For the record I would watch both “which deck is the scariest in cEDH” and “which commander is the scariest in real life”. How about both? Give each commander a Spooky Score on art and mechanics! That would be sweet
Really enjoyed this - was expecting some of the mono green decks to make the discussion though (Yisan, Marwyn, etc), since they've been pretty seriously sidelined over the last couple years.
Not sure if it was mentioned but a Magda deck top 16’d the biggest cEDH tournament of all time two weeks ago on a completely new list with no dragons. The deck has seen some innovation and is still performing quite well!
3:40 I think the reason why Magda gets a lot more love than Codie is because it's a Mono-Red deck that wins via combos other than Godo Helm, meanwhile Codie is 5-colour Good Stuff (A deck that's been done to death over the years...)
Damn Cam took apart the Queen? I could never. Was my first deck I made cedh and I've put the fear of dwarves into my friends at the LGS and sure you might take her out, but eventually I'll get there while other ppl waste their resources on the other decks like sisay or yuriko
I have a casual Narset, Enlightened Exile list. I've realized that it's one of those decks that's WAY too much for casual so I might as well go all in and make it cEDH
The difference between Prossh and Korvald, is Korvald you need Squee the immortal and food chain to happen, then you can draw your entire deck and win from there. Prossh just needs something like impact tremors and Food Chain and you just win. So they both need that "one extra" card besides FOOD CHAIN but in my experience as long as you haven't already attempted to cast Prossh over twenty times you can "push" your opponents out of the game through Impact Tremor effects and recasting the commander. Korvald however, if you can't draw cards he doesn't do anything. But i suppose the trick is to have a way to send Prossh to the command zone so you can recast him. He makes for a really funny landfall deck though clunky. Anje Falkonwrath may have all those "dead" madness cards, but you have to remember she is built to get you to your combo fast. Think of her as being DOOMSDAY in your command zone. But she destroys your opponents by discarding cards and drawing cards.
Jeskai partner pile should definitely be Malcolm/Akiri. Malcolm makes treasures, Akiri gets bigger naturally and you can use that as a clock and it comes down faster than Jeska/Ishai isn't an apparent threat right away drawing unfair attention.
I have a casual Akiri deck and can confirm having a first strike vigilance commander that gets bigger is quite strong. I could see Kraum as the other partner though if you want to focus on card advantage instead of ramp, which would be generic artifact value type things. However if you do Malcolm maybe you can afford some artifact stax pieces and swing out at people while they’re locked out?
@@rangodash definitely like the sound of roghrakh/ishai to immediately turn on mox amber and the commander free spells. It just struggles from the angle of having access to mana or cards so if your opening hand is Roger dependant and it gets removed you're screwed.
@@kstandish42 I’ve been brewing around with a turbo stax variant for the past couple months that I think has a lot of potential, and makes headway on the card advantage problem
I really appreciate you brought up oona I made my buddy and oona deck when he first started that is CEDH (no thorracle) because I needed someone to play with that had a strong enough deck but it definitely is lacking.
My wife steal so many game with Anje Falkenrath so... The less scary ? Idk, but i agree with the argument of the 40% dead card with Madness. Steel enjoy your podcast ! My wife surprise me by order your DragonShield sleeve and token form your shop, always want to support you from France !
I got into cedh with Elsha Top and then changed it last year to Jeska & Ishai once I cae Cam's list. I'm currently 21-15-3 in local games/tournaments with it but in the last month I have picked up Kenrith which I am 8-2-2 with. I still love J&I but Kenrith is just better
i have an idea, do a video of a gameplay with one of those cedh cards. I think will be so intresting to watch what actually those decks can do and why there are so bad right now and not seeing much in the cedh meta. Also love the podcast you guys are doing, keep it up :D
The Mimeoplasm will always have a special place in the heart as my first commander. Also, please ask the dogs for their opinions on the next poscast. I would buy a shirt so they get treats but I started college again and don't have much disposable income.
I run a Tymna-Thrasios control deck and actually love playing it. It top 4'd in the last tournament I played in and beat blue farm twice. Still a formidable deck. Love the episode though
Thoughts on Sauron, the Dark Lord? Seems strong, has draw in the Command zone, 7 power, very difficult (or least painful) to kill, allows for Underworld Breach, Thassa lines, wondering if you think he's a contender!
Also, suggestion for a show, Dylan, Cam and Tyler (or some number of Play to Win team) vs Sean Evans of Hot Ones in a cEDH game, only everyone has to eat a Carolina Reaper prior to the game.
