Peter Jones: Paganism in Today’s Culture
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- Many consider paganism a dead religion that was practiced thousands of years ago. However, paganism’s ideas still affect us today. In this session, Dr. Peter Jones describes how paganism continues to be a force in today’s culture. He points out places where pagan thought affects the world’s way of thinking, and he describes how Christians can guard against that influence. He also explains ways that Christians can renew their minds and live as children of God among a twisted generation.
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I had the opportunity to speak at one of Peter’s conferences that became the book “Global Wizardry.” I wrote the chapter on Jung. Peter Jones is a great example of what clear thinking, good education, and even better presentation skills can produce. We desperately need preaching/speaking of this caliber in the Church today.
We owe a debt of gratitude to Peter Jones.
He has unmasked the neo-paganism which underpins liberal-progressive Christianity.
Now we must get out there and preach the true Gospel and the Biblical view of fallen humankind.
i know conservative neo pagan norse who served in the military to defend our country. Go preach though, i'm sure thatll go over real swell.
@@nightshademagickian4140 Acts 19:19-20
Wowww this was spoken 6 years ago he was spot on especially in today's society....The Mother God cult is growing tremendously. thank you great lecture. Let's keep spreading the Gospel with also praying for our lost brother's and sisters.
Amen!!
Over 3 decades ago I asked the Lord to teach me about psychology as He knows it to be. Immediately the words” The Seduction If Christianity” came into my mind. I somehow knew it was a book. Continuing to prat, I went to the Bible book store. I found the book and read it. It is all about what scriptures say and what psychology says. They are completely opposites! After that I continued to pray for wisdom to discern false teaching. George Whitfield said,” There are many dead churches because they have dead men preaching to them.” I must agree. I have heard many preachers using psychology, new age, mysticism , and very little if any scriptural truth. These are the days of strong delusion by which many are being deceived because the failed to live the truth. We must pray for wisdom, discernment, faithfulness, and perseverance. May we, like those in Revelation, overcome the enemy by the blood of the lamb, the word of our testimony, and may we not love our lives when threatened with death; may we not deny Christ.
who is the author of the book you mentioned, I would like to read it?
@@wranga88 The authors were Dave Hunt and Tom MacMahan. In addition, Peter Jones and Carl Teichrib have written good books on the subject.
always feeding yourselves to the lion, no pagan is going to start killing christians. This isnt the dark ages. Stop creating a crisis in your heads. We're more likely to all get nuked or watch civilization collapse due to economic problems. Believe it or not most pagan societies intregrated into Christian society while retaining some or most of their cultural beliefs, most pagan religions dont view gods in the same light. Ancestral, less divine. Many have made room for Jesus and Christians without any notion of conversion. And we can agree psychology is questionable, many were nihilist atheists who would view both pagans and christians as equally deluded
Can't help but to be a champion of this gentleman. Great message & delivery. Thank you!
I studied many of the ideas of Carl Jung (and acolytes like Joseph Campbell) and the new age movement, and I don't think I've ever seen a more troublesome view of where our western society is headed than the one that Christian scholar Peter Jones here deduces that we are headed inexorably towards. His talk is a fascinating look at the "post-secular," pagan culture that is being increasingly ushered in now. More so than in anytime since the early Roman Empire, we in the West are living in a pagan age. It is critical that we understand the over-arching movement and zeitgeist if we as Christians are to continue to have success teaching in our churches and talking with others in our families and communities about God. Thank you Peter Jones for your important work, and the contribution you give to us in making sense of the sweeping cultural changes occurring in the West now.
God of the West is called Comfort. And this is the essence of paganism.
If Christians have the answers, then why are there so many denominations?
Besides, there are many religions that satisfy the needs of many people.
As long as we don't hurt each other and have respect for the rest of nature and the planet,
I don't see a problem. So called Christian countries have failed miserably in that regard.
If by Pagan Age you mean people moving away from the sexist, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bigoted, and hateful history that is "christianity" then yes, it's a Pagan Age. People are moving further and further away from "christianity" because of it's bigotry, prejudice, intolerance, and hypocrisy that has become the definition of your religion.
@Jamie Winters Thanks for admitting you cannot disprove a single point I made and can only go on long and rambling delusional rants instead.
phoenix1985 aren’t those things the definition of man?
Thank you Dr Jones ... a clear, powerful, and very timely presentation
How timely this message. We are here NOW- oneness
The word "deconstruct" and "construct" use dominates the media. Paganism. Colossians chapters 1-3. Christ must be center and wil be glorified. Psalm 2!
great communicator...well done Peter
I'll tell you where the crisis of Christianity has come from - it's come from Christian churches abandoning the message of the Gospel, it's come from pride and greed of the church officials - something that Lord Jesus Christ criticised so heavily when speaking to the Pharisees. Didn't He say: You took the keys to the kingdom of heaven, you didn't go in and you didn't let others to go in.
The path from atheism to paganism proves that we've not been created atheistic, we need a religion. I don't see it as an end of Christianity, more like a very much needed renewal. Humans will find the True God once they realise that other gods and goddesses have nothing to offer. But the responsibility for all this isn't on Jung and Hinduism alone. It falls on the church too.
