This might be my favorite DDC episode. I'm totally onboard the nostalgia train, ( I went to When We Were Young this year and it was fantastic 😂) but I'm also super grateful for people like you, that broaden my horizons when it comes to music. ❤ One of my favorite records of yours is NOT a Refused record, so thank you for pushing boundaries and continuing to explore your creativity as an artist. 🙏
Thanks a lot, Dennis, for next great video. I'm always fascinated with your profound knowledge of music and culture in general. Nostalgia is a really strong phenomena. I totally agree with your point on roots of that feeling. This is good way to find in things which belong to the past some comfort against disarray of the modern times. Personally I buy cassettes of albums which I know very well. I've totally embraced that cassette culture as a good nostalgic thing. Thank you for mentioning Slayer. They are one of my all time favorite bands. Thank you very much!
Also one bands comes to mind that people have sort of forgotten, but have been putting out good records even after their so called haydays in the 90s/early 2000s. Manic Street Preachers. Especially "Postcards From A Young Man(2010)" and "Rewind The Film(2013)" have lot of good songs in them
LOVED this video Dennis. I agree, Pylon is a fantastic album.. Killing Joke have got to be one of my favourite bands of all time and most of their output in their later years has been just as good as their earlier stuff (just in a different way). Same goes for that Bunnymen record.. really solid. Would be great if you did more of these types of videos where you recommended your favourite artists later albums that some people might have missed/overlooked!
Great episode, lots to think about! The current appetite for nostalgia is at a peak in the U.K. right now, as an occasional gig promoter it's frustrating that many venues prefer to book tribute acts rather than original music - soul destroying for many bands and artists who want to perform their own material. But it's all about getting the balance right - I think you have it Dennis as you are always challenging yourself and your audience with new projects but can also get Refused on the road and recording new material too. Iggy and Killing Joke were great examples - happy to throw in new material with all the classics. Sparks are one band who have it down perfectly - they can do a gig in two halves - a new LP straight through followed by a greatest hits set or have played ALL their albums one by one on consecutive nights or can go on tour and just play as a duo with a piano - keeps everyone happy and interested. Post-Punk legends Wire are still producing great music but do not pander to nostalgia at all whereas some of their contemporaries just go out and play their greatest hits all the time. Considering I have a Blog called Retro Man and a Podcast called Retrosonic - initially started to talk about old music and gigs and the experiences of Rock Photographer Paul Slattery and some of the bands he worked with (Joy Division, Smith, The Clash, Dr. Feelgood etc) - it soon got swamped with so much new music that 90% of the stuff we do is brand new releases - including our Podcast together Dennis, where we concentrate on Fake Names rather than get too nostalgic over the old back catalogue. I guess it also puts pressure on the band/artist to keep coming up with new music and new projects that are as good as , if not better than all the old classics so fans don't keep turning up shouting out "play the hits!" :-)
I was lucky enough to see Iggy back in 2016 in Philadelphia during his Post Pop Depression tour, with Queens of the Stone Age and Matt Helders from the Arctic Monkeys on drums...it was surreal, nostalgic, and just an incredible experience. Iggy is the man. Congrats on all of the success of Shape of Punk to Come! While it will always be an amazing and timeless album, I always suggest War Music to people unfamiliar with the Refused. That album is phenomenal.
This is great, thank you for digging into this topic. Punk means a lot of things to me but most importantly it's the creativity thing. I want all my favorite bands to keep pushing into new territories. I'm also a huge bad religion fan who will buy every record they make with very clear expectations of what I'll be hearing. So...Ha. Punk = nuanced. Never stop growing!
I love bands that are always pushing for something new. I almost dont hear any new releases that sounds like more of the same. Beatsteaks is one of my favourite bands and every realease from them I feel like its their best record.
Had just thought about this the other day, when the Cavalera brothers put out those sepultura cover (😅) albums. What a strange thing to do. On the bright side, neubauten is SUCH a great example, they are always so awesome
Again a very impressive episode, thank you! For me, I‘ve kept following Def Leppard even if the new albums aren’t not as close to my heart than the first four, but I was very impressed by the self-titled album that was released in 2015! Also for me Judas Priest released with Firepower in 2018 the best album since Painkiller in 1990, but I definitely can‘t listen to the albums without Rob Halford for sure!