43:34 had a guy at my locals play anje. was destroyed almost every game and every time someone hit them or targeted them they would get upset and say "why me? im playing anje! its a bad deck!". Im convinced the deck is reserved for nut jobs.
My pet deck (Muldrotha) is not a great deck, but I love the play style and know it inside and out and it has some stax tech that works well against most of the meta I'm in.
You're completely ignoring the discussion at 10:14 about how there's like 20 decks that are really good. But if your decks identity is "pile of UBxx good cards" then yeah, blue farm or rogsi or tivit do it the best right now.
I think it’s more like being the best deck atm. There will always be a best one and this just so happens to be that I think the meta is good atm bc blue farm is way less centralizing than for example tymna/thras or najeela at their primes
I feel like Selvala should be up here. Selvala was already fringe cEDH before, but now when your whole strategy revolves around casting Return of the Wildspeaker to draw 20 cards, orcish bowmasters absolutely shuts down the deck, and mono green just doesn't have interaction to stay alive.
Great vid, I feel like Prossh was a little underrated though. As the only deck on this list that (to my knowledge) has gotten two top 16s in the past two months, it feels like one of the better ones here. I'd put it above most of the decks on the list just because it has some recent tournament results (even if they're probably a fluke).
The colour argument has a clear example in mono green. There is one mono green dot deck and they have like 10 cards difference between them. You can go ashaya commander, or go yeva and win with ashaya or do the weird selvala stuff. They all suck sadly especially because I love green.
I just want to let the record show that you don’t need an extra piece to win w foodchain Prosh vs other fc decks… you need a different piece, but the same number of pieces. Prosh doesn’t require the squee variant which is the worst of the cards you’d usually need to play. I mean, look, walking ballista isn’t amazing but it does something and goblin bombardment blows but not like squee blows. And you can just sac all your dudes to mayhem devil which is a pretty decent piece. 🤷♂️
I think Armix/Kraum is way better than Magda. I would actually argue for it potentially being the best pure Grixis deck right now. Was a bit surprised to not see more mono-colored decks. If I see a Heliod or a mono-green deck across the table I will probably totally ignore it x)
Honestly I find all the Mono colored decks (except blue) NOT scary themselves. Like my opponent busts out a mon green deck, yeah okay gg thanks for watching lol
I wish instead of ranking strength, you ranked the decks by which has fallen off the most from its peak. That would have made the list more true to theme
Several cards have been banned in the past for stagnating their respective formats. You repeatedly mentioned "why not Blue Farm?". Therefore, should Tymna be banned (or even farther: ban partners)? What does the format look like post Blue Farm winter?
28:25 "everyone is gonna know Blue Farm is the best deck and target it" tell that to my last tournoment that insta targeted my kinnan deck for being kinnan and then 3 games in a row let the blue farm deck have its win
IMO; the less colors = the less scary, Mono blue Urza compared to grixis anything. Urza still obviously top notch powerful, but less random curveballs you can hide.
Codie was fun for a bit, but it folds to literally every single stax piece that sees play right now. Artifact hate, Rol, and even creature hate like linvala.
I think Scion is being slept on rn. Need card advantage? Ancient Silver Dragon. Removal? Any of the black dragons. Wincon? Worldgorger or Ancient Gold Dragon. Imo the best 5 color toolbox outside of Kenrith, but you can play dragons
10:10 Dylan realising that he's about to say 'there are probably around 20 top 10 decks in cEDH' is priceless
For the record I would watch both “which deck is the scariest in cEDH” and “which commander is the scariest in real life”.
How about both? Give each commander a Spooky Score on art and mechanics! That would be sweet
Not at all what I was expecting with a title of "least scary cedh commander" while we're in Spooktober.
P.S. the Toon Blue Eyes shirt is fire
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Really enjoyed this - was expecting some of the mono green decks to make the discussion though (Yisan, Marwyn, etc), since they've been pretty seriously sidelined over the last couple years.
Not sure if it was mentioned but a Magda deck top 16’d the biggest cEDH tournament of all time two weeks ago on a completely new list with no dragons. The deck has seen some innovation and is still performing quite well!
3:40 I think the reason why Magda gets a lot more love than Codie is because it's a Mono-Red deck that wins via combos other than Godo Helm, meanwhile Codie is 5-colour Good Stuff (A deck that's been done to death over the years...)
I really appreciate having all the rankings on screen! It makes it a lot easier to follow along
Damn Cam took apart the Queen?
