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@grandmasterRobby fun is subjective. I also like brew, but vdh and prot pally are a little higher for me. With warrior, bear, and bdk being lower. That said the off spec tends to determine my tank. Which rn is ret. Sadly paladin is one of the 2 weakest specs alongside brm. All of monk is middle or lower rn.
@@chukky1124 i haven’t played since MoP but I swear whenever I check in, prot pallys are either #1 and completely broken af/op, in their own league entire lol, like S+++. Or, they’re #2 but almost #1. I solo tank’d deathwing with a prot pally lol, and after being a healer for 95% of my raiding career 😂 Holy pally’s as well tbh lol
Prot paladin is relatively cool, 10+ can be walked away with. You just sweat through your shirt, he doesn't blink his eyes for half an hour, plays all the deff on the CD and begs the light for power. And in my experience, don't go with priest as healer, because holy and holy don't work together. In all cases Prot pala is something like DK, all the time jumping HP from high to low, but doesn't have absorbs and heals like DK.
I know this is a joke, but I seriously wouldn't mind a 4th support spec for paladins, going back to their roots but in a more fun way. I feel like prot and ret struggle with their identities because blizzard tries to weave them into the support role, and it ends up with the specs being weird in some way.
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Glad to see tanks all doing well! I usually main prot war and vengeance just may favorite tanks to play for RP! Only clearing 5s may have to roll my fel bear after KSM. BFA season 3 brewmaster was awesome miss that version of brew! All the tanks looks fun I just love my prot and Vengeance.
With the buffs coming up from VDH I would bump to S tier. But the reality in keys above +9 is that if you are not playing druid or prot you dont get invited
I would love to see Prot Pally not be a tank but be a melee support healer and everytime you perform a move it does heals and a buff. They don't have to be crazy strong but just a sustained rotation that will keep healing while making it engaging. Then give use a different tank spec.
Warrior priest from warhammer online was the perfect example of what you want. The only problem with a class like that is they are almost unkillable which would make them a nightmare to balance in PVP and im sure it would cause issues in m+ too.
Healing a blood dk gives me so much anxiety...they either are 1 gcd from dead or 1 gcd from being full health and its hard to know when. So sometimes i feel im just pumping heals into them when they are just chilling.
If there are a tier list for tanks being whiny babies, DH would be S tier. I've yet to meet one this season that doesn't rage quit or insult everyone at all times.
Prot paladin here cant get in mythic key groups nobody wants me so ive decided to bench it and work on VDH started playing it last night and gotta be honest alot of fun and insane mobility loving the signals.
I love playing Blood DK but vehemently despise the Blood community. They are completely out of touch with regular players. They are constantly encouraging new and inexperienced tanks to ignore defensive trinkets and talents, while these players are coming to them saying they have major issues surviving in keys.
As a brewmaster 8/8hc 612ilvl 4set, mythic dungeons are pain. dungeons are so punishing. that's not even about my tanking but other player's cc etc (even in low keys). Also brewmaster is burden for healer ( dps loss as well)
I am a Paladin player that plays Paladin Tank and Healer. And Even if Paladins are weaks now. A friend of mine told me to not play it. Of course he is a warrior. I will prove paladin is OP like allways. You can' put tanks in a tier list bt what keys they've don. Play all of them and after show your opinion. Or as healers about what thank is the best for.
Every class is good. But sweaty try hards focus on the BEST class of the patch. Which is fine. But you can play whatever you want dont follow the META if you're not into that.
BDK is by far the hardest tank to play. If you don't do things right, you are made of paper and easily 1-shooted even by trash. You need to go almost into any pack with some short CD mitigations (you will have Vampiric Blood available every few seconds) or you are also made of paper. That being said, it's very fun and getting good at using something that's very difficult and not just the obvious flavor of the month crap is very rewarding. (Im looking at you bear players, you guys suck ;)
BDK has always been the hardest to play, now its harder and has button bloat with three more spells to manage with deathbringer, bonestorm and consumption. For me, it does feel as good to play as last expansion, kinda like season 1 of shadowlands without the inability to hold agro but i have had warriors pull agro mid pull. It also has only one heroic set that works worth a damn sigh. Overall it feels like im ALWAYS on the cusp of being killed even in mid keys depending on how much healing im getting from the healer.
