problem that was out of control. Even Mary schemed to get her out of the group. Diana had hits every decade up until her senior citizen age. She had hits post Motown selling to Universal and then moving to RCA. And As far as their brief relationship Berry was screwing every beautiful starlet woman in town. Where is their big bright shiny star. Diana also sold out the forum and Hollywood bowl and radio city music hall. Mary could never even book those places. It’s like Destiny Child. Beyoncé was the only true star. The others had their moments but never caught fire.
I have twice read the book and firmly believe that Diana Ross had absolutely NO problem with being placed ahead of the other girls and I feel it didn't matter that Gordy and Motown management could have shed @ least a little light on the other girls while simultaneously maintaining the artistic integrity of the group.
Ms Ross made it sound -- when she said "my songs" -- as if she COMPOSED the lyrics and music to all of their hits. Sorry Diana it was HDH who wrote those hits, NOT you! Ross can only claim that her voice was on those records, nothing more.
These ladies are legends indeed!! But Diana’s ambition was perceived negatively. I don’t care about her personal life. Diana’s talent and star power are what have catapulted her to individual legendary status. Mary was and is gorgeous and talented but it’s as the old saying goes, “When you got it, you got it.” Diana definitely has IT. There are always two sides to every story.
Either one of them could have been that star Supreme, there was nothing exceptionally special about Diana, she was the least attractive, she was the weaker singer, so it just depend on who seduce Barry first.
When you are young and naive you do and say stupid things...Diana was that. Nevertheless, she maintained her stardom. I will always love me some Diana and all the Supreme members.
Diane stabbed in the back and killed Florence Ballard so noone would finally hear for themselves the greater voice belonged to Florence. Florence put the Supremes Together Named Them And Would Have shared vocality., Diane waanted nothing to do with friendahip and DID sellfishly cut in line being the natural bully that she still is today.
First of all, thank you for this video ❤ Both had ups and downs, and unfortunately things didn't happened the way we wanted. Mary and Diana need to have a conversation and get things right. I love Mary, I love Diana, I'll always dream of seeing them together one last time. Diana doesn't seems angry or bitter after all that drama, and I think Mary regrets some things, and still thinks of Diana as a sister. We have already seen them together, and they kept it classy. I think the so called "fans", should do the same and rest the case! It looks like some of us are still living in 2000! I see +50 years old people going crazy, and acting like angry teenagers, and that's horrible. I want the best for them, even if we don't get that reunion. I just want them to be happy, and nice to each other. And even if that never happens, I'll always be thankful for their music, and contribution for the music industry ❤ *Thank's again for this video*
No one could have said it better. God bless you. I formerly worked in the funeral industry & one of my favorite sayings was: "WHEN ONLY MEMORIES REMAIN, LET THEM BE BEAUTIFUL"!
6:10 it's a lovely heartfelt speech by diana. she seems to genuinely mean those words "send the love out to mary wilson especially" . i feel that is genuine
@Spanky Applegate well there is anger for a good reason, although I wouldn't say Mary is especially angry - more frustrated and hurt due to the fact Diana Ross has all but forgotten her legacy at Motown with Mary & Flo. Diana obviously does not need to re-live those days because she has had huge success. But she was still a selfish Diva who ruined Florence Ballard's career. That's fact.
@Spanky Applegate well said I loved Florence but she was a drunk and obnoxious short tempered and promiscuous and her own family have said so but she had valid reasons for her demons.
@@ginacable5376 well i'd say the majority of Flo's resentment and anger in the end was down to the fact Berry was bullying her (calling her fat and giving her orders) and Ms "Perfect" Ross just stood by and watched it. There is absolutely no doubt Diana had one focus back then - to become a huge star - she even discussed this with Mary about her future in the group - and in the end Diana walked over everyone to get where she is today. Some would call that a strong, determined powerful woman - I'd say that's partly true, but she was also a bit of a selfish cow in the process. She did not care one iota who she stomped over and hurt in order to achieve major stardom. Flo was a victim. End of debate.
The four women are Diana Mary Cindy and Jean Terrell . A photo taken on the night of the farewell concert, when Diana left the group and Jean joined as the new lead singer, in January 1970.
@@selfishone6634 What makes you say Mary Wilson is speaking the truth, where's your proof? Mary Wilson has in past tried to launch a solo career, brought out an album or two, but flopped. You may love her voice, but it's not special enough to appeal to the majority.
@@harsharnsandher1363 yea she's speaking the truth. And here's a quote from people magazine dated April 11th, 1983. Some front row denizens loudly discussed the fact that Diana Ross, who appeared to shove Mary Wilson during reach out and touch, had a run in her stocking. The people magazine article was published in 83 and Mary didn't publish her book til 86. She's telling the truth
The Supremes would have never reached the level of success they reached without Diana Ross becoming the lead singer. They made the right decision, it was not her fault; she was just born with an special voice and an unique talent. Mary was an amazing singer but would have always been eclipsed by the comparison. This happens frequently in many groups/bands.
@@triadafillos1 the voice that made her win 7 American Music Awards, 2 Grammys, and countless other awards, besides being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and included in the Guinness in 1993 as the Most Successful Female Singer of All Time.
@@rubenlopezusa all this is the result of clever marketing, superb song writers and producers, and an intense huge promotion, and if course hard work of the artist. I think this achievement have nothing to do with talent.
The Supremes I have always found fascinating in that they were a case study in Pop Culture. As a member of the Motown Museum I hear lots of stories when at certain events. Obviously some you have to assume are second hand. But you realize that Gordy knew people and came from a family that understood business. Diana came from a family that valued education and she knew what she wanted and probably saw the big picture better than Florence and Mary as well. Mary seemed to be a team player who was In most people’s opinion the most glamorous. Florence although beautiful as well seemed to resent having to put in the work especially with Gordy being smitten with Diana. One of the Holland brothers said he felt one of the songs was perfect for Mary but Gordy made it clear Diana was going to see it. I’m sure this bothered Mary but she soldiered on. I met a lady at the museum who was a staffer at the Motown 25 event and she talked about the incident between Mary and Diana on stage. To me it showed not only the lengths Motown would go to protect not only their image, but Diana’s as well. But it also showed Diana wouldn’t let anyone stop or upstage her and didn’t mind public embarrassment when she felt threatened.
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, and in such a compassionate and articulate way. I won’t reveal my age, but as I grow older and older, I started to believe I would never get a definitive explanation of what really happened during the Motown 25 event - your wonderful comment is the first time I can honestly say I believe what I am reading. The things I have read online over the years are so different, and sometimes so fantastical, I truly believed I would never get a feeling of the truth. THANK YOU for sharing what the Motown 25 staffer told you with us, but most of all, your psychological assessment of Diana not allowing herself to back down, to the point of embarrassing herself does really fit a few moments I have caught on TV interviews, flashes of tension or frustration (Telling Shirley McLaine off on the UK Chat Show ‘Aspel & Co’ as an example). I know Mary wore a bright red dress at the Motown 25 event, I also know Mary wouldn’t allow Diana to perform ahead of her and Cindy… I could see from the edited broadcast that Diana is frustrated and there is tension (her pointing at Mary and Cindy’s heads seems tense and ungenerous) - but if I could implore you, please could share a little more of what the Motown 25 staffer told you about that night. What was cut from broadcast? What was it Diana reacted to, and what was it Diana actually did? You’re the first person I’ve come across that knows someone that was there, and is connected with the Motown establishment. Please help us clear this up, I really hope you’ll reply! My best wishes, a Supremes fan of many years, Al
@AH. according to her she believed Diana was assert her influence behind the scenes with many and of course people relented. She said her coming on stayed with Adam Ant was not originally planned but did it anyway. She said with Mary the tension was there leading up to the moment and Diana had definitely did not want Mary’s history profiled in any way. Onstage Diana became angry when Mary waved or blew a kiss when Gordy was mentioned and that’s when Diana shoved her. She said you could hear the audience respond. Of course that was edited out but she told the next time I watch it notice Smokey come out which according to the staffer was not planned it seemed that like he could see what was coming and came out to ease the tension and keep things on track. The funny thing is when I watched it from that perspective the tension was clear. TH if you get a chance you should visit the museum I’m sure you’ll have a great time…
@@ccth22 I was lucky enough to have seen The Supremes as they were originally the week after they aired on Andy Williams, on February 4,1967. I was 19. They sang all of their hits which were many. They also sang other songs and performance that I was familiar with and was part of their show. Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Diana Ross-The Supremes. They were really great. I met Mary May 9,1998. I told her she was still the sexy one, the way Diana Ross introduced her to the audience. Then I hugged her and tearfully said "I love you" I didn't plan that, it just happened. As I raised my head up off her shoulder, she kissed me. She had a mist in her eyes. I had tears rolling down my cheeks. She knew I cared more about her than her being a celebrity. Then got her autograph. I talked with her as she gave out autographs to others. Eventually I took her hand and gradually let go as I said goodbye. She smiled and said goodbye to me. Rest in Peace pretty girl. You are with God now and with Flo. I will always love you.
So you want to read Diana's mind? ... Let me tell you! ... it's all in the eyes! Question reaction: Left or right: forget that. Throw that away. Ignore that. No not the truth. Up or down: remember the answers. The right answer. The answer that leaves me neutral. In the clear. Etc.
I always thought that the name change was what became the beginning of the end of the Supremes as we knew them from their inception up until Diana Ross’s departure in 1970. Now, true that Ms. Ross was the lead on all those 12 #1 singles and 6 top 10 singles. She had the distinct voice. But this group, founded as the Primettes, was the Supremes. They all went in as equals. But when Gordy changed the name of the group to “Diana Ross and the Supremes”, with making more money as the excuse, it definitely changed dynamics of the group. The Supremes became nothing more than backup singers like the Raylettes or Ikettes. If they had been rechristened as, say, “The Supremes, featuring Diana Ross”, as bitter a pill it might’ve been for Florence and Mary to swallow, at least it still would’ve given prominence to the group’s name, and at the same time, not only given Diana the credit she deserved but emphasized that she, too, was still a Supreme from that 1967-1970 period.
