SHE WAS STUPID CAUSE SHE WAS VERY RUDE TO ME AS FAN AT DINNER. CONCERT. SNODDEN ME FOR BEING WHITE. SO YEAH. WE ALL GET STUPID. SHE HAD LOT MORE THEN I GET. COULDNT EVEN WAVE. SHE TOTALLY SANG TO FREIND WHO ALLREADY KNEW HER. GIVEN ME SNUG LOOK. I WAS HURT AND IN SHOCK. IDIOT
@Guy Grip-I’m sorry that she behaved that way towards you. If you’re able to please find it in your heart to forgive her. By doing so your anger at being mistreated will fade. The peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Hey Mary rest in peace sister.. I want you to know that all of your old Supremes hits have been remastered and released in 2021 on spotify where you can clearly hear you and flo singing. This proves that there were 3 voices on all those hits and that you were more then just a background singer. Rest now beautiful Mary.
The three voices were there yes you clearly don't know anything about music . The problem was Berry decided for obvious reasons Dianna would have all the leads . Thus relegating Mary and Florence to background singers . Eventually changing the name to Dianna Ross and the Supremes. Note well everyone at that time knew Florence was the best singer in the group.
I have seen The Supremes in early 1967 and I could hear all three voices loud and clear. They had three microphones, and nobody had messed with the mics. They put on a fabulous performance I will never forget. I was seated between Florence and Mary, but everybody could hear the three of them. They did mess with the mics on recordings in which Diane's voice would stand out. Months later when Flo left the group, I was somewhat confused, and their name was changed to Diana Ross and The Supremes. I didn't like this and I figured more was going on than they said. They made it sound as if Florence left on her own when she was fired. There was another time in which Diane screamed at some kids to "Go away, go away"!!!!. They went at for a long time and I stayed out of it. So did Mary and Cindy Birdsong. When it was time for them to go on stage for their second show, some policemen made us come down from the ramp and i said I still love you, but she laughed and said " there is always somebody in every crowd who still loves us" I was startled because she was so close to the window. I wanted to say more, but the police wanted me down, especially that gruff sergeant. I stayed around and listened to them after they left. It was a very good performance. I knew more about Diana Ross that night, but I still loved her. It still wasn't quite the same without Flo, but Cindy was a good replacement. There is more I didn't know until I read Mary's book. RIP Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson. PS I did meet Mary in May of 1998 and hugged her and got her autograph.
💯🙌🏾SO, SO TRUE🙌🏾💯‼️ I personally thought Flo was "okay" looking, nothing spectacular & I thought Diana Ross was/is a BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, she was just too, TOO thin during her time WITH the Supremes bcuz after that, when she left Motown & that scandalous Berry Gordy & all the pressure & overworking she endured, she looked sooo, SOOOO MUCH BETTER. So much so that by the time she did the central park concert, she looked amazing....☝🏾😑but, Mary hands down was & is STILL thee prettiest!!!
@@skygazer6898 I wonder what Diane Ross could have possibly ever done to cause such bitterness in Mary or anyone for that matter? 🤔 Such an unsolved mystery isn't it.
No, they are dated in the video. Check it yourself. Last ones 2000, 2013, 2016. She looks a lot better than Diana. In 2000 looks she is 35, in 2013 40 and 2016 45 She is 74, amazing. One of the women that shows less his age.
I know most people thought Florence was the prettiest, but Mary was the prettiest to me. Florence was beautiful, but in the USA, it seems like light skin is the best. Diana is pretty, but she was an entertainer. She didn't have the best voice, but knew how to entertain. Like Madonna, but she sings WAY better.
Let's be real...When the book came out, people already considered Diana Ross to be nasty. I don't think she is now. She comes off as VERY human now, but clearly she was ambitious to the point of taking no prisoners in her teens/20s. Mary didn't create that reputation she just talked about her experience with it.
She never came off as nasty on stage or in her interviews (then or now). He evil was always done offstage, not in front of a camera. So you'll have to catch her off stage to determine if she's changed or not. You can't judge by her onstage demeanor. But perhaps she's changed for all we know. Most people do.
@Kirby Kipling Ask Michael if the same applies to Hitler? Should we stop judging Hitler since we've never met him or talked to him one on one? I believe that statement applies to people like Michael, people who appear strange or weird or odd or eccentric or mad or something. And Michael actually wasn't weird, he was quite normal. I don't think this philosophy applies to likes of a Diane Ernestine.
@@danielrobinson9270 She would do it in such a sneaky underhanded nice way that fooled certain people but not all. Most could see right through her. She bad-mouth Diana until it was not Lucrative anymore in recent years.
"If she is embarrassed, then that is her situation". Thank you Mary Wilson for hitting the nail on the head. Not Mary's problem nor anyone else's issue, that Diane's rep was a self inflicted rep for being difficult, frankly antagonistic. I admire Mary Wilson for keeping her composer and professionalism in the height of tension instigated by Diane.
I read Mary’s book when it first came out, and I’ve read it over again, being a fan of The Supremes and Diana Ross, I found nothing shocking because fans already knew how Diana Ross was,that’s just her, Mary was just telling the story of their lives, I found it a great read, it didn’t change how I feel about Diana Ross,and really don’t understand why she got mad with Mary.
Fans did not know how Diana was...none of them knew her personally. You mean that had already heard the haters and believed it to be true cause they wanted to not because they had proof of it...Flo said she preferred Diana because she was up front. She said Mary was two faced....Mary got you guys thinking she is some sort of saint...she's a liar and has no integrity because she is willing to stab her childhood friend in the back for "coin"
Berry Gordy is the king of building up and dividing a group. Sadly there were too many weak minds in these groups to hold it together or at the very least mature to do the right thing
I saw a video years ago when the Supremes were live on stage during the Ed Sullivan days and when the back up singers started getting to close to the camera Diana made her move to take center place over them, it was crazy! I thought as a team the playing field is netural!
There were no backup singers in THE SUPREMES..............all 3 women were the act! The backup singers, who were used on the recordings of most of the Motown artists were called The Andantes.
Sheryl Martin: Because history is history!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mary wants the truth to be told and there is still a public interest in the truth! The Supremes were incredibly POPULAR and the public still has an appetite for the GROUP's dirt. Diane's dirt is just a part of The Supremes' history.
She has insecurity issues. But ppl are blinded by the glamour. They can’t see her behaviour is sometimes like an insecure two year old who needs to be the centre of attention.. like all narcissists
A Diva will be a Diva till the end. I like The Supremes music, I like each individual ladies solo albums, and don't really pay much attention to what they had to do to get to the top. But I must say, Diana knew what she wanted early on and she knew getting knocked up by Berry Gordy would secure her future with him- having a child by him meant he would be tied to her till the end. As for Mary, she has every right to tell her version of their story. What I haven't heard mentioned about that big reunion tour was that the main reason it didn't happen was because Diana's plan was to have her, Mary and ?, sing a Supremes medley in the show (probably running about 20 - 25 minutes?), then Diana would have the rest of the show to herself. So Mary was right when she said the amount of money they were to get should be split fairly. Since that infamous reunion tour bombed so badly, I bet Diana wished she would have left her ego at the door.
You are absolutely correct. Diana's voice isn't that great. She's not good looking either. Mary is beautiful. She caused havoc because she was sleeping with Barry. He did not marry her. Left her as an unwed mother with a child. Common with most men. They all had voices but they weren't sleeping with Barry. She has issues to this day. Why?
@@UnknownUnknown-ig6ml R.I.P Mary! Have they announced her cause of death yet? It is safe to say Diana slept her way to success, but she married her first husband before she gave birth to Berry's daughter.
Wow that was quite Ignorant of you to say that, Mary doesn’t seem jealous of Diana Ross the least bit, if anything she stated how talented and ambitious Diana Ross was and stated many times how much she loved Diana, Mary is a beautiful legend in her own right, it’s mean spirited ppl like you who try to make things go from bad to worst, so sad, continued blessings upon Mary and her family ❤️🙏🏾
@@punkanellylovejoy702 Try not to be affected by other non factors. If you can't see it, you may not be looking. Some things don't need to be explained. It speaks for itself.
