Firemaking Bushcrafters Are Deceiving You (See Description)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- Not all bushcrafters are as honest as they appear. They'll tell you or let you think that their primitive firemaking materials are straight off the landscape... that they've just found that dry wood for hand or bow drill... that they've just found those dry, quick igniting tinder bundle materials. So often, it appears to me that many of them are simply lying and pre-drying.
The creative editing of the dishonest firemaker is another common tactic. If you see ANY cutaways or edits from the time they start going for the ember until they blow the tinder bundle into flames, then you should question their honesty. APPLY that same standard to me and my firemaking videos, also. I completely understand time constraints and the need to edit out much of the process, but when the video is solely about hand or bow drill, etc., it should show the complete unbroken sequence that led to the flames.
The same goes for the Ferro Rod and Flint And Steel Techniques. Always question the authenticity of videos that only show successful ignitions seconds after cutting to the scene.
One of the most significant impacts of these deceptive practices is the discouragement it can cause for beginners. When fire-making is portrayed as an effortless task that can be mastered quickly, it sets unrealistic expectations for those who are new to bushcraft. Beginners may feel disheartened when they struggle to replicate these seemingly easy techniques, leading to frustration and potentially causing them to give up on learning this valuable skill. It almost made me give up way back at the beginning, too. I thought, "I just must not have what it takes to be a bow driller." I also felt that way when I was trying learn hand drill.
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Not all bushcrafters are as honest as they appear. They'll tell you or let you think that their primitive firemaking materials are straight off the landscape... that they've just found that dry wood for hand or bow drill... that they've just found those dry, quick igniting tinder bundle materials. So often, it appears to me that many are simply lying and pre-drying.
The creative editing of the dishonest firemaker is another common tactic. When you see any cutaways or edits from the time they start going for the ember, get the ember, put the ember into the tinder bundle, and blow the tinder bundle into flames then you should question their honesty. AND! that same standard applies to me and my firemaking videos, also. I completely understand time constraints and the need to edit out much of the process, but when the video is solely about hand or bow drill, etc., it should show the complete unbroken sequence that led to the flames.
The same goes for the Ferro Rod and Flint And Steel Techniques. Always question the authenticity of videos that only show successful ignitions seconds after cutting to the scene.
One of the most significant impacts of these deceptive practices is the discouragement it can cause for beginners. When fire-making is portrayed as an effortless task that can be mastered quickly, it sets unrealistic expectations for those who are new to bushcraft. Beginners may feel disheartened when they struggle to replicate these seemingly easy techniques, leading to frustration and potentially causing them to give up on learning this valuable skill. It almost made me give up way back at the beginning, too. I thought, "I just must not have what it takes to be a bow driller." I also felt that way when I was trying learn hand drill.
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Interesting you would bring this up. I started my YT channel not because I had any desire to do it, but because I got genuinely angry at several videos I watched that were obviously deceptive. Somebody needs to tell the truth on any given subject, and good on you for honesty.
I know the feeling. I just recently saw a big name bow drill tulip poplar which tends to make false embers. Sometimes you have to wait 15 seconds or more to see if the dust is ignited or just steaming. In less than 10 seconds he cut away to him blowing on the ember already in the tinder bundle. I decided to just stop watching such scoundrels.
Same...only got one quite short video so far...and it was a simple flint n steel...still showed the struggle to land a spark....love the channel David!
I laughed watching Funky Prepper try to get a fire going once. I think it was a ferro rod trying to light a fungi him forever.
Not me I'm a Bic guy, lol. Failing that I have a block lasted me 30yr so far. Magnesium block and a ferro rod cast in the other side.
But I do like watching y'all who have the patience doing this
In my language, we have a proverb: those who are adept at something just do it. Those who don't demonstrate it.
Thank You, I think.