Men like berry goody create situations without any concern for the people involved all he cared about was himself and how to get what he wanted. I bet no one could tell him any thing about his behaviour if they wanted to keep their jobs he may have a lot of money but he's old now and not so powerful end of the line for him.
OMG....WINK!!! @ the 7:50 mark, look at Wendell (I called him Wink) asking that question!!!! What an absolute joy to see you here!! I SO remember when this aired on Kelly & Company!! I'm still missing you to this day!!! Rest in Power, my friend!!!
Mary was such a contradiction of herself. I’m not sure if it was intentional, or delusional. Relationships don’t usually last forever. Acceptance of what is, is always best. True peace comes from letting go of what no longer brings you happiness.
Mary will always be receptive to Diana outside of business! Otherwise Mary does not know if Diana won't strike out negative at her! And she knows that the more strikes that are directed at her, the further it may drive her away! So! It's like ..."if I don't know for sure, that you want to see me then, I am not going to show up!" ....
Hi edagdwg thanks for sharing this story of what happens when you have a real life of singing about true love these women had a great time singing about love and joy being yourself is real stay together as a group God gave them the voices to enjoy life Linda j. Peace ☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️🦋🌈🦋🦋🦋🌈
Not part of the the anti-Diana camp, I miss the FRIENDSHIP that these women that "came out of the house together" had though they did become successful.
I think the reality is, they came n2 the group as GIRLS. People 4get that. How many of us have all the same exact friends we came n2 our 1st job with? I think time, career, & life set them apart as with many of us n the world. I believe Berry Gordy played a huge part n the demise of the group. I'm with u. I'm not part of the anti-Diana camp either. I think people need 2 blame some1. She's not the 1. They were still going strong after she left. She wouldn't have been where she is had she stayed. The group (not the girls n particular) kept her n a box.
That's actually smart. Tom Hanks did it 4 Forest Gump. He initially would've gotten 12-20 million. The movie did great, he got more than he would've. This is a business above anything. The person that's more bankable is going 2 get the most. It's not going 2 b spread evenly. Dianna's career vs Diana's career...Diana has the bigger career. We love them as a collective, but business is business.
@@mistermilkman Your so very right about that. Mary should’ve taken the 4 million but still could’ve negotiated for having a certain percentage herself. Granted it would not have been as much as Di’s. Shoot I would’ve took it myself!
Mary Wilson I Love you RIP . “ The Supreme “. Diana Ross push Mary Wilson at The Motown 25, they cut that part out said Mary Wilson. Everyone knews Diana was push forward and why . The Supreme didn’t see what was coming. Diana could had asked Motown to help her friends knowing what was done to them. Saying they were not friendly toward her at the end of the group. In The Motown play it shows Mr Berry and Diana in bed together. Everyone at Motown knew already. Her first daughter is Mr. Berry. Mr Berry stop The support for The Supreme!
Diana Ross was obviously a ambitious power hungry person who would do or step on anyone to get what she wants. This wasnt only Mary Wilson and Flo Ballard's experience, but Gladys Knight, Martha Reeves, David Ruffin, Patti Labelle, and a host of other Motown acts ....so everyone's note making things up about Diana Ross
@@mic6434 Mic Ill tell you how, her objective was to screw the married boss to gain attention and power (something a person with real talent wouldnt have to do). Then when she screwed her way into position she started treating her other group members and the other female member's at Motown (and or on tour) said by Martha Reeves, Gladys Knight, and even Patti Labelle....like crap! (and this is coming from people who were there and had the Diana experience, not by fans looking on from the outside) If that wasnt enough when the Motown play came to Broadway in NY (the same play that Berry and Diana sat in the audience and watched) there was a reference in the play where when Diana went solo and The Supremes continued on with Jean Terrell , how The Supremes continued on getting number 1 hits and Diana's solo career stalled. Diana complained to Berry Gordy how she was not happy about their success and her career on being stalled, and that's when Berry begin to stop promoting the Supremes and their music(and if that wasnt true with Diana and Berry siting in the audience, Im sure they would have got sued) Trust me it was Diana who was the jealous insecure one, that's why she felt she had to sleep with the boss to get where she wanted to go, and that's why her and Berry decided to push beautiful Mary Wilson and Flo Ballard all the way to the back, because with them standing equal , no one would pay much attention to the anorexic bug eye Ms Ross....and that's the truth.
@Jude Fenwick Hello there Jude! yes thats exactly right, and I just dont understand how people can be so blind to the obvious. Jude I can like someone very much, but thats not going to blind me from the truth of who that person really is. Just like her stage act, Diana is very staged, rehearsed, and calculating in her interviews....they reek of insincerity and just plain old fake B.S.! Its just a real sad story when you think of how she and Berry treated Florence Ballard, and also sad how so many really talented signers like Jean Terrell (who sings circles around Diana) and Scherrie Payne, who were sabotaged and suffered because of Diana and Berry strategies of evil.. its just terrible.
Although Patti never was in any way associated with Motown. Patti's run ins with Diana was as rival girl girls before the Supremes made it big when both groups were on the so called chitlin circuit. At the Apollo for example, Patti's group was more popular n you know Miss Ross can't stand being upstaged lol.
Sounds like she'd walk over anyone 2 get what she wanted with her shot callin Sugar Daddy The look of guilt reigned Supreme in Diana's eyes with her I, me, my vengeful attitude & tour failed. Amazing how the Motown artist were all broke except Berry, Smokey & Diana.
I love all the Supremes Mary, Diana, Florence and Cindy. It's really sad that things turned out so bad for Florence, I wish Mary, Diana and Cindy the best. I saw Mary, Diana and Florence the first time when they were traveling with the Dick Clark show when they were known as the "No Hit Supremes" at Motown.....that was right when WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO when to #1. It's a big world, and there's room for everyone.
1sr time i saw the girls was at the shapiro athletic center at brandise university in Waltham mass. In 1965. I was fifreen and tickets,were $5 . 55 yrs ago come february!!!!!!!
@@petercasella2663 I think that's about what the ticket price was when I saw them. I was a senior in high school. That Dick Clark show was really exciting!
@@williammials6080 I think it was such a huge adjustment for all of them to go from living in the projects to becoming international stars. It's not unlike the stories you hear of big lottery winners who are bankrupt after a few years. Still a sad story.
After seeing her on DFTS I’m going to read her book again. I would say it the first book of throwing “SHADE”! Diane Ross has been Diana way longer than she was Diane. But Mary refuses to call her anything but Diane. Funny to me.
Yea that is really annoying and phony that she calls her Diane. She is trying to say she knows the real person that Diana is ,but it gets annoying after awhile.
@@johnnymfan5065 How is that annoying? If your name is Johnny ... and then you decide to call yourself Jonathan ... do you think the people who have known you as Johnny are going to call you "Jonathan"? Theyknow you as Johnny. That's just how it is.
Exactly. My brother is known as Adrian when we were kids but today they call him James. I do not and will not call him James. Not because I know the real Adrian but because that's what I am use to saying.
@@AlbertaLC1 Preach! These fools want to convict Mary for being shady or whatever. Puhleeze. I saw an interview back in the day wherein Diana calls herself "Diane." Personally, I think the name change was actually Berry Gordy's idea. He's the one that was working overtime to make the Supremes all about her.
All the ladies are beautiful and gifted. I wish the discussion was done in private before the book... I don't believe ms Wilson accidentally didn't know her book would turn on ms Ross...
Mary screwed up by not joining the reunion tour. The money was good and the exposure alone would have been priceless. Unfortunately, she let her resentment get the best of her and Cindy, who wanted to do it.
Thank you! $4 million dollars to just show up and sing. She is still talking about doing a reunion tour! That ship has sailed! Mary Wilson is such a liar! one minute she loves Diana Ross and then the next their feuding in her own words! She needs to go and sit her wishy washy ass down somewhere and have several seats. Diana was the one going out on tour, she was the one whose name guarantees a promoter and a venue. Mary Wilson couldn't get the janitor's closet if she put down a $500 deposit!
That's true. Mary should have thought about how us fans would have loved the reunion. I feel like Mary made us all miss out in a once in a lifetime opportunity. . Diana really comes out looking very good on the Barbara Walters interview.
@@robinquinc329 How insulting. "Just show up and sing." Mary Wilson has much seniority on Diana Ross as a Supreme. She knows and has the group's entire history, from its gowns to its choreography. They planned a whole show without asking for Mary's input even though she knows the Supremes far better than Diana or certainly the promoters. So many of you make the mistake of criticizing Mary about money. She made lots of money in the 1960s by "just showing up and singing." And she was miserable as a Supreme doing it -- after Flo left, they weren't even a group really, just Diana Ross with two background singers. Why in the world would she agree to return to misery, not to love?
@@lecuyerdooley1084 Mary wanted to be paid equal to Diana! It was Diana's star power/name that was able to secure the concert promoter! Mary has nothing to promote other than herself! Diana can go out on the road and do a whole show without once mentioning the Supremes! Mary only has the Supremes! Mary was offered $4 million up from $1 million and turned it down because she wanted more?! like DIana said, they could've offered her the moon and it wouldn't have been enough!
@@robinquinc329 Did you read my post? It wasn't about the money, periodt. It's a matter of respect. Diana, the promoters, and people like you assail Mary as being less than and treat her as such -- then expect her to just take that sort of treatment and be happy with whatever bone gets thrown her way? Puh-leeze. Mary wasn't having it. It's not 1968 and Mary does not have to tolerate that, no matter how much money is offered.