You seem to enjoy being a pot-stirrer though, in all of this. Why does their belief that there was perhaps some injustice in the group make you feel so insecure? I mean, why do you have to run around constantly defending a woman you don't know and a situation/situations in the 1960s that you were not even present for?? It's all so strange. They are in their mid 70s now. I'm sure they have come to terms with it in private. Again, just enjoy the music.
You can do both. You can enjoy the music and discuss the stars. It's a compliment to both Diana Ross and Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard that people care enough to still argue and fight over this after all these years. Most of the other groups are long forgotten.
@BeauBo M you say just enjoy the music? I did 50 years ago when I was a child. I'm fully grown now and have no need to listen to those old teenage love songs from the 60's. No Baby Love for me. I'd rather talk about the real ish in life like how to avoid backstabbers, manipulators, and greedy selfish people in life,
All Mary seemed to really want in the end was to reunite with Diana. “Someday We’ll Be Together” was more than a song for Mary; it was a goal. I don’t think Diana ever really saw her as much more than a childhood friend, honestly. I think The Supremes meant two totally different things to each of them. For Diana, it was her start. For Mary, it was her life. RIP Mary🕊
That’s how diana really was in those days in that time very ambitious and obviously insecure because many people say the same thing about her. They can’t be lying , in her own right she was a great artist she didn’t have to be that way.
Mary should have become a jazz singer after the Supremes. I think she would have been great, and it suits her voice. I never cared for her when she sang Diana's leads on Supremes songs. Songs like Floy Joy and Touch which were written with her voice in mind sound great. Ballads were especially her forte
I’m from Detroit, born and raised in Detroit. The people here respect Diana as a business woman, but not as a person. She was booed at Florence Ballard’s funeral, because of how she treated her when she was in the group and after she left the group, she wasn’t every kind to her family after she became successful, she was rude to the local people in the community and she doesn’t do much for the city. Diana is a superstar, and nobody can ever take that away from her. However, she doesn’t have very many friends in the industry and she doesn’t have much respect from the people in Detroit. If you ask anyone about the artist from the city they love I can guarantee you Diana Ross is at the bottom of that list.
Mary Wilson talks about Florence Ballard put she never invited Flo to come back to the Supremes after Diana left. I read the book Dreamgirl & Surpreme Faith and I am now reading Deliver Us From Temptations Diana Ross was a monster who got away with everything. Her and Mary was responsible for Florence's exit from the group.
@TheReturnofStephan1 thanks for responding never said Diana Ross couldn't sing and I know why Berry Gordy used her for the lead to sell records everyone knows that. I was voicing my opinion whether we agree or disagree. ☮️
@TheReturnofStephan1 you need to try to say what you have to say in shorter comments. No one is gonna read all that. I enjoy reading your little twist on how Miss Ross is innocent and why Mary is a liar, but I'm not gonna read all THAT!
People seem to forget that these girls were young. And as they grew into their own individual selves. There's bound to be jealousies & striff.. But, long story short.. They were and are sisters that share a very special time in history..
Many females have tried to find fame but Diana & Mary showed us how it's done. They will remain in our hearts forever along with our music collection of these great women. Mary has passed on and has her angel wings now but her songs both with the Supremes and her solo outing lives on and on forever.
I guess all the people talking negative things about Diana Ross here and everywhere else would reject a good job offer in order to please their friends. Berry Gordy was a businessman first and above all. He knew where the money was and who had the most marketable voice. 12 number one singles with the Supremes and 6 more as a solo artist plus an Oscar nomination and a gazillion of other achievements are proof of that. He believed in her more that she even believed in herself. Business is all about money so, their relationship was second to that. There are trains that only come once in a lifetime. If Diana Ross was a guy, we would be thinking of him as a powerful, important man instead of a bitch. Take that offer, you are not offending anyone. If you don't take it, another person will take it for you. They are not going to feel sorry for you, right? Life is hard so, if someone believes in you, don't deny that opportunity.
Are you her paid PR? Give it a rest. She deliberately WENT AFTER a married man to benefit HERSELF. She continued this pattern throughout her life. WEALTHY MEN-it's called prostitution. I feel sorry and have the utmost compassion for children and young women who are trafficked, I don't have any compassion for narcissists who are seeking fame and MONEY. Ross was not the most talented nor the most attractive and clearly not the best person; she was the one willing to sell herself-these are the types who make it in a perverse system. I would judge a man the same way. Gordy was disgusting to do what he did to his WIFE and Ross was and still is disgusting no matter how much she and her PR team try to spin the truth.
I was surprised how people took the book , I read the book wasn’t shocked about nothing because being a Supremes fan and Diana Ross fan , you know how she is, it didn’t change anything , that’s just Diana Ross. I didn’t understand why Diana Ross was upset about the book it’s no secret that she’s catty, but us fans still like her and all The Supremes.
Why these singers: Mary, Diana,Dion,Donna, Fergussion, Arita ,Tina and the like so articulate and intelligent black women, you never get bored listening to them.
Only singers know that background/ backup and help makes the song .Good for them for standing up and saying no. Prefect example is the group Kut Klose , understanding they have a lead singer but the killer background is what stands out.
Mary made a career of hating on Diana Ross her childhood friend. She stabbed Diana in the back even though Diana gave her a down payment on a home when she didn't have anywhere to go, but Mary left that out of the book because the point of the book was to play into people's dislike of Diana. Diana was the only reason anyone bought that book. And worst of all "she used Flo Ballard's tragic death like it was a career opportunity." She did more talking about how great Flo was and how she had this great voice which she didn't. She talked more about Flo then she spent time singing....A lot of you guys let your dislike of Diana make you not see the fakeness behind Mary's innocent victims image.
The truth is...from the very beginning, Diana Ross stood out in the Supremes. She was the one with the voice, the looks and also star quality...and she knew it.
I think she was more competitive but given an equal chance Mary would've gone to similar heights, except she didn't sleep with the married boss to achieve it. Most often it's the morality is what keeps good people from 'sardom'.
She has always given me Kelly Rowland vibes. But overall i think she was making great points throughout this video and seems to be aware of how things went and how things go. She understands Diana’s position & eagerness to be on top. She’s not happy about it, but it’s something she’s accepted and seems to be happy with herself
She made a life out of trashing Diana Ross, while Diana never said anything bad about her. Diana was the lead voice of the group since the very early begining, you can hear Diana's voice on their first recording hits in 1963. The Supremes with Flo or Mary as a lead voice, would never made a success, and she knows that. She still destroys the Supremes songs in her shows..it's so sad.
Unfortunately most of you that call yourselves Supremes fans are very one-sided with how you view things pertaining to the Supremes, Ms Ballard founded the group that would be the Primettes and there were 4 young girls at that time but when contracts were signed with Motown the Primettes became the Supremes and they were owned by Motown, so in essence the group didn't belong to any of the group members until the third name change Diana Ross and the Supremes, the group were called The No Hot Supremes until the song Where did our love go hit the charts hard, they didn't even have a album recorded as they were on a Hitsville tour and had to be flown back to Detroit to record a full album. I find it interesting how everyone knows exactly what took place over 50yrs ago and most weren't even born, everybody has a"friend" that worked at Motown or knew one of the Supremes or did makeup for someone and heard something no one else can verify, GTFOH
@@cbcb8898 u was asked a question about ur over the top comment that talked down to people but you can't answer. You need to try and remember that even on a comment board you need to be a little respectful to others and their points of view.
If you really listen to all of the ladies voices solo, you would really hear that Diana's voice was the best voice for the material that they produced. Flo was bluesy, Mary was soulful. But Diana's voice meshed best with the pop soul they were famous for.