@@MarcelianOnline It's not fun when you're not getting invited... Blizz thinks it will be fine when next patch release, but for many prots it will be way to late. They'll just quit
@@BloodWolfy thats why you grab RL friends and a guild like me. we have our own group and we all play whatever we feel like. avoid pugs... never pug. if someone isn't on we dont play keys. just because we refuse to pug
@@BloodWolfy i only do 10s and 11s so far ,but we are also in it for the fun. So we mess around alot on discord sharing vids etc during the run and if we dont time it so be it. But ye no kids or anything haha
monk in general aside from mistweaver where it beta there was so much hype and was doing sooooo good. then the actual exp comes out and its mid to low grade. :/
they already began to nerf prot wars.... first they went to fury, now that fury is butchered they have began to nerf prot, when prot whill be completely unplayable they will be happy, the nerf on prot war are only the beginning.
So this is a tier list of the top % of players who make up the smallest fraction of players in the game and the majority of ur viewers aren't in the %. Waste of time.
How does it rank in the waste of time tier list compared to posting a comment under a youtube video that you blame to be wasting your precious time? Just wondering
@@chocrikir655 easy, because he's not talking to us about us. He's talking to us about the top %. The majority who can't be on all the time and live the game, what he says doesn't apply to. No comprende?
please can you make a list without m+ sh*t ? 90% of the wow players are social players and doing delves, followers instance, normal and heroic instance and LFR and normal raids. What i mean is gardian druid might be great is m+ but open world/delves its horrible. Low DPS compare to blood dk or protect warrior. In m+ etc most important is agro and a bit survival but open world or delves you are solo so on your self.
Data for Azeroth says about 1/3 of the player base gets Keystone Explorer. What type of video would you suggest for the "social" people? I've pugged most of my M+ over the years and that's where most of my friends list has come from. I'd say that's pretty social. Delves aren't very hard once you get to the suggested item level for them. Aren't delves designed to be solo end game content? Do people even really speak in LFR? Same for heroic instances? Follower dungeons are also soloable. How can you be social in those things?
I think that I legit NEVER saw such an out of touch point of view xD ! How can you be so blind thinking "90% of wow player are social and doing delves etc " get out of your bubble man.. M+ is damn popular , actually delves are prob mainly done for the vault loot
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Remember folks.......don't let these mythic tier lists ruin your fun. Play whatever you enjoy!
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My prot was F tier in SL and stil got KSM.
The problem with brewmaster not being S tier is that its the most fun tank to play.
for me its prot paladin , the utility pakage for the group is just insane for me
@grandmasterRobby fun is subjective.
I also like brew, but vdh and prot pally are a little higher for me. With warrior, bear, and bdk being lower.
That said the off spec tends to determine my tank. Which rn is ret. Sadly paladin is one of the 2 weakest specs alongside brm. All of monk is middle or lower rn.
for me war prot
@@sachaburki8535 Prot war be like: whats dampening and why is it bad? also i can do 3.5m executes how about that?
@@chukky1124 i haven’t played since MoP but I swear whenever I check in, prot pallys are either #1 and completely broken af/op, in their own league entire lol, like S+++. Or, they’re #2 but almost #1.
I solo tank’d deathwing with a prot pally lol, and after being a healer for 95% of my raiding career 😂
Holy pally’s as well tbh lol
im having a blast with my prot paladin. The Interrupts are so good because people are lazy with their interrupts
Another awesome video! I went bear because of your video! We talked about it in your stream! AND PEOPLE ARE STILL THANKING ME!
Prot paladin is relatively cool, 10+ can be walked away with. You just sweat through your shirt, he doesn't blink his eyes for half an hour, plays all the deff on the CD and begs the light for power. And in my experience, don't go with priest as healer, because holy and holy don't work together.
In all cases Prot pala is something like DK, all the time jumping HP from high to low, but doesn't have absorbs and heals like DK.
"The lowest HPS tank spikes HP the same way as the highest HPS tank" Tell me Prot Pal is down bad without telling me it's down bad.
Paladin scales better with gear than most other tanks.
This is the way bears suffered during Dragonflight
At this point just make protection pally a support class so remove threat on it. "It's a WET NOODLE"
This is the first expansion I haven’t gone prot as main spec on paladin 😢
I know this is a joke, but I seriously wouldn't mind a 4th support spec for paladins, going back to their roots but in a more fun way. I feel like prot and ret struggle with their identities because blizzard tries to weave them into the support role, and it ends up with the specs being weird in some way.
Prot pally will probably be #1 after this next hotfix and balance patch. They are getting HUGE buffs.
@@stiercreations when is that happening ?