AWESOME, FAITHFUL AND TRUE KEEPER OF THAT DREAM INTO MANKIND'S HIGHEST EVOLUTION. WELL DONE, MS. MARY WILSON!!!!! SOMEDAY WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER, AGAIN, AND YOU THREE GIRLS DID YOUR PART AND DID YOUR PARTS INDEED!!!!! AND TALK ABOUT A LIVING, BLACK, AND BEAUTIFUL DOLL, THAT GIRL ( MS. MARY WILSON ) WAS SOOOOO, PRETTY!!!!! MADE FOR THE WORLD TO BEHOLD, THANK YOU, SUPREME LADIES.
As someone who’s 31 and doesn’t know the full history of the group. I did recently read Mary Wilson book Supreme faith. I also can tell that in the interview with Diana and Barbara, Diana is someone who is selfish, egotistical and prideful. Even Dionne Warwick said Diana is a different type of woman. Diana clearly said in the interview that those were her songs. How is it her songs when it was a whole group of other singers on there with her. So that in itself proves that she thinks it’s all about her.
Nobody talks about "Cindy Birdsong" the truly forgotten Supreme. Its a lovely name, and a very good name for a singer "Cindy Birdsong". Look Mary Wilson it takes drive to become a star. It takes more than being gorgeous & bedding a lot of men. Boo hoo it didn't work out for you. She was a jealous "B"---h this is nothing new. What about your flaws? Bet she didn't write about her affairs with John Lennon, Mick Jagger, Tom Jones & Barry Gordy all of whom were married. Mary Wilson aborted 1 baby and kept the other a secret. Who is he/she Mary? She should have talked about herself. How many times did she marry or get dumped? Were they famous? These are the kinds of things I want to read about stars. In any case she didn't write about herself & her life that's a dead giveaway that she is eaten up with jealousy. I'd rather learn more about Cindy Birdsong, the forgotten Supreme. I'd like to know more about Jeanne Terrell, another forgotten Supreme but easily, one of the most talented Supremes. Their POV is greatly needed to give a better picture of everything & the flavor of those times. All of the Supremes were pioneers.
Obviously you didn't read Mary's books. She never painted herself of being a saint by no means and yes she mentioned at least two married men she had affairs with Tom Jones and the Four Tops member Duke. Where on earth did you get John Lennon and Mick Jagger from? Those are the guys Ronnie Spector had flings with not Mary Wilson. Jealousy had nothing to do with Mary but for Florence or Cindy to never talk about the issues in the group Mary has and Diana did what she wanted for Berry Gordy let her. FACTS!
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Hey Mary rest in peace sister.. I want you to know that all of your old Supremes hits have been remastered and released in 2021 on spotify where you can clearly hear you and flo singing. This proves that there were 3 voices on all those hits and that you were more then just a background singer. Thanks for keeping the legacy alive all these years .. Rest now beautiful Mary.❤❤
Miss Mary Wilson was vibrant right up to the end. I have seen a few interviews, while promoting her last book Supreme Glamour, where she was laughing, joking and answering all questions thrown at her. She was full of life. May God give her rest.
R.I.P. Mary. You fought a good fight. You ran a good race.
She`s still a winner in my eyes though.
And seemed like a true friend indeed
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Cindy Birdsong is 80 now Diana Ross and Mary Wilson are both 76. I am not seeing any type of reunion ever happening at this point.
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. , exactly, people started hating Mary, because Mary wrote what happened, how are you mad at Mary for writing what happened and not mad at Diana for Her actions, Mary wrote about, I didn't have s favorite. I love the music and it is what it is. They keep us hanging on and that's what people like.
Right! And most importantly, Blondie is gone
Wow Miss Mary Wilson is so Gorgeous...She is It!!!!!!
Hands-down the best looking
Mary was so sexy... and it came so naturally. She together with Flo Ballard sold the art of backing vocalization and together, proudly and performed sold the roll about as well as anyone whoever has done it . Mary and Flo had remarkable voices. If not for Mary and Flo, the Supremes would never have existed. And if not for the Supremes, Diane Ross would likely be just another singer
Mary and Flo, you will be young forever in my heart. Rest well together. I love you.
@@markpowers5907 Mary was the loveliest of all 3, followed quickly by Flo then Cindy - Ross was all teeth. Without the two Supremes Ross would be scrubbing the floors of Hitsville rather than gracing the stage.
I want to thank Diana,,
Mary,Flo,and Cindy for blessing us w/their
voice the gift they shared w/ us
another piece of Motown music history is gone... thanks Mary, rest in peace.
Mary was a friend of mine, she was emotionally cognitive, articulate and a great writer by which we shared wholly. I miss her deeply.
You forgot coward.
Barbara Walters better put some RESPECT on Florence Ballard’s name! She is an original Supreme NOT Cindy Birdsong!!!
You're so right.Ms. Walters pathetic ignorance.Florence was stabbed in the back by Ross and Gordy.Florence refused to grovel to Gordy,that's why she got the axe.
@@robertbowden1362 Florence was also stabbed in the back by Mary. She always said at least she knew what Diana would do, but Mary would say one thing and do another.
Barbara is an idiot
Florence should have been included in lots of things! She getting respect now! But it was long overdue!
Dina only cares about dina … Mary spoke the truth 😊
Diana is too old to still deny the benefits of her relationship with Berry
A.Tanyale I loved your first comment and I agree with your 2nd one as well. Kudos!
The Motown sound is AWESOME!!
I love & admire all of the artists. I was always in my late parents 45rpm & album record collection.
The Supremes are a legendary & fabulous group. Three beautiful talented women of color❤!! Rest in Heavenly Peace Ms. Florence Ballard (Beautiful lady) you are loved & missed❤. The Supremes are a wonderful & lengendary awesome group ❤.
I'm sure Mary, Flo and Cindy would have no problem with Diana going solo because she had the talent and the drive to do that. They just had a problem with her doing it within the context of the group. It's like Berry and Diana were trying to play it safe by trying to make Diana a star within the group and then set her free, leaving Mary and Cindy to fend for themselves and that's exactly what happened. I truly believe Berry never had any interest in promoting The Supremes once Diana left to go solo.
Out of all this interviews the one that gets under my skin is when Diana says Mary has been singing her songs. Diana was not a songwriter in the Supremes so they were not her songs legally. That fake Supreme reunion tour was a flop. Out of 30 shows they performed 15. So I guess Diana percentage was not that great so it would have been worth Giving Mary & Cindy more money. Greed is a very ugly thing!!!! Rest in Peace Florence & Mary!❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Mary was heated at the end. She couldn't even fake it....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mary Wilson my favourite 😻 real beauty
Mary Wilson was one of the most beautiful African American women I have ever seen. Gone but not forgotten. So, so sad! 🥂🍺 Cheers!
She was American. Nothing else.
@@GENOBURRITO1 what do you mean?
@@padmasalam5267 I mean she was born in America.
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I think that Diana is just making excuses because Berry Gordy could have helped Mary and Florence more. And I am not saying this because Diana made it and they did not. Because the truth speaks for itself ,he did not back the Supremes the way that he had when Diana was with them.And it seems as if he had thrown they away. And I know that Motown had made all it's stars but it seems to me that when a star could go further , that's all they focused on.And I am not trying to make Berry Gordy look bad but when this happened every one left Motown.
you can't blame Diana for what Berry Gordy does. Bottom Line. Diana's Voice is what she had. that is a fake. Bitterness will cause people to have issues of jealousness. Later life issues confirms mary had issues.
Dear...just because someone is an alcoholic, doesn't mean they are the reason another takes the paths they take or their life's outcome is the alcoholics fault. GIVE ME A BREAK.. Everyone wants to cast stone on Diana Ross. She could not force BERRY GORDY to do anything. You have to know something about him; who he was as a person, and not based upon what some media tells you. You can Trust me on that.....Yeah!, I am from the music world as well. All I can say, you were not there, There are always 3 sides to a story. Never 2 sides. They are all to blame for whatever outcomes occurred whether you like it or not.
Berry Gordy made a business decision, he was not going to invest in something he didn't believe would succeed and time has proven him right.
@@5thdimensio284 but do you realized,when Diana left Motown,she was broke as hell,Barry took all of his clients money until they woke up and smelled the coffee!!!?
@@5thdimensio284 you are so right. Many people who have no clue about business, can't and don't understand that, they only see what they see...They do not get the big picture... I had to replace a relative working for me....They saw that as betrayal, I saw it as lack of productivity, hurting my business. Imagine that.
I don't understand from Ophra to Joe blow. Cindy Birdsong was a bluebell first, but is most definatlty was a original Supreme and saved the group in 1967. Give credit where credit is due. Flo died in 1976. Mary passed in 2021. Cindy is still here and the clock is ticking. Give this woman the respect she deserves.
I love Mary Wilson! Always have .
THANK YOU MARY MAY YOU REST IN PEACE
Mary....Florence....Diana....my first girl group crush even though I am an 80s baby.
Diana Ross had that commercial voice that was appealing. My mother used to say Miss Ross sounded like a cat on a back fence.
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Exactly! Diana sounded “white”. Which is why Barry Gordy pushed her so hard. She had a “pop” voice not r and b.
@@robinquinc329 And Berry was right why do you think they got 12number ones
that mat not mean anything ro u people but id u owned a record label you would understand. Diana Ross was money the other two were not, and because she was the lead singer the group made alot of money, enoughto keep people paid at motown thats why she,s deemed the queen of Motown. And just like everyone else that left she only had about 2hundred thousand in her account. She went to RCA and made herself a millionaire. You guys can say whatever u want about my idol she is not a stupid woman.
@andrerodman737 I agree with you about Diana having the more commercial voice. Berry made the right decision.
But Diana wanted it all. All the fame, the glory, all the leads. Flo and Mary just wanted one song each. She treated them very badly.
RIP Mary Wilson. God knows what the truth of it all is.
