Long Live Classic Anime (Re: Gigguk)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2019
- Gigguk's recent video, "The Death of Classic Anime," got me thinking about how this community has changed, and how that's changed the way we discuss and remember older Anime.
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" best anime ever PERIOD
Lmfao
@@DigitalXAddict it's already out, she finally took a break to have a nap lol
@@DigitalXAddict yeah, I figured she deserves it though
@@Br0wnEyedQueen Well she only used a quarter of each page to write that epic novel so I bet she is pretty tired lol.
Krosis Lockwood
But I feel like the study arc is being dragged out too much. It was only about 29 chapters in the manga.
The concept of a classic is a retrospective one. There will always be classics but there will never be classics right now. They're always in the past.
Who to say konosuba, re:zero, and fruit basket will be classic while shield hero, cell at work, and run with wind won't in the future difficult to se the future is
Though, "right now" is a mere moment of time, immeasurable due to the non-discrete nature of time. As soon as a episode of an anime is put on Crunchy or HIDIVE or Funimation or whatever, it is almost immediately a thing of the past. Even if just being uploaded isn't enough, though, the same goes for when people actually watch it - it may not end up _feeling_ like the past, but the experience now solely resides in it, only retained in memory.
So while what you're saying is technically true, it's also a completely useless statement. Something can't become a classic without being experienced, sure, but by experiencing something, you also put it into the past.
@@hi-i-am-atan Its pretty obvious what he means though. It is true to say that classics are rarely considered as classics during the time of their airing and even for years after they have aired. The most characteristic feature of a classic is the ability to stand the test of time, years after its release. Like over 5 years after at least.
@@hi-i-am-atan Dude, you must be fun at parties.
Arctangent this is kinda pedantic. Yes technically everything external is in the past, because it takes your sensory organs time to communicate stimuli to the brain, does that mean we don’t have a conception of present? No, I’ll give it to you that it’s relatively arbitrary and subjective, but classics exist because they’ve shown over a period deemed significant (usually several years in this day and age, some mediums require decades) that they hold up and are still relevant
Ahh yes, Re:Gigguk is my favourite isekai and a future classic.
god that was a terrible joke.
Re:Gigguk with a smartphone
You take that back that was an insightful and great joke
Nah, it was actually good.
Yeah it was.
@@MrFreakHeavy unlike re:creators
Which was absolute shit
I'm loving Fruits Basket: Brotherhood, this season
I'm loving that so many people understand the show as Fruits Basket: Brotherhood that no one feels the need to reference where or who the idea came from. No one brings up the idea of ownership for the idea for themselves or someone else. It is a simple understanding for those who know anime.
I started watching it just to see something different. I'm not loving it, but it is better than I thought it would be.
Furutsu Baskete: Burotherahuudo.
Its odd I hated the Manga for some reason, so I was hesitant to watch but damn am I glad I am watching it!
Classic anime will never die, as long as we remember them and introduce them to newer anime fans.
We need a proper berserk anime adaptation
so Sao will be a classic?
@@shadere2434 Here are some:-
Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion, yu yu hakusho, trigun, rurouni kenshin, berserk (1997), Inuyasha, samurai champloo.
@Rem Eromanga Sensei
Your a man of culture I see 👍
I feel like something that needs to be talked about as well, is the death of gatekeeping. In the discussion of anime the change away from talking about classics to talking about seasonal works has led to the discussion being a lot more inclusive, nowadays you almost never run into the "Don't say you like anime if you haven't seen [list off two dozen 'classics']." And I think that's a very good thing. The shift has also IMO, allowed for a discussion about the classic series that divorces them from their overwhelming hype and reputation, and instead allows for more open discussion about their actual quality.
Thank you!! I was hoping someone would bring this up, the level of gatekeeping that used to exist in community spaces was absurd. Your opinions weren't valid until you did your "homework."
Yes, this! I don't usually agree with MB's opinions, but this time he really tops Gigguk.
Some people are so caught up in their own nostalgia and the "good old days" that they don't acknowledge what's happening now and all the amazing things that are coming out. They say shit like the industry is dying (tbh in some ways it is, those poor animators) while looking back fondly at these classics and the times they were made in, but the industry is actually stronger than ever and anime has always had lots of junk shows; they got filtered out and were forgotten and the ones that were left became our golden classics because they stood the test of time.
It's too soon to say that modern anime doesn't have classics because enough time hasn't passed to make them that way. There are definitely great shows, but they don't have the nostalgia value that makes classics because they're far too new for that. There *are* classics that have been coming out, things like Attack on Titan basically already are and people need to stop glorifying the past and belittling everything new.
