Sail Life - Bilge modification & longitudinal support - DIY sailboat refit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- DIY fix to a deep bilge, more cabin sole and longitudinal support under the cabin sole.
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The work on the structural members will be the unseen hero of this refit.
If I was a boat I would wish for Madds to be my owner!!!!!
I don’t always understand what he is doing but I do understand it’s done right!
Mads: I just want to tell everyone who watches your channel how amazing your videos are. They probably know that they like them, but maybe they don't know why. I'm here to point it out. I'm a filmmaker/editor and the time you take to set up interesting shots is mind-blowing. For example, in episode "First Section of Deck Done & Failed Plans," about 1/2 way through the episode you were feeling under the weather and went home. When you came back the next day, you opened on a medium shot of getting out of the car and you introduced your plans for the day. Then you stopped recording and moved the camera to a wide shot to continue the thought as you entered the building. You cut again and picked up inside the shed on the ground. THEN YOU CUT AGAIN and picked up climbing up into the boat. I'm sure most people don't understand or think about how much time and thought has to go into that much setup. You're already on a deadline to get your boat done and you STILL take the time to make your videos interesting for the viewer by keeping things moving and changing... not to mention that the mere process of explaining everything you do probably costs you 1-2 hours a day because teaching and showing just by nature SLOWS YOU DOWN! So thank you from all of us watching for your awesome videos. They truly are appreciated!
There;s a lot of things going right in this channel, and likely it is all by accident. I think Mads' OCD plus attention to detail somehow works.
You really are the expert in epoxy, you've had tons of experience. I don't know why west systems doesn't sponsor your videos:-)
Truth has been spoken! I feel like an expert just from watching you...
Instablaster...
Another great video as usual, Sunday's just aren't the same without Sail Life 👍
I learn more watching your videos than I did at University.
Athena’s structural members are looking super spiffy compared to last winter/spring, awesome. I agree 100% with your assertion that you should not have a grey-water retaining area that’s not enclosed in a tank for a few reasons. 1. Water creates smells - mold, skank, whatever, 2. If you ever lay up your boat over the winter while it’s full of water, the expansion of ice is likely to crack whatever it’s contained in. You def don’t want any part of the hull to crack, not even a little, especially anywhere below water line.
I'm addicted to your channel.
Ah Sunday is now complete.
I really like the additional details you are doing to make Athena a strong and squeak free boat for the future.....I'm sure that will make it much more comfortable when sailing.
Thanks! Fingers crossed :P
While there won't be any qualm about the "strong" part, I still would doubt the "squeak free" properties though.
I did a similar rebuild on a smaller sailboat years ago, and went from having routinely wet bedding to having dusty bilges -- and squeak-free, as you say! -- but to my way of thinking, *leak-free* is HUGELY important. A boat which is a bit wet in good conditions can become a washing machine in survival conditions, and that almost inevitably will have a really bad effect on crew morale and skipper decision-making.
I believe I can say. You have become a top notch fiberglass installer and a World class Glorious Sander. I'm enjoying your restoration series.
I really liked your summary at the end. I don’t recall your doing that before, but I noticed it today.
Thanks 🙂 First time I've ever done that 🙂
i think I'd leave the void in the keel foam free. Water shouldn't get in but if it does you can always pump it out through your spiffy inspection hole.
I agree. If you fill it with foam, then you'll never be completely sure what's going on in there!
100% agree
What is the argument for adding the foam?
Well, air is better floatation than foam and if the boat fills with water that tiny area wont help anyway 🤔☺️
I agree was just about to comment on that. If adding foam wouldn't closed cell be better anyway so it wouldn't absorb water.
@@mindertdeboer9250 Would closed cell foam sink then?
out of all the videos I watch, yours is the one I always turn to first - they are just so interesting just to see the progress - and the quality of the videos is so good - I am excited about the upcoming cabin build
I see you've got your dinghy in the workshop. I've always admired the way you plan ahead.
This bilge was a very good place for two tanks, one for diesel and one for the gas the Outboard engine uses. With a space in one end of the bilge to pass the bilge pump and to be able to inspect.
Ahh "Deep bilge aficionados" .. tuchy subject :D omg soo good, Mads you have come a long way!
Thouroughly enjoying the journey.with you Mads. I don't mind if you never finish Athena.
