Nine episodes in and she's already rationalising seeing "just one more." Welcome to the Screaming Firehawks Meg! Please don't break the coffee machine.
Recording and uploading each episode every 2 weeks doesn't seem like she is hooked on this show. Glad she is watching, but she is an average reactor. This show is better off with her uploading as infrequently as possible. LoL
The expanse is probably one of the greatest scifi series ever made. Everything about it ticks a box for me. The hard-scifi space combat, the politics, the drama. It has it all.
Notice that Amos initially agreed that waiting for Holden was a bad idea. It wasn’t until Sematimba pulled out his gun and threatened Naomi that he decided to act. Says a lot about the way he approaches violence and conflict in general
I think Amos had been evaluating Sematimbe as possibly someone to follow...he had been going along with Sematimbe to that point and certainly wasn't firmly behind Holden yet. But of course, Naomi is firmly someone to follow and someone to protect for him, so when the gun was drawn, the story was told.
@@kirkdarling4120 he agreed with Semi, but he didn't really know him, or care about his life one way or the other. he was just some guy. The instant you become a danger to Amos or those he cares about, you are removed as a threat as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I love what you said at 5:22, you hit the nail right on the head. I’ve seen plenty of sci-fi, but the Expanse is just a little different and so well done. That’s why it isn’t just my favorite sci-fi show, it’s my favorite tv show. Also the reason that Chrisjen has all of those fantastic outfits is not so that girls can like sci-fi, it’s because it’s a central part of her character. It helps her project real gravitas. When you see her, you know that she’s not someone to be messed with. You never see her wearing the same thing twice. It’s one of my favorite parts of the show.
Yeah, they can treat cancer. Dunno if you've read/seen The Martian by Andy Weir, but he's done interviews on his thoughts on humans going to Mars as a long term thing. His idea for dealing with radiation in space is that we'll just get better at treating cancer - which is a wonderful / horrible engineer's "solution" to a problem.
Good take, especially on Andy Weir's engineer solution "We'll fix that problem when we get to it." BTW, did you notice that Mark Watney exists in the universe of The Expanse?
@@kirkdarling4120I would imagine they would have built a statue of him on Mars even though he's a fictional character akin to the statue of Rocky in Philadelphia
Re: Dawes, i think he did get the message from the anubis. It's insinuated that he reached out to Fred Johnson to go rescue Lionel Polanski, since the destruction of the Canterbury allowed for his goals of overtaking Ceres to accelerate. Julie was OPA, and useful, but he wasn't going to pass up the chance to create a home for belters just to rescue Julie after her mission. Fred had more resources, and was better equipped to handle that
No sure about that (regarding Dawes). Julie’s message stated she’s going to Eros so getting Fred to send a ship to chase after a code name not at Eros doesn’t seem right. My unsubstantiated head canon is that Dawes probably got all sort of shady ops going on and would wash his hands of any that goes wrong.
@@wetfishbits In the flashback, we see Julie watching video of Dawes and Miller meeting for the first time on the docks. That would have been a news report not much later than that moment, so Julie had sent her message at the same time or even before Dawes was trying to pump Miller for information about her. Had he already decided to discard her, given that her mission had failed? That seems unlikely, inasmuch as she was still an active operative who could still be useful...or a loose end if she decided to turn on him. It doesn't seem likely he'd simply abandon her either way. Or, since he didn't know anything about the Protomolecule and her infection, was he simply waiting for his own convenient time before retrieving her?
It was too hot after the construction of the Canterbury, and Dawes didn't want to be tied to it. He fed it to Fred Johnson so he could have a couple of degrees of separation.