That presumes that they could only be successful with pop material. Look at a group like the Marvelettes or the Temptations, that had more than one lead singer. It's entirely possible to make two (or more) lead singers work with a sound.
cerise hardy ...Neither Flo, Mary or Diane were embarking on going solo. I'm sixty-five years old and I've seen the original Supremes when they were part of the Motown Revue at the Apollo Theatre.
@@brucescott4261 Diana Ross! If you're not a personal friend or family member you should be respectful and call her Miss Ross or Diana Ross! You calling Miss Ross "Diane" makes you look foolish and Catty!
@@@teranceharris1134 - A lot of us were around when your MISS ROSS introduced herself to us as Diane, even as late as 1967 when she appeared on the Tonight Show with the Supremes singing the Happening when Johnny asked her to introduce the group she said her name was DIANE! For those of us who still choose to refer to her as Diane is not disrespectful, she introduced herself to us as such. That Diana and Miss Ross crap is for you fans of hers.
It is strange that Mary speaks so much negativity about Diana but not one time did she admit that Diana supported her when Mary tried her solo career and Diana was babysitting Mary's child during the concert and in the auddience but she wont tell that part.
I remember seeing Mary and Diana in jet or ebony magazine together at that concert. Two former SUPREMES together was certainly a great photo opportunity for Mary and Diane. Knowing Diane, she probably cared more about getting her name and face in the news than actually supporting someone that she had treated so badly over the years. I'm quite suspicious of her reasons for being there. And she should have been happy to loan Mary money. After all, if Mary had never invited her to join the group, where would she be today? Probably sleeping with the owner of a fashion design school and designing Kabuki- style costumes like the ones she made for Mahogany. Mary mentioned the loans in her second book. She mentioned how Diane Ernestine Ross "contributed to her life when she was having difficulties". And are you not aware that she charged Mary INTEREST on one of those loans? Who does that? What kind of a woman does that? I know EXACTLY what kind of woman does that! But being a good Christian homo, I just can't say it!!!
@@punkanellylovejoy702 Oh Please If it was Mary and Flo and Betty or Barbara they would have failed.And fyi it was Diana who knew Smokey who was with Motown and she asked Smokey to get she and Mary an audition with Berry.It was Diana' voice not Mary's that brought The Supreme's success
Mary doesn't have to tell certain parts. The entire fan base and general public already knew that she baby sat Mary's legitimate child, as opposed to babysitting an illegitimate one.
@@mahoganyflame2000 it was the Motown sound and the most well written songs in Motown's history that brought the supremes success. Diane Ernestine's voice was nothing special. It was nice. a nice voice but quite average.
Berry Gordy was no fool. He new who had the "Money" voice. Mary and Florence were good but, Diana had "Star" power. Berry Gordy saw that and made the right choice. OBVIOUSLY.
Hey Blue Falcon--- How d' Diana do??? only got so far and that was all"""" she was allowed... Didn't make it big in Hollywood -- and she was a great actress and she should have won an Oscar..
Blue Falcon 64 you need to go get schooled Diana was cut thoat.she remind me of the slave owners. They got where they were off the backs of slaves.they earned what they had by exploiting powerless people.she had the it factor alright. She gained favor by sleeping with the top dog. Frankly she wasnt as pretty as most of the women at motown.so you need that eye surgery too. And she knew she wasn't as Pretty but she found that sex was a natural equalizer. And she used that.she had no more it factor than Any of those other women.actually she thought she had less that's why she used sex actually it wasn't her voice or her it factor that put the supremes out there, they was already well on their way, she had puledl off the heist of having Barry making the group Diana Ross and the Supremes , she just got all the credit for it. Actually It was Florence ballard baby. And after she got rid of her she took the credit the uninformed go running off with lies. It sad to think you know something and don't know it. The knowledge of the truth will always set us free. You can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink it. Peace
No. Diana's voice was more lucrative towards the white market. Thats why she was chosen as lead. Mary and especially Flo's voice were too strong/black sounding. Thats the tea on that.
some folks ask why is mary wilson always talking about diana ross, well if she was not asked the questions that she is always asked , I don't think that she would talk about her as much. Mary has gone on with her life as Ross has also. They both are successful woman and they are both loved worldwide. I love them both and have followed both of them when they were together and for the first decade after they have went separate ways. Neither one of them are talking negatively about the other. Mary has stated facts and they are all true as other Motown artists have also stated those facts. And to those who speak negatively about Ms. Wilson, I am willing to bet that none of them have accoumplished half of the things that Mr. Wilson has accomplished.
Diana had the weakest voice of the Supremes which is what made her ascendancy and their marginalisation of the Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard so much more painful and unjust.Diana actually is a mediocre singer compared with her peers-Gladys Knight, Aretha Franklin, Patti laBelle, Dionne Warwick .She is however iron willed, charismatic and a terrific performer. Which is not the same as being a great human being
Why is it that anytime she gets any attention is when she speaking about diana ross like let it go..you're grown ass woman still living in the past..you dont ever see diana talking about her
to be fair, most of these clips were when mary's book had just come out and she was constantly being ASKED about the motown years and diana ross.. the rest are clips specifically cut together to be about this ONE subject outlined in the title.. she's discussed plenty of other topics in interviews over the years, they were just cut out of this video.
I wonder what kind of sound we would have to thank the Supremes for if they could have shared the spotlight? What a group! But what did we miss out on?
They would not have been as successful as they were. They would have been just like another Motown group. Diana's sound was what catapulted them to the stratosphere, her voice was different, distinctive and appealing to wider audiences.
@@rossnumberone2 I disagree, while DIANA ROSS had the crossover voice, the other two voices (MARY & FLO) could've made the group even more balanced and more successful. With MARY bringing a smooth jazzy seductive sound (like MARY WELLS) & with FLO bringing a soulful, gut-wrenching sound (like ARETHA). The SUPREMES were special; but would've been more special if the talent were balanced and less politics and favoritism catered towards group decisions.
The well described comment was meant for the person who commented that the group could have been better if leads were shared etc. Dianna was just a self certred person.
Of all this. Past reference to Miss ROSS Mrs.Wilson isn't looking at that mere fact that she Diana, is HUMAN and has a right to live her life accordingly, .. And She Knew What She wanted and she Went out in the WORLD AND "GOT IT !!", She's very charismatic, She's a very attractive LADY, She's a A PLUS MOTHER!, She is a World class entertainer, SHE LOOKS FANTASTIC MANY YEARS LATER AND SO DOES MARY, ONE THINGS FOR SURE HAD MISS. ROSS NOT DONE WHAT SHE DID AT THE TIME??, * SHE WOULD NOT BE WHO SHE IS AND WHERE SHE IS NOW!, AS IN PERIOD !!, ** THOSE ARE THE FACTS,... I LOVE MISS ROSS AND ALL THAT SHE REPRESENTS .
+GERMAN - That is because Mathew Knowles developed t ALL the girls talent as far as they each could go. not just Beyonce who is more talented than the other two.
@Toni Sumblin People are making sure that they don't sit by and allow anyone to make Diane's victims out to be liars. They try but they look so ridiculous in their futile attempts at denial.
Some years ago Diane Ross appeared on the Oprah show, trying to get people interested in a "Reunion" tour. She argued that since both of her then-current backup singers had once appeared under the "Supremes" name, that meant they had really, truly been part of the magical origin of the group. (The "reunion" tour bombed big time). And Oprah avidly supported everything Diane said. But every time Diane Ross opens her mouth, something egotistical drops out: "The Supremes are really even bigger than *I* am." One time a TV show audience actually applauded her for proudly saying that she had a daughter by Berry Gordy when they were both married to other people --- in other words, cheating their spouses. She got a standing ovation. Even now I turn off her single records because she was such an obnoxious big-head. But I still love the early songs by the Supremes.