As for the bilge. I'd make it into another fuel tank myself. You can never have too much diesel, especially when cruising high latitudes when diesel is not only propulsion, it is also heat. Good choice in not filling it in with worthless foam. You can add a sealed cover with takeoff/return tubes later and now you just added quite a few liters of reserve fuel capacity.
Thank you for another wonderful video Mads. Just the perfect amount of sanding and glassing to go with a meal. Like a fine wine, your videos are getting better and better. My best to you, Ava and Jurkell. Have a good week ahead.
I have never fast forwarded any of your video's this is the only channel I can say that hand on heart, always interesting start to finish.
That access port to the "bottomless pit" of bilge is a GREAT idea! You should just leave the void empty so you can inspect and pump as needed.
Mads has created a watertight compartment
great episode Mads. Have a great week. Bryan.
The little recap was great. Easy to forget the huge ammount of work you have done
She's coming together nicely Mads. :D
A deep bilge is a safe place for flooding. We took a wave from astern, completely caught us out. We think about 2 to 300 litres came on board very quickly. It went straight into our deep bilge which meant things like the engine were not flooded. It was then easily pumped out. I got salt water in my tea though and had a chart table full of water. It was a freak wave by the way. We had made the mistake of removing the wash boards to early.
Fiberglassing down in the bilge “Great core workout” boat repair is a fitness program!
All of the good work shows. It is looking great!
coming along nicely!
Love your sense of humour:)
You’re the master it’s your boat I’m sure you’ve done your research,to foam or not to foam is up to you!! Another stellar video thanks
Hey Mads! I can understand that you don’t want a deep bildge for keeping a spiffy clean bilge but I’m sure as you know they have their place!
When you have a seacock break off, or your packing gland fails water comes in so much faster than you would think and having a deep bilge just gives you extra time to figure out a solution if your pumps stop working (power loss, etc)
I see that you glassed in false floors and thats fine but if it was up to me I would leave it empty beneath the floors. I wouldn’t fill with foam because if/when something goes wrong, being able to open that port and gain a place for gallons and gallons of water to go would be a great fail safe.
Just a thought!
Great video as always but how is Yokul doing, haven't seen him for ages. (forgive the spelling)
Definitely a shipwright in a previous life..his attention to detail .is a amazing ...
Mads you are making prodigious and substantive progress. My vote for this weeks work - is the other cabin sole purely for the convenience factor.👍
Your work is looking great. And the bilge area is spot on. Your video has now made my day. Waiting on the next one.
Hot glue a few supports under where you want the false bottom. It keeps your working area free of lines, and no holes get drilled into the false bottom... no matter how small.
Loving how it is finally taking shape, it’s looking great!
Lots of great progress!
It is so impressive, this is one of our favorite channels!
Awesome video Mads, we love it!
Mads you have turn a coner of sorts in that you are no longer tearing stuff out but putting stuff in so a milestone of sorts. From here on it gets better and better.
It’s always amazing the amount of work needed in places you will never see however once completed it will allow you to see some amazing places, from Terry down under
Looking pretty spiffy, not too janky! All kidding aside, she's looking great. Lots of progress being made.
Again your detailed planning is paying off along with good old hard work. Keep going, hi Ava.
Hi Mads,
Great video as usual, just a quick thought about the longitudinal pieces between the supports, I think I might be tempted to screw these into the ply supports rather than glassing them, this would enable them to be removed easily in the future for better access to the under sole area, sometimes it's a good place to store items, if the supports could be removed it would create and area where any size/shape of item could be placed there, plus better access to the bilge. Keep up the great content I look forward to your videos every week.
Great work - even the bits you can't see look spiffy.
By Prep you mean glorious, glorious sanding!
I am really enjoying watching your refit!
Now we're getting somewhere!
Just be glad you're not in Arizona working in our "heat" wave! Hey what is 110 degrees Fahrenhiet in Celcius? Course you'd be closer to your sweetheart!
I am just in awe of what you've accomplished. Such an awesome job!
It's looking very spiffie, you can do my fiber glassing anytime. Always amazed how you never have any of those unraveled weave strings stuck all over the place. When I glass there seem to be more of them than actual still woven fabric area.
If you don't mind me saying so, you have the most beautiful bilge I have ever seen.
Another Great video, I am so happy to see your subs continuing to climb !!
Great to see happy and upbeat Mads back! Hard slog is done, now it's all easy sailing.