Romans 1:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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Yes, there are two
Dr Jones. I enjoyed your talk if your ever in Wales UK I would love to take you out to lunch. Every Blessing.
If I am ever in Wales, I'll look out for that lunch too
@@CC-2020 sounds great, just let me know when your in the country. Every Blessing in Christ to you.
1.All inclusive self justifying Rationalize COSMOLOGY =one-ism =Hinduism
2.Robust Convincing Couragious COSMOLOGY of Truth =Two-ism= Christianity
This is the LESSON of 40 min lecturer
Correct; but we miss that the common cosmogony of the church today is theistic evolution: it mixes metaphysical naturalism with Christ! Of course, mix anything with Christ, the creator, and Christ is rejected. Evolution is a materialist monism/one-ism; that denies the reality of the soul and of personhood.
Excellent presentation! Thanks for posting!
Do you support all lying propaganda? Or just the ones that attack other religions with lies?
This is great!
Comparisons must make sense. Dr. Jones is offering a philosophical critique. He is not performing a technical procedure. If you are claiming that only a pagan can talk about paganism, that is refuted by academic practice. Suggesting restrictions upon speech is hardly responsive to what Dr. Jones is saying. And your comparison is logically irrelevant. The philosopher Bertrand Russell criticized religion generally and Christianity in particular. I have heard criticisms of his essay, "Why I Am Not a Christian," but I have never heard legitimate opponents denounce his right to speak. That is what you have done in Dr. Jones case. Shame on you.
The rules of response are simple. You must show wherein a position is misinformed, uninformed, inconsistent, or incomplete. You must do one of those four things; else you simply have nothing to say. I should think that within those limitations you could find quite a bit to say that would be to the point.
The comparison to a surgeon removing cancerous tissue as somehow an appropriate refutation to Dr. Jones' criticism of pagan thought is absolutely astounding. Scholars who are not Hindus have for years written about Hinduism, just as scholars who are not themselves Christian have written about Christianity. This could be extended to include many religious belief systems, cultural traditions, and philosophies. A cultural anthropologist does not have to become a member of a primitive tribe to write a competent scholarly paper about that tribe's traditions.
By all means, disagree with Dr. Jones. I have already given you the rules I wouldn't dream of telling you that you have no right to speak. But please say something that makes sense. What you have argued, if taken seriously, simply ends any academic discussion on any issue. What you don't see, apparently, is that your criticism logically applies to itself. If a non-pagan cannot speak about paganism, then a non-Christian cannot speak about Christianity. From its beginnings, Christianity set itself against other religious systems; consequently, Dr. Jones speaks legitimately within that Christian tradition. Your criticism, therefore, is a criticism of Christianity. I don't mind that; Dr. Jones may be wrong. But unless you are a Christian, why aren't you obeying you own rules. Why do you believe yourself qualified to criticize Christianity but affirm that Dr. Jones is unqualified to criticize paganism? You are simply going to have to come up with a better refutation.
brilliant...
Syncretism - the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought and interfaith dialogue can easily slip into this embracing pagan worldview.
Hi Ehm Bbr - maybe you should actually listen to the conference before you take folks' time having to read irrelevant and worn out attacks on Christianity. You may think what you wish about Dr. Jones' content, but he's far from "nuts". Do your research on both Jones and his content.. BG
Maybe not nuts but definitely mis and ill informed.
phoenix1985 rubbish
Reading his book ‘Gospel truth Pagan lies’ excellent
Where could I find this information on this book?
Something to think about.
Only if youre uneducated.
Re: “death of God” what about Nietzsche?
Re: USA, weren’t the founders deists & masons?
1 If You all have not seen a documentary called.... It's worse than you think... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministries... I suggest you do... all praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
Genesis 6:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
120 years x 50 jubilees = 6000 years = NOW
2 Esdras 6:9
“For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”
King James Version (KJV)
James Lindsey takes the seed Peter began and has brought it home in his lectures on the pseudo religion of gnostic hermetics. Highly recommend for anyone looking to understand this area of culture fully.
James Lindsay babbles nonsense in an attempt to sound intelligent
Paganism is coming back, Christianity is dying, and I for one couldn't be happier
That’s a whole lot of words just to say, “I’m a bigot and new ideas scare me.”
Everything Christians have, everything, was stolen from the gods. Days of the week, months, holidays. Even most of the stories. Someday the gods will have the vengeance.
The gods you speak about are the fallen angels who hate humanity and deceive them to no end. Yes they will have their revenge, the Bible's last book of Revelation speaks of it. Those who aren't saved by Jesus, will indeed feel that revenge upon them, unfortunately.
Also, Christians did not steal the dumb names for the week, months and holidays, please read up on your history. Become better informed.
@@thebalancedway7639No, Christian Holidays Is A Pagan Holidays, Jesus Statues Is A Roman Philosophy, Where Is Monotheism In Christianity? You Accept Idol Of Jesus, And Hate Idolatry 😂😂😂😂, Many Facts Accept Pagan Truth.