Guinn Berger: Diana, Mary, and Florence all dated married men!! Even the other girls around Motown!! Why are people making that story such a big deal after 60yrs. They need to reach up and grab those halos over their heads to see if they're still there. As young people we all have done some things in our pass we may not be proud of. Mary and Diana has admitted to that. When are we going to forgive and forget and just enjoy their Music? What has happened has happened. Married couples have been cheating on each other forever, out in Hollywood or wherever, still are!! People are so upset with Diana b/c she moved on and became so famous. People leave groups all the time. She needed to leave, times were changing, people were changing. Grups are stepping stones, that's the time to leave when the group is at its height. Some people are going to get hurt when an important member leaves, thinking that's the end of the group/hits. Sometimes you come back, sometimes you don't. That's unfortunate, but don't blame it on being a hard worker that's overly ambitious, or dating someone powerful. That's ridiculous. If it was all about Berry Gordy and his power, why didn't Chris Clark achieve success when she dated Berry Gordy? Motown was spending lots of money on her trying to get a hit and never did. Stop blaming people for whatever happens in your life. Find your own strength. People want to see that victim mentality. Listen to those questions, like awe poor Mary. Now she's been eliminated from dancing with the stars after her second dance. Who can she blame now. Know why? b/c she's carrying that weight of negativity around with her. She maybe smiling but she needs to let it go. And Diana does also. And all crap about telling them she was going to get Berry Gordy. So what ? And Mary never misses a chance to tell that story. Maybe she did say it and maybe her plans were to use him for leverage, it worked didn't it ? Mary knows it. Kept her famous. But Ronnie Spector of the Ronetts said the same thing about Phil Spector. and Darlene Love never misses a chance to tell it. You can tell bitter ppl a mile away. Some women know what they want and they get it good or bad There's nothing wrong with that.
@@Modelt5000 Boy,you're sick! You uplift Bad Behavior and show me where Mary and Florence were with married people.Them girls except for Diana Ross were virgins,except that Florence's virginity was stolen from her by rape when she was 13,14 years old.
Ms Mary Wilson is so beautiful here.
Mmm Aubrey come and get your love Aubrey darling. My love beckons unto thee, in it's own winking blinking sorta way.
And where was her husband?
I don't understand men.
She was a gorgeous lady. Kelly Rowlands reminds me of her a bit.
SHE WAS STUPID CAUSE SHE WAS VERY RUDE TO ME AS FAN AT DINNER. CONCERT. SNODDEN ME FOR BEING WHITE. SO YEAH. WE ALL GET STUPID. SHE HAD LOT MORE THEN I GET. COULDNT EVEN WAVE. SHE TOTALLY SANG TO FREIND WHO ALLREADY KNEW HER. GIVEN ME SNUG LOOK. I WAS HURT AND IN SHOCK. IDIOT
@Guy Grip-I’m sorry that she behaved that way towards you. If you’re able to please find it in your heart to forgive her. By doing so your anger at being mistreated will fade. The peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Hey Mary rest in peace sister.. I want you to know that all of your old Supremes hits have been remastered and released in 2021 on spotify where you can clearly hear you and flo singing. This proves that there were 3 voices on all those hits and that you were more then just a background singer. Rest now beautiful Mary.
where do i find this remastered music?
The three voices were there yes you clearly don't know anything about music . The problem was Berry decided for obvious reasons Dianna would have all the leads . Thus relegating Mary and Florence to background singers . Eventually changing the name to Dianna Ross and the Supremes. Note well everyone at that time knew Florence was the best singer in the group.
I have seen The Supremes in early 1967 and I could hear all three voices loud and clear. They had three microphones, and nobody had messed with the mics. They put on a fabulous performance I will never forget. I was seated between Florence and Mary, but everybody could hear the three of them. They did mess with the mics on recordings in which Diane's voice would stand out. Months later when Flo left the group, I was somewhat confused, and their name was changed to Diana Ross and The Supremes. I didn't like this and I figured more was going on than they said. They made it sound as if Florence left on her own when she was fired. There was another time in which Diane screamed at some kids to "Go away, go away"!!!!. They went at for a long time and I stayed out of it. So did Mary and Cindy Birdsong. When it was time for them to go on stage for their second show, some policemen made us come down from the ramp and i said I still love you, but she laughed and said " there is always somebody in every crowd who still loves us" I was startled because she was so close to the window. I wanted to say more, but the police wanted me down, especially that gruff sergeant. I stayed around and listened to them after they left. It was a very good performance. I knew more about Diana Ross that night, but I still loved her. It still wasn't quite the same without Flo, but Cindy was a good replacement. There is more I didn't know until I read Mary's book. RIP Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson. PS I did meet Mary in May of 1998 and hugged her and got her autograph.
Yes...in the beginning all 3 voices were heard. Mary said that there mikes were later turned down and only Diane was heard clearly
Mary and flo were back up singers period
Mary is EASILY the best looking Supreme!
💯🙌🏾SO, SO TRUE🙌🏾💯‼️ I personally thought Flo was "okay" looking, nothing spectacular & I thought Diana Ross was/is a BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, she was just too, TOO thin during her time WITH the Supremes bcuz after that, when she left Motown & that scandalous Berry Gordy & all the pressure & overworking she endured, she looked sooo, SOOOO MUCH BETTER. So much so that by the time she did the central park concert, she looked amazing....☝🏾😑but, Mary hands down was & is STILL thee prettiest!!!
For sure. Mary way a knockout
@Destiny Bell. I love Flo. Love her talent and her energy. Flo rocks for sure.
Flo and diana was also gorgeous
I always felt that too
She continued to look so good
Mary Wilson epitomized humanity; truly a love Supreme.
Rest easy Mary Wilson
Let's hope so, as she spent the majority of her life filled with bitterness towards Miss Ross, the Boss
@@skygazer6898 I wonder what Diane Ross could have possibly ever done to cause such bitterness in Mary or anyone for that matter? 🤔
Such an unsolved mystery isn't it.
@@skygazer6898 No one was bitter. Mary Wilson was asked a question, which she answered.
Mary has aged exceptionally well...over the years ;)!
she always looks 35, except in the last interview that looks 45
Oh Honey, most of these interviews were done in 1987/88, I was Incredibly HOT myself, (Back Then)
No, they are dated in the video. Check it yourself. Last ones 2000, 2013, 2016. She looks a lot better than Diana.
In 2000 looks she is 35, in 2013 40 and 2016 45
She is 74, amazing. One of the women that shows less his age.
I know most people thought Florence was the prettiest, but Mary was the prettiest to me. Florence was beautiful, but in the USA, it seems like light skin is the best. Diana is pretty, but she was an entertainer. She didn't have the best voice, but knew how to entertain. Like Madonna, but she sings WAY better.
This is an old interview from the 1980s. I was hot in those days too
Let's be real...When the book came out, people already considered Diana Ross to be nasty. I don't think she is now. She comes off as VERY human now, but clearly she was ambitious to the point of taking no prisoners in her teens/20s. Mary didn't create that reputation she just talked about her experience with it.
She never came off as nasty on stage or in her interviews (then or now). He evil was always done offstage, not in front of a camera. So you'll have to catch her off stage to determine if she's changed or not. You can't judge by her onstage demeanor. But perhaps she's changed for all we know. Most people do.
@Kirby Kipling Ask Michael if the same applies to Hitler? Should we stop judging Hitler since we've never met him or talked to him one on one? I believe that statement applies to people like Michael, people who appear strange or weird or odd or eccentric or mad or something. And Michael actually wasn't weird, he was quite normal. I don't think this philosophy applies to likes of a Diane Ernestine.
It’s easy to expect Mary to get over it and focus on her life. But all the questions are about her relationship with Diana.
Her claim to fame is her association with Diana. Other than that there is no there....there.
Sorry sweetie but her claim to fame is the Supremes. And the Supremes have always been and always will be bigger than the solo boss fucker
If it wasn't for Mary's book about the true story of The Supremes, no one would even have much to say about Diana Ross these days.