@@BlindingSun_ October 8th
I'm a prot warrior since 2003. I once solo tanked ubrs
I always solo tank UBRS lol
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Glad to see tanks all doing well! I usually main prot war and vengeance just may favorite tanks to play for RP! Only clearing 5s may have to roll my fel bear after KSM. BFA season 3 brewmaster was awesome miss that version of brew! All the tanks looks fun I just love my prot and Vengeance.
I'm having fun as prot paladin and thats all that matter (why am i doing this to myself, been a druid main since i started playing 💀)
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With the buffs coming up from VDH I would bump to S tier. But the reality in keys above +9 is that if you are not playing druid or prot you dont get invited
Thats not true sry, i haver both with 2.7io and didnt notice that
Thank you for the list. And tiers. And tier lists.
Wonder if there would be a tier list for delves?
Or a tier list for Zekvir? :)
I would love to see Prot Pally not be a tank but be a melee support healer and everytime you perform a move it does heals and a buff. They don't have to be crazy strong but just a sustained rotation that will keep healing while making it engaging. Then give use a different tank spec.
Warrior priest from warhammer online was the perfect example of what you want. The only problem with a class like that is they are almost unkillable which would make them a nightmare to balance in PVP and im sure it would cause issues in m+ too.
@@gohomehero fair
Healing a blood dk gives me so much anxiety...they either are 1 gcd from dead or 1 gcd from being full health and its hard to know when. So sometimes i feel im just pumping heals into them when they are just chilling.
If there are a tier list for tanks being whiny babies, DH would be S tier. I've yet to meet one this season that doesn't rage quit or insult everyone at all times.
hi name is moose and i dont rage quit or yell when DH tankinh 🎉😅
hi name is ilidanquayle and i dont rage quit or yell when DH tankinh 🎉😅
A lot of them are upset they don’t have unlimited CC, Immortality, and big dmg anymore
A lot don’t really know how to play one.
Bear is fun
Prot paladin here cant get in mythic key groups nobody wants me so ive decided to bench it and work on VDH started playing it last night and gotta be honest alot of fun and insane mobility loving the signals.
I love a good teir list that i'm going to disregard after watching because I'm a solo player
I love playing Blood DK but vehemently despise the Blood community. They are completely out of touch with regular players.
They are constantly encouraging new and inexperienced tanks to ignore defensive trinkets and talents, while these players are coming to them saying they have major issues surviving in keys.
Idk why but they DESPISE Umbilicus Eternus.
Imagine getting invited to any key above 6… or hosting a key and not having someone leave after a few deaths..
Yes Yoda score doesn’t count for us the peasants , plus his team is also super sick sooo
Oh yea for sure!
yoda is on a different level.. its insane really xD
Monk IS SO FUN
Look at Equinoxmonk before talking something's like it's not Meta Guys !
The best tank is the tank not trying to copy MDI strats
As a brewmaster 8/8hc 612ilvl 4set, mythic dungeons are pain. dungeons are so punishing. that's not even about my tanking but other player's cc etc (even in low keys). Also brewmaster is burden for healer ( dps loss as well)
You forgot to mention shaman tanks... XD
The specc will be reality one day SoD is the perfect test which proves that the idea works! :D
Has this list taken into account the new changes coming to pala lightsmth etc ? why make a tierlist a few days before class tuning comes out ?
I am a Paladin player that plays Paladin Tank and Healer. And Even if Paladins are weaks now. A friend of mine told me to not play it. Of course he is a warrior. I will prove paladin is OP like allways. You can' put tanks in a tier list bt what keys they've don. Play all of them and after show your opinion. Or as healers about what thank is the best for.
Every class is good. But sweaty try hards focus on the BEST class of the patch. Which is fine. But you can play whatever you want dont follow the META if you're not into that.
What is this Paladin T-Mog at 0:09 ?
BDK is by far the hardest tank to play. If you don't do things right, you are made of paper and easily 1-shooted even by trash. You need to go almost into any pack with some short CD mitigations (you will have Vampiric Blood available every few seconds) or you are also made of paper. That being said, it's very fun and getting good at using something that's very difficult and not just the obvious flavor of the month crap is very rewarding. (Im looking at you bear players, you guys suck ;)
Darn, Blood DK strugglin
BDK has always been the hardest to play, now its harder and has button bloat with three more spells to manage with deathbringer, bonestorm and consumption. For me, it does feel as good to play as last expansion, kinda like season 1 of shadowlands without the inability to hold agro but i have had warriors pull agro mid pull. It also has only one heroic set that works worth a damn sigh.