Nobody quite like David with the David West channel..!! He is 100% correct with what he said..!! Just so we are extremely clear, bow drilling from wood that has not been dried is not easy, so if it looks too easy, its probably been spliced.. many times we think we may have an ember and its actually just steem from the moisture in the materials..!! And it takes a few attempts to dry the materials out enough to get an ember, and sometime the moisture wins the battle..!!! It would be far better for those other channels to acknowledge this, and start really teaching people rather than trying to look like something they are not..!! Well done and well said sir..!! And thank you for always giving us honest content..!! Semper-fi
Thanks Keith!
Semper Fi to you also, brother!
Another great video!! Seriously, you're my goto for information like this. I especially liked the use of a wool blanket to work on. Wool doesn't burn. (lol I already hear the comments.)
Something else that's occurring a lot on youtube, a young lady wearing a tank top, demonstrating her skill with a bow drill isn't demonstrating her bow drill.
I get the feeling that the camera man is the brains behind the clickbait presentation.
What that lady did a bow drill something must have distracted me I didn't notice that part.
The only friction fire I did on my channel was that I lost the ember, made another one off-camera, and then blew it up to flames. It was during an overnighter, and at that point, I just wanted the fire.
I specified it in the video, don't want to be a fake, nor fool anyone who trusts me. Great points, Dave. I appreciate your honesty, and I learned much from your channel 🫡
Thank you ARAW!
When I was a kid I saw an episode of Andy Griffith where he put match heads in a base board so Barney could make fire with sticks, one of the few things I tried from a TV show. That's how I learned matches can explode if you don't give the fire somewhere to go, scared the hell out of me and turned the tip of the spindle to splinters 😆
Well I know a God fearing man like you would never act decietfuly.
I have. Christians are not perfect...yet. I love Jesus, want to please him, and bring honor to his name.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl If someone is born again acts decietfully, he becomes eaten up in himself. Its hard to perform well when backsliden. Flesh and Spirit at war with in.. I'm a so called revisionist, and I check everything now. My tesitmony.
Good vid David.
The lying on YT I don't care for. Once I catch them lying I don't watch them again.
Man, I thought that spindle was gonna burst into flames there for a second. Another good demonstration of proper technique. I might be leary of other bushcraft youtubers at times , but I feel I could trust you with an edit once in a while. None better IMO . God bless. Have a blessed day.
I certainly have changed since the beginning when I wouldn’t cut anything out from within that “window”. Now my videos are easier to watch at 1/3 the run time. I don’t mind if some think I faked it.
Great video Mr west as always I appreciate you sharing it 👍👌🔥
You could sell your old sets! I'd buy one just to have an authentic David West bow drill set! God bless you
God bless you!
I beg to differ. Given proper choice of material from the land you can produce friction fire with a good multi tool and proper string. Done it multiple times
My very first attempt at friction fire (30+ yrs ago, bow drill, ) produced fire immediately, unfortunately it was quite awhile after that b4 I duplicated that, ,,it is not always the same, thru experience it has become easier, and more consistent, I learned patience and building fire by the numbers proves successful time after time....no real shortcuts,,, no substitute for practice, and knowledge, gained thru experience....ty Dave....
Thank you Robert!
Very nice atmosphere out there david, thanks, and i agree there are many deceivers out there
Thanks Harris!
interesting. I heard it can take up to 2 hours to light a fire. This by Native Australian Aboriginals. Proves your point. Once lit, you keep it going
Up to 2 hours? Got a source for that claim? Primitive Technology is an Aussie amd he shows the process from the start and it doesn't take him 2 hours.
@MisterGames hes not an aboriginal ;)
A solid piece of evidence of fire making the “primitive” way being hard is the effort people went through to keep fire lit, even when moving. Think of ember carriers. Those things where common among all kinds of cultures, people’s and timeperiods until starting a fire became easier than keeping an ember alive at all time. If fire making was that easy people would simply not have bothered carrying something with them that could potentially burst into flames while they where carrying it.
Good job David. I really enjoy your videos.
Thanks 👍
I always find dry wood for friction fire. Never pre-dried anything
Well said, im always questioning those videos where they cut away. Anyone can make it look easy when editing comes to play. A REAL fire craftsman can do it on demand and in one take!
It discourages beginners, too, when you make it look easier than it is. TY!