It's like MB said, the industry is becoming mainstream and is no longer catering as much to the hardcore nerds that started the fandoms and defined the classics. They're the ones that were gatekeeping newcomers and now they aren't as relevant as they once were.
Production issues like overworking and underpaying animators needs to be fixed, sure, but it makes me upset to see people saying that anime is dying because all they can think of is the filtered good stuff from the past.
Yes, fully agree. I remember giving up on watching classics and must watch shows just for having seen the "must watch" stuff when I started Hellsing Ultimate and wasn't into it at all. Even if classics were influential or held in high regard, nobody will enjoy all of them and it's up to the individual whether they want to watch a show like NGE for a better understanding of the pop culture and medium, or whether they just wanna watch a bunch of superhero students having cool action superpower battles.
Phantom9252 Thats so agreeable.
I agree BUT I still think people say "watch X, X, and X" for a reason. And many people these days only want to watch what's new and shiny and might be missing out on something great because they think it looks "old." Gatekeeping is wrong, but promoting classics or saying these are the standard other anime should get compared to isn't, because there's a reason "classic" anime are still remembered. No doubt new anime will join that list as they get older, but only time can tell that.
Out of every possible MONOGATARI scene, you just had to choose the toothbrush one ? A man of taste I see
Well it is a classic
Once you see that scene one time if you don't mention it when talking about the series you're talking about the series in the wrong way
I haven't seen the show and I know the scene. If that doesn't scream reach I don't know what
I see what you did there
As an American fan of anime, I wonder of Japanese fans have the same opinions on what are to be considered “classic anime”?
Seeing as how a Case Closed movie best out Endgame in the Japanese box office, I feel that the classics are more well regarded in Japan.
Well my japanese friend thinks many of the shows we consider classics are indeed classics. Maybe with slight variation as some of the shows he talks about (especially the manga) I've never heard of. I cannot read japanese and really only know the basics.
pretty sure it's very similar. We regard some shows as waaay better because of some classic dubbing jobs tho (Ghost Stories is the one that sticks out in my mind). But, they definitely hold up those old giant robot shows from the 60's a LOT more than we do (tatsunoko, I think?)
Who cares about Japanese opinion not many people in Japan are even anime fans
@@lord_cobi A Japanese person will still have a keener understanding of the culture which produced the work, which may or may not be important to understanding a given show. I get what you're saying, but their perspectives should still be valued.
@@blarg2429 that's understandable
Hentaihaven is back
The classics are still going strong
Oh snap!! I just checked 🥳🥳😏😏
Lemme just go grab some tissues and lotion brb..............................
@@mytruth0429( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I don't know what classics you talking about bro, you need to give some examples for the ANALYSIS.
Guess a lot of people need to go do some “research” 😏😏😏
The best part is HH is now legal so go watch hentai to support the industry
I like how you've pointed out that there are three types of classics.
Influential, Unique, Masterpiece.
Too often we make no distinction between these categories and do not understand each other.
Дмитрий Иваненко eh gigguk made a good point you need to be recognized to be a classic and be acknowledged for it
@@jjjjrrrr4353 But acknowledged by whom? M (1937) for example is definitely a film classic but most people probably haven't even heard of it.
Ash it’s acknowledged by the industry so I guess it counts,
Jojo hits all three.
@@AirahsELL I'd disagree on the masterpiece part. But it's definitely great.
My biggest hurdle with classics is the way a lot of them are so hard to find legally for consumption. :/
I mean, I love the 80s and 90s era but... man... We need somebody to snatch up the international streaming rights...
Agreed! Goes for the modern classics too, as in Europe licensing prevents alot of good shows from getting traction.
As a general rule of thumb I think it's honorable to pay for a show so long as there is a reasonable means to do so, but if there is no way to watch something legally aside for buying a rare 400 dollar used DVD set of a an old series then there is no shame in sailing the shady seas to watch it.
@@robpaul7544
Good that someone mentions it. I feel as though that people, who are from the US/ Canada/ Australia (like MB) don't have a perspective on what it is like to watch Anime in Europe in the 90's, 00's and 10's. We don't (and didn't) have something like Toonami or Anime channels in general that were "free", you always had to get additional TV contracts if you wanted to have Animax etc. in Germany (which costed a lot). And today, you need 3 different Streaming Services here in Germany, just to watch Attack on Titan, Boku no Hero and One Piece (which is 30 € in total a month, whereas in the US/ Canada, you just pay 10 bucks a month for Crunchyroll).