@@thebalancedway7639Gods It's Not Fallen Angels, Fallen Angel Myth Is A Jewish It's Not Christian Origin And Halloween,Noel(Xmas) Is A It's Not Christian Holiday, Many Scandinavians Accept Xmas In Ancient Time, It's Not St.Nicolaus, Christians Called (Santa Claus,Saint Claus Or Nicolaus) Good North Grandpa (Santa) Is A Many Old Festival And Old Thing, And Christianity Is A Judeo-Roman Religion In 1St Century
@@thebalancedway7639Your Bible It's Not Original Bible, Popes And Patriarch Destroy Many Other Bibles And Accept Mark,Luke,Matthew And John, Jesus Is A Reformer In 1St Century, It's Not Son Of God Or God, Nicaea Council And Other Councils Accept Theree Nature Of God, This Is A Polytheism.
very much not dead. pagansim is growing and returning to our people, while the foreign cancer of Christianity is dying.
Mormonism comes to mind!
Julian the Apostate the greatest Emperor to have live. So dangerous was his treatise "against the Galileans" and so irrefutable it was that the church had to have all copies burned. Someone one day (not Jung) will be born of this earth and will finish truly what he started and will write a "Against the Galileans II"
And once again people will be enslaved to the endless pointless corridors of pagan delusion; they will be locked up to suffering and injustice without relief or purpose instead of the bliss of the being in the family of the creator, with the only requirement: repent and believe.
@@dagwould Read Platonic school of works, you'll realise your "belief" misguided, the things you believe are not actually reality. I do not deny the power of God unlike the Galileans, those who use to fit God into their ideological box and give God human attributes, you should not diminish the source of all things to that degree.
@@dagwould Also as Jewish Rabbis show Jesus was a false prophet.. read your own book minus the New Testament ;)
@@thesaxonstandard2936 I believe from your own words it's actually you who is misguided and believe erroneous things about those whom you accuse - no wonder you accuse them, but only because you have built a strawman.
@@thesaxonstandard2936 *"Also as Jewish Rabbis show Jesus was a false prophet.. read your own book minus the New Testament ;)"*
Actually the truth is the reverse of what you have convinced yourself - but that's normal, people who have not been saved/reconnected with God, always see things upside down, and backwards to what they really are. You yourself are under this effect, because you reject the true Creator, and have set up your own idol in your mind. Something false that you want to be true. That's called self-deception.
Just as Jesus exposed the false rabbis in His own day, as being separated from God due to the addition of their own godless traditions, so too the same problem with has remained in the Jewish community. Rare is the rabbi who sees things clearly as the Lord leads him.
Yet in the world of Christianity, God works mighty things: saving millions upon millions of lives over the past 2 millennia. Today it is no different, TH-cam is awash with testimonies of people coming from every walk of life, from every other false religion upon this Earth, they are testifying how Jesus Christ called them to come and to follow Him.
Some of these people are from backgrounds where Jesus is known about - AND HATED. Other backgrounds, where Jesus is known - and distorted. And many backgrounds where no one ever heard of Jesus.
But the best testimony is that thousands of Jews are coming to Christ and have been doing so for quite a while - where they themselves testify of the error of their own rabbis and the truthfulness of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You should seek all of these endless testimony videos out, if there is a spark of honesty in you left, it will work to your advantage by opening your eyes and melting your heart. For you have become hard-hearted, bitter and deceived by your own false knowledge, which God proves as foolish.
Ultimately, you have a choice, to undergo the same humbling experience that millions of people have had to go through, where they once fought hard against Christianity and Christians, thinking it all evil or dumb - so that once Jesus calls them, they become some of the best Christian defenders, or you can go your own way, without the true God, without true power, without true knowledge and wisdom, without true love.... and live out your mortal life, unto death. God, however, calls you to something infinitely greater and more beautiful, through the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life for mankind.
It's interesting hearing this as someone who holds to a Biblical cosmology ie flat earth under a dome . Man began to worship the creation instead of the Creator . They worshiped the sun , moon and stars , the male and female deities and here we are now with our greco/roman mindsets in a messed up cosmology ( whichever way you use the word ) . We got it wrong nearly 2000 years ago when we rejected Gods calendar and Feasts . Pray and research .
Flat earth under a dome = biblical? In what universe?
Tf? Lol
@@theologian1456 In the real one. That is pretty clearly what the Bible teaches.
Thanks for the talk. I like your analysis and think you are accurate. This whole pagan philosophy came into the west masquerading within geology and the theory of evolution. Geology and evolution have usurped belief in the fact that God supernaturally created a good world, some 6,000 years ago, a world that fell into sin, that was destroyed by a global Flood, and redeemed through Jesus Christ the Son of God. I went back to university to study geology, and understand how the Bible explains it. The battle is intense. The age of the earth is crucial. Even esteemed bible-believing scholars are hesitant to stand on the clear statements of Scripture on the 6,000-year age of the earth in the face of the assaults of the pagan elites against it.
Oy Vey! 🤔
The world was created 4 billion years ago, there is evidence of this, if your god made the world, surely that must’ve been his doing. A god that lies and spreads hate is not one worth worshipping. Hail the Aesir!
@@nathanstorm8093 There is counter evidence against that claim. There is only one God, and He does not spread lies or hate - but people do. It's ironic, they worship themselves and their own false knowledge, about God and many other things. Hypocrisy at its finest, and blindness at its strongest.