I could never. Was my first deck I made cedh and I've put the fear of dwarves into my friends at the LGS and sure you might take her out, but eventually I'll get there while other ppl waste their resources on the other decks like sisay or yuriko
By far the best cEDH podcast out there. Y’all are great
Every podcast episode Dylan: “ARE WE RANKING THESE? Please tell me we’re ranking these”
I have a casual Narset, Enlightened Exile list. I've realized that it's one of those decks that's WAY too much for casual so I might as well go all in and make it cEDH
Go for it, she's awesome!
Everytime y'all post as video I become slightly better at magic with each video. Thanks Cam and Dylan ❤❤appreciate it!
The difference between Prossh and Korvald, is Korvald you need Squee the immortal and food chain to happen, then you can draw your entire deck and win from there. Prossh just needs something like impact tremors and Food Chain and you just win. So they both need that "one extra" card besides FOOD CHAIN but in my experience as long as you haven't already attempted to cast Prossh over twenty times you can "push" your opponents out of the game through Impact Tremor effects and recasting the commander. Korvald however, if you can't draw cards he doesn't do anything. But i suppose the trick is to have a way to send Prossh to the command zone so you can recast him. He makes for a really funny landfall deck though clunky.
Anje Falkonwrath may have all those "dead" madness cards, but you have to remember she is built to get you to your combo fast. Think of her as being DOOMSDAY in your command zone. But she destroys your opponents by discarding cards and drawing cards.
Korvold has a bunch of non-food chain ways to win the game. Prossh doesn't, so much.
Jeskai partner pile should definitely be Malcolm/Akiri. Malcolm makes treasures, Akiri gets bigger naturally and you can use that as a clock and it comes down faster than Jeska/Ishai isn't an apparent threat right away drawing unfair attention.
Hmm. That’s good thinking. I kinda think rograkh/ishai has a lot of untapped potential too
I have a casual Akiri deck and can confirm having a first strike vigilance commander that gets bigger is quite strong. I could see Kraum as the other partner though if you want to focus on card advantage instead of ramp, which would be generic artifact value type things. However if you do Malcolm maybe you can afford some artifact stax pieces and swing out at people while they’re locked out?
I wonder if you consider malcolm bruse for the added upside of giving a pirate double strike, or if thats too cute
@@rangodash definitely like the sound of roghrakh/ishai to immediately turn on mox amber and the commander free spells. It just struggles from the angle of having access to mana or cards so if your opening hand is Roger dependant and it gets removed you're screwed.
@@kstandish42 I’ve been brewing around with a turbo stax variant for the past couple months that I think has a lot of potential, and makes headway on the card advantage problem
I really appreciate you brought up oona I made my buddy and oona deck when he first started that is CEDH (no thorracle) because I needed someone to play with that had a strong enough deck but it definitely is lacking.
Loving Cams shirt, I miss WaWa so much. Top east coast exclusive along with pork roll (NJ). The midwest is so bland…
My wife steal so many game with Anje Falkenrath so... The less scary ? Idk, but i agree with the argument of the 40% dead card with Madness. Steel enjoy your podcast ! My wife surprise me by order your DragonShield sleeve and token form your shop, always want to support you from France !
I'm gonna carry my Anje deck with me everywhere I go just in case I run into Dylan or Cam on the streets, ready to pull it out 😤
I got into cedh with Elsha Top and then changed it last year to Jeska & Ishai once I cae Cam's list. I'm currently 21-15-3 in local games/tournaments with it but in the last month I have picked up Kenrith which I am 8-2-2 with. I still love J&I but Kenrith is just better
Was looking forward to hearing you guys talk about Gitrog, then was very surprised to have it not even mentioned lol
Hell yeah!!! Love hearing an Elsha shout-out ❤
Love the content you are making and this video is great! Now you need to make the top scariest cEDH decks, perfect for Halloween coming up.
I did win Ka0s 7 with Sisay. Deck isn't popular, but it is good.
Sisay is amazing! Sadly that Jegantha as companion doesn’t perform as Sisay on its own.
@@Snamify 2 color Sisay, not 5 color. I won using the Sisay they talk about in this video.
Kess is definitely my pet deck and that’s on me for refusing to change, but she still slaps in my playgroup’s meta
What I'm getting from this is the best way to win is to find a blue farm list and replace the commanders with ur dragon so no one suspects you.
i have an idea, do a video of a gameplay with one of those cedh cards. I think will be so intresting to watch what actually those decks can do and why there are so bad right now and not seeing much in the cedh meta. Also love the podcast you guys are doing, keep it up :D
The Mimeoplasm will always have a special place in the heart as my first commander.