If it wasn't for Netflix, I don't think I would have ever got to watch FMA03/FMAB
If you cant watch it legally just pirate it, you are actually doing the creators a favour if you do that.
Oh my god someone else has actually seen Captain Tylor? To anyone reading, The Irresponsible Captain Tylor is a fantastic old show that combines great comedy with enthralling space opera. The soundtrack is made up of energetic jazz that stands up amazing when considered on its own, it asks a few interesting questions, and it actually really gets you engaged in the idea of this whole space war that's happening. Please give it a chance, as it deserves to be better known than it is.
It is my absolute favorite anime and I am amazed to see someone else who thinks highly of it.
I watched recently, along with kinos journey, and it was amazing. Both of them
Lots of people have seen Tylor it's fantastic and Rightstuf frequently plugs it.
Fakku has brought back Hentaihaven, the industry is still going strong.
😂
Man of culture i see...
Both right and wrong faku helped but hh is still under its own management.
@@zaxscat5357 All I remember about those dark ages is that the creator was a degenerate furry. Much unlike us hentai lovers.
Yes finally it's about time
To the people who don't feel like we're getting any classic anime nowadays: Read "The Velvet Underground & Nico" Wikipedia page. That album was a commercial and critical failure the year it came out and people only started appreciating it almost a decade later. You really don't know what kind of influence something has on culture until you start seeing the waves it generated and trace them back to their origin.
Another example will be the novel The Great Gatsby
May I propose that you place the names of the anime currently on the screen, on the subtitles, thank you very much
While that may take some amount of additional effort on his part (I am in no way an editor, so it could be far easier or harder than I'm imagining), I think it would be worth it. I keep seeing brief segments of anime in these videos that look very interesting, but don't know how I'd find them.
Aro Rior so like misty chronexia?
@@Obstreperous_Octopus I can say that it isn't THAT difficult. Sure, it takes some extra effort, so it wouldn't be worth it if you were on a very strict deadline, but the process is very simple. It's less the difficulty of the task and more the sheer amount of separate clips he uses. It may be easy but it would be very tedious. Still I can't imagine it taking more than an hour. It would probably be easier if he named the clips as he put them in, instead of doing them all after. He could also make the clips slightly less brief, maybe put less of them in.
@@Mechaos Dude, that was insane. Thanks for the incredible amount of effort.
@@Mechaos >15:00 - ?
LoGH
The concept that classic anime is dying or being replaced is kind of wild to me.
I’ve actually picked up the old Gundams, upon my husband’s recommendation, and several of these are infinitely better than anything that’s being churned out currently. Like- 0080 War in the Pocket just punched me in the face. Beat me up, stole my lunch money, and blamed it on the misfortune of my birth.
Mommy please don't fight daddy.
Benjamin Rogers Need to talk?
@@aweik4937 It's a joke about Gigguk and Mother's Basement disagreeing on this particular subject.
reperfan4 yea and the other guy was also joking, because what he said was suggesting the original commenter has family problems to say the least
@@numnum3316 To understand the second comment as a joke, you would need a specific understanding of the commentor's personality. There's nothing to imply they're being facetious.
However, in regards to the opening comment, obviosly MB and Gigguk can't be their parents.
When I was little, my neighboring kids used to laugh at me because of the constant shouting that came from apartment, which made us a laughing stock in my apartment building.
Idk why you showed goku and piccolo learning to drive as you said "bad at times" that's the best episode
I feel like mushishi is a underrated classic that everyone should watch once
Sigh I agree 100%. It’s one of those shows that draws in even people who don’t typically watch anime and because of it’s episodic nature, it was easy to just randomly catch an episode on TV one day and get hooked.
It's such a beautiful show. Every episode is breathtaking and each character feels so fleshed out even though you only ever meet them in one episode
I feel the same about TriGun. I've watched it so many times, but there are not that many people who know the anime ;-;
Damn, I feel like crying seeing someone acknowledge mushishi greatness!!! Watch it, it's worth it!
Frfr
"Not everyone has the time to revisit classics"
2020-2021: now you do
Netflix is helping new anime fans to watch classic anime. Right now I’m a new fan and can say I never found myself watch code geass but they added it and I am currently hooked
Same thing happend to me
Enjoy your journey, dude
Also, remember to avoid spoilers
I'm watching through Geass as well! I'm glad I picked it up :)
How about Evangelion next?
Glad you all are enjoying Code Geass. I saw it back when it aired but still find myself rewatching it every so often. Hopefully Netflix can get some other classics on there as well.