I agree mr wilder i wish the people would respect Mary wilson and Cindy god bless them ALL
BIRDSONG, Edith - Birdsong. RESPECT!
I have nothing but respect for Cindy, because she has never talked about none of them, because she knows that Diana made the Supremes.
Naw Flo deserves more respect than Birdsong
Wow watching this Barbara was shady. The interview she referenced Mary Wilson never said that. I hope Diana actually watched that interview in full. She credited Diana Ross for having a great voice, beauty and talent. Age did not get the lead because she dated Berry. She did say later they loved her dating him because they got whatever they wanted. I just watched the interview she referenced before this one. Wow. Anywhoooooo... I pray peace was made somewhere before Mary Wilson passed.
So right! I thought the same thing. Mary did NOT say what Barbara slyly misquoted and slipped in there to get a reaction and create more drama for her interview. And Diana seemed to believe Barbara, unfortunately. I too hope Diana watched Mary's entire interview for herself and heard all of what Mary really said.
@@sl2608 Exactly! The same reason why I suspect Diana has never read Mary's books. I honestly don't think she trashed Diana harshly in either of her books, I think the public took their *already* preconceived opinions of Diana and once Mary came out with 'Dreamgirl MLAAS'; the people/media took it and ran with it, creating a 'feud' that wasn't really there and Diana seemed to feed into it instead of trying to see things from Mary's perspective. I am a fan of both of the incredibly talented women and always will be 😊😊
Florence started the group came up with the name..she was the lead at that time. So imagine being the lead on most songs and then told you are no longer the lead ..ok you deal with it. Then imagine there is one song you have that you still sing lead on. Then one night your group performs and its time for you to sing your song ..the one song you have lead on and once again you are told you no longer sing lead on it and that night you sing back up on a song you were suspose to sing lead. Didn't help that Diana Ross was sleeping with Barry Gordy so naturally anything she asked for in regards to the group she got.
So there story is the dreamgirls
To add to this statement, Florence & Mary were performing on stage when the music began for both Florence & Mary to sing lead in that moment, Diana stole the solos right there in front of an audience. There was no prior communication that this was going to happen until they were all on stage performing. I understand that Berry Gordy wanted his version of a Doris Day/Barbara Streisand crossover star under his belt, & he saw star potential in Diana & placed all of his eggs in her basket to propel her into superstardom. Poor treatment to the other girls & talents on the Motown Records label. I think Diana Ross & Berry Gordy used each other to get what or where they wanted to be.
@@jacquelinejones8252 all true 👍
@@jacquelinejones8252 that's exactly what I was thinking. Berry did say later on that he couldn't marry Diana, because he would have to continue to kiss her ass and that she was more selfish than he was. He knew what Diana was all about deep down inside but tolerated her behavior towards others while giving in to her every whim at all cost because he depended on her as his shinning star and as his money making machine. All while Diana depended on him in order for him to make her a star someday as her ambitious goal which was sometimes hard for her due to a eating disorder and Gordy over working her in studio. That could an example of Berry and Diana taking advantage of each other in their relationship because they dependent on each other.
Now imagine being poor and having a singing group getting a contract and putting out some songs with u as lead no hits and then they change leads abd u no longer get to sing lead but now you are hitting number one after number one after number one and over night u guys become millionaires, i probably would have ejoyed time as much as i could and found another label to go to while we were still on top!!!!!
Mary has been singing "her songs" . The songs that were done on the supremes albums! ....
Mary Wilson IS A SUPREME! She can sing Any Supreme Song SHE FEELS LIKE SINGING.!!!!
Shows you how much she thinks of herself.
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr., 💯, agreed!
The songs were the supremes songs not just Diana.
I thought that statement was very revealing. Yes, it was her voice on the original records, but it becomes quite clear here that she didn't see them as a group effort. Strange....Mary and Cindy may have been expandable for her, but she should have realised that at least for fans of the 60's line-up, the whole thing was about nostalgia. That they wanted to relive THEIR memories, not HERS. And that a "reunion tour" with two Ersatz-Supremes would therefore be meaningless, no matter how good the show was. The outcome was predictable. What a wasted opportunity!
No doubt about it, Mary Wilson was beautiful and very smart, too. I think Diana is not being really sincere.
RIP Mary Wilson ❤️
Diana Ross is a DIVA, plain and simple. RIP Mary Wilson. You and Flo were the most beautiful, without question
I wish Miss Ross, Miss Wilson, Miss Birdsong could have done a sit down together
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. Oh yeah that's right that would be impossible, I wish they could have done this like 25 years ago 😔😔😔 but notice I said Could 😂
@Robert A. Lofgren Jr. Thanks and yes definitely
A sit down would have been a disaster considering Mary's knowledge of Diane's egomaniacism's and Cindy's inability to defend herself against egomaniacisms.
Its such a shame Mary and Diana didn`t patch up their differences before Mary passed away. Life is too short to harbour nitpicking and throwing disguised insults back and forth when all it would have taken was a third person to arrange a meeting for these two to have sat down over a coffee and aired their worries and problems face to face.
i wish that too-But the other supremes feel badly treated by Diana and Berrie Gordie
@@burlhorse61 Perhaps but, that was decades ago and it shows you just how much the money aspect can ruin friendships. Money is the root of all evil rears it’s ugly head here for all to see.
@@andyhughes5885 seems to be more than just money-Mary was making money.She seems to think that Diana Ross is very self absorbed.will do anything to get to get to the top.well from watching her interviews anyway.
@@burlhorse61 I agree. I`ve always thought that Mary had the better singing voice though, more soft and sultry compared to Ross whereas hers is more screechy. Flo`s voice was very powerful, far outclassing the other two. You`re right though, ross comes off as being more the dominant one where getting to the top was concerned, brushing aside friends to get there. Its still sad they didn`t air they`re differences out together privately and stop the bickering. Too late now of coarse.
To be quite honest, I've not heard Diana say too much of anything about Mary. Mary was the vocal one all these yrs & brought Diana's name up during EACH interview. The only reason Diana spoke here to Barbara is because she wanted to tell how things really unfolded. Like Diana said, "Mary has forgotten, I helped her out when she was having difficulty".IE, please, don't make me tell the world that I loaned you money post Supremes when Mary was going through her divorce from her abusive husband, Pedro. It was absurd for Mary to think she should've been paid the same as Diana.
Diane showed her true colors to the world on that Motown special. All of the backstage stuff was just whispered about but that confirmed it publicly.
What do you mean?
Diana pushed mary on stage and grabbed down her mic during the finale of motown 25
@dalelovesimba hi it happened during the taping of motown 25 it was edited out of the tape
@@ronniedamnitz9295
Truth be told MARY WILSON changed the Performance,,, Not coming out on Que, then strutting Out in Red instead of the Black or White gowns as planned, then wanting to Sing Lead with DIANA on the supposed Meledys,and Blocking Ms.Ross from greeting Berry Gordy when he was Honored by all the Atris.... Mary was there to start Trouble and Diana Ross should of followed her First Thoughts in Not Performing , the Ending of the show was a Disaster and was re- edited, there was no DIANA ROSS.
@@prousaburttly1577 also calling Berry by the name that Diana always called him . Mary did everything to push Diana's buttons that night. Maybe Diana should have called Mary a chauffeur .
Rest in paradise Mary🖤👑✨
Mary Wilson is very well spoken and comes across as very geniune and sincere
Ok! (LOL)
That's how she comes across... but I don't know. No Decent person goes around bitter and bad mouthing someone in books & the press for 30years.
yes mary is genuine. and she is gorgeous. and diana loves her.
@@TheBrownIsland she didnt go around bitter and bad mouthing. she simply wrote the truth . she wrote what diana was really like. look, no friendship is perfect. every friend i know have had fall outs, spats, bitching about each other - women do this - it is normal. no friendship is perfect. and many friends would agree there are parts of each other they don't like. get over it. diana has never stated she hates mary - yet all these mary haters keep slating her. makes no sense. the real person we should feel sorry for is Flo. she lived a very short life and was cast aside and bullied by berry. fact. but that's all past. as diana said - the motown family will always be the motown family. and they love each other.
Just because she comes across genuine and sincere, doesn't mean she is! She is a mischief maker, with a mega ego, who
resentful of how successful Diana's career is.
So Diana is a liar too?! Mary never said that but it was confirmed in this interview.
Mary always spoke the truth in these interviews
I used to think differently about Diana Ross, but now TH-cam is around and you can really see the true person, her delivery can really make a person feel happy and good, but the bad part is that it really wasn't.
You stopped drinking the Kool-aid. 😂
@@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy I don't touch the stuff.
You know her personally?
You should know not to believe everything you hear and read, lies are being told everyday, and it seems that you believe all of it.
"Barry probably believed in me more than I believed in myself". Diana Ross must have rewarded him for that belief every night.
You cannot deny the fact that Diana Ross is talented and worked her butt off!
@Ken: The Internet Boy ..I'm laughing out loud
When I purchased Ross's music, I never thought or cared about who she was fucking. I liked the music and her voice. Frankly, If he gave up the pussy to get ahead, so what? She isn't the first woman to do this. Hell, a lot of housewives have sex when they're not really wanting it, just to get bills paid.
@Ken: The Internet Boy n u really think that had something to do with that melodious voice. That was a gift from God Ken
@@solovoyager They are usually married to that man.
I saw an interview where Diana Ross said she was not in love with Berry Gotdy, so shows you what sort of person she was back then
Rest in Peace Mary Wilson:(
money should be nothing for Diana Ross after all her career success.Why she could not give equal pay for once in life time to members of the group.and any way she is still the richest of the Supreams.