Also, please ask the dogs for their opinions on the next poscast. I would buy a shirt so they get treats but I started college again and don't have much disposable income.
Not the Magda slander D:
I mean you aren't wrong but words hurt lol
really loved dylan making sure people know he doesn’t actually withhold food from his dogs 💀💀
I run a Tymna-Thrasios control deck and actually love playing it. It top 4'd in the last tournament I played in and beat blue farm twice. Still a formidable deck. Love the episode though
Is there any chance of getting a link or decklist of Kai's Narset deck?
28:02 I still do not understand why so many cEDH players don’t play basics. You get another fetchland if you play them (Prismatic Vista)
Very very very shocked Shorikai wasn’t mentioned. Especially during the iso-rev mention.
Best way to spend a Friday.
it would be really fun to have a video where everyone's playing one of the bottom cards on this list
Thoughts on Sauron, the Dark Lord? Seems strong, has draw in the Command zone, 7 power, very difficult (or least painful) to kill, allows for Underworld Breach, Thassa lines, wondering if you think he's a contender!
Also, suggestion for a show, Dylan, Cam and Tyler (or some number of Play to Win team) vs Sean Evans of Hot Ones in a cEDH game, only everyone has to eat a Carolina Reaper prior to the game.
43:34 had a guy at my locals play anje. was destroyed almost every game and every time someone hit them or targeted them they would get upset and say "why me? im playing anje! its a bad deck!". Im convinced the deck is reserved for nut jobs.
The prossh list that top 16ed wasn’t on food chain, which is super interesting
i used to play mimeoplasm with buried alive to get blighted agent with anything with 10+ power and some haste. surprised a few people
when paradox engine was first revealed, i made an Azami wizard deck and that deck was so fun. why did they ban paradox ;-;
My pet deck (Muldrotha) is not a great deck, but I love the play style and know it inside and out and it has some stax tech that works well against most of the meta I'm in.
I like your Wawa shirt
Thank you
What we got from this podcast:
Blue farm > all
Gotta love all the polymorph hoops comparisons with Arcam. He's Tinker on a stick.
48:00 - I was literally beginning to write that now you're going to see people spite you and make decks around Anje that wreck you! XD
Okay, next podcast, top ten commanders you don’t want to come across walking through a graveyard on a fall night under a full moon.
Oof. The number of times “you should just play blue farm instead” was said makes me depressed. Sounds like a one deck meta to me.
It's just the most optimal deck right now, and WOTC isn't going to be doing cedh horizons any time soon so the format is badly positioned for shakeup.
You're completely ignoring the discussion at 10:14 about how there's like 20 decks that are really good. But if your decks identity is "pile of UBxx good cards" then yeah, blue farm or rogsi or tivit do it the best right now.
I think it’s more like being the best deck atm. There will always be a best one and this just so happens to be that I think the meta is good atm bc blue farm is way less centralizing than for example tymna/thras or najeela at their primes
@@TJDieter2191and all of them win the exact same way. its like playing cawblade standard but it never rotates
Go look at the top 16 of a big cedh tournament. Usually, you only see 1-3 blue farms. It's actually a pretty varied meta right now.
8:15 lmao you guys are describing my entire Yuriko list but Edric. It's all turn spells and unblockable 1/1s 😂😂
I feel like Selvala should be up here. Selvala was already fringe cEDH before, but now when your whole strategy revolves around casting Return of the Wildspeaker to draw 20 cards, orcish bowmasters absolutely shuts down the deck, and mono green just doesn't have interaction to stay alive.
Was chulane teller of tales ever cEDH?
Great vid, I feel like Prossh was a little underrated though. As the only deck on this list that (to my knowledge) has gotten two top 16s in the past two months, it feels like one of the better ones here. I'd put it above most of the decks on the list just because it has some recent tournament results (even if they're probably a fluke).
What about Ishai/Kediss for killing all of your opponents at the same time for an aggro deck?
The colour argument has a clear example in mono green. There is one mono green dot deck and they have like 10 cards difference between them. You can go ashaya commander, or go yeva and win with ashaya or do the weird selvala stuff.
They all suck sadly especially because I love green.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on yuriko, I kept expecting her to pop up on this list
Sad to see Magda so low :( I just ordered a “budget” version to play in my casual ish pod, was planning to build her up to cEDH slowly.