Fullmetal Brotherhood Alchemist cannot die.
Cowboy bebop cannot die.
Evangelion cannot die.
Classics simply cannot die.
Syrah O Keiv please let evangelion die
It’s awful
Cowboy bebop and FMA must live on
Update/Reply-
I have tried and failed on multiple occasions to watch and love the Eva series. Most who watch Eva fall into one of either 2 camps - Love it or hate it.
I personally think it’s overrated and I can’t connect to or bring myself to really like any of the characters.
I feel nothing for any of the characters- I don’t love or hate any of them.
I’m sorry, but I just can’t connect to a show that I feel nothing for, and it is as simple as that.
@@anigodess Have you tried understanding Evangelion's actual meaning?
@@thexenosaiyan I understand it's meaning, but it doesn't change the fact that the main character is so awful it took me years to get past the first few episodes.
Monster cannot die
Legend of the galactic heroes cannot die
Princess tutu cannot die
Golden boy
When I realise that it's actually impossible for me to have watched every single anime out there (especially the masterpieces)... I get sad. I love seasonal anime, but I wouldn't complain if they just stopped for like a year or so so I can finally watch all the anime that have been on my to watch list for years, and even ones I hadn't thought about watching before.
Well, here we are.
Be careful what you wish for
@@blackbomber72 I'm out of the loop. What happened?
@@samuelhain2160 the crona pandemic
Wait until a series can be directly put in your brain matrix style. Maybe then you will be able to watch all anime
*Deep breath*
Sword Art Online.
lol
Tactical nuke incoming
Sub Noxious Sword Art Online is udder trash. The summer of 2019 has been the year for new anime. Example, Attack On Titan s3, the upcoming new season of My Hero Academia (comes out October 12), Dr. Stone, Granbelm, Fire Force, Demon Slayer Kimetsu no Yaiba, and a couple of others. I don’t believe original and great anime is dying yet, but there are still some god awful anime’s (boku no pico, sao, domestic girlfriend, etc etc).
In addition to agreeing with your overall point, I really like the community engagement here. I like it when anitubers have some back-and-forth on some topics in a friendly way.
"Avatar: The Last Airbender" is one of the best Classic Anime. Fight me.
Dude, I'd fight alongside you.
*readies to snap the infinity gauntlet* who stands against you? They’ll perish tonight
This comment chain makes me happy
I shall bring holy judgement upon whoever disagrees with you.
Avatar? Oh I love James Cameron
3:26
That transition was smooth
I still watch Cowboy Bebop every year. It meant one thing to me in high school. It took on new meaning in my twenties. And I am still discovering depth in its themes and characters in my thirties.
I am 36 years old, and a cartoon from my high school time still brings me to tears and instills moments of awe. That is my definition of a classic.
In my headcanon, there is a happy four-people-shared-apartment somewhere in the world with Gigguk, Super Eyepatch Wolf and MB in MB's mother's basement...
They need to get an airbnb and make this a reality.
Too bad eyepatch hates MB's guts so your headcanon can't happen
@@cosm1cfall they don't need to be sharing willingly, they're together as long as they don't have the basement keys
@@cosm1cfall wait....what?
Is this just an inside joke i don't know about or is it actually a thing?
No explanation point?
Glad you mentioned Violet Evergarden. The episodes about the writer and the mother in particular will stick with me for a long time.
I really hope Land of the Lustrous earns the title of classic. It isn't the most popular but the quality of it is striking.
The animation team behind Land of the Lustrous is working on an anime for BEASTARS.
True
@@kamikage9420 I'm so excited for this one too. But I guess that means that Land of the Lustrous S2 would come until 2022 or later.
@@fernandoc5536 Unless they pull a One Punch Man season 2.
I don't think my heart could take that.
@@acua3 Oh God NO. Don't jinx it!
Man I remember first watching _Code Geese, Samurai Shamploo_ and _Nay-on Jey-nesis Even-jellion_ when I was still a young lad...
You mean samurai shampoo?
Cod geese was one of my favourites
I just watched Gundam and Zeta Gundam because you recommended it in a video months ago. I loved it! As long as there are those who speak about classics like yourself, they shall never die.
I see that you too believe in a sign of Zeta.
I recommend 0080: War in the Pocket next. Get tissues, you’ll need it.
If you guys want to watch a good classic anime, I’d like to recommend Naoki Urasawa’s Monster. It has to be the best anime I’ve ever seen.
I second this, and all the seasons of Mushishi too.