@@punkanellylovejoy702 agreed! Fucking the boss to get ahead doesn’t mean you’re more talented.
I think they just cherry picked those questions for the video.
What A Lady of Class!!! Mary Wilson was right not to tour without equal pay & treatment!!! She is Supreme with or without Diana Ross
The soul singer Syleena Johnson looks a little like Mary Wilson here.
Also a little bit like Gayle King
PJ Staten Kelly Rowland reminds me of Mary Wilson!
so what
P.J. Staten I can see Kelly Rowland , Sylena and Whitney Houston
Sounds like her too lol
her and kelly rowland have a resemblance that's crazy
even their role in their groups is so similar.Beyonce is kind of a Diana Ross right?
@@markk2101 As far as being more in the spotlight YES THE HELL SHE IS.
Nope
Kelly actually performed with Mary
Yes she does
Mary was always the pretty classy one
Diana Ross has always been beautiful and classy if you ask me. Mary just always on some negative trip. Complaining about stuff.
@@danielrobinson9270 maybe if Mary had Berry Gordy's love child she'd complain less.
Pretty yeah but I don't know about classy.
@@danielrobinson9270 Theyre ASKING her about Diana. She’s not the one lingering on it.
@@danielrobinson9270 She would do it in such a sneaky underhanded nice way that fooled certain people but not all. Most could see right through her. She bad-mouth Diana until it was not Lucrative anymore in recent years.
"If she is embarrassed, then that is her situation". Thank you Mary Wilson for hitting the nail on the head. Not Mary's problem nor anyone else's issue, that Diane's rep was a self inflicted rep for being difficult, frankly antagonistic. I admire Mary Wilson for keeping her composer and professionalism in the height of tension instigated by Diane.
LOL
@@mic6434 Hilarious right?
@@dollydagger2093 hilarious to Ross's dingleberries
Agreed
My condolences to family & friends of the "soul of queen" Mary Wilson of the legendary group the "Supremes"
I read Mary’s book when it first came out, and I’ve read it over again, being a fan of The Supremes and Diana Ross, I found nothing shocking because fans already knew how Diana Ross was,that’s just her, Mary was just telling the story of their lives, I found it a great read, it didn’t change how I feel about Diana Ross,and really don’t understand why she got mad with Mary.
Fans did not know how Diana was...none of them knew her personally. You mean that had already heard the haters and believed it to be true cause they wanted to not because they had proof of it...Flo said she preferred Diana because she was up front. She said Mary was two faced....Mary got you guys thinking she is some sort of saint...she's a liar and has no integrity because she is willing to stab her childhood friend in the back for "coin"
I know my Mary got mad with Diana was envious and jealousy, that’s just my opinion, and when Diana left the group why didn’t Mary become lead singer?
Mary Wilson was a beauty✨
🌿💚R.I.P Legend💚🌿
Mary is a class act. She realized that they needed to survive so that the Supremes could be successful.
Ruby Chew 🤗 Yes, she went along to
get along, because she & Flo were getting the same perks as Diana, except Berry Gordy.
MARY WILSON IS SO DAMN CLASSY!!! Not catty at all, the ways she speaks about Diana, it’s honest but not mean and she’s not sugar coating anything
LOL
Berry Gordy is the king of building up and dividing a group. Sadly there were too many weak minds in these groups to hold it together or at the very least mature to do the right thing
Gordy knew Diana was the one with the star quality so he brought her front and center, at the expense of the other two.
Mary Wilson is Gorgeous!!!
Most Beautiful Supreme!
I saw a video years ago when the Supremes were live on stage during the Ed Sullivan days and when the back up singers started getting to close to the camera Diana made her move to take center place over them, it was crazy! I thought as a team the playing field is netural!
Yes I saw that she was showing everybody how she was bold
There were no backup singers in THE SUPREMES..............all 3 women were the act! The backup singers, who were used on the recordings of most of the Motown artists were called The Andantes.
Sheryl Martin: Because history is history!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mary wants the truth to be told and there is still a public interest in the truth! The Supremes were incredibly POPULAR and the public still has an appetite for the GROUP's dirt. Diane's dirt is just a part of The Supremes' history.
I've seen Diane block with her arms too. She wanted to be subtle but I was about 14 and I saw it! 😊
She has insecurity issues. But ppl are blinded by the glamour. They can’t see her behaviour is sometimes like an insecure two year old who needs to be the centre of attention.. like all narcissists
Mary💕💕💕So true and honest RIP I love how shes always kept Florence name relevant.
Diana had star quality
Mary Wilson reminds of Donna Summer. Good hearted people.
A Diva will be a Diva till the end. I like The Supremes music, I like each individual ladies solo albums, and don't really pay much attention to what they had to do to get to the top. But I must say, Diana knew what she wanted early on and she knew getting knocked up by Berry Gordy would secure her future with him- having a child by him meant he would be tied to her till the end. As for Mary, she has every right to tell her version of their story. What I haven't heard mentioned about that big reunion tour was that the main reason it didn't happen was because Diana's plan was to have her, Mary and ?, sing a Supremes medley in the show (probably running about 20 - 25 minutes?), then Diana would have the rest of the show to herself. So Mary was right when she said the amount of money they were to get should be split fairly. Since that infamous reunion tour bombed so badly, I bet Diana wished she would have left her ego at the door.
Things started to change in the group, when Diana Ross started sleeping with Berry Gordy.
You are absolutely correct. Diana's voice isn't that great. She's not good looking either. Mary is beautiful.
She caused havoc because she was sleeping with Barry. He did not marry her. Left her as an unwed mother with a child. Common with most men.
They all had voices but they weren't sleeping with Barry.
She has issues to this day.
Why?
@@UnknownUnknown-ig6ml R.I.P Mary! Have they announced her cause of death yet?
It is safe to say Diana slept her way to success, but she married her first husband before she gave birth to Berry's daughter.
@@orane3549 Yes. To make herself look respectable. That was back around 1970. Today something like that wouldn't be a big deal.
You’re absolutely INCORRECT bc Miss Ross was always the one out front, when they came to the company really.
If they even do a live movie of the supremes, Kelly Rowland should play Mary
I said the same thing
I agree. Kelly would be amazing as Mary Wilson.
You are so beautiful Mary Wilson, I love you woman, Diana don't have nothing on you. You are the class of the group. 🎶
Yeah right. Diana has it all on Mary. Beauty, class,talent and money. Mary wants to be Diana.
Mary want to be Diana Ross, but it any gonna happen, and Mary you are wrong,you can't sing.
Wow that was quite Ignorant of you to say that, Mary doesn’t seem jealous of Diana Ross the least bit, if anything she stated how talented and ambitious Diana Ross was and stated many times how much she loved Diana, Mary is a beautiful legend in her own right, it’s mean spirited ppl like you who try to make things go from bad to worst, so sad, continued blessings upon Mary and her family ❤️🙏🏾
@@danielrobinson9270 Diana Ross? Class? Since when?
@@punkanellylovejoy702 Try not to be affected by other non factors. If you can't see it, you may not be looking. Some things don't need to be explained. It speaks for itself.
Taraji P. Henson as Diana Ross
Kelly Rowland as Mary Wilson
Faith Evans as Florence Ballard
Unknown as Cindy Birdsong
2000-04 Taraji would have been PERFECT.
Agreed
Nah nah Michelle Williams as Ms.Ross shes got the same shape and voice its all there
That is Great Casting I think Michelle Willams as Diana Ross & Taraji P. Henson as Tammi Terrell
Fairy Evans not only too old but ugly As all heck
She is gorgeous
People are still arguing and fighting over this?? They're 70-something-years-old!!!! Just enjoy the music!!
You seem to enjoy being a pot-stirrer though, in all of this. Why does their belief that there was perhaps some injustice in the group make you feel so insecure? I mean, why do you have to run around constantly defending a woman you don't know and a situation/situations in the 1960s that you were not even present for?? It's all so strange. They are in their mid 70s now. I'm sure they have come to terms with it in private. Again, just enjoy the music.