Every time we saw Frank DeGraaf, he was always writing with a pencil into a paper notebook...in a world where everyone used hand terminals. Avasarala knew her old friend wasn't merely eccentric. The information she got from DeGraaf corroborated Fred Johnson's statement, so Avasarala knows Johnson is telling the truth and that Errinwright is lying. The reason Mao said, "We got lucky" is because they'd lost track of the Anubis and the Protomolecule sample. Finding a stealth ship dead in space is nearly impossible. But "fortunately," Julie carried the Protomolecule to Eros, right where they wanted it. There are some characters that pretty thoroughly evil...but they always have reasonable rationales. They just do unreasonable things to attain them. Remember that before now, even Miller had only shot one person before. I don't think Holden actually shot anyone even in the melee escaping Eros. I think Holden is still a homicide virgin. You were right about the difference between Holden and Miller. Miller was a street rat on Ceres, breathing bad air, drinking bad water, and malnourished. Holden is a test tube baby with perfect genetics, raised in a pristine environment on an organic farm. You are also right about Amos, and you're noting specific things very insightfully, connecting the dots. Yep, you watch Amos' eyes. Wes Chatham plays that part to perfection. BTW, Wes had been a fan of the books before the series, and his favorite character had been Amos. Wes also conferred with a psychologist to perfect his representation of the kind of person Amos is. As a reminder, the first book ends at the middle of season 2.
I believe Holden did shoot people in the melee. Probably mostly suppressive fire but he was also using a "low" velocity (safe for space vessels) gun against medium grade armour. He's a good enough shot that he'd go for centre mass, thus similar to hitting people in a bulletproof vest. Hurt/stun but not kill. On the other hand, Miller is Mr. Headshot. Not only is he mad/unbothered due to grief, he knows who he's shooting. They were ruthless even without the bio-conspiracy and mass murder. "You get a headshot, and you get a headshot, and you get a headshot..."
Definitely hit Miller harder... got to remember he's a middle aged recovering alcoholic, apart from everything else. James, on the other hand, is a young, fit guy...
Welcome to The Expanse! Great reaction to both episodes! Glad that you see that the writing, directing, acting, music score and special effects are on a different level! I'll never understand why this show never got the recognition it so rightfully deserves! And to think it only gets better from here on! Looking forward to season two!
Holden wasn't showing symptoms of radiation poisoning as quickly as Miller mostly due to being an earther. Miller, being a belter had substandard health care his whole life, plus a ton of alcoholism
I am so glad you said that the show allows you to connect your own dots! I think that is what I love most about the show. It doesn't spoon feed you. You have to pay attention to everything, every shot, every line and you will figure things out often in the time line of the characters themselves. On to Season 2!! Most people love the show by now but season 2 really seals the deal and you will not be able to stop after that!
The actor who played Kenzo (spy guy) was up against Wes Chatham for Amos. The actor said that it was the only time he lost a major role that when he showed up on set to work with the guy who won the role, even he ended up saying, "Oh. No. Chatham was clearly the better Amos and is doing this a way I never would have done. I'm cool with this now."
50:56 I believe You just defined the difference between realism and Utopianism. the Expanse tells a story about how the human issues followed humanity into space, Star Trekk depicts a dream where these issues were solved.
it's not just with same-sex couples, the poly-amorous relationships you'll see are also done so subtly that i didn't understand what was happening until i rewatched it.
Episode 10 is the end of season 1, but not the end of book 1. The end of book 1 is Season 2, episodes 4 & 5. Highly recommended to watch those episodes back to back. Season 2 episode 4's cliffhanger is quite brutal.
To be fair, the "girls watch for clothes" guy did say that he knew that didn't apply to you 😂 He was saying that the rest of us "girls" who aren't already hardcore sci-fi fans now had a reason to watch. I'm not standing up for him - it's been a while since I felt that insulted by something not specifically addressed to me - but he was definitely kissing your butt along with the analysis. The distinction just made it that much weirder and more condescending. I still can't even. As I said in the thread... if you're going to pretend I'm that shallow, at least just accuse me of watching for the hot guys. That's way more realistic than for a single character's wardrobe!
It's a little touch, but Miller touching his lips as he's imagining Julie, that's actually a belter handsign. It's used several times in the season by that prostitute to Havelock as he's in the hospital, Bosch, the guy that Miller interrogates and asks if they were fucking, he does it unconsciously as well. It's really cool how they have stuff down to friggin' hand gestures that is ingrained in the belter culture. Supposedly they're for long distance communication in space, and that "touching lips" gesture means "I love you".