@@Ran93024 Gotta do Gintama as well at this point. No anime can claim to be a great comedy without being compared to that one.
Jeff you are really the anime pope you are just so kind and respectful, when I watch you talkin about this kind of philosophicall things I feel good about myself it's just a nice time keep the great work!
Your classic is not my classic (alternate title to this video)
Oh dang. It's a sequel video that has a slightly diffrent concept
Wow, this was amazing. And completely true (At least to me)
Ikr 😁
I see that you are back at MB's comment section
@Jordynn Velasquez omg hi friend😁
By the way can u do me a favour...can u sub to my actual account called 100% otaku
Coz I use that account more often lol
@Jordynn Velasquez omg Thx so much
Bff uwu (≧∇≦)/
Personally I like this video and its statements way more! Just makes more sense to me :D
I kinda wish you had the names of the anime you show in your videos on screen, especially all the more obscure ones. A lot of them looked really cool and I'd like to watch them but don't know what they are called.
not gonna comb back through but have one
Memories
was shown but not named
it's 3 stories
the first especially is really good
Serial Experiments Lain, Gundam Wing (a bunch of ‘em), Bubblegum Crisis, Utena, Ranma 1/2, Samurai Champloo, Paprika, Trigun, Tenchi Muyo, are some of the ones I saw that he didn’t name (wait he mentioned SEL)
Gosh I wish Gigguk would do the same as well, it's also how I get to know more anime. If you like you could screenshot that scene in the video then try google image searching it. If that doesn't work there's a subreddit called r/animesuggest that allows you to make a post asking what anime that is.
@@sweetmouse9870 yes, watch Memories. It's seriously fantastic and almost no one talks about it. I stumbled on it by accident.
This so much, I stopped watching Anime for a long time and kind of hard to comb through when you have fallen off the train, especially since my tastes are still pretty close to the styles of the 90's and early 2000's
100% Agree that Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu was an instant classic. But baring a few rare exceptions like that , I honestly find most 'good' modern anime to be merely fine or at best great. Nothing earth shatteringly good or as transformative as Akira, GiTS, Cowboy Bebop, Eva, Lain, the works of Miyazaki & Satoshi Kon etc. But you raised an excellent point that when your tastes are formed will have a massive impact on your side of this debate. I was raised on and development my tastes with anime from the late 90's and early 00's.
Great response to a great video! I honestly love your guyses work so much! I'm sure one day we'll look back on this year/others remembering some classics. Classics take time to set in stone, we're just not there yet.
A brilliant and insightful video; well done and thank you.
Just thought I’d bring up Monster as another undisputed cult classic (though it’s probably not for everyone).
Naoki Urasawa is a god, I wonder why 20th century boys never got an anime adaptation
Every time someone brings that show up I feel guilty for not finishing it yet
@@LimeyLassen it was too depressing for me :(
Rasib Nadeem hence why I said it’s not for everyone!
I wish I didn't watch those 70 some episodes.
Damn I can finally appreciate your editing and each scene/animes theme and relevance to the thing you are currently saying and how much more you are trying to convey in those words. Because I actually watched a ton of these anime.
This is one of my favorite videos you've done. Great job.
I've never really felt like "classics" were mandatory, and just felt that there were just more anime goodness for me to consume. I got into anime through my highschool's anime club from which I graduated in 2010. The people who ran the club in my freshman year made a point of exposing us to not only shows they grew up watching, but also stuff that was currently airing.
I eventually ran the club in my last two years, and that mentality stayed with me. I'd showcase things I watched when my interests were still forming, things that were new and exciting, and things that even I had never seen but had recommended to me (screening to make sure they were safe to watch at school of course). Classics to me were just recommendations from before my time as an anime fan. Recommendations from my early years are "my classics" in a way, and every generation of anime fan is going to have their own.
I feel as though the quality of modern shows coming out has been amazing. And to me, a classic is completely subjective and a person can consider something a 'classic' if it's show that they truly think can be enjoyed by all who pick it up.
although, by definition, a classic is something that withstood the test of time.
Remember, there is a difference between a masterpiece and a classic.
masterpiece refers only to the quality, while classic is regarding the longevity.
Awesome video, I love that the discussion is being... discussed by multiple people with different perspectives, these were both really interesting watches, and I hope more people chime in on this.
This is a great video, one of the best you've made in a while. Keep up the good work!
To be honest, classics are everywhere. It just takes someone to notice their greatness. In anime, literature, film, TV etc. I highly doubt many outside of England saw Shakespeare in person, but those plays lasted longer than some empires did.