@@thebalancedway7639 No. Actually there isn't counter evidence against that claim. The fact of the age of the Earth is painfully obvious to even those with a cursory understanding of geology. No issue was more essential in building my antipathy toward Christianity than seeing the ease with which Christians lie on this subject. That so many Christians are so willing to lie about a scientifically verifiable fact tells me that they are not even remotely interested in truth or understanding.
"Oneism" :: "That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracle of the One Thing." -- The basis of Anthroposophy, Theosophy, Hermeticism (astrology, theurgy, alchemy), Jungian psychology, Platonism, Advaita Vedanta, Kabbalah (Judaism), Freemasonry, Wicca, Gnosticism, Integralism, Sufism, and the philosophia perennis, the studies of Giordano Bruno and Isaac Newton...an "ideological leviathan" yea mate
id love to speak to you!
So what are you saying yay or nay to all of those systems of gnosis ?
@@nickbonanno6181 big yay from me
@@AndyAnaya Unfortunately Jesus exposes them all as a fraud for the human soul, that leads the practitioner to death. It's like a big drug high before the low that completely takes you out. And overdose of b.s.
There is ONLY one human race!🤔😉😏
The Shroud of Turin is real.
No, it's not.
The shroud does exist therefore it is real.
@@owlnyc666No Real
@@raggie1778 It does exist. It is a real as Wrestling On Television.
@@williamcarter7977 No Real And Jesus Is A Myth
Hail the gods!!
Paganism defined . Anyone who is not Jewish, Christian or even Muslim.🤔😀
Well, it isn't, but ok.
Paganism defined more simply: those who reject God's way (of life), and have convinced themselves that all of the other numerous deceitful ways (of death) are better. It's a common problem with fallen man: self-centered and uneducated kids who think they are smarter than the loving parent.
@@thebalancedway7639 That is how a Christian would define paganism. Another definition is "Paganism (from classical Latin pāgānus "rural", "rustic", later "civilian") is a term first used in the fourth century by early Christians for people in the Roman Empire who practiced polytheism,[1] or ethnic religions other than Judaism. In the time of the Roman empire, individuals fell into the pagan class either because they were increasingly rural and provincial relative to the Christian population, or because they were not milites Christi (soldiers of Christ).[2][3] Alternative terms used in Christian texts were hellene, gentile, and heathen.[1] Ritual sacrifice was an integral part of ancient Graeco-Roman religion[4] and was regarded as an indication of whether a person was pagan or Christian.[4] Paganism has broadly connoted the "religion of the peasantry"" I have been told that monotheists are no strangers to deceit.
@@owlnyc666 *"That is how a Christian would define paganism."*
Yes precisely. We get right to the point, which is to help others save their lives through Jesus. Their life is all that they ultimately have that's of any worth.
How we do that is by obeying these specific commands of God:
"God overlooked the times of ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent." - Acts 17:30
"The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness. But He is patient with us, because He does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen." - Matthew 28:19
*"I have been told that monotheists are no strangers to deceit."*
That is an unhelpful way to look at it, but fulfills the satanic/fallen/sinful desire in people to mock others. So stop practicing it, you're only harming yourself in the end.
The right way to look at it is to understand that obedience to the Spirit of God is the only way to address the fleshly predisposition towards sin.
You're defining it from the outside in, which is the way of the world, it's the tyrannical, crude, oppressive way. To correct people from without, to make them conform, by the use of force.
God's Word defines it from the inside out: the problem is with man's heart, as Jesus mentioned in Matthew 15:18-20. And God alone changes man from within, inside out. Sometimes making him face himself, if he is particularly disobedient, by falling from the place of grace and comfort in the world, that he might be humbled in order to see the truth, and the reality of his situation.
Paul wrote many letters reprimanding the various churches he started. Concernng this issue of Spirit commanding the flesh of man, read: Galatians 5:16-26.
Verse 26 in particular applies to something you did, because of the way you replied to me. Paul himself complains of his own flesh in Romans 7.
That's the correct understanding of the problem - not to be a hypocrite, a Christian in name only, but to allow the Spirit of God to truly transform the self, that one might walk as Jesus walked, a person of consistency and integrity, holiness and godliness.
1 John 2:1-6 in particular makes this clear.
So if you want to help, as a spiritual person, quote: 1 John 2:6, remembering that Philippians 1:6 states that it's a lifelong process. God changes some things in us immediately, whilst others take time. And this serves His purposes, and glorifies His name, so that others too may discover Him and be saved.
But without Christ none of this is possible, which is why Satan's numerous religions completely sidestep all of these issues, and pretend that they aren't issues at all. Because his various spiritualities are powerless to address the real problems within mankind, powerless to make you a better person in the sight of God.
@@thebalancedway7639Your Bible It's Not A Historic Source, It's A Syncretism And Christianity Adopted Romans's Lifestyle.
Shocked to hear Jones mention Rosaria Butterfield as she obviously must’ve been there invited to speak. Please watch out for her and do some research as she may not be all she appears to be. A lot of times we all get caught up in these supposedly miraculous conversion stories like hers and also all the black conservative websites out there that are all looking to make money off of it. We got a stop being so gullible and really check things out.