Overall it feels like im ALWAYS on the cusp of being killed even in mid keys depending on how much healing im getting from the healer.
BDK is total easy
Bdk is hard if you dont play it corecltly.
As a main healer I can confirm it.
While puging keys blood dk and guardian Druid are mysterious. They can be awesome or made of paper.
Now you only see Paladins in the Top 500^^
Blizzard made me play ret after all these years of tanking...
Darn, oof, prot still fun tho!
@@MarcelianOnline It's not fun when you're not getting invited... Blizz thinks it will be fine when next patch release, but for many prots it will be way to late. They'll just quit
@@BloodWolfy thats why you grab RL friends and a guild like me. we have our own group and we all play whatever we feel like. avoid pugs... never pug. if someone isn't on we dont play keys. just because we refuse to pug
@@chukky1124 Sound like we play on a different lvl, I need 8 +10s in my vault each week and I don't have tthat much time to play with kids and work
@@BloodWolfy i only do 10s and 11s so far ,but we are also in it for the fun. So we mess around alot on discord sharing vids etc during the run and if we dont time it so be it. But ye no kids or anything haha
Prot pally is definitely not for the faint of heart. I’ve been tanking with that damn thing since BC days.
Bdk and pala in same tier is funniest shit ever
monk in general aside from mistweaver where it beta there was so much hype and was doing sooooo good. then the actual exp comes out and its mid to low grade. :/
Can we get an updated vid? 🙏
I find these fast blast through videos to be almost useless. "XYZ is so cool guys just do it youll have fun, ok moving onto the next thing".
And in typical Blizzard fashion instead of fixing the other tanks, nah, nerf the ones that are doing well 😂
I really hope they fix prot pala. It's been my main since vanilla, and it's just underwhelming.
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they just buffed the shit out of prot palas
Nope
For me, warrior is and always will be S tier.
they already began to nerf prot wars.... first they went to fury, now that fury is butchered they have began to nerf prot, when prot whill be completely unplayable they will be happy, the nerf on prot war are only the beginning.
Where are the nerfs for prot wars?
Hoping for shaman tank
Tanking and healing is unbearable with all the spiky dmg lol might take a break from wow tbh
Best tanks in raids please. Thanks
So tired of trying to heal blood dks that refuse to use defensives. I 've seen plenty that can't stay alive or hold aggro.
Healers when? 😢
Yeah!
So prot pally needs buffs
20% of this video is an ad lol
I do not know why is prot paladin worst he do good damage he also healing dispelling interrupting 🤷
FFS i just wanted to skip to warrior but get 5000 ads, fkin youtube
And for pvp??
So this is a tier list of the top % of players who make up the smallest fraction of players in the game and the majority of ur viewers aren't in the %. Waste of time.
How does it rank in the waste of time tier list compared to posting a comment under a youtube video that you blame to be wasting your precious time? Just wondering
@@chocrikir655 easy, because he's not talking to us about us. He's talking to us about the top %. The majority who can't be on all the time and live the game, what he says doesn't apply to. No comprende?
No its not. Its about the highest Keys. So its the same scaling on lower Keys too. If the class is one Key Level ahead the Key Level doesnt matter....
blood dk is a fake tank with leech
THIS LIST IS SHIT, why is everybody playing prot pala now in the high keys
dps when
A week ago, and two weeks ago :D
First....
enjoy!
please can you make a list without m+ sh*t ? 90% of the wow players are social players and doing delves, followers instance, normal and heroic instance and LFR and normal raids. What i mean is gardian druid might be great is m+ but open world/delves its horrible. Low DPS compare to blood dk or protect warrior. In m+ etc most important is agro and a bit survival but open world or delves you are solo so on your self.
Data for Azeroth says about 1/3 of the player base gets Keystone Explorer. What type of video would you suggest for the "social" people? I've pugged most of my M+ over the years and that's where most of my friends list has come from. I'd say that's pretty social. Delves aren't very hard once you get to the suggested item level for them. Aren't delves designed to be solo end game content? Do people even really speak in LFR? Same for heroic instances? Follower dungeons are also soloable. How can you be social in those things?
90% of players are doing m+ dude, are you high?
I think that I legit NEVER saw such an out of touch point of view xD ! How can you be so blind thinking "90% of wow player are social and doing delves etc " get out of your bubble man.. M+ is damn popular , actually delves are prob mainly done for the vault loot
Can someone please let me know the addons being used at 0:41 , more specifically the name plates.
Thanks!