14:13 Thx for the Magnetic Rose shoutout, Geoff! More ppl need to see this hidden gem.
What is the background instrumental for this part!!! I need to know!
I enjoy Stink Bomb's humor
Thank you for showing a clip of Princess Tutu in this video! It’s one of my all time favorites and I absolutely consider it a classic magical girl anime.
I've learned a fuck ton from you and you introduced me to one of my favorite shows ever, thank you. Keep doing what you're doing man. Mad respect.
Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu not getting a bluray release in the west is one of the great tragedies of our current "binge and move on" anime climate. Truly one of the most captivating animated dramas I've ever watched and I want to be able to revisit that series with physical media when the likes of Crunchyroll are no longer around.
You know what's my personal classic?
Black Lagoon.
I will never hear MLP the same ever again.
Suhan Hwang omg I love Black lagoon ♡_♡
Fuck yeah Revy
It was a solid 7-8, nothing revolutionary, but an amazing ride.
Agreed on we need the philosophy of Re:Creators video. Your "A classic in the making" turned me on to that show and it ended up being one of my all time favorites. Thank you!
That transition at 3:25 is pure eyeball cocaine.
Also great video; it's easy to fall into elitism when discussing 'classic anime' in relation to newer, 'seasonal anime', so thanks for keeping it both objective (as can be) and positive.
Every time you said bad, you put DBZ and Sailor Moon up on the screen. We might have to fight now.
Meh, OG Dragonball is still better than DBZ. :P
DBZ really isn't that 10/10 masterpiece that people claim it to be. Personally I think it's a 6 to mid 7's show.
Lol I felt the same way. Like everyone has a right to thier own opinions but..... F*** U! Fight me! Dragon Ball is great! 🤣
@@Ash_Wen-li Agreed. Only way it gets to a 9 or 10 (maybe an 8 depending on individual subjectivity) is if you go with TFS's DBZA. Same with SAO-while when I first watched I thought it was really good because it was a time where I needed a wish-fulfillment anime, when I watched again a year or more later, I saw just how crappy it was, but SAOA from Something Witty brings it back up to a higher rating.
Being the hardcore Dragon Ball nerd that I am, you can have your opinions on it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that I can only think of one other Anime (Pokemon) that has the amount of recognition that Dragon Ball has all around the world. It has been popular since it's inception and continues to be to this day. It is the definition of a classic. Sailor Moon isn't quite on DB's level but it's definitely up there and a classic non the less.
Oh my god, did I see 2 seconds of Kyousogiga at 10:05? Wow, I never hear anyone talk about that show!!! Absolutely gorgeous animation.
Ikr! It's such a gem
I saw his video earlier, so I love seeing yours continue the conversation
Both you and Gigguk are doing such a favor for new and old fans alike by discussing this topic. Keep up the good work!
I don’t think people understand that Gigguk isn’t saying that “the classics” like Bebop and Brotherhood are dead. If they watched the video, they would know he was saying that today, we don’t get as many new classics as we did back then.
We get more, simply aren't what *you* think are classics. Simply by being much more anime produced.
What makes a classic is *time* my dude. We'll find out if any current anime transcends into being a classic in the next decade or two.
Like, Code Geass and Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood? Older shows, but relatively new in comparison to classic anime like Ghost in the Shell and Sailor Moon. And yet both Code Geass and FMA:B have already become "Must Watch" anime for those just getting interested.
I think its cause they skimmed the video and read the top comment which (ironically?) says the classics are dead
Shout out for the Space Dandy tracks that were used in this video 👌
my man!
Thank you for putting some Space Dandy Soundtrack in your video! I really enjoyed it.
Thank you for showing a clip of run with the wind. It's my favorite sports anime from last year at bearly gets any love because of when it came out.
I seriously have been considering making my own anime review channel and starting off with how I believe that 'Made in Abyss' has the makings of a classic anime.
my theory is is based off of two points that I believe are essential to a classic that transfer not only to anime, but to movies and video games alike.
1. world building. does the anime have the ability to pull you into it's world without you realizing how engrained you've become in it?
for example- the likes of Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are phenomenal at this. These two animes have the potential to hold spin-offs that's are equally as good as their original counterparts. Imagine if we started the follow the journey of Knives instead of Vash in Trigun. the story would be equally as compelling playing on Triguns unique ability to flow from humor to seriousness in an instant.
Death note would be another fair example as the idea of a random person picking up the death note would still be equally as compelling even if that person weren't as smart as light in the beginning. We could watch that person learn strategies and tactics to escape danger and watch as their ideology shifts in comparison to how Light originally wielded the book.