What do you mean "shocked"? You act as tho Rosaria is a heretic or Jezebel. We should be careful with everyone, especially academic types like Rosaria, but I find her to be refreshingly biblical and even willing to admit when she has written something that was wrong in the past. She seems to be committed to submitting to God's Word. Nevertheless, I agree with you, we must always use discernment and not be gullible. But "shocked" about Rosaria... is there something I dont know about her? Do you have a source to show why we should be shocked?
I couldn’t find the speech by Jeremy Rifkin anywhere. But if he did say that then that’s how a very small group of people plus himself feel. A Christian can say all gay people are evil, which they do quite often, but it doesn’t mean every Christian believes this. We are not trying to kill Christianity. We are not trying to make it look bad. Some of us are but not all. I personally like to debate religion but there is a difference between debating and being a d*** about it.
Every human being is "evil" according to the Son of God. None are truly/fully good. But there are degrees of evil, for sure.
@@thebalancedway7639 Thanks to a friend and some serious life events I've actually converted to Christianity so I fully agree. Looking back on everything I did and said as a pagan makes me cringe so badly
@@joshuayates5921 Praised be God 🙌, Joshua. Welcome to the family.🥰 So glad you're safe and sound now. And that your journey made you see the extent of the deception in this world and the multiple layers of it, that entangle souls. Stick close to the Lord God, and He'll show you just what an excellent Father He is.
I had a somewhat similar journey to you. Only it happened back in 2010 to 2015 - the year when the Lord called me. I dropped everything which I thought was "the real truth" in order to accept the real truth, not as I defined it, but as the good Creator, our Father, defines it.
It's amazing how quickly those who used to stand with you, to trash Christianity and Christians (mostly due to their own pain and severe ignorance), suddenly turn on you when you start speaking sense and asking even deeper questions that you thought you could ask.
Ever since then, my passion has been to reach out to everyone still deceived and to personally speak to them, wherever possible, to tailor messages for them, instead of just leaving them in confusion, so that I would plant good seeds, that God may water and make grow in His time.
Many people I speak to cannot believe I was ever a new ager/occultist/follower of every mystical religion. They think I was a "dumb Christian" all my life - but my journey actually took me pretty much through the whole gamut, the whole sick buffet, of what this world has to offer.
I thank my Lord Jesus for seeking me out, to call me to salvation, for saving me and changing me, because I most certainly did not deserve it.
@@thebalancedway7639 Which is why Christianity is a despicable religion. Glad it's dying
People need to consider the source. Where did the Bible originate, of these 66 books that were accepted, how many were rejected, and who actually wrote these books within the Bible? Who was the first to accept the Bible as a book of God? Was that not a worldly government? Who persecuted so many over the centuries, burned their books as heresy, put them to death, burning them in fire, feeding them to lions, or trying to exterminate the true word of god. It is all religion that is false, not just one, but all. Truth is with God and Christ, and no one should come between you. Not him nor me!
spacemanonearth your still an idiot
@@cal3b_.p3rc98 And you should still elaborate
I love being a Pagan and a Witch! Goddess Bless )0(
Troll
@@joshuatheo1419 me a troll? .......... that is so funny ........... May God Cernunnos bless you
@@joshuatheo1419 me a troll ....... 🤣🤣🤣 I am not a troll 😂😂😂😂 may God Cernunnos bless you and your family
I used to be pagan for a very long time and I felt the same pride you do. I didnt understand God or Christianity but I do now and I just want you to know you are cared for. Jesus truly loves you and the gods of paganism can't give to you what He can. He set my soul free from all of my anger and hurt and my deepest desire is to share Him so everyone can see how beautiful He is. Im not here to judge you, I understand you in a way many Christians don't because they've never experienced it. But I have and I just want you to know there is an undeniable truth in Jesus that we will all be aware of either in this life or after we die when it is too late. Pagan gods are empty and futile. They aren't worthy of worship and they testify of their own evil. They are untrustworthy. But God is perfect and holy, He is not like us, He is good, it is impossible for Him to do evil. He cares for your eternal salvation so much that He became human and died as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Only He could satisfy his anger with our evil because we will never be able to be meet his standards of perfection and He wants us so badly He did just that. No other god has ever debased themselves for people because they do not love us like our Creator does. They are here to deceive and they dont care how they have to do it. I know this is an old comment and you may never see this or care but I care about you and so does Jesus. His beauty takes my breath away and I pray so deeply that you see it too.
@@sydnifrancis1503 my Gods are not empty. I know that I am safe and loved with them! I am happy you have found something for you. I know that Jesus loves me and I him. He is just one of many I work with!
God Cernunnos loves you and he walks with you all the way.
Blessings!
37 and 1/2 minutes of presenting the problem; 30 seconds of solution. And the solution: We just need to preach Jesus even harder, and this time REALLY mean it! Alas, if the solution were that simply why did society wander in the first place? I suppose it's merely the fruition of the two-ism Jones admires with God vs. Satan, us vs. them, we're right vs. they're wrong, we have truth and they have lies, Catholic vs. Protestent, Baptist vs. Church of Christ, Southern Baptist vs. Independent Fundimentel Baptist. I can see why so many are turned off of Christianity's two-ism.