Also with new music I‘ll always check out the latest releases of following artists: Walter Schreifels, Rasmus Kellerman, David Lehnberg, Eric Fuentes, Annika Norlin and of course yours…
Another banger, for you! As for Nostalgia and its discontents: Once again, I'm thankful to be a "poseur". Way, way back when, my peers decided I wasn't a "punk" I was a poseur, so, it's kinda hard to have nostalgia for a tribe you got rejected out of. There's another freedom, for you- if you can accept the rejection, what does it matter who is doing the rejection? So, I can show up to any basement show, any club gig, any theatre, even a stadium, and I know, it's not my tribe, I'm just there for a good time. So, it's pretty easy for me to find good new music and art- I'm not looking for the next great "punk" record, just the next record that I find satisfying. If a band releases a record I don't like, it's not a big deal- maybe the next one. So, to answer your question: I like Wire for both Nostalgia, and not nostalgia. Maybe there's a few records in between that weren't my thing, but they'll put out something more satisfying for me, next time. As for Killing Joke- a warning, I'm not objective- I don't dislike any record they put out. Yes, I even like "Outside the Gate". But I agree that Pylon was deeply satisfying. I still think "Absolute Dissent" is a better record, but I can see how that doesn't fit with your theme. One final thing: I was literally having a very, very similar discussion with a couple of members of Baroness last week . Who cares about whether they are Trve kvlt or not? It's not about a record released a month ago, or 20 years ago. It's about "here we are, tonight" Maybe the agreement between audience and band is that we want to lay back and enjoy some proggy jams. Maybe, it's all about the mosh pit, tonight. There can't be any nostalgia if it's all about right here, right now....
Great video. As a person who loves many bands from the 60s\70s\80s , I really have issues with the 'nostalgia culture'. While I love to hear and talk about music from the past; I do that to put music in a social & cultural context & to understand how music has evolved over the years. Meanwhile Nostalgia culture is exploitative, conformist and culturally reactionary - it alienates people; it presents people a cartoonish version of the past ( with no meaningful context) and it offers nothing for the future. When you visit some of these nostalgia channels, you can see many comments like 'I love 70s music, the world was a safe place in the 70s' . I cringe at their ignorance. I can imagine these people grew up in white middle-class neighbourhoods & completely unaware of what was happening in the world. I see these types of people a lot in classic rock nostalgia circles. Anyway I agree people need to balance legacy bands with new music and new bands.
We saw Swans for the billionth time recently and Gira continues to be anti-nostalgia. Only music from the last 2 records, with one song unrecognizable from the recorded version. The Walkmen didn't play new material and likely don't intend to record new work but they were fantastic regardless.
Greetings from Brazil, I loved discovering your channel. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I loved everything you said about nostalgia and music.
This might be my favorite DDC episode. I'm totally onboard the nostalgia train, ( I went to When We Were Young this year and it was fantastic 😂) but I'm also super grateful for people like you, that broaden my horizons when it comes to music. ❤ One of my favorite records of yours is NOT a Refused record, so thank you for pushing boundaries and continuing to explore your creativity as an artist. 🙏
Thanks a lot, Dennis, for next great video. I'm always fascinated with your profound knowledge of music and culture in general. Nostalgia is a really strong phenomena. I totally agree with your point on roots of that feeling. This is good way to find in things which belong to the past some comfort against disarray of the modern times. Personally I buy cassettes of albums which I know very well. I've totally embraced that cassette culture as a good nostalgic thing. Thank you for mentioning Slayer. They are one of my all time favorite bands. Thank you very much!
Once again, really interesting video from you Dennis! Been thinking often a lot of these kinda things by myself about music and nostalgia. Thanks🙂👍
Also one bands comes to mind that people have sort of forgotten, but have been putting out good records even after their so called haydays in the 90s/early 2000s. Manic Street Preachers. Especially "Postcards From A Young Man(2010)" and "Rewind The Film(2013)" have lot of good songs in them
LOVED this video Dennis. I agree, Pylon is a fantastic album.. Killing Joke have got to be one of my favourite bands of all time and most of their output in their later years has been just as good as their earlier stuff (just in a different way). Same goes for that Bunnymen record.. really solid.
Would be great if you did more of these types of videos where you recommended your favourite artists later albums that some people might have missed/overlooked!
Deeply grateful to you for sharing your wisdom and experience with us.
I appreciate you Dennis. 💫🙏🏽
Don’t know how much wisdom it is but. .. haha. Thanks.
Great episode, lots to think about! The current appetite for nostalgia is at a peak in the U.K. right now, as an occasional gig promoter it's frustrating that many venues prefer to book tribute acts rather than original music - soul destroying for many bands and artists who want to perform their own material. But it's all about getting the balance right - I think you have it Dennis as you are always challenging yourself and your audience with new projects but can also get Refused on the road and recording new material too. Iggy and Killing Joke were great examples - happy to throw in new material with all the classics. Sparks are one band who have it down perfectly - they can do a gig in two halves - a new LP straight through followed by a greatest hits set or have played ALL their albums one by one on consecutive nights or can go on tour and just play as a duo with a piano - keeps everyone happy and interested. Post-Punk legends Wire are still producing great music but do not pander to nostalgia at all whereas some of their contemporaries just go out and play their greatest hits all the time. Considering I have a Blog called Retro Man and a Podcast called Retrosonic - initially started to talk about old music and gigs and the experiences of Rock Photographer Paul Slattery and some of the bands he worked with (Joy Division, Smith, The Clash, Dr. Feelgood etc) - it soon got swamped with so much new music that 90% of the stuff we do is brand new releases - including our Podcast together Dennis, where we concentrate on Fake Names rather than get too nostalgic over the old back catalogue. I guess it also puts pressure on the band/artist to keep coming up with new music and new projects that are as good as , if not better than all the old classics so fans don't keep turning up shouting out "play the hits!" :-)
I was lucky enough to see Iggy back in 2016 in Philadelphia during his Post Pop Depression tour, with Queens of the Stone Age and Matt Helders from the Arctic Monkeys on drums...it was surreal, nostalgic, and just an incredible experience. Iggy is the man. Congrats on all of the success of Shape of Punk to Come! While it will always be an amazing and timeless album, I always suggest War Music to people unfamiliar with the Refused. That album is phenomenal.