Actually what people don’t understand is that Diana was going to make that money on the back end. The producers shared their profit points with her in exchange for a salary which means she wasn’t guaranteed that money whereas the money the girls were getting was guaranteed. Diana wasn’t getting paid upfront like they were. She wasn’t the producing entity (even though she inserted herself and doubled the 2nd offer). This was a no start fight actually and it is hard to believe that Mary didn’t know this.
Mary Wlson was not the only one, who said Diana was difficult So Maryy was not to far off! All this talk of love seems neither knew what the word meant! Berry shouldv'e had made Flo lead .and added Cindy! Berry played a part ,i believe so. He needed Diana to shine by herself.Maybe flo wouldv'e gave Diana a run for her money. If Mary Wells did noy mess up, there would be a whole different story of Motown as to who was the real queen. I do love Diana and she's great! Love you still Mary and Flo 4ever supreme! Now the fight is over! Many more blessing Diana.
Mary gave the right response as to the amount. After all these years it should have been an even split at this point in their careers. No matter the amount. Unfortunately, very awkward for both of them. RIP Mary and Flo....
It should not have been split. Diana was the draw. If it had just been Mary they would not have come. Diana was always the draw.
@@sandywright-leonard5238 I didn't go because Mary Wilson wasn't there; hence why the tour failed and was canceled, in my opinion. True, the pay should not have been equally split as Mary herself eluded, but more of a fair offer should have been made and not so insulting with her being a founding member. When I hear Diana Ross sing Supremes songs in her solo career, it's just not the same without hearing the voices of Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson singing along with her voice. Diana singing Supremes songs alone does not do it for me, except for Love Child which did not include Mary nor Flo, and also which I really never cared for back in 1968, but I must say I came to like it within the past decade since it's been altered to have this Latin feel to it and her backup singers contributing a lot to the song that is not on the original recording; just stick to the solo stuff that she made hits for herself, not Suprmees stuff without the authentic backing of Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard who helped create the sound of the Supremes and put them on the map.
It was never going to be an original supremes tour with out flo. So people got what they wanted by staying away. The good news is Diana Ross carries on... I saw her lat year in a sold out UK arena tour and I will see her at the Royal Albert Hall. Yes I would have loved to have seen the Supremes tour.... but all you true supremes fans had your way.
No matter how much people keep talking about Ross' successes compared to the other Supremes, I keep falling back to the advantages of her sleeping with the boss. It's like the Wiz, where that should have been Stephanie Mill's part in the movie. If that movie wasn't produced by Motown and Gordy, would you say that Ross earned that part? Or Mahogony. She was sleeping with the director of that movie--Barry Gordy. Would Ross's career been different if she didn't have that "ace in the hole"? Because it not only helped build her career, but she also used it to ruin others. So who controls the narrative? The person with the most money usually. That's why I don't knock Wilson for writing her book. It was HERS and Flo's group also and once Ross and Gordy took that step, it was all survival time from there. The shits and giggles are over.
Yes, another video showed how Whitney Houston said while making Cinderella she decided not to play the role of Cinderella because she was too mature so she chose Brandy, she said Diana was too mature to play Dorothy in the Wiz but like you said you're the Boss Baby mama so lol
Early Motown groups usually had all lead singers; Supremes had three; the Temptations had five. The Marvelettes utilized Gladys Horton and Wanda Young. Early Supremes recordings featured all three singers. Florence is featured prominently on these recordings, and in the many tours they made around the world. After three years on contract with no hits, Supremes were scheduled to be dropped from the company. They got their first hit in 1964. With a winning formula, Berry decided that Diana Ross would do all leads. Knowing that, Florence and Mary knowing their solo spots were cut, should have talked with writers, producers and ultimately, Berry on what their options were. They needed to make a business decision! Luckily, Mary wasn't stupid enough to rebel to the point of being fired. Florence decided to show up drunk onstage, skip rehearsals, stick a fat stomach out of a too tight pantsuit; ultimately being ousted.In her general release she received only 164,000.00 dollars fot nine years of work; was offered a solo contract by Motown, and refused it! I don't care who's sleeping with who...you are under contract, find out what your options are! She made one mistake after the other!
Diana Ross we dont hate you we dont like how you stepped over so many people and greed ,and pushing The Other Surpremes out of The Lime Light , One time you said -Diana ,Florence wanted to lead the group we later found out you and Barry pushed her out of the group , Mary has held the group together with strong glue ,Mary Wilson your a true legend ad your greatly missed Rest in Peace.
Mary is so classy.
Fact is if you are part of a group and then one member starts sleeping with the boss the power dynamics are going to change. That was a calculating move on the part of Diana Ross. Everything about her success and all that doesn't change the fact that there is and will always be that hanging over her head. She was just too mercenary.
It doesn’t matter.
So you say ..."Why do I think I know Mary that much?" ... Mary and I share the same birthday! ....
In spite of everything that finishing school training that Berry made all the Motown roster attend back then (so that they knew how to walk and talk and present themselves as "class acts" -- not just on stage but off) paid off in spades. Watching the various interviews in this clip (btw, thank you to the poster and whoever put these clips together --it's fascinating and many probably have never seen the interviews like myself) and the minefield of questions that were asked of them, more than a few of those queries could've set either woman on a tirade against the other, but both Wilson and Ross answer them with elegance and intellect, while at the same time not sugar coating the issues. We could all use some of that "Motown finishing school" nowadays because there are too many people out there with no class.
Yes! The finishing school by Maxine Powell was very influential in how we've seen them as professionals over the years. I saw the Motown special on showtime from this year and HDH said the girls were rough when they first came to Motown. And Diana was a tomboy
@@glam2gobeauty811 what was the Motown special? I got rid of cable so I don't have Showtime :( Was it new?
@@ah4856 It's on TH-cam for free. It's called Hitsville.
@@benjaminjackson9449 Thanks for the tip Ben. :)
Most of the timult people attribute to them are just in the minds of gossiping fans trying to make the case for their favorite. Mary lived a good life she had a successful career. She wasn't bitter people want her to be. Give it a rest!
You must be new here. No one wanted them to be enemies. People have wanted them to make up for years, but there were obviously things that happened when they were young that Mary wasn't able to get past. She's written about it in her books and she talked about it in a lot of interviews. It is what it is. The fans didnt create this feud. It was already there since their youth.
Mary was bitter as he'll, but you think that she gonna admit it,HELL NO SHE NOT,BECAUSE IT WOULDNAD. MAKE HER LOOK
I'm sorry but Mary was more beautiful! This woman was gorgeous!
Agreed. Mary was more beautiful. But Diana had that je ne sais quoi.
@@fredericobaami I don't know I think you have that if that's you in the pic! Your hot! Lol!
@@kennethhughes70 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Thank you! 😘
Shame on Mary Wilson for seducing someone young enough to be her son...temptress😇
Kenneth Hughes I’m sorry that Mary couldn’t sing and have talent like Diana Ross to be a Superstar!
Diana Ross should be made things right with Mary
Mary and Florence too ..I am a Detroiter and I think that I am still fuming over that concert Diana did for New York...
Diane Needed To Make Things Right A Long Long Time Ago With Florence Ballard.
A little too late now!
All three of you ladies talk about Diana should've could've , needed, to get things right . Here's one truth and that truth is no one has the other side of the situation , the other side of the coin if you will. So to say with do much finality ,so much vigure and verve Kara Jones, Donna Richards ,Stacy Nelson Robbin Quincy, if you. Want a fare justice one you'll each of you in your writing insinuate the injustice all three of you claim Diana did to her group members you are now doing that same injustice to Diana and the sad part about it , is all three of you'll are standing on just one side of the situation with incomplete information . Question? What happened to impartial justice all around the whole situation and not just Mary's version,or so gossip you read or heard !! Lack of all pertinent information coming from Diana and all others can you in all fairness can you be so definite in your stance against one or even the other .
@@brianwoods9741 You are absolutely correct. I didn't go to Cass tech, I didn't live in the projects, nor was I ever signed to Motown.What I will say ,is that based on the various interviews, news and actions i seen displayed over the years I have a right to believe what I choose to believe as do you .I will gladly subscribe to your channel that you have that dispels beliefs..
they were just childhood friends that became famous, there where groups that were sisters and brothers that didn't always get along, so they split up and move on. until they wants to make up and preform together, they should just keep their distance. it will be hard to fake something that isn't there. the fans will see through it. sometimes it's best to let things be. maybe someday they will really be together.
It's way too much energy to hold on to old grudges...It will kill you and your spirit
@@cassie101 Diane made sure Mary and Florence would never forget Diane is the Star. Diane had to backstab. How Else could she get Mary and Florence out of her way. Mary Wilson fought to retain the Supremes Title and she did. Brava Mary Wilson!
@@cassie101 Mary Wilson Isn't holding the grudge! Diane went underhandedly full force and backhandedly got Mary and Florence Out of her way. Diane's actions not only dissolved the supremes but intentionally provoked its founder Florence Ballard to heartbreaking death. Mary Wilson IS lovingly decently in much admired LadyLike fashion keeping her true friend Florence Ballard's Supreme Legacy Alive.
@@stacynels4
Mary admitted she definitely held a grudge against Diana and did not speak to her for years also blamed her for their Break up....I think, that energy should be towards Berry Gordy and his sexual relationship with Diana as a married man who obviously decided to put more into Diana than the other members who were equally talented, but Berry Gordy cheated Mary Wells and many other artists and Mary out of 💰
@@cassie101The only casualty as Diane kept the seriousness of her longtime energetic grudge against Florence Ballard Was the death of Florence Ballard.
rip mary
She was so insistent she weren't gonna dog Diana out in these interviews. Gotta be real though Diana was absolutely stunning.
When Diana says, "Mary is singing my songs......that's my voice." What the heck does she mean by that? Was she implying Mary was lip syncing during a performance? I don't get it. How does the song belong to Diana? We clearly hear Mary's voice at her shows, which is much lower than Diana's.