Why versus and not and? Why Catholic VERUS Proestants rather than Catholic AND Protestant? Why is there N. Baptist AND S. Baptist? The Jewish Bible according to the Jews say Yaweh is ONE person and Christian's say Yaweh is three persons Biblical Threeism. 🤔
By the way if you look at a one dollar bill you will see PAGAN symbols. All the days of the week and months of the year are PAGAN! 🤔😉😏
sure there is paganism everywhere,just bealive in God allmighty
Pagans do and they dont depend on a man made book of impossible stories & numerous contradictions easily disproven by scientific & historical fact that condones sins including sexism, rape, slavery, & murder to do so.
cringe lmao@@phoenix1985
@@alaricjaeger2599 Thank you Alaric.
“God all mighty” is a weak and feeble god, only looking after himself. Odin will strike him down during ragnorok.
@@phoenix1985Cringe Christians
Your hatred and lies disobey Christ and push people away from Christianity!
This speaker so far is now comparing pagan myth to what Christianity, no! Actually pagan myth vs. ancient Hebrew texts from the Torah or old testament. This is perhaps valid in a sense but it is far beyond that. After all who calls them pagans anyway, as if it is an improper aspect of one who is spiritual. Actually it is Christianity that holds the greatest death toll in history, who has persecuted millions, including the first true Christians from Christ. From my perspective you either side with Constantine (roman emperor) and the Council or you side with the real truth. Simple
In general, true Christians (according to the Bible's definition) never persecuted anyone. And if they did, they repented for it and made whatever reparations. False Christians, in name only, those who used it as a club of sorts, yeah, those unconverted individuals did a lot of damage - but the same would be true of any ethnic background, if they were given power, whatever their religion. This illustrates the the problem is mankind itself, its fallen nature - not Christianity.
Btw, your are wrong about Christians persecuting millions - that's a modern myth. History is far more complex.
And lastly, the most destructive century to human life, the 20th century, was a century DRIVEN from the ground up, with humanistic and pagan ideologies, devoid of Jesus Christ/God. So you made a big blunder in your statement, because more people died in the 20th century, due to godless humanistic/secular/atheist ideologies running amok, than in the previous 19+ combined.
*From my perspective you either side with Constantine (roman emperor) and the Council or you side with the real truth.*
Thankfully a real Christian, who obeys the Spirit of God and the written Word of God (which interlock perfectly), has nothing to do with Constantine. Nor was Constantine some bad guy who ruined Christianity, that the conspiracy theorists have painted him to be ever since those deceitful Zeitgeist movies came out.
Essentially, you've been lied to by alternative and deceitful sources of information, which have presented themselves as: THE REAL TRUTH HIDDEN FROM YOU, and you fell for the lie.
When you are raised in Christendom, study the bible for yourself, you see thru the doctrines of this age. But then notice the God of the hebrews isn't as powerful as he once was, or hes out on vacation, or perhaps hes taking a nap. Jesus was a man just like any other. HIs current followers are truly ignorant to his teachings. He himself said "I come only for the house of Israel". But yet its a global religion?! You can have your beliefs! A God with no power is not worth following nor submitting to! Jesus is in a tomb in Judea or perhaps in the Vatican to hide the truth. Ask yourself why would a rebel to Rome become a Godking many years later!? Why did Constantine make this the state religion?!
You are indoctrinated by demons mascarading as intellect. We know who we serve he lives in us and transforms us . He delivers and saves and gives us peace joy and victory over sin. What does your God do ?
@@jimmywilliams6428Not "Truth" Christianity Adopted Roman Empire And Other Countries, And Romans Is Not Rebel In Christian Times, Christianity Adopted The Roman Lifestyle And People Believe Your Syncretic Religion, This Is Not A Sin Or "Truth" Real Demon Is A Your Jewish God, And Real Gods Live In Asgard Realm, Your God Is A Egoist And Why? My Said: Your God Is A LIE And My Gods It's A True Live Gods, Paganism This Not Die, Many Christian Festivals Is A Pagan Origin And Christians It's Not Destroy Reality's Fire.
@@jimmywilliams6428You Are Is A National Traitor, You Believe Jewish God, And Jewish God It's Not Your Ancestors's God, And This Is Not True God, This Is Dogmatic God, And Real Gods It's Not Egoist.
Peter is almost as good as Jordan Peterson! 🤔😉
jordan peterson applies jungian pscyhology my guy
Pagan power, baby!!!!!
No power in it, only death dear.
@@thebalancedway7639 There's death everywhere so I still say Pagan Power, baby!!!
@@thebalancedway7639Paganism Not Died, Christianity Adopted By Pagan Culture.
@@thebalancedway7639People Ignore It In History And Wars Is A Growning Religion's Population, This Is Not True Religion, Peoples Ignore It Reality.
This entire video is nothing but pure and utter nonsense. It ignores every single fact about Paganism in favor of "christians" playing the victim rather than attempting to see the endless reasons people are leaving "christianity" in droves: the hate, sexism, racism, homophobia, misogyny, bigotry, prejudice, intolerance, and hypocrisy that has become the very base of the religion.
phoenix1985, 1 Corinthians 2:14- "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Of course that would be your outtake because your eyes are still blinded by the flesh and its thoughts
Truth!