BeauBo M
Here here!
@@WhenUrSmilin ...I told him to get a life and grow up. He hasn't anything better to do, I guess.
You can do both. You can enjoy the music and discuss the stars. It's a compliment to both Diana Ross and Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard that people care enough to still argue and fight over this after all these years. Most of the other groups are long forgotten.
@BeauBo M
you say just enjoy the music? I did 50 years ago when I was a child. I'm fully grown now and have no need to listen to those old teenage love songs from the 60's. No Baby Love for me. I'd rather talk about the real ish in life like how to avoid backstabbers, manipulators, and greedy selfish people in life,
She was the most beautiful supreme
I did meet Mary Wilson twice . Such a lovely lady. My father was a great fan from age 10 he is now 70!
I also met Linda Lawrence, Jean .
The reason why people still talk about this because it is a part of black history !!!
People talk about history forever ! THE FABULOUS SUPREMES
@Damo Trent Stop it ✋🏾
Her skin is flawless
Damm Mary fine as hell on that Arsenio interview
Mary Wilson was one beautiful, classy woman. RIP Queen!!! 🕊
Mary is good looking and witty, charming, I'd marry her. Down to earth.
Mary is all class. Wonderful lady.
ROFL..
Being a stunning looker doesn't hurt either...😋
@@anthonyyusef5897 Rolling on the floor? I bet you are. And probably doing it in a sequined dress with a matted bouffant wig rolling right beside you.
All Mary seemed to really want in the end was to reunite with Diana. “Someday We’ll Be Together” was more than a song for Mary; it was a goal. I don’t think Diana ever really saw her as much more than a childhood friend, honestly. I think The Supremes meant two totally different things to each of them. For Diana, it was her start. For Mary, it was her life. RIP Mary🕊
You've got a point here.
Thank you so much for posting. I’m so glad to hear this. Forever love between them but life goes on.
she was stunning
She was my favorite member of the supremes. Love her!! RIP Mary Wilson😪😪
🌹 RIP Mary Wilson,76 (1944-2021) ☆ Yes,l agree with Mary. Everyone should get paid the same amount for a "Reunion" tour. 🎤🎤🎤
All of them contributed to the group, all should get equal pay.
No
That’s how diana really was in those days in that time very ambitious and obviously insecure because many people say the same thing about her. They can’t be lying , in her own right she was a great artist she didn’t have to be that way.
I always wanted to meet Mary! She is / was, soooo Beautiful. My favorite Supreme* love you Mary!!!!
Mary should have become a jazz singer after the Supremes. I think she would have been great, and it suits her voice. I never cared for her when she sang Diana's leads on Supremes songs. Songs like Floy Joy and Touch which were written with her voice in mind sound great. Ballads were especially her forte
Oh my God! Mary Wilson was beautiful!
I’m from Detroit, born and raised in Detroit. The people here respect Diana as a business woman, but not as a person. She was booed at Florence Ballard’s funeral, because of how she treated her when she was in the group and after she left the group, she wasn’t every kind to her family after she became successful, she was rude to the local people in the community and she doesn’t do much for the city. Diana is a superstar, and nobody can ever take that away from her. However, she doesn’t have very many friends in the industry and she doesn’t have much respect from the people in Detroit. If you ask anyone about the artist from the city they love I can guarantee you Diana Ross is at the bottom of that list.
Mary was really pretty.
Mary is a CLASS ACT. GRACIOUS & BEAUTIFUL ❤️
But Florence Ballard started the group. Do they acknowledge her.
Mary Wilson talks about Florence Ballard put she never invited Flo to come back to the Supremes after Diana left. I read the book Dreamgirl & Surpreme Faith and I am now reading Deliver Us From Temptations Diana Ross was a monster who got away with everything. Her and Mary was responsible for Florence's exit from the group.
@TheReturnofStephan1 thanks for responding never said Diana Ross couldn't sing and I know why Berry Gordy used her for the lead to sell records everyone knows that. I was voicing my opinion whether we agree or disagree. ☮️
@TheReturnofStephan1 ☮️
@TheReturnofStephan1 you need to try to say what you have to say in shorter comments. No one is gonna read all that. I enjoy reading your little twist on how Miss Ross is innocent and why Mary is a liar, but I'm not gonna read all THAT!
@TheReturnofStephan1 i sure as hell need an attention span to keep from falling asleep reading your comments honey.
People seem to forget that these girls were young. And as they grew into their own individual selves. There's bound to be jealousies & striff.. But, long story short.. They were and are sisters that share a very special time in history..
Many females have tried to find fame but Diana & Mary showed us how it's done. They will remain in our hearts forever along with our music collection of these great women. Mary has passed on and has her angel wings now but her songs both with the Supremes and her solo outing lives on and on forever.
I guess all the people talking negative things about Diana Ross here and everywhere else would reject a good job offer in order to please their friends. Berry Gordy was a businessman first and above all. He knew where the money was and who had the most marketable voice. 12 number one singles with the Supremes and 6 more as a solo artist plus an Oscar nomination and a gazillion of other achievements are proof of that. He believed in her more that she even believed in herself. Business is all about money so, their relationship was second to that. There are trains that only come once in a lifetime. If Diana Ross was a guy, we would be thinking of him as a powerful, important man instead of a bitch. Take that offer, you are not offending anyone. If you don't take it, another person will take it for you. They are not going to feel sorry for you, right? Life is hard so, if someone believes in you, don't deny that opportunity.
Exactly
That's true.
Are you her paid PR? Give it a rest. She deliberately WENT AFTER a married man to benefit HERSELF. She continued this pattern throughout her life. WEALTHY MEN-it's called prostitution. I feel sorry and have the utmost compassion for children and young women who are trafficked, I don't have any compassion for narcissists who are seeking fame and MONEY. Ross was not the most talented nor the most attractive and clearly not the best person; she was the one willing to sell herself-these are the types who make it in a perverse system. I would judge a man the same way. Gordy was disgusting to do what he did to his WIFE and Ross was and still is disgusting no matter how much she and her PR team try to spin the truth.
Well said 👏🏽❤️
@@KaliMaaaaa Thanks
I respect Mary and Diana they love their children very much
Love you Mary Rest in Peace with Flo
I was surprised how people took the book , I read the book wasn’t shocked about nothing because being a Supremes fan and Diana Ross fan , you know how she is, it didn’t change anything , that’s just Diana Ross. I didn’t understand why Diana Ross was upset about the book it’s no secret that she’s catty, but us fans still like her and all The Supremes.
Why these singers: Mary, Diana,Dion,Donna, Fergussion, Arita ,Tina and the like so articulate and intelligent black women, you never get bored listening to them.
Love Mary Wilson my favorite Supreme
Thank you for setting the record straight. Diana's name is Diana not Diane!!!!
If you guys did not know yet we lost Mary Wilson late last night.
Only singers know that background/ backup and help makes the song .Good for them for standing up and saying no. Prefect example is the group Kut Klose , understanding they have a lead singer but the killer background is what stands out.
Mary Wilson was so beautiful here
Mary made a career of hating on Diana Ross her childhood friend. She stabbed Diana in the back even though Diana gave her a down payment on a home when she didn't have anywhere to go, but Mary left that out of the book because the point of the book was to play into people's dislike of Diana. Diana was the only reason anyone bought that book. And worst of all "she used Flo Ballard's tragic death like it was a career opportunity." She did more talking about how great Flo was and how she had this great voice which she didn't. She talked more about Flo then she spent time singing....A lot of you guys let your dislike of Diana make you not see the fakeness behind Mary's innocent victims image.
Preach!!!!!!!
Mary mentioned it in her 2nd book on how Diana helped her financially and purchasing a new home after her divorce from her jealous abusive husband.