Everytime I watch a reactor watch this episode I can't help but think of the chaos airing this episode would have caused it had dropped simulatneously will all the vaccine mandates.
No Spoilers. You can think of the protomolecule more like a fungus than a virus. Even though it seems simple on an individual cellular level, it exhibits emergent behavior and develops more complex structures as its biomass increases
Amos is really a character that grows on you after a while. Initially, I didn't like him at all since he does have traits that makes him able to kill you in an heartbeat without remorse even if you were friends like 5 minutes ago. But, he has a great character arc and he really grows as a person. He became one of my favorite characters of the show.
Armchair psychoanalysis of Amos seems to be a second career for lots of fans of the Expanse. He doesn't require time on anybody's couch. The most obvious explanation for his mode of handling life is that he has learned, probably the hard way, that brute force and killing is a highly effective method of dispute resolution. That realization does not make him a monster or a brute or somebody in need of time on a shrink's couch.
Ehhh. Our man Amos is like every non-sociopath on the planet. A little therapy wouldn't hurt. ...but let's leave that discussion for a time when it doesn't threaten to reveal spoilers.
I couldnt agree more with the representation stuff... The worst are shows like Captian America & The Winter Soldier... where they whent from "His name is Sam, he is a Friend of Caps and an Avanger" to "His name is Sam, he is Caps BLACK Friend and a BLACK Avanager... look at how BLACK he is !" to than end on an unimpressive "racism is bad" finalle...
Yeah, that's another great aspect of The Expanse for me, they don't shove race or sexual orientations down your throat like many shows try to do, which in my eyes is just making people resent it more and puts it more as something special (positive or negative)... Which it shouldn't be, it should not be present as something special but instead just shown without any elevation. That makes it appear as something more normal.
Sorry, that whole "shades of gray" thing is total BS, it's real "I'm 14 and this is deep" stuff. Just because every person has a justification for their actions doesn't mean there aren't clear cut villains and heroes, and people who could be neither or both
No offense to anyone specific but all this “BS” about all kinds of people getting Representation is the reason why Most shows and movies these days are filthy Garbage, I could honestly give a shit less who is what as long as the acting is good and the characters are believable, I think you’ll find some later characters in the Expanse to be so beautiful and brutally natural at the roles they play that their numerous orientations that do show aren’t important but in a way still define the characters in a positive way.
Nine episodes in and she's already rationalising seeing "just one more." Welcome to the Screaming Firehawks Meg! Please don't break the coffee machine.
Recording and uploading each episode every 2 weeks doesn't seem like she is hooked on this show. Glad she is watching, but she is an average reactor. This show is better off with her uploading as infrequently as possible. LoL
The expanse is probably one of the greatest scifi series ever made. Everything about it ticks a box for me. The hard-scifi space combat, the politics, the drama. It has it all.
It's nice to see Renegade Shepard (Miller) vs Paragon Shepard (Holden) in the same run
The moment the guy pointed a gun at Naomi he was dead.
Notice that Amos initially agreed that waiting for Holden was a bad idea. It wasn’t until Sematimba pulled out his gun and threatened Naomi that he decided to act. Says a lot about the way he approaches violence and conflict in general
I think Amos had been evaluating Sematimbe as possibly someone to follow...he had been going along with Sematimbe to that point and certainly wasn't firmly behind Holden yet. But of course, Naomi is firmly someone to follow and someone to protect for him, so when the gun was drawn, the story was told.
@@kirkdarling4120 he agreed with Semi, but he didn't really know him, or care about his life one way or the other. he was just some guy. The instant you become a danger to Amos or those he cares about, you are removed as a threat as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I love what you said at 5:22, you hit the nail right on the head. I’ve seen plenty of sci-fi, but the Expanse is just a little different and so well done. That’s why it isn’t just my favorite sci-fi show, it’s my favorite tv show.