Soy boy
@@JohnMoog-ug6bk Insults but no actual argument or rebuttal. Typical conservative. If you have no life to the point you are going back through comments 5 years old you really have no room to judge anyone.
You should blame the pathetic weakness of Christianity and not "neo-paganism" which is laughable and cartoonish.
someone who isn't pagan shouldn't talk about paganism.
It is of some importance to by consistent. Mr. Key, should a person who is not a physician or doctor not talk about medicine or law? Should a person who is not a Greek or German remain silent about Greek or German philosophy? Should a person who has no role in government remain silent about politics or legislation? Should a non-Christian remain silent about Christianity? If you actually believe your proposition, then your life should be marked by a profound silence.
In addition, since Dr. Jones is speaking as a Christian, I might expect you to express a difference of opinion and provide supporting evidence. Instead, you attack the very act of his speaking. You don't say that he is mistaken. You simply say he has no legitimate right to speak. Why? Because, apparently, you don't like what he is saying.
I have two questions. First, why should anyone care what you like or dislike? Second, how to you figure that your likes and dislikes in any way constitute arguments against another's point of view. That strikes me as a bit indolent intellectually. I think you need to do better.
A non Muslim has no real understanding of Islam a non Christian has no real understanding of Christianity. A non-Buddhist has no real understanding of Buddism a non Jew has no real understanding of Judeism. A non pagan has no real understanding of paganism until you become part of the belief you know nothing of that belief and only when you truly become part of that belief system do you know. And yes I actually do believe that Christians and other religions should have laws passed against proselytizing but not against practice.
Yes, I can speak about cancer treatment all day but until I see the mass of black tissues and extract it effectively from a persons lungs I am unqualified to perform surgery.
Comparisons must make sense. Dr. Jones is offering a philosophical critique. He is not performing a technical procedure. If you are claiming that only a pagan can talk about paganism, that is refuted by academic practice. Suggesting restrictions upon speech is hardly responsive to what Dr. Jones is saying. And your comparison is logically irrelevant. The philosopher Bertrand Russell criticized religion generally and Christianity in particular. I have heard criticisms of his essay, "Why I Am Not a Christian," but I have never heard legitimate opponents denounce his right to speak. That is what you have done in Dr. Jones case. Shame on you.
The rules of response are simple. You must show wherein a position is misinformed, uninformed, inconsistent, or incomplete. You must do one of those four things; else you simply have nothing to say. I should think that within those limitations you could find quite a bit to say that would be to the point.
The comparison to a surgeon removing cancerous tissue as somehow an appropriate refutation to Dr. Jones' criticism of pagan thought is absolutely astounding. Scholars who are not Hindus have for years written about Hinduism, just as scholars who are not themselves Christian have written about Christianity. This could be extended to include many religious belief systems, cultural traditions, and philosophies. A cultural anthropologist does not have to become a member of a primitive tribe to write a competent scholarly paper about that tribe's traditions.
By all means, disagree with Dr. Jones. I have already given you the rules I wouldn't dream of telling you that you have no right to speak. But please say something that makes sense. What you have argued, if taken seriously, simply ends any academic discussion on any issue. What you don't see, apparently, is that your criticism logically applies to itself. If a non-pagan cannot speak about paganism, then a non-Christian cannot speak about Christianity. From its beginnings, Christianity set itself against other religious systems; consequently, Dr. Jones speaks legitimately within that Christian tradition. Your criticism, therefore, is a criticism of Christianity. I don't mind that; Dr. Jones may be wrong. But unless you are a Christian, why aren't you obeying you own rules. Why do you believe yourself qualified to criticize Christianity but affirm that Dr. Jones is unqualified to criticize paganism? You are simply going to have to come up with a better refutation.
Incidentally, your contention that a non-Muslim has no real idea of Islam, a non-Hindu has no real idea of Hinduism, etc.--these curious contentions are challenged by the existence of departments of religion. You are claiming that something that exists empirically cannot be studied and understood. On its face, that contention is just silly. Carried to an extreme, one could not treat diseases exhibited by a patient unless one were of the same race and/or nationality. A doctor could not understand and treat malaria in a Hispanic unless, of course, the doctor were Hispanic. Where on earth did you get that notion?
And where do you draw the line? There are various divisions withing Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and Christianity. Would you say that a Sunni Muslim could not understand a Shi'ite Muslim? Or Baptists could not understand Methodists? Would you say that the Buddha, who was initially a Hindu, could not understand Hinduism once he had established his new religious synthesis?
To put this in another way, your argument against a non-Pagan making useful comments about pagan theological ideas, such as pantheism, falls into the category of a Genetic Fallacy. Because the origin of Dr. Jones' comments is not pagan, the comments are worthless. That is a fallacy of material relevance. Consequently, you have not proved your claim; moreover, that is really not the point. The real point is this: Are Dr. Jones' comments true or false. Address that issue, and your comments will prove more useful.
Absolutely +davidmx3000. Well said, and you are so patient too. How we could keep carrying examples further, i.e. since I'm not posting on the same day, maybe I don't have the right to post 8 months later lol, such folly from Mr. Key North... Thanks, thoroughly enjoyable read.