Matt, I couldn't said it better myself,someone else really seen through Mary Lie's and visa cuts and rumours... Love Diana Always 2023..
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HEARTED ARTIST!!
Well done, Mary, as usual. Thank you.
Mary really was the glamourous one out of the group and better spoken in comparison to Diana
Mary was gorgeous!!!
Mary Wilson is a class act. In this interview. is very eye opening too. Sometime time your words may come off kind of harsh. And be misinterpreted.
She’s so pretty.
The truth is...from the very beginning, Diana Ross stood out in the Supremes. She was the one with the voice, the looks and also star quality...and she knew it.
I think she was more competitive but given an equal chance Mary would've gone to similar heights, except she didn't sleep with the married boss to achieve it. Most often it's the morality is what keeps good people from 'sardom'.
It's sad they had a breach to bad now Mary and Florence are gone it must deep down hurt Dianne that they could have been closer over the years.
Vale Ms Wilson. You gave us so much.
This is so uncanny Kelly Rowland reminds me of her
Yes! But i think Kelly Rowland favor Gladys Knight more
Well. Kelly Rowland. Can. Play. Mary Wilson in a movie now
a lot of people say mary wilson hates diana ross. She doesnt. Mary obviously is not mean spirited like that, or jealous or envious.
If you believe Mary didn't hate Diana you are truly gullible. Not only did she hate Diana she did everything she could the wreck her career.
She has always given me Kelly Rowland vibes. But overall i think she was making great points throughout this video and seems to be aware of how things went and how things go. She understands Diana’s position & eagerness to be on top. She’s not happy about it, but it’s something she’s accepted and seems to be happy with herself
What a classy lady ! She kept it classy till the end,
it's alright to be ambitious but you don't throw your friends under the bus
Ms. Ross 🚍🚍🚍
She made a life out of trashing Diana Ross, while Diana never said anything bad about her. Diana was the lead voice of the group since the very early begining, you can hear Diana's voice on their first recording hits in 1963. The Supremes with Flo or Mary as a lead voice, would never made a success, and she knows that. She still destroys the Supremes songs in her shows..it's so sad.
Young Mary Wilson reminds me of Selena Johnson. They also sound alike.
R.I.P Mary...
Unfortunately most of you that call yourselves Supremes fans are very one-sided with how you view things pertaining to the Supremes, Ms Ballard founded the group that would be the Primettes and there were 4 young girls at that time but when contracts were signed with Motown the Primettes became the Supremes and they were owned by Motown, so in essence the group didn't belong to any of the group members until the third name change Diana Ross and the Supremes, the group were called The No Hot Supremes until the song Where did our love go hit the charts hard, they didn't even have a album recorded as they were on a Hitsville tour and had to be flown back to Detroit to record a full album. I find it interesting how everyone knows exactly what took place over 50yrs ago and most weren't even born, everybody has a"friend" that worked at Motown or knew one of the Supremes or did makeup for someone and heard something no one else can verify, GTFOH
From reading your comment, it's all too clear to see that you most CERTAINLY was not "there".
Cb Cb So what's your point?
@@punkanellylovejoy702 lol.. now that I gave you the attention you obviously so desperately needed I hope this made you happy..
@@skygazer6898 lol.. no point just sharing, if it bothers you block me
@@cbcb8898 u was asked a question about ur over the top comment that talked down to people but you can't answer. You need to try and remember that even on a comment board you need to be a little respectful to others and their points of view.
If you really listen to all of the ladies voices solo, you would really hear that Diana's voice was the best voice for the material that they produced. Flo was bluesy, Mary was soulful. But Diana's voice meshed best with the pop soul they were famous for.
Thank you, if Flo or Mary voices were any good they would have had a hit before Where Did I Love Go.
That presumes that they could only be successful with pop material. Look at a group like the Marvelettes or the Temptations, that had more than one lead singer. It's entirely possible to make two (or more) lead singers work with a sound.
cerise hardy ...Neither Flo, Mary or Diane were embarking on going solo. I'm sixty-five years old and I've seen the original Supremes when they were part of the Motown Revue at the Apollo Theatre.
@@brucescott4261 Diana Ross! If you're not a personal friend or family member you should be respectful and call her Miss Ross or Diana Ross! You calling Miss Ross "Diane" makes you look foolish and Catty!
@@@teranceharris1134 - A lot of us were around when your MISS ROSS introduced herself to us as Diane, even as late as 1967 when she appeared on the Tonight Show with the Supremes singing the Happening when Johnny asked her to introduce the group she said her name was DIANE! For those of us who still choose to refer to her as Diane is not disrespectful, she introduced herself to us as such. That Diana and Miss Ross crap is for you fans of hers.
This was good. Thank you.
It is strange that Mary speaks so much negativity about Diana but not one time did she admit that Diana supported her when Mary tried her solo career and Diana was babysitting Mary's child during the concert and in the auddience but she wont tell that part.
I remember seeing Mary and Diana in jet or ebony magazine together at that concert. Two former SUPREMES together was certainly a great photo opportunity for Mary and Diane. Knowing Diane, she probably cared more about getting her name and face in the news than actually supporting someone that she had treated so badly over the years. I'm quite suspicious of her reasons for being there. And she should have been happy to loan Mary money. After all, if Mary had never invited her to join the group, where would she be today? Probably sleeping with the owner of a fashion design school and designing Kabuki- style costumes like the ones she made for Mahogany. Mary mentioned the loans in her second book. She mentioned how Diane Ernestine Ross "contributed to her life when she was having difficulties". And are you not aware that she charged Mary INTEREST on one of those loans? Who does that? What kind of a woman does that? I know EXACTLY what kind of woman does that! But being a good Christian homo, I just can't say it!!!
@@punkanellylovejoy702 Oh Please If it was Mary and Flo and Betty or Barbara they would have failed.And fyi it was Diana who knew Smokey who was with Motown and she asked Smokey to get she and Mary an audition with Berry.It was Diana' voice not Mary's that brought The Supreme's success
Mary doesn't have to tell certain parts. The entire fan base and general public already knew that she baby sat Mary's legitimate child, as opposed to babysitting an illegitimate one.
@@mahoganyflame2000 it was the Motown sound and the most well written songs in Motown's history that brought the supremes success. Diane Ernestine's voice was nothing special. It was nice. a nice voice but quite average.
Berry Gordy was no fool. He new who had the "Money" voice. Mary and Florence were good but, Diana had "Star" power. Berry Gordy saw that and made the right choice. OBVIOUSLY.
Hey Blue Falcon--- How d' Diana do??? only got so far and that was all"""" she was allowed... Didn't make it big in Hollywood -- and she was a great actress and she should have won an Oscar..
Blue Falcon 64 you need to go get schooled Diana was cut thoat.she remind me of the slave owners. They got where they were off the backs of slaves.they earned what they had by exploiting powerless people.she had the it factor alright. She gained favor by sleeping with the top dog. Frankly she wasnt as pretty as most of the women at motown.so you need that eye surgery too. And she knew she wasn't as Pretty but she found that sex was a natural equalizer. And she used that.she had no more it factor than Any of those other women.actually she thought she had less that's why she used sex actually it wasn't her voice or her it factor that put the supremes out there, they was already well on their way, she had puledl off the heist of having Barry making the group Diana Ross and the Supremes , she just got all the credit for it. Actually It was Florence ballard baby. And after she got rid of her she took the credit the uninformed go running off with lies. It sad to think you know something and don't know it. The knowledge of the truth will always set us free. You can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink it. Peace
No. Diana's voice was more lucrative towards the white market. Thats why she was chosen as lead. Mary and especially Flo's voice were too strong/black sounding. Thats the tea on that.