Iggy is always great and I almost reached for that album.
And thanks. Love war music.
This is great, thank you for digging into this topic. Punk means a lot of things to me but most importantly it's the creativity thing. I want all my favorite bands to keep pushing into new territories. I'm also a huge bad religion fan who will buy every record they make with very clear expectations of what I'll be hearing. So...Ha. Punk = nuanced. Never stop growing!
I love bands that are always pushing for something new. I almost dont hear any new releases that sounds like more of the same. Beatsteaks is one of my favourite bands and every realease from them I feel like its their best record.
Had just thought about this the other day, when the Cavalera brothers put out those sepultura cover (😅) albums. What a strange thing to do. On the bright side, neubauten is SUCH a great example, they are always so awesome
People do love to talk about shape and songs to fan but i think war music and the newer ep was on par with those releases. Love them
Thanks. Yeah, really proud of those.
Great reflection...
Its so nice to have this channel and feel like you are really talking about music, not just consuming it like fast food.
Again a very impressive episode, thank you! For me, I‘ve kept following Def Leppard even if the new albums aren’t not as close to my heart than the first four, but I was very impressed by the self-titled album that was released in 2015! Also for me Judas Priest released with Firepower in 2018 the best album since Painkiller in 1990, but I definitely can‘t listen to the albums without Rob Halford for sure!
Also with new music I‘ll always check out the latest releases of following artists: Walter Schreifels, Rasmus Kellerman, David Lehnberg, Eric Fuentes, Annika Norlin and of course yours…
Totally forgot to mention Ian MacKaye cause The Evens and Coriky are awesome 😊
Another banger, for you! As for Nostalgia and its discontents: Once again, I'm thankful to be a "poseur". Way, way back when, my peers decided I wasn't a "punk" I was a poseur, so, it's kinda hard to have nostalgia for a tribe you got rejected out of. There's another freedom, for you- if you can accept the rejection, what does it matter who is doing the rejection? So, I can show up to any basement show, any club gig, any theatre, even a stadium, and I know, it's not my tribe, I'm just there for a good time. So, it's pretty easy for me to find good new music and art- I'm not looking for the next great "punk" record, just the next record that I find satisfying. If a band releases a record I don't like, it's not a big deal- maybe the next one. So, to answer your question: I like Wire for both Nostalgia, and not nostalgia. Maybe there's a few records in between that weren't my thing, but they'll put out something more satisfying for me, next time. As for Killing Joke- a warning, I'm not objective- I don't dislike any record they put out. Yes, I even like "Outside the Gate". But I agree that Pylon was deeply satisfying. I still think "Absolute Dissent" is a better record, but I can see how that doesn't fit with your theme. One final thing: I was literally having a very, very similar discussion with a couple of members of Baroness last week . Who cares about whether they are Trve kvlt or not? It's not about a record released a month ago, or 20 years ago. It's about "here we are, tonight" Maybe the agreement between audience and band is that we want to lay back and enjoy some proggy jams. Maybe, it's all about the mosh pit, tonight. There can't be any nostalgia if it's all about right here, right now....
Great video.
As a person who loves many bands from the 60s\70s\80s , I really have issues with the 'nostalgia culture'. While I love to hear and talk about music from the past; I do that to put music in a social & cultural context & to understand how music has evolved over the years. Meanwhile Nostalgia culture is exploitative, conformist and culturally reactionary - it alienates people; it presents people a cartoonish version of the past ( with no meaningful context) and it offers nothing for the future. When you visit some of these nostalgia channels, you can see many comments like 'I love 70s music, the world was a safe place in the 70s' . I cringe at their ignorance. I can imagine these people grew up in white middle-class neighbourhoods & completely unaware of what was happening in the world. I see these types of people a lot in classic rock nostalgia circles. Anyway I agree people need to balance legacy bands with new music and new bands.
Yes. I agree. And that balance is tricky but we need to find it.
And thanks for digging the video.
We saw Swans for the billionth time recently and Gira continues to be anti-nostalgia. Only music from the last 2 records, with one song unrecognizable from the recorded version.
The Walkmen didn't play new material and likely don't intend to record new work but they were fantastic regardless.
Love the Swans. True inspiration in that sense.