That statement bothers me more than anything else said in this interview. I have seen DR state the same words in other interviews as well, that MW is singing "her" songs for years. Last I checked, MW was a founding member of The Supremes! Every once in awhile, DR let's that veil slip and her true self comes through. Oh well, she is talented and I enjoy her music regardless 😊
In no good Diana mind she was the only one out there Mary can sing those songs because she was on every song Diana stinks when will people grow up about her
Mary had went around singing some of Diana’s solo stuff
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Awwe Mary and Flo RIP
She was stunning. Beauty queen status.
Mary was so beautiful😍
@@twalston01 Yup she was. Always thought she was the best looking of the three
They have a complicated relationship going way the hell back.
Yes, Mary did take a lot of shots at Diana in Dreamgirls, and to a lesser extent in Someday Well Be Together. However, she didn't really tell her secrets. Mary didn't bust out Diana had a kid with Berry and was fucking the boss. She also didn't tell that Diana's first lay was Eddie Kendricks when they was going together, and that Berry Gordy shit on his solo career because Diana still was trying to get at him after she was with him.
Mary did throw a lot of shade, but she didn't tell ALL THE REAL DIRT. She aired a little on herself (like Tom Jones), but she didn't dwell in it. She kept it level. Even in the second book she didn't go into as much juicy detail as she could have, especially when her husband cut her ear off from freak tales he heard about her at parties (which she lightly mentions).
Their complicated strained relationship starts with the death of Florence Ballard, and Diana showboating that funeral. They were young, dumb, and doing stupid ass decisions, but truth be told Diana gave her some of that RCA money to help her when her husband and her divorced so Mary and her godchildren would be straight. The shove at the Motown thing was long overdue - Diana was in her serious self feelings about Dreamgirls and Mary, not thinking, didn't let her preview the book and then the play came out and it was nasty.
But when Mary had her quadruple bypass and when she had the car accident that messed her up and killed her son Rafael, Diana was all up in it. They sisters that hate each other half the time, lol.
ABM - the play, "Dreamgirls' came first and then came Mary's book. Mary loved Dreamgirls so much that she named her first autobiography, Dreamgirl: My Life As a Supreme after the musical.
@Alain Quartermaine I said they are like sisters. I think its a given we all know they ain't blood related. But how DARE you call Mary a snake when Diana was fucking the boss and popping out illegitimate kids with him and he was MARRIED? The fact of the matter is, had Florence Ballard not been raped this story might would have went differently, because Berry was digging on her first.
@@valvacious2793 You are correct but J Randy Taraborrelli said that the idea for the book was being shopped as early as 1980, and that Mary had told most of the first part of that story around the NYC circles, so it isn't that far stretch of the imagination to think she wouldn't have been in the Michael Peters circles and gave it inspiration.
They are "family" and stuff happens. I read the book and came away not hating any of them. Mary told her story from her perspective and yes kept a LOT of Diana's "dirt" buried....right along with Florence Ballard - in the ground. They love each other more than we will ever know.
@@articulatemadness I don't think the Supremes would have been huge as they were if Florence was the lead singer. It was Diana's unique voice that made the group so famous. She has a good pop/rock voice that is instantly recognizeable.
Guess what, Diana always had killer instinct. That is why she is a superstar. She also had the most unique voice, it was different it was fresh it was bird like and it’s tone and pitch cut above the bad base of a radio station. She was fresh and timely as the African-American singers that were now becoming popular were more innocent sounding less angry church. Mary is a beautiful woman but she made a lot of money off of dissing Diana. If any of us had a friend who did that we would not be friends. Mary has had plenty of time to become a star in her own right and it hasn’t happened. That tells you why Barry Gordy put Diana out front. She was always meant to be a star.
Yes, yes and YES on EVERYTHING you said, Kreatures 100!
You are naive.. if you think only having talent gets you to stardom…there a thousands if not millions who were more talented than all the supremes who never had a shot… DR was in the right place at the right time and took her destiny in her own hands. But Mary and flu/birdsong could have song lead on a few on songs…even Ringo and George Harrison song lead at times…I would think that DR should have insisted on such an idea to Berry her lover for the sake of the other girls inclusion and relevance in the group. So you can’t blame Mary for expressing her experience after getting burned.
@@leftofcenter4 silly response. What happened to the other 30 years? Mary never became a star. She was never destined for it. Flo was a sick woman with a drinking problem that was out of control. Even Mary schemed to get her out of the group. Diana had hits every decade up until her senior citizen age. She had hits post Motown selling to Universal and then moving to RCA. And As far as their brief relationship Berry was screwing every beautiful starlet woman in town. Where is their big bright shiny star. Diana also sold out the forum and Hollywood bowl and radio city music hall. Mary could never even book those places. It’s like Destiny Child. Beyoncé was the only true star. The others had their moments but never caught fire.
@@Kreatures100 ignore that guy, he's known for trolling towards other people, he's done it to me
@@bigolebot thx I don’t mind his low IQ missives at all. Bring it on lol.
I have twice read the book and firmly believe that Diana Ross had absolutely NO problem with being placed ahead of the other girls and I feel it didn't matter that
Gordy and Motown management could have shed @ least a little light on the other girls while simultaneously maintaining
the artistic integrity of the group.
What was the beginning song or talk
"What I did for Love" from the Broadway play "A chorus line"
Haha when Ms. Ross said she was singing my songs
Right lol. That spoke volumes and gave credence to Mary's claim that Diana has always wanted everything for herself.
Right. That was a huge Freudian slip she made there. She exposed herself.
Ms Ross made it sound -- when she said "my songs" -- as if she COMPOSED the lyrics and music to all of their hits. Sorry Diana it was HDH who wrote those hits, NOT you! Ross can only claim that her voice was on those records, nothing more.
Y’all where in the timeline did Diane say that she was singing her song’s? Found it 18:40
Of course Diane was gonna get Berry. No man is gonna turn down a much younger woman
Diana Ross wasn't his first choice. He was rebuffed by Flo Ballard.
These ladies are legends indeed!! But Diana’s ambition was perceived negatively. I don’t care about her personal life. Diana’s talent and star power are what have catapulted her to individual legendary status. Mary was and is gorgeous and talented but it’s as the old saying goes, “When you got it, you got it.” Diana definitely has IT. There are always two sides to every story.
Either one of them could have been that star Supreme, there was nothing exceptionally special about Diana, she was the least attractive, she was the weaker singer, so it just depend on who seduce Barry first.
When you are young and naive you do and say stupid things...Diana was that. Nevertheless, she maintained her stardom. I will always love me some Diana and all the Supreme members.
Cass L Yeah exactly and doing it in front of the whole world 🌎!
No she’s just a narcissist
Diane stabbed in the back and killed Florence Ballard so noone would finally hear for themselves the greater voice belonged to Florence. Florence put the Supremes Together Named Them And Would Have shared vocality., Diane waanted nothing to do with friendahip and DID sellfishly cut in line being the natural bully that she still is today.
Diane Ross is a Snobb opportunist, HYPOCRITE and liar. Plus slept with Berry Gordy who was married at the time. That's called infdelity.
First of all, thank you for this video ❤
Both had ups and downs, and unfortunately things didn't happened the way we wanted. Mary and Diana need to have a conversation and get things right.
I love Mary, I love Diana, I'll always dream of seeing them together one last time. Diana doesn't seems angry or bitter after all that drama, and I think Mary regrets some things, and still thinks of Diana as a sister. We have already seen them together, and they kept it classy.
I think the so called "fans", should do the same and rest the case! It looks like some of us are still living in 2000! I see +50 years old people going crazy, and acting like angry teenagers, and that's horrible.
I want the best for them, even if we don't get that reunion. I just want them to be happy, and nice to each other.
And even if that never happens, I'll always be thankful for their music, and contribution for the music industry ❤
*Thank's again for this video*
Now that was very well said, and I couldn't agree more.
No one could have said it better. God bless you.
I formerly worked in the funeral industry & one of my favorite sayings was:
"WHEN ONLY MEMORIES REMAIN,
LET THEM BE BEAUTIFUL"!
At this point Diana has long moved on....She's not at all interested!
Agree, but why would diana be bitter or angry about anything?
@@slimtee2 Diane is bitter hateful and vengeful Mary nor Florence would not bend down and kneel before her.
6:10 it's a lovely heartfelt speech by diana. she seems to genuinely mean those words "send the love out to mary wilson especially" . i feel that is genuine
@Spanky Applegate well there is anger for a good reason, although I wouldn't say Mary is especially angry - more frustrated and hurt due to the fact Diana Ross has all but forgotten her legacy at Motown with Mary & Flo.
Diana obviously does not need to re-live those days because she has had huge success.
But she was still a selfish Diva who ruined Florence Ballard's career. That's fact.
@Spanky Applegate well said I loved Florence but she was a drunk and obnoxious short tempered and promiscuous and her own family have said so but she had valid reasons for her demons.
@@ginacable5376 well i'd say the majority of Flo's resentment and anger in the end was down to the fact Berry was bullying her (calling her fat and giving her orders) and Ms "Perfect" Ross just stood by and watched it. There is absolutely no doubt Diana had one focus back then - to become a huge star - she even discussed this with Mary about her future in the group - and in the end Diana walked over everyone to get where she is today. Some would call that a strong, determined powerful woman - I'd say that's partly true, but she was also a bit of a selfish cow in the process. She did not care one iota who she stomped over and hurt in order to achieve major stardom. Flo was a victim. End of debate.
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You just gave the very same description that fits Diana Ross!
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I just wanna know of the four womens in minute 1:23 are Flo, Mary, Cindy and Diana?
The four women are Diana Mary Cindy and Jean Terrell . A photo taken on the night of the farewell concert, when Diana left the group and Jean joined as the new lead singer, in January 1970.
Thanks Mary Wilson for telling the truth
That's her truth! Not THE truth!