Hi David! I think it is important that those just getting interested in bushcraft in general and fire making in particular, know the reality that proficiency comes only with practice. Even then, sometimes conditions or substandard materials can make fire making a real bear. I like the fact that you frequently show your own struggles for this reason.
Thanks for that great addition the conversation!
I can see that even when properly dried, it is still work!
Thanks Rod!
great. always watchable. simple is best
The best trick i ever saw was broken off match heads under a hand drill, Gomer and Barney, "fire by constriction" i think is what it was, see ya next time DW
The wood dust is very important and needs to accumulate. When the pile touches the hot spindle it ignites.
Well Dawg gone it David.......You always make it look so easy
Dry sets are easy.
You're right, David. I think the bushcrafters you refer to have an ego issue. There's much more to learn from a person who shows you every aspect of a problem. Thanks for another interesting video! God bless
Well said!
Well dawg gone it David.............................You always make it look so easy
Proven and dry set.
I highly recommend everyone use this method at least once to make a fire, so they will never forget to keep a lighter in their day pack.
The more we learn about and practice primitive fire making techniques, the more we realize how unreliable they are. Always EDC fire-starting tools.
YOU ARE THE FIRE KING!!
TY, friend!
Well done
Heck yeah, I dry all my herbs I grow in my car like that. I cut them off and place them in a brown paper grocery bag and put them in the car for a week, in the summer of course.
It gets pretty hot in the Summer back there.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl very hot and dry.
True. In the floorboard even! In the floorboard, I dried out some very wet pieces of Pine in a 5 gallon bucket, quickly. I crack the windows when materials have a lot of moisture in them.
I have heard of ginseng hunters drying roots in a car.
Good video David, thanks for sharing YAH bless brother !
Thanks for watching
Thankyou for all your instructions. Have a question maybe you have already answered in a previous video but what do you prefer, a hardwood spindle and softer harth or a softwood spindle and a hardwood harth?
Always use like hardnesses such as both made from the same branch. Hard spindles will work on soft fireboards but makes the spindle pointy. Soft spindles will work on hard fireboards but makes the spindle tip flat.
Back to the that dang bow drill my enemy!! lol I need to buy more bic lighters !! Lol
Nothing wrong with that. I EDC a BIC.
Most of the time i have cuts in my video because if i have my phone camera running all the time i would run out storage space so fast i could never do something!
I’m not talking about honest cuts like you and I make. TY!
Always felt " work smarter ....not harder " . That applies to going outdoors also . Cigarette lighters , arc lighters , and if you must go handsy , at least get a lightning strike fire starter . Still the best design ferro system out there . Why people today forget about that thing ? Maybe because its so easy , and dependable , that it wont make them look good . I would rather be lucky , than good , anyday .
I agree that modern fire-starting tools are efficient and reliable. However, the purpose of my videos is not to advocate for always using primitive techniques over modern tools. Rather, it’s about preserving these traditional skills, understanding our history, and being prepared for any situation.
Cheers mate. Diggity dawg honey smacking .!
I’ll be honest that I have never been successful with bow drill fire building!
I have some great tutorials in my bow drill playlist.
I dry kindling wood in a charcoal grill. Cooler, dryer air enters from the bottom and warmer moister air exits out the top.
Dry makes a lot of difference.
yea please do sell your old sets! that would be nice to have an authentic piece of yers!!
People might not like my price, $100 shipped. I imagine the transaction would be something like this:
I choose which wood to use from three of your favorites. I personally harvest the wood, build the set, prove it, and document the entire process in a video.
Once the video is posted, you review it, and decide if you’d like to proceed with the purchase. If so, I send you the spindle, fireboard, fatwood bearing block, and the bowstring that I used in the video.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl I'd be interested. You taught me so much, and I have created a few working bow drill sets, but I'd buy one of yours (and keep it on the mantle probably.)
“Film is truth 24 times a second, and every cut is a lie.”
-filmmaker Jean-Luc Godard
Exactly.