Also the reason that Chrisjen has all of those fantastic outfits is not so that girls can like sci-fi, it’s because it’s a central part of her character. It helps her project real gravitas. When you see her, you know that she’s not someone to be messed with. You never see her wearing the same thing twice. It’s one of my favorite parts of the show.
Yeah, they can treat cancer.
Dunno if you've read/seen The Martian by Andy Weir, but he's done interviews on his thoughts on humans going to Mars as a long term thing. His idea for dealing with radiation in space is that we'll just get better at treating cancer - which is a wonderful / horrible engineer's "solution" to a problem.
Good take, especially on Andy Weir's engineer solution "We'll fix that problem when we get to it." BTW, did you notice that Mark Watney exists in the universe of The Expanse?
@@kirkdarling4120I would imagine they would have built a statue of him on Mars even though he's a fictional character akin to the statue of Rocky in Philadelphia
@@jeffreyelliott713 They named a ship after him, which may be recognition enough. But a small statue in a museum could happen.
Re: Dawes, i think he did get the message from the anubis. It's insinuated that he reached out to Fred Johnson to go rescue Lionel Polanski, since the destruction of the Canterbury allowed for his goals of overtaking Ceres to accelerate. Julie was OPA, and useful, but he wasn't going to pass up the chance to create a home for belters just to rescue Julie after her mission. Fred had more resources, and was better equipped to handle that
No sure about that (regarding Dawes). Julie’s message stated she’s going to Eros so getting Fred to send a ship to chase after a code name not at Eros doesn’t seem right. My unsubstantiated head canon is that Dawes probably got all sort of shady ops going on and would wash his hands of any that goes wrong.
@@wetfishbits In the flashback, we see Julie watching video of Dawes and Miller meeting for the first time on the docks. That would have been a news report not much later than that moment, so Julie had sent her message at the same time or even before Dawes was trying to pump Miller for information about her.
Had he already decided to discard her, given that her mission had failed? That seems unlikely, inasmuch as she was still an active operative who could still be useful...or a loose end if she decided to turn on him. It doesn't seem likely he'd simply abandon her either way.
Or, since he didn't know anything about the Protomolecule and her infection, was he simply waiting for his own convenient time before retrieving her?
It was too hot after the construction of the Canterbury, and Dawes didn't want to be tied to it. He fed it to Fred Johnson so he could have a couple of degrees of separation.
30:29 oh the sweet innocence of that realisation
Every time we saw Frank DeGraaf, he was always writing with a pencil into a paper notebook...in a world where everyone used hand terminals. Avasarala knew her old friend wasn't merely eccentric. The information she got from DeGraaf corroborated Fred Johnson's statement, so Avasarala knows Johnson is telling the truth and that Errinwright is lying.
The reason Mao said, "We got lucky" is because they'd lost track of the Anubis and the Protomolecule sample. Finding a stealth ship dead in space is nearly impossible. But "fortunately," Julie carried the Protomolecule to Eros, right where they wanted it.
There are some characters that pretty thoroughly evil...but they always have reasonable rationales. They just do unreasonable things to attain them.
Remember that before now, even Miller had only shot one person before. I don't think Holden actually shot anyone even in the melee escaping Eros. I think Holden is still a homicide virgin.
You were right about the difference between Holden and Miller. Miller was a street rat on Ceres, breathing bad air, drinking bad water, and malnourished. Holden is a test tube baby with perfect genetics, raised in a pristine environment on an organic farm.
You are also right about Amos, and you're noting specific things very insightfully, connecting the dots. Yep, you watch Amos' eyes. Wes Chatham plays that part to perfection. BTW, Wes had been a fan of the books before the series, and his favorite character had been Amos. Wes also conferred with a psychologist to perfect his representation of the kind of person Amos is.
As a reminder, the first book ends at the middle of season 2.
I believe Holden did shoot people in the melee. Probably mostly suppressive fire but he was also using a "low" velocity (safe for space vessels) gun against medium grade armour.
He's a good enough shot that he'd go for centre mass, thus similar to hitting people in a bulletproof vest. Hurt/stun but not kill.