William Mials ....”you’ve got Berry Gordy Eyes....”. 🎵
Mary Wilson is 2 faced liar and her jealousy of Diana Ross is overwhelming.I hope Mary Wilson gets her solo career off the ground.
@@selfishone6634 What makes you say Mary Wilson is speaking the truth, where's your proof?
Mary Wilson has in past tried to launch a solo career,
brought out an album or two, but flopped. You may
love her voice, but it's not special enough to appeal to
the majority.
@@harsharnsandher1363 yea she's speaking the truth. And here's a quote from people magazine dated April 11th, 1983. Some front row denizens loudly discussed the fact that Diana Ross, who appeared to shove Mary Wilson during reach out and touch, had a run in her stocking. The people magazine article was published in 83 and Mary didn't publish her book til 86. She's telling the truth
The Supremes would have never reached the level of success they reached without Diana Ross becoming the lead singer. They made the right decision, it was not her fault; she was just born with an special voice and an unique talent. Mary was an amazing singer but would have always been eclipsed by the comparison. This happens frequently in many groups/bands.
Maybe one day the world will understand that without DIANA as lead, they wouldn't have went nowhere....FACTS...FACE IT.
which special voice does Dianna Ross have, the one of Mickey Mouse's sister?
@@triadafillos1 the voice that made her win 7 American Music Awards, 2 Grammys, and countless other awards, besides being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and included in the Guinness in 1993 as the Most Successful Female Singer of All Time.
@@triadafillos1 betcha it's better than that TRAP you got....
@@rubenlopezusa all this is the result of clever marketing, superb song writers and producers, and an intense huge promotion, and if course hard work of the artist. I think this achievement have nothing to do with talent.
The Supremes I have always found fascinating in that they were a case study in Pop Culture. As a member of the Motown Museum I hear lots of stories when at certain events. Obviously some you have to assume are second hand. But you realize that Gordy knew people and came from a family that understood business. Diana came from a family that valued education and she knew what she wanted and probably saw the big picture better than Florence and Mary as well. Mary seemed to be a team player who was In most people’s opinion the most glamorous. Florence although beautiful as well seemed to resent having to put in the work especially with Gordy being smitten with Diana. One of the Holland brothers said he felt one of the songs was perfect for Mary but Gordy made it clear Diana was going to see it. I’m sure this bothered Mary but she soldiered on. I met a lady at the museum who was a staffer at the Motown 25 event and she talked about the incident between Mary and Diana on stage. To me it showed not only the lengths Motown would go to protect not only their image, but Diana’s as well. But it also showed Diana wouldn’t let anyone stop or upstage her and didn’t mind public embarrassment when she felt threatened.
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, and in such a compassionate and articulate way. I won’t reveal my age, but as I grow older and older, I started to believe I would never get a definitive explanation of what really happened during the Motown 25 event - your wonderful comment is the first time I can honestly say I believe what I am reading. The things I have read online over the years are so different, and sometimes so fantastical, I truly believed I would never get a feeling of the truth. THANK YOU for sharing what the Motown 25 staffer told you with us, but most of all, your psychological assessment of Diana not allowing herself to back down, to the point of embarrassing herself does really fit a few moments I have caught on TV interviews, flashes of tension or frustration (Telling Shirley McLaine off on the UK Chat Show ‘Aspel & Co’ as an example). I know Mary wore a bright red dress at the Motown 25 event, I also know Mary wouldn’t allow Diana to perform ahead of her and Cindy… I could see from the edited broadcast that Diana is frustrated and there is tension (her pointing at Mary and Cindy’s heads seems tense and ungenerous) - but if I could implore you, please could share a little more of what the Motown 25 staffer told you about that night. What was cut from broadcast? What was it Diana reacted to, and what was it Diana actually did? You’re the first person I’ve come across that knows someone that was there, and is connected with the Motown establishment. Please help us clear this up, I really hope you’ll reply! My best wishes, a Supremes fan of many years, Al
@AH. according to her she believed Diana was assert her influence behind the scenes with many and of course people relented. She said her coming on stayed with Adam Ant was not originally planned but did it anyway. She said with Mary the tension was there leading up to the moment and Diana had definitely did not want Mary’s history profiled in any way. Onstage Diana became angry when Mary waved or blew a kiss when Gordy was mentioned and that’s when Diana shoved her. She said you could hear the audience respond. Of course that was edited out but she told the next time I watch it notice Smokey come out which according to the staffer was not planned it seemed that like he could see what was coming and came out to ease the tension and keep things on track. The funny thing is when I watched it from that perspective the tension was clear. TH if you get a chance you should visit the museum I’m sure you’ll have a great time…
@@ccth22 I was lucky enough to have seen The Supremes as they were originally the week after they aired on Andy Williams, on February 4,1967. I was 19. They sang all of their hits which were many. They also sang other songs and performance that I was familiar with and was part of their show. Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Diana Ross-The Supremes. They were really great.
I met Mary May 9,1998. I told her she was still the sexy one, the way Diana Ross introduced her to the audience. Then I hugged her and tearfully said "I love you" I didn't plan that, it just happened. As I raised my head up off her shoulder, she kissed me. She had a mist in her eyes. I had tears rolling down my cheeks. She knew I cared more about her than her being a celebrity. Then got her autograph. I talked with her as she gave out autographs to others. Eventually I took her hand and gradually let go as I said goodbye. She smiled and said goodbye to me. Rest in Peace pretty girl. You are with God now and with Flo. I will always love you.
So you want to read Diana's mind? ...
Let me tell you! ... it's all in the eyes!
Question reaction:
Left or right: forget that. Throw that away. Ignore that. No not the truth.
Up or down: remember the answers.
The right answer. The answer that leaves me neutral. In the clear. Etc.
I always thought that the name change was what became the beginning of the end of the Supremes as we knew them from their inception up until Diana Ross’s departure in 1970.
Now, true that Ms. Ross was the lead on all those 12 #1 singles and 6 top 10 singles. She had the distinct voice. But this group, founded as the Primettes, was the Supremes. They all went in as equals. But when Gordy changed the name of the group to “Diana Ross and the Supremes”, with making more money as the excuse, it definitely changed dynamics of the group. The Supremes became nothing more than backup singers like the Raylettes or Ikettes. If they had been rechristened as, say, “The Supremes, featuring Diana Ross”, as bitter a pill it might’ve been for Florence and Mary to swallow, at least it still would’ve given prominence to the group’s name, and at the same time, not only given Diana the credit she deserved but emphasized that she, too, was still a Supreme from that 1967-1970 period.
Men like berry goody create situations without any concern for the people involved all he cared about was himself and how to get what he wanted. I bet no one could tell him any thing about his behaviour if they wanted to keep their jobs he may have a lot of money but he's old now and not so powerful end of the line for him.
OMG....WINK!!! @ the 7:50 mark, look at Wendell (I called him Wink) asking that question!!!! What an absolute joy to see you here!! I SO remember when this aired on Kelly & Company!! I'm still missing you to this day!!! Rest in Power, my friend!!!
Mary was such a contradiction of herself. I’m not sure if it was intentional, or delusional. Relationships don’t usually last forever. Acceptance of what is, is always best. True peace comes from letting go of what no longer brings you happiness.
Mary will always be receptive to Diana outside of business! Otherwise Mary does not know if Diana won't strike out negative at her! And she knows that the more strikes that are directed at her, the further it may drive her away! So! It's like ..."if I don't know for sure, that you want to see me then, I am not going to show up!" ....
Hi edagdwg thanks for sharing this story of what happens when you have a real life of singing about true love these women had a great time singing about love and joy being yourself is real stay together as a group God gave them the voices to enjoy life Linda j. Peace ☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️🦋🌈🦋🦋🦋🌈
Not part of the the anti-Diana camp, I miss the FRIENDSHIP that these women that "came out of the house together" had though they did become successful.
I think the reality is, they came n2 the group as GIRLS. People 4get that. How many of us have all the same exact friends we came n2 our 1st job with? I think time, career, & life set them apart as with many of us n the world. I believe Berry Gordy played a huge part n the demise of the group. I'm with u. I'm not part of the anti-Diana camp either. I think people need 2 blame some1. She's not the 1. They were still going strong after she left. She wouldn't have been where she is had she stayed. The group (not the girls n particular) kept her n a box.
Diane Broke that friendship!
@@stacynels4 Absolutely Right
Percentages-If I do well proves she banking off the gross than the others would have.
That's actually smart. Tom Hanks did it 4 Forest Gump. He initially would've gotten 12-20 million. The movie did great, he got more than he would've. This is a business above anything. The person that's more bankable is going 2 get the most. It's not going 2 b spread evenly. Dianna's career vs Diana's career...Diana has the bigger career. We love them as a collective, but business is business.
@@mistermilkman Well, it buys into MW still would be better if DR/MW admit JT contributed highly to the legacy too!
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Your so very right about that. Mary should’ve taken the 4 million but still could’ve negotiated for having a certain percentage herself. Granted it would not have been as much as Di’s. Shoot I would’ve took it myself!
Mary Wilson I Love you RIP . “ The Supreme “. Diana Ross push Mary Wilson at The Motown 25, they cut that part out said Mary Wilson.
Everyone knews Diana was push forward and why . The Supreme didn’t see what was coming. Diana could had asked Motown to help her friends knowing what was done to them. Saying they were not friendly toward her at the end of the group. In The Motown play it shows Mr Berry and Diana in bed together. Everyone at Motown knew already. Her first daughter is Mr. Berry. Mr Berry stop The support for The Supreme!