@@dangerislander facts
@@loisking5116: Say it again for the m.f.'s up top, in the nose bleed section!
some folks ask why is mary wilson always talking about diana ross, well if she was not asked the questions that she is always asked , I don't think that she would talk about her as much. Mary has gone on with her life as Ross has also. They both are successful woman and they are both loved worldwide. I love them both and have followed both of them when they were together and for the first decade after they have went separate ways. Neither one of them are talking negatively about the other. Mary has stated facts and they are all true as other Motown artists have also stated those facts. And to those who speak negatively about Ms. Wilson, I am willing to bet that none of them have accoumplished half of the things that Mr. Wilson has accomplished.
I reckon Diana's voice sounds nasal. But I guess the records won't sound the same without her nose-voice in them.
Diana had the weakest voice of the Supremes which is what made her ascendancy and their marginalisation of the Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard so much more painful and unjust.Diana actually is a mediocre singer compared with her peers-Gladys Knight, Aretha Franklin, Patti laBelle, Dionne Warwick .She is however iron willed, charismatic and a terrific performer. Which is not the same as being a great human being
Why is it that anytime she gets any attention is when she speaking about diana ross like let it go..you're grown ass woman still living in the past..you dont ever see diana talking about her
jay_rael Exactly!
Of course not. Ms Ross is the one who did all the dirt. That's why she gets talked about. Ross knows to keep her trap shut
oh shut up
to be fair, most of these clips were when mary's book had just come out and she was constantly being ASKED about the motown years and diana ross.. the rest are clips specifically cut together to be about this ONE subject outlined in the title.. she's discussed plenty of other topics in interviews over the years, they were just cut out of this video.
Yes, she's just beautiful.
I wonder what kind of sound we would have to thank the Supremes for if they could have shared the spotlight? What a group! But what did we miss out on?
They would not have been as successful as they were. They would have been just like another Motown group. Diana's sound was what catapulted them to the stratosphere, her voice was different, distinctive and appealing to wider audiences.
@@rossnumberone2 I disagree, while DIANA ROSS had the crossover voice, the other two voices (MARY & FLO) could've made the group even more balanced and more successful. With MARY bringing a smooth jazzy seductive sound (like MARY WELLS) & with FLO bringing a soulful, gut-wrenching sound (like ARETHA). The SUPREMES were special; but would've been more special if the talent were balanced and less politics and favoritism catered towards group decisions.
Nothing without Diana on lead.
@@osol2376 Well described.
The well described comment was meant for the person who commented that the group could have been better if leads were shared etc. Dianna was just a self certred person.
RIP Mary Wilson
Of all this. Past reference to Miss
ROSS Mrs.Wilson isn't looking at that mere fact that she Diana, is HUMAN and has a right to live her life accordingly, .. And She Knew What She wanted and she Went out in the WORLD AND "GOT IT !!", She's very charismatic, She's a very attractive LADY, She's a A PLUS MOTHER!, She is a World class entertainer, SHE LOOKS FANTASTIC MANY YEARS LATER AND SO DOES MARY, ONE THINGS FOR SURE HAD MISS. ROSS NOT DONE WHAT SHE DID AT THE TIME??, * SHE WOULD NOT BE WHO SHE IS AND WHERE SHE IS NOW!, AS IN PERIOD !!, ** THOSE ARE THE FACTS,... I LOVE MISS ROSS AND ALL THAT SHE REPRESENTS .
George Banks and we know that some people are bad actors.
Backstabbing is your thang ... Go get em!
Can I just say that Thank God this did not happen to Beyoncé, Michelle, and Kelly. IMO they seem pretty close still. ❤️❤️❤️
+GERMAN - That is because Mathew Knowles developed t ALL the girls talent as far as they each could go. not just Beyonce who is more talented than the other two.
Don't kid yourself, Beyoncé did dirt to the other girls.
The original Destiny's Child group had four members which they kicked two members out of
: truth is that the father learned from the Supremes and what happened afterwards. He made sure it didn’t happen to them.
Lmao but what about Latoya and Latavia??
Why is everybody talking about Diane Diana Ross and Mary Wilson what about Florence Ballard ???
She's DEAD!, that's "what about Florence Ballard"....Geesh!, if she was alive, then she would be involved too.
@Toni Sumblin People are making sure that they don't sit by and allow anyone to make Diane's victims out to be liars. They try but they look so ridiculous in their futile attempts at denial.
Florence is dead,this beach is just a sorry hater.
Mary speaks for Flo.
@@carolinagirl3110 agreed! Truth.
Diana Ross and Mary Wilson, Wilson owns the name of the supremes.
ray Jones motown owns the name of the supremes wilson tried to sue motown but lost
@@jimbranca1565 Correct!!
yeah i know i keep forgetting the 12 # 1 pop hits the supremes had after diana left
i totally agree i thought u were trying to say all the magic with the supremes was after diana ross left lets face basically was the supremes
diana ross was what made the supremes successful
I have always thought Mary Wilson was a beautiful woman and it was terrible and unfair what happened to Florence Ballard
Florence Ballard made some bad decisions on her own.
near 3:13 has he ever studied the downside of #Aries?
4:33 #Mars, the planet of aggression, the Action Planet, rules *Aries.*
9:00 brb...
Some years ago Diane Ross appeared on the Oprah show, trying to get people interested in a "Reunion" tour. She argued that since both of her then-current backup singers had once appeared under the "Supremes" name, that meant they had really, truly been part of the magical origin of the group. (The "reunion" tour bombed big time). And Oprah avidly supported everything Diane said. But every time Diane Ross opens her mouth, something egotistical drops out: "The Supremes are really even bigger than *I* am." One time a TV show audience actually applauded her for proudly saying that she had a daughter by Berry Gordy when they were both married to other people --- in other words, cheating their spouses. She got a standing ovation. Even now I turn off her single records because she was such an obnoxious big-head. But I still love the early songs by the Supremes.
So what she still won in the end hater
Guinn Berger: Diana, Mary, and Florence all dated married men!! Even the other girls around Motown!! Why are people making that story such a big deal after 60yrs. They need to reach up and grab those halos over their heads to see if they're still there. As young people we all have done some things in our pass we may not be proud of. Mary and Diana has admitted to that. When are we going to forgive and forget and just enjoy their Music? What has happened has happened. Married couples have been cheating on each other forever, out in Hollywood or wherever, still are!! People are so upset with Diana b/c she moved on and became so famous. People leave groups all the time. She needed to leave, times were changing, people were changing. Grups are stepping stones, that's the time to leave when the group is at its height. Some people are going to get hurt when an important member leaves, thinking that's the end of the group/hits. Sometimes you come back, sometimes you don't. That's unfortunate, but don't blame it on being a hard worker that's overly ambitious, or dating someone powerful. That's ridiculous. If it was all about Berry Gordy and his power, why didn't Chris Clark achieve success when she dated Berry Gordy? Motown was spending lots of money on her trying to get a hit and never did. Stop blaming people for whatever happens in your life. Find your own strength. People want to see that victim mentality. Listen to those questions, like awe poor Mary. Now she's been eliminated from dancing with the stars after her second dance. Who can she blame now. Know why? b/c she's carrying that weight of negativity around with her. She maybe smiling but she needs to let it go. And Diana does also. And all crap about telling them she was going to get Berry Gordy. So what ? And Mary never misses a chance to tell that story. Maybe she did say it and maybe her plans were to use him for leverage, it worked didn't it ? Mary knows it. Kept her famous. But Ronnie Spector of the Ronetts said the same thing about Phil Spector. and Darlene Love never misses a chance to tell it. You can tell bitter ppl a mile away. Some women know what they want and they get it good or bad There's nothing wrong with that.
@@mic6434 She won? Lol! Diana Ross needs to get past HERSELF and GOD! Not fans like fat ass Oprah,who is just like Diana! You are the Hater!
@@Modelt5000 Boy,you're sick! You uplift Bad Behavior and show me where Mary and Florence were with married people.Them girls except for Diana Ross were virgins,except that Florence's virginity was stolen from her by rape when she was 13,14 years old.
@@mic6434 and what did she win? The reputation from hell. That's what she won
She looks like a barbie doll😘