In this Made in Abyss does an excellent job as even though the story follows human girl and robot book to look for her lost mother, a famed white whistle, we could have just as easily watched a story where two other random children brave the same dangerous literally for the fame alone realizing how large of a mistake they have made. in that idea alone you already have compelling story ideas displayed before you as your mind begins to pain a picture of watching how they would attempt to navigate the same dangers our original main characters faces.
this brings me to my next big talking point, the shows true ideology and how it resonates with a person during and after the anime to answer its main question:
Some would argue that this would be a reflection of the times the anime was created and how it represented the world upon release however I think that it's all about if what the animes main question is tackled in a way that really gets its point across.
Full metal alchemist is a great example of a strong ideology; what is a life really worth? from the very beginning you have the two brothers attempting to bring their mother back to life using science and alchemy. though they did succeed in getting the measurements and alchemy spell exactly right, they clearly lacked an equivalent offering in exchange for the mothers soul.
I dont want to make this comment too long but if you agree of disagree let me know. and if you'd like me to make a video refining my idea I'd love to hear from you as well.
Thanks for mentioning Showa genroku rakugo shinju.
One of the best shows in recent years in my opinion.
I would love more people to appreciate it.
These videos have made me feel old . Lol i do love this discussion and i would definitely love to continue it over on my podcast... but i don't really know what i would contribute to it right now... so maybe i will take a few weeks or maybe months to think the subject over.... i think both sides made very strong contributions, and i can remember a time when many of the anime listed were just shows we were watching, not classics. You two have given me lots of food for thought in this slow anime season
Hey, thanks for making a really informative video. I was a 90's kid and early 2000's teen and I always wondered why it was that I and my other anime fan friends all had similar experiences with the classics and why those always lined up suspiciously well with Manga UK's distribution library. Now I know. 😃
I'd say that Made in Abyss is going to go down as a classic.
You say that but in a crowded field it has already been forgotten. It will likely go down as a cult classic because nothing has enough staying power anymore to have that lasting impression in our minds that Eva, Trigun, or Bebop did.
Made in Abyss manga needs to finish and not fuck up. Then an adaption of said unfinished material can be made. And if it lives up to the initial adaption then yes it may become a true classic.
It has everything a good show needs best pet Mitty, best robot Reg and best Dad Bondrew
@@Bushflare I really doubt it according to the ratings on MAL which is a big source for some people when they wanna watch a new show
@@Bushflare On both this video and and gigguk's loads of people are talking about it. That means it left an impact on allot of people even if it's not in the discussion right now. That sounds like a developing classic to me.
im almost done watching berserk. All while staying up to date with 2 airing shows. Its all about balance. Discover the old and new classics.
Dude, you just made me subscribe to your channel, just for putting Ashita no Joe here 9:29
I'm just happy that u put Drifters, Princess Tutu and Mushishi in the video!
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT RAKUGO!!!!
Its one of my absolute favourite manga/anime!
So THATS what mr neice guy did with my footage lol. Great video, we gotta put our 2 cents in now dont we?
Great video man! I know very little about anime but your videos help me question why I’ve watched some anime’s and not others!:)
Thank you I always appreciate when people in the anime community recognize Space Dandy and Cowboy Bebop because it’s greatness and is some of my favorite anime of all time.😊
This is a huge coincidence! I literally just finished watching Re:Creators, your Re:Creators review, and Gigguk's video on classics. Really great video + perfect timing = really enjoyable experience for me.
I think The Promised Neverland has a really good change of becoming a cult classic, or near one
Shaman X no u
Awesome video as always, but that cut at 3:26 was amazing :O
omg I’m so happy to see just a little clip from one of my all-time favorite shows, Kyousougiga!!!
I really, REALLY missed Haruhi...
I lost it when he said "even that one" 😂
Honestly I'd love to see a collab. video between you and Gigguk. In terms of anime news/opinion, you two are my go-to sources and I think it'd be great to hear a discussion between the two of you. :D
Thank you! The lack of this perspective was exactly the issue I took with Gigguk's POV. Thanks, dude!
Old or New. As long as it is something I enjoyed, I won't forget it. Then again, I can say the same thing for things I didn't enjoy as well but you get the point. 😁
thumbs up for the visions of escaflowne shout out
A clip from Memories episode 1!!! You, sir, deserve an award.