2 to 3 million is not insulting 0 is more insulting what im saying is thats an expensive way to prove a point
Diana Ross was obviously a ambitious power hungry person who would do or step on anyone to get what she wants. This wasnt only Mary Wilson and Flo Ballard's experience, but Gladys Knight, Martha Reeves, David Ruffin, Patti Labelle, and a host of other Motown acts ....so everyone's note making things up about Diana Ross
@@mic6434 Mic Ill tell you how, her objective was to screw the married boss to gain attention and power (something a person with real talent wouldnt have to do). Then when she screwed her way into position she started treating her other group members and the other female member's at Motown (and or on tour) said by Martha Reeves, Gladys Knight, and even Patti Labelle....like crap! (and this is coming from people who were there and had the Diana experience, not by fans looking on from the outside) If that wasnt enough when the Motown play came to Broadway in NY (the same play that Berry and Diana sat in the audience and watched) there was a reference in the play where when Diana went solo and The Supremes continued on with Jean Terrell , how The Supremes continued on getting number 1 hits and Diana's solo career stalled. Diana complained to Berry Gordy how she was not happy about their success and her career on being stalled, and that's when Berry begin to stop promoting the Supremes and their music(and if that wasnt true with Diana and Berry siting in the audience, Im sure they would have got sued) Trust me it was Diana who was the jealous insecure one, that's why she felt she had to sleep with the boss to get where she wanted to go, and that's why her and Berry decided to push beautiful Mary Wilson and Flo Ballard all the way to the back, because with them standing equal , no one would pay much attention to the anorexic bug eye Ms Ross....and that's the truth.
@Jude Fenwick Hello there Jude! yes thats exactly right, and I just dont understand how people can be so blind to the obvious. Jude I can like someone very much, but thats not going to blind me from the truth of who that person really is. Just like her stage act, Diana is very staged, rehearsed, and calculating in her interviews....they reek of insincerity and just plain old fake B.S.! Its just a real sad story when you think of how she and Berry treated Florence Ballard, and also sad how so many really talented signers like Jean Terrell (who sings circles around Diana) and Scherrie Payne, who were sabotaged and suffered because of Diana and Berry strategies of evil.. its just terrible.
Educate yourself!
Although Patti never was in any way associated with Motown. Patti's run ins with Diana was as rival girl girls before the Supremes made it big when both groups were on the so called chitlin circuit. At the Apollo for example, Patti's group was more popular n you know Miss Ross can't stand being upstaged lol.
No Credibility! Patti was never with Motown! And at that point, Berry Gordy pulled all strings! And kept most of the money!
Sounds like she'd walk over anyone 2 get what she wanted with her shot callin Sugar Daddy The look of guilt reigned Supreme in Diana's eyes with her I, me, my vengeful attitude & tour failed. Amazing how the Motown artist were all broke except Berry, Smokey & Diana.
I love all the Supremes Mary, Diana, Florence and Cindy. It's really sad that things turned out so bad for Florence,
I wish Mary, Diana and Cindy the best. I saw Mary, Diana and Florence the first time when they were traveling with
the Dick Clark show when they were known as the "No Hit Supremes" at Motown.....that was right when
WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO when to #1. It's a big world, and there's room for everyone.
1sr time i saw the girls was at the shapiro athletic center at brandise university in Waltham mass. In 1965. I was fifreen and tickets,were $5 . 55 yrs ago come february!!!!!!!
@@petercasella2663 I think that's about what the ticket price was when I saw them. I was a senior in high school. That Dick Clark show was really exciting!
@@petercasella2663 My picture here is with the Supremes Mary Wilson. I've met her several times, and I'm always star struck.
Florence made her own bed! That's All!
@@williammials6080 I think it was such a huge adjustment for all of them to go from living in the projects to becoming international stars. It's not unlike the stories you hear of big lottery winners who are bankrupt after a few years. Still a sad story.
After seeing her on DFTS I’m going to read her book again. I would say it the first book of throwing “SHADE”! Diane Ross has been Diana way longer than she was Diane. But Mary refuses to call her anything but Diane. Funny to me.
Yea that is really annoying and phony that she calls her Diane. She is trying to say she knows the real person that Diana is ,but it gets annoying after awhile.
@@punkanellylovejoy702 Yea, your right
@@johnnymfan5065 How is that annoying? If your name is Johnny ... and then you decide to call yourself Jonathan ... do you think the people who have known you as Johnny are going to call you "Jonathan"? Theyknow you as Johnny. That's just how it is.
Exactly. My brother is known as Adrian when we were kids but today they call him James. I do not and will not call him James. Not because I know the real Adrian but because that's what I am use to saying.
@@AlbertaLC1 Preach! These fools want to convict Mary for being shady or whatever. Puhleeze. I saw an interview back in the day wherein Diana calls herself "Diane." Personally, I think the name change was actually Berry Gordy's idea. He's the one that was working overtime to make the Supremes all about her.
All the ladies are beautiful and gifted. I wish the discussion was done in private before the book... I don't believe ms Wilson accidentally didn't know her book would turn on ms Ross...
Nice ending
You can tell Mary was hurt, but she kept it nice, I wouldn't have.
Mary screwed up by not joining the reunion tour. The money was good and the exposure alone would have been priceless. Unfortunately, she let her resentment get the best of her and Cindy, who wanted to do it.
Thank you! $4 million dollars to just show up and sing. She is still talking about doing a reunion tour! That ship has sailed! Mary Wilson is such a liar! one minute she loves Diana Ross and then the next their feuding in her own words! She needs to go and sit her wishy washy ass down somewhere and have several seats. Diana was the one going out on tour, she was the one whose name guarantees a promoter and a venue. Mary Wilson couldn't get the janitor's closet if she put down a $500 deposit!
That's true. Mary should have thought about how us fans would have loved the reunion. I feel like Mary made us all miss out in a once in a lifetime opportunity. . Diana really comes out looking very good on the Barbara Walters interview.
@@robinquinc329 How insulting. "Just show up and sing." Mary Wilson has much seniority on Diana Ross as a Supreme. She knows and has the group's entire history, from its gowns to its choreography. They planned a whole show without asking for Mary's input even though she knows the Supremes far better than Diana or certainly the promoters. So many of you make the mistake of criticizing Mary about money. She made lots of money in the 1960s by "just showing up and singing." And she was miserable as a Supreme doing it -- after Flo left, they weren't even a group really, just Diana Ross with two background singers. Why in the world would she agree to return to misery, not to love?
@@lecuyerdooley1084 Mary wanted to be paid equal to Diana! It was Diana's star power/name that was able to secure the concert promoter! Mary has nothing to promote other than herself! Diana can go out on the road and do a whole show without once mentioning the Supremes! Mary only has the Supremes! Mary was offered $4 million up from $1 million and turned it down because she wanted more?! like DIana said, they could've offered her the moon and it wouldn't have been enough!
@@robinquinc329 Did you read my post? It wasn't about the money, periodt. It's a matter of respect. Diana, the promoters, and people like you assail Mary as being less than and treat her as such -- then expect her to just take that sort of treatment and be happy with whatever bone gets thrown her way? Puh-leeze. Mary wasn't having it. It's not 1968 and Mary does not have to tolerate that, no matter how much money is offered.
She didn't even sound like she wanted to talk to her. Yeah technically you dont owe anyone anything but sheesh thats hella cold😂
AWESOME, FAITHFUL AND TRUE KEEPER OF THAT DREAM INTO MANKIND'S HIGHEST EVOLUTION. WELL DONE, MS. MARY WILSON!!!!! SOMEDAY WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER, AGAIN, AND YOU THREE GIRLS DID YOUR PART AND DID YOUR PARTS INDEED!!!!! AND TALK ABOUT A LIVING, BLACK, AND BEAUTIFUL DOLL, THAT GIRL ( MS. MARY WILSON ) WAS SOOOOO, PRETTY!!!!! MADE FOR THE WORLD TO BEHOLD, THANK YOU, SUPREME LADIES.
Wow Ross is hated by so many and I understand why. RIP MARY AND FLO
As someone who’s 31 and doesn’t know the full history of the group. I did recently read Mary Wilson book Supreme faith. I also can tell that in the interview with Diana and Barbara, Diana is someone who is selfish, egotistical and prideful. Even Dionne Warwick said Diana is a different type of woman. Diana clearly said in the interview that those were her songs. How is it her songs when it was a whole group of other singers on there with her. So that in itself proves that she thinks it’s all about her.
They pushed her to do the things she couldn't help herself because she was told to be the way she was linda j. ☮️☮️☮️☮️🕊️🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🌹🌹🌹🌹💯💯💯
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Nobody talks about "Cindy Birdsong" the truly forgotten Supreme. Its a lovely name, and a very good name for a singer "Cindy Birdsong". Look Mary Wilson it takes drive to become a star. It takes more than being gorgeous & bedding a lot of men. Boo hoo it didn't work out for you. She was a jealous "B"---h this is nothing new. What about your flaws? Bet she didn't write about her affairs with John Lennon, Mick Jagger, Tom Jones & Barry Gordy all of whom were married. Mary Wilson aborted 1 baby and kept the other a secret. Who is he/she Mary? She should have talked about herself. How many times did she marry or get dumped? Were they famous? These are the kinds of things I want to read about stars. In any case she didn't write about herself & her life that's a dead giveaway that she is eaten up with jealousy. I'd rather learn more about Cindy Birdsong, the forgotten Supreme. I'd like to know more about Jeanne Terrell, another forgotten Supreme but easily, one of the most talented Supremes. Their POV is greatly needed to give a better picture of everything & the flavor of those times. All of the Supremes were pioneers.
Obviously you didn't read Mary's books. She never painted herself of being a saint by no means and yes she mentioned at least two married men she had affairs with Tom Jones and the Four Tops member Duke. Where on earth did you get John Lennon and Mick Jagger from? Those are the guys Ronnie Spector had flings with not Mary Wilson. Jealousy had nothing to do with Mary but for Florence or Cindy to never talk about the issues in the group Mary has and Diana did what she wanted for Berry Gordy let her. FACTS!
Why would he put her on the spot like that?