Correct, "There is no Guilt". Jung is correct! Either you are of the Father or you are of the false god, the creator! Is that simple. For those who are of the body, yes they can have guilt, they can worship, they can sacrifice, they can have sin. But for one who is of and from the true Father, they do not have these things you speak of, for they are not of God. So each person needs to decide who and what they truly are. Are you to body, the mind, the ego, or are you perhaps something far greater, a living spirit within, one of and from the true God, who will gain knowledge and wake up to the truth.
you will find out when it to late that you were wrong.
@@bigwhale5840 Sorry but Time is also of this world, not the spiritual one. There is no time in the Fathers realm, this is why there is everlasting life, because there is no body nor time to speak of. And it clearly says that what belongs to the Father will return to the Father, all else will be left in this realm, the material one.
Wish you all the best!
@@bigwhale5840 So either one is from the Father or he/she is not. If you are not of the Father, then you will never enter his Kingdom, but if you are of the Father, then you most surely will enter his Kingdom at some point. For he takes what belongs to him. Remember, give Cesar what is his, give the Father what belongs to him. Not very complicated. Be well, be blessed
@@spacemanonearth what about Jesus Christ ? Can you have the Father without the Son?
Are you reading the gospels ?
@@riderstreamer6259 Yes, studied all gospels. As far as the Son, he was the first emanation after the mother Barbelo, he was the Word who became the Christ, he descended into who you call Jesus, and brought wisdom & truth, spoke the word, and in secret offered gnosis to the few. Christ also showed us how to return the the Father with his ascension. He also left us sacred secrets, for the end days, or final generation. Only that which is from the Father, shall return to the Father. Be blessed
There are so many lies and misinformation in this person's lecture/speech.
🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️ Says a person who has no idea what she talks about.
If one relies on a single book, controlled by humankind, assembled by a Roman Emperor, and approved by his council, then they are in error and if stubborn then they can receive what they sow. For when one enters high school or college, do they continue to use that book from grade school in class? No! For they receive new books, that have greater knowledge, to advance their knowledge and understanding of truth. So too is this book, it was intended for the masses, and God and the son Christ, knew it was for the religions of the earth who would deceive many. But he did hid away sacred secrets for you, find them.
lol
Your idea of God is one of a miser, when in reality He gave you life, all the good things you enjoy and all knowledge necessary for salvation. God is generous and doesn't hide anything from us. You are being deceived by Satan, in exchange for parlor tricks that you consider "secrets".
@@tube.brasil Please give any other source for your claim other than the bible on this "decieved by satan" statement
The book has survived for more than 2000 years! That should tell you something
@@NarrowedPath What the Bible? Sorry the bible itself was assembled by the Council of Nicea and Emperor Constantine much later, but the original scrolls were of earlier times, so from 1655 to perhaps 2000 years or more, that does not in itself make the content factual. But without deeper studies one would have no basis for analysis. All the best to you Joan
At 9:40 or so you say, "Get out of this world that god has created!", well maybe your god created this world, but not Christ's Father, he had no part of this world or it's creation. You speak of Carl Jung and myths, you have no idea what you speak, have studied this man, along with another you speak poorly of who is a bishop of a fine church in So. California. You are the one who babels quite constantly here, providing nothing to support anything you say. I know better, and have gained a high level of gnosis or knowledge you do not poses, yet you talk badly of others, you need a podium and an audience. lol
Man, you sound schizophrenic and you need help.
@@tube.brasil He doesnt, he sounds logical.
@@cutiesoupia4900
According to the voices in your head
@@bobgriffith1810 he most definitely does not sound schizophrenic.
If you think so, you need to relearn English.
This man is nuts he is taking what is the power of myths and taken it literally. I guess he takes the bible literally. The birth of Jesus as told in the bible was stolen from Egyptian texts about Horus son of a virgin Osiris by god. Horus traveled with 12 apostles healed the sick, created miracles and fed the hungry. He was later crucified and rose from the dead 3 days later. Those texts where written 250,000. Thousand years before the story of Christ. And it was also written about krishna way before Christ also. Do your home work you call your self a theist. A theist studied many religions not just the one they have chosen for them self's. Why don't you try embracing all paths. Instead if destroying all the ones around the world like it was done in the past after killing in the name of your god.
E B that is a lie , every egiptolgy in the world knows is not true
No andrew, he didnt.
Please read the bible, Jesus was not born in the 25 december.
That's really bad, as in made-up, egyptology. That simply isn't part of any story ever to come out of Egypt.
Embracing all paths isn't possible. The "paths" contradict each other. In seeking to combine them you actually deny them all. You honor none of the religions when you honor them all.
Credibly egyptologists know that's a fable lol
Poor presentation and boring.
Oh right 😂
How do you equate hairy men using womans bathrooms with Carl Jung or Gnosticism? And these views are not new, but far older than Christianity far older. In fact, these very truths have existed from the beginning. Even Adam & Eve, came to know these truths you speak so poorly of. Also, you speak against Christ himself who in many texts and gospels says contrary to you, and your isolated church views. This has nothing to do with liberalism nor modern philosophy but truth. You paint truth with lies in an effort to support what is falling apart, your faith and religion. Is that simple.
spacemanonearth you’re still being a idiot