On the other hand, Miller is Mr. Headshot. Not only is he mad/unbothered due to grief, he knows who he's shooting. They were ruthless even without the bio-conspiracy and mass murder. "You get a headshot, and you get a headshot, and you get a headshot..."
Wes (Amos) and Steven (Holden) had both read the first book before they were cast on the show, and Amos was Wes' favorite character
Chrisjen uses fashion like a suit of armour. And, make no mistake, she's a warrior. No guns or swords, but she's a goddamn warrior.
I can’t wait! Every question you have is supposed to be a mystery and you haven’t seen a story like it.
Definitely hit Miller harder... got to remember he's a middle aged recovering alcoholic, apart from everything else. James, on the other hand, is a young, fit guy...
Welcome to The Expanse!
Great reaction to both episodes!
Glad that you see that the writing, directing, acting, music score and special effects are on a different level! I'll never understand why this show never got the recognition it so rightfully deserves!
And to think it only gets better from here on!
Looking forward to season two!
Been waiting for these episodes. Strap in for the next two seasons.
Which will take a few years. Lmao
Holden wasn't showing symptoms of radiation poisoning as quickly as Miller mostly due to being an earther. Miller, being a belter had substandard health care his whole life, plus a ton of alcoholism
The opening credits will still illicit an emotional reaction from me.
I am so glad you said that the show allows you to connect your own dots! I think that is what I love most about the show. It doesn't spoon feed you. You have to pay attention to everything, every shot, every line and you will figure things out often in the time line of the characters themselves. On to Season 2!! Most people love the show by now but season 2 really seals the deal and you will not be able to stop after that!
I love Fred's speech so much, yet another one of the things The Expanse does so well - a heartfelt declamation that rings true and doesn't condescend.
Fantastic reaction. Glad you watched these two eps together.
The actor who played Kenzo (spy guy) was up against Wes Chatham for Amos. The actor said that it was the only time he lost a major role that when he showed up on set to work with the guy who won the role, even he ended up saying, "Oh. No. Chatham was clearly the better Amos and is doing this a way I never would have done. I'm cool with this now."
50:56 I believe You just defined the difference between realism and Utopianism. the Expanse tells a story about how the human issues followed humanity into space, Star Trekk depicts a dream where these issues were solved.
The Expanse does an amazing job of "show it don't explain it" when it comes to character backstory and development.
it's not just with same-sex couples, the poly-amorous relationships you'll see are also done so subtly that i didn't understand what was happening until i rewatched it.
They just exist. There is no hint of "Oooohhh, did you see what we did! We're so progressive!" They just exist.
Is it me, or is The Expanse one of the few shows where people LIKE watching the intro?
Episode 10 is the end of season 1, but not the end of book 1. The end of book 1 is Season 2, episodes 4 & 5. Highly recommended to watch those episodes back to back. Season 2 episode 4's cliffhanger is quite brutal.
super dope reaction. I absolutly agree with you about the actors/actress and other things. Now I have to convince my wife to watch the show
In the book, they are zombies.
It's Alive!!! Fantastic reaction to the end of season one and a question.
I also love that Miller told Amos he was beautiful :)
To be fair, the "girls watch for clothes" guy did say that he knew that didn't apply to you 😂 He was saying that the rest of us "girls" who aren't already hardcore sci-fi fans now had a reason to watch. I'm not standing up for him - it's been a while since I felt that insulted by something not specifically addressed to me - but he was definitely kissing your butt along with the analysis. The distinction just made it that much weirder and more condescending. I still can't even. As I said in the thread... if you're going to pretend I'm that shallow, at least just accuse me of watching for the hot guys. That's way more realistic than for a single character's wardrobe!
lmao that griffin mcelroy drop was perfect
Nice teaser at the end, there, eh?
Oh, the places you'll go with this series!