I just want to let the record show that you don’t need an extra piece to win w foodchain Prosh vs other fc decks… you need a different piece, but the same number of pieces.
Prosh doesn’t require the squee variant which is the worst of the cards you’d usually need to play. I mean, look, walking ballista isn’t amazing but it does something and goblin bombardment blows but not like squee blows. And you can just sac all your dudes to mayhem devil which is a pretty decent piece. 🤷♂️
Missed Sharuum on the list. Also, would love to see a game of 4 of these commanders.
Honey wake up, Play to Win just dropped a new video :O
as someone who plays aganist narset regularly they have 2 ways win now. breach and extra turns.
Im just lovin the blue eyes toon dragon shirt
Where did Dylan get that sick shirt?
I think Armix/Kraum is way better than Magda. I would actually argue for it potentially being the best pure Grixis deck right now.
Was a bit surprised to not see more mono-colored decks. If I see a Heliod or a mono-green deck across the table I will probably totally ignore it x)
Honestly I find all the Mono colored decks (except blue) NOT scary themselves. Like my opponent busts out a mon green deck, yeah okay gg thanks for watching lol
Yo Dylan, where'd you get that shirt @ tho??
26:23 can anyone find me the decklist for this Narset deck they're referring to?
I played cedh Arcum and I was the local boogie man prior to the engine band 😢
Hey Cam, you used to work for Wawa? Or just have a shirt?
What do you think is the next deck to have a similar dropoff?
I will play Prossh both because he's fucking cool and also because I have 16 Kobolds of Kher Keep from Legends to use for the tokens. :D
Dylan just outing Cam instantly as soon as Magda gets mentioned 😂
I wish instead of ranking strength, you ranked the decks by which has fallen off the most from its peak. That would have made the list more true to theme
An Edric list did pretty good at the mox masters invitational. The list lost a lot of the evasive dorks
Dark Deal would be a pick over Misfortune in Rog Si if you needed to run 4 right?
Dark Deal isn't really card advantage, where Wheel of Misfortune would actually net you cards
Love the Wawa shirt
Several cards have been banned in the past for stagnating their respective formats. You repeatedly mentioned "why not Blue Farm?". Therefore, should Tymna be banned (or even farther: ban partners)? What does the format look like post Blue Farm winter?
20:25 dimir… Malcolm Tevesh 🎉
Now i have to go find my old Anje deck and just bury it in the backyard!
Can you do the Dr.Who set review next please :)
I got into cedh because of codie he's goated
I like a casual deck that wants me to play bad cards, that rewards me for playing the underrated cards.
I’m now determined to make everyone fear scion of the ur dragon
So this is an interesting question: What would y'all say is the most underrated cEDH-viable Commander?
Dr. Who set review please?
28:25 "everyone is gonna know Blue Farm is the best deck and target it" tell that to my last tournoment that insta targeted my kinnan deck for being kinnan and then 3 games in a row let the blue farm deck have its win
How good is Jhoira in Cedh these days?
Didn‘t it make top 16 in one of the recent events?
Yeah pretty sure it was commander invasion. Just wondering how good she is in general though seeing as the deck doesn't make too many top 16s.
IMO; the less colors = the less scary, Mono blue Urza compared to grixis anything. Urza still obviously top notch powerful, but less random curveballs you can hide.
I suppose with the added caveat that if I see a 4c blood pod deck I shake their hand and wish them the best sadly.
Surprised Godo didn't make an appearance.
I’m going into this video for once praying you actually DONT mention the Gitrog monster :,( haha
3:09 - 3:12 and 21:40 - 21:44 lmao I can’t with you guys hahahahaha 😆
do a game with the 4 most scariest in the not scariest list
i'm the magda believer
Reppin' that Wawa merch
Captain Sisay gets any legendary card, including spells.
Captain Sissay gets you any legendary spell
Og Narset is a beast
Codie was fun for a bit, but it folds to literally every single stax piece that sees play right now. Artifact hate, Rol, and even creature hate like linvala.
I think Scion is being slept on rn. Need card advantage? Ancient Silver Dragon. Removal? Any of the black dragons. Wincon? Worldgorger or Ancient Gold Dragon. Imo the best 5 color toolbox outside of Kenrith, but you can play dragons
Will from local game group (formerly the 99,) has a pretty crazy arcum dagsson deck
the takeaway i had from this video was go play more t and t