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Don't worry david... I'm always the only one to have to clean out little vacuum too
LOL! of the 4 adults that use it, I always have to clean it out to restore the suction.
Why the negative comment? Just show what you think you know better and forget the negativity.
No.
When "Jack" (of BSS. I won't give him any more notoriety than that. Most of y'all know who im talking about) tried caling out the bushcraft "gurus", he fumbled through his "this is how you reeeeally do it!" demonstration, like he'd never done it before. You at least show competence in your skills. While i get the editing aspect for time, your perspective is also appreciated.
My following video showing Virginia Pine Bow Drill Off The Landscape was 17 minutes long. That’s much too long. Only a few fire making enthusiasts on the planet would be willing to watch it. So yes, I understand the need to edit out much of the content. It’s the perfect “cover excuse” to cheat though.
@DavidWestBgood2ppl some people on this day and age need to remember what its like to be patient, with themselves and others. I know some "just cant", but 17 minutes to make a bow drill fire example/instruction vid is time well spent , says me.
👍👍👍 .. Truth, David. I suspect that a heap of 'jury-rigging' goes on behind some scenes.
One can at times, spot the apparently obvious .. others are more subtle.
The most dishonest are the so-called 'solo' bushcrafters .. many of whom, anybody with basic powers of observation and some common sense, would realise that in all probability, the You Tuber has an entire production support team hidden there on site at the time of filming.
Many, but not all of these posts will have eye-catching 'clickbait' (😏) to catch one's attention and henceforth the 'click' onto the post, thereby registering it.
It is what it is .. but one should realise that many of them are attempting to aggressively 'sell' their channel and, inter alia, exclusively earn a living by doing so.
A late Uncle of mine, a Master Builder / Building Contractor by profession .. one of his hobbies (inbetween building comtracts .. he did 'big stuff') was buying old model beat up motor vehicles, reconditioning them to 'as new' and then selling them at a healthy profit. Uncle Stan was the bodywork specialist and he used to farm out any mechanicals to a good mate of his, 'Buller Benz.
For pocket money during school holidays from boarding school, I used to assist him on his building sites as the 'Site Time Keeper' and more relevant to this post (finally 🙄😏), the bodywork preparation prior to the paint spray job. My uncle drummed into me that, "the most important aspect of a paint job is the preparation."
Likewise, a fire. Preparation, preparation, preparation!
Thanks for the share and until next time, take care ..
Yes, I don’t begrudge them making a living, but the videos have become 50% to 80% infomercials. I had to stop watching them.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl 👍
It gets the saw dust out of the car
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on honesty on youtube: youtube is not an educational platform to begin with and it is always about content consumption. barely anything is "real" here. i hate to say it but i've learned more from books written by experts of the field and by taking professional courses (onsite or online). whoever is good enough can start a school, hold workshops, etc.
most people struggle with bow drill because there's barely any people on youtube who can explain everything about bow drill (suitable species, material selection, making the set, body position, speed and pressure relation, etc). even then, you'd need some feedback from more knowledgeable people about what you're doing right/wrong. you can fail at bow drill for multiple dozen reasons. bow drill is a complex and difficult skill with a lot of variables and if you tell this to any beginner, they won't get discouraged if they don't succeed in 5 mins.
even if they show an unedited attempt at bow drill and they succeed, i can still tell that some people are just forcing out the ember from the wood, the whole set is rocking, their body is tense, etc which indicated bad technique/lack of understanding. it should be almost like playing the cello.
conclusion: if you're a beginner, self study from youtube is dangerous because you don't know what's legit and real and what's not.
PS: i learned fire roll from your videos
For me it was TH-cam videos and my TH-cam mentor Gundog 5.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl Yes, Gundog 5 was very good. Watched most of his too. I love your videos, but wish he still posted also.
Seems like once he stopped posting, that was it, done, gone.
Lots of fakes nowadays……
I strive to provide accurate and honest demonstrations in my videos.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl agreed….honesty is a rare thing…..seems everything is a hustle or a scam……thanks for touching on the subject….your a good scout…I’ll subscribe.✌️❤️🇺🇸
Thank you!