Congratulations!, you have reached level 1 on the craziness scale of the expanse!, you won't reach level 10 until the end of season 3
It's a little touch, but Miller touching his lips as he's imagining Julie, that's actually a belter handsign. It's used several times in the season by that prostitute to Havelock as he's in the hospital, Bosch, the guy that Miller interrogates and asks if they were fucking, he does it unconsciously as well.
It's really cool how they have stuff down to friggin' hand gestures that is ingrained in the belter culture. Supposedly they're for long distance communication in space, and that "touching lips" gesture means "I love you".
Acute radiation poisoning is one of the worst ways to die.
Some of the fans call Amos "murder snuggles" as he's lovable and dangerous at the same time 😃
"Every character is a shade of grey". Wait until you meet Murtry.
Everytime I watch a reactor watch this episode I can't help but think of the chaos airing this episode would have caused it had dropped simulatneously will all the vaccine mandates.
No Spoilers. You can think of the protomolecule more like a fungus than a virus. Even though it seems simple on an individual cellular level, it exhibits emergent behavior and develops more complex structures as its biomass increases
Amos is... that guy.
Omg I love the sticker on your water bottle
I know MOST of the characters that have shades of gray, but there are a few characters that are clearly black or white later in the series.
Amos is really a character that grows on you after a while. Initially, I didn't like him at all since he does have traits that makes him able to kill you in an heartbeat without remorse even if you were friends like 5 minutes ago. But, he has a great character arc and he really grows as a person. He became one of my favorite characters of the show.
I swear, it's so much like mass Effect I love it.
Are you stopping this series Meg? this reaction was a month ago?
27:16 no, he’s TOTALLY just asleep
He was very, very sleepy.
It's indeed alive! XD
Beware, this show is difficult to not binge watch from here...
Hopefully this next episode isn’t so sad…
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
lol it was
Armchair psychoanalysis of Amos seems to be a second career for lots of fans of the Expanse. He doesn't require time on anybody's couch. The most obvious explanation for his mode of handling life is that he has learned, probably the hard way, that brute force and killing is a highly effective method of dispute resolution. That realization does not make him a monster or a brute or somebody in need of time on a shrink's couch.
Ehhh. Our man Amos is like every non-sociopath on the planet. A little therapy wouldn't hurt.
...but let's leave that discussion for a time when it doesn't threaten to reveal spoilers.
Amos changes a lot over the series. All the main characters do.
@@scambammer6102 I would argue that Amos changes least. But let's leave that discussion for a time when it doesn't threaten to reveal spoilers.
@@kirkdarling4120 Fair enough
James SA Corey attended the GRRM school of burying gays, but they fix this later on...
I couldnt agree more with the representation stuff...
The worst are shows like Captian America & The Winter Soldier... where they whent from "His name is Sam, he is a Friend of Caps and an Avanger" to "His name is Sam, he is Caps BLACK Friend and a BLACK Avanager... look at how BLACK he is !" to than end on an unimpressive "racism is bad" finalle...
Yeah, that's another great aspect of The Expanse for me, they don't shove race or sexual orientations down your throat like many shows try to do, which in my eyes is just making people resent it more and puts it more as something special (positive or negative)... Which it shouldn't be, it should not be present as something special but instead just shown without any elevation. That makes it appear as something more normal.
Sorry, that whole "shades of gray" thing is total BS, it's real "I'm 14 and this is deep" stuff. Just because every person has a justification for their actions doesn't mean there aren't clear cut villains and heroes, and people who could be neither or both
and then there are people who start out as villains and become heroes, and vice versa. For a TV show expanse has tons of nuance.
Marco isn't entirely wrong in his message just his actions.
Uh, yeah, no, its not alive.
Does anyone else see a ridiculous amount of screen tearing in the show PIP, or is it just me?
No offense to anyone specific but all this “BS” about all kinds of people getting Representation is the reason why Most shows and movies these days are filthy Garbage, I could honestly give a shit less who is what as long as the acting is good and the characters are believable, I think you’ll find some later characters in the Expanse to be so beautiful and brutally natural at the roles they play that their numerous orientations that do show aren’t important but in a way still define the characters in a positive way.