Twenty-one years old and I felt the need to visit this video and reminisce about those old "classics." I'm a seasonal anime viewer now that there are streaming services as I watched Toonami, 4Kids, and the anime that marked my childhood. I agree there's those classic anime that are worth visiting again for enjoyment and because of their timeless quality (like FMA and Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu). I have met young anime fans that haven't seen the same anime I grew up with an I am aware of the silent change that is going on in the community through my small lenses.
I do hope new and young anime fans visit 90's anime and keep them alive, find new classics us from the West weren't exposed to, and push new classics forward.
All of that anime montage had me drooling like crazy
I don't care what anybody says, Evangelion is and *will* continue to be my favourite anime. I love everything that it stands for , the characters , the story and how it progresses. It's just too good.
And the waifu wars...
It’s been over 25 years...
Same
Love your definition of classics @10:30. one ive heard for Music is that the classics are what still gets listened to when everyone that grew up with them is dead.
I started watching anime almost a year ago, and I would say I've focused mostly on shows from 10ish years ago - definitely not classics but I love to see older anime, and shows that had the styles of those from the 90s. Monster, and Eva are two of my favorites
Well, it's settled
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is a classic
I think JoJo was a classic way before the new anime came out. It just finally got a worthy addaptation.
YES YES YES
Jojo is a CLASSIC anime
@@softevilkitten that is a good point to make. I mean type in 23rd president of the United states on Google and go on images. I dont need to say anything else
It's already been a classic manga since its inception. Now just anime fans can't shut up about it, especially since the adaptation has a lot of ready material to go through and is delivering it at a steady pace.
And I mean, good for them for having something unique that hit the right spot for them, but I do wish they'd stop spamming their supposedly inside jokes and praise everywhere they go. I personally would be more willing to give JoJo another shot if the community showed some sign of restraint (stopped at part 3).
@@Skallva Skallo yeah, you do see that a lot nowadays, the whole "is that a jojos reference" schtick gets tiresome after the 1000th time. The "inside jokes" are just coincidental links to the series half of the time. It does get tiresome, and I dont blame you for getting fed up, it can be straight up annoying at times.
12:45 YES, THANK YOU SOMEONE ELSE LIKES ESCAFLOUNE
I WILL FIGHT PEOPLE ON THIS ITS A TIMELESS CLASSIC I STILL RECOMMEND
Escaflowne - Dragons, action, romance, mecha, Sir Isaac Newton, and some of the best music ever put to screen. Truly this anime had it all. I have not found better before or since.
Also I bought three different Escaflowne sound tracks looking for the song Shadow of Doubt the song that made me fall in love with the Cello. None of them included it because of how much amazing music is in this incredible show.
Geoff you recommended the Irresponsible Captain Tyler on one of your Lists a few years back and I agree it has become one of my favorite anime and deserves a much better following than it has. While it isnt a Classic (at least in the current culture) I would love to see it get more recognition so that it might one day be recognized as such.
For all those curious, 14:12 is Memories: Magnetic Rose made in 1996, its directed by the same man who did Akira. Enjoy!!
I still watch anime the way most of the fandom back when you had to wait like a year for a show to be licensed: what I want, when I want. I hardly keep up with the seasons, I just watch what I want to see, no matter how old it is. Sadly, this means I can't really be a part of the conversation these days.
But I'm happy, I don't waste time on things unless I know I'll love it, and I appreciate my faves all the more. Sometimes smaller communities surrounding one show is better than the anime fandom at large.
Also, you didn't really mention that shojo were big in the early 2000's boom, it feels like Fushigi Yuugi, CLAMP stuff and Fruits Basket were unavoidable during that time. In fact in a lot of cliques manga and anime caught on for having stuff aimed at girls that are *gasp* actually good.
In my opinion, one of the modern anime that I think is a classic that is kind of recent would be Assassination Classroom, and the people who know it outside of the community also praise it because it is really good.
Edit: Also following your train of thought Land of the Lustrous is also a classic for it's awesome work on 3D animation and a generally good story
Nicolas Moncada Assassination classroom maybe and the other no way it’s visuals might have an effect on the industry but most people don’t even know it exists
did the anime have an ending similar to the manga?
Dominique Byers ok but can you call something a classic if like 10 people have seen it? Like, no, land of the lustrous while great is not a classic and honestly probably won’t be
@Dominique Byers yeah, I haven't actually watched Assasination Clasroom but I read the manga and it was great.
Dominique Byers still I don’t think it has enough influence yet or been around long enough for any one to call it a classic I don’t think it will be also tbh
I really love 1:00 that square format pan out to a wider screen signifying the old and new anime. nice touch lol
I love how you use the best song ever in anime in this vid, Dandy in Love.