Fingers crossed :D
A bigger impact will help a lot. You might look at Makita for a drill and impact drill driver combo. Love your channel and the class of work your doing!
You have made a great amount of progress Mads. :)
Your prep work is as always............. OUTSTANDING! 🥇
Thank you so much :)
Just curious why the keel has a void. Isn't that area where the ballast is carried? Would it make sense to add more ballast?
Excellent glass work Mads.
Looking pretty dang spiffy. All this hard work will pay dividends on the water. Love watching the progress. If you ever do charter sails as income when your afloat I'm there.
Fair winds.
its stunning looking back and seeing the progress. you're a national treasure mads :)
And with the video up and showing... it's time for a beer! Great as always Mads! Cheers!
Sounds like a solid plan :)
Great work on the bilge cap!
Another great vid. You are a craftsman. I used to work for a company that made machines to pump mixed epoxies. What you do is always the correct way to use epoxy. Other sailboat channels should watch you. BTW it would be nice to see updates from Eva,via phone or whatever Now and then. Thank you for your vids.
Lot's of progress this week! Good work Mads!
Just a thought. You could fill that nasty bilge with a sand cement slurry. This would add a bit of extra stability to the keel and make it very hard for water to get into that area. Maybe cement boat guy could help with this.
I'm always impressed with how fast you can work when you start sanding.
That was a decent amount of work (for Mads). For us normal people that was humongous!
Great progress, Mads!
'nature abhors a void', sorry to take poetic license with an old saying but it is still true. Seems like this would be a grate space for installing a stacked battery box (for sealed batteries only) or for storing a large oil jug (with a tight cap), or mayB the sea anchor (in a moisture resistant bag). Putting something in there might encourage you to clean it out occasionally, eh?
Another great vid, thank you! I would liked to see more on how you actually laid the glass onto the lower false floor corners. The video just skips over the actual process. Looks to be tricky doing inside corners. How did you lay it up please?
Great work yet again looking spiffy
Thank you so much :)
Very spiffy you honestly have got me looking for a project not a 38ft I'm looking more along the 30ft mark keep it up the good vids ⛵
As always, a great job. i hope you get to spend a magnitude of time greater sailing then sanding.
your a trained craftsman !
Thank you so much :)
Hey Mads, good to see you again. Wondered where you got to.
Love your work !
Alway enjoy your clips!
Well done and very professional work indeed
hi the boat is looking good
Thanks Mads getting worried you are getting near the end of sanding 😱 can i suggest a separate channel, more mads sanding or sanding mads. This will help some of us transition to sailing videos you will start posting with the boat in the water I know i will be at a loss soon when all this fiberglassing followed by glorious sanding comes to a end. Fast forward to the end of glorious sanding😱🤯👎. I ask myself what will i do then where willi get my sanding fix???? 😭😫☹ my sunday evening will be ruined, don't think i could face work without my sanding fix!
You really do beautiful work.
Looking great
Great video as always!
Great job well done.
Hello. Nice job. Question: The fact that the cabin sole does not rest on the longitudinal rib is something you want or just happened?
Not a deep bilge fan per-se, but it might be a good idea to fill it with scrap metal or something a bit weighty for balance perhaps? I'm far from a sailboat expert, but a heavy keel seems like a good idea in rough weather simply for stability and a bit less rolling.
Imagine you're listing heavily and you have a decently sized air bubble directly below you....especially if your glass job is half as good as it looked.
Do you think all the added weight from the repairs will affect the way the boat sits in the water? Keep up the great videos.
Remember to take a measurement to the centre of the larch suports, to make the construction of the hatches a bit easier. Nice job on the supports btw.
I’m sure the first bilge area you reduced the depth in will be more than adequate but I’m not sure about the one behind it with the inspection hole. Any water there will slosh up the sides of the boat as there is no depth there or are you putting in another lumber hole to direct the water into the deeper area? All looking great and once the cabin sole is all down it will feel so much better. Andy UK
As always.. an excellent job 👍🏻
Nice work Mads
welcome back :)
Hi Mads, I have a question, not related to this post. I am about to buy an Albin Ballad and want to live on the boat for at least a few years in Aarhus. Water is running down the mast when it rains. Did you experience the same issue and would that be a reason not to buy the boat for me? Thanks for all your videos!!
Great video as usual Mads, BUT how is Yourkul doing??.
Do you have any concerns about the air trapped under the false bottom expanding or contacting as the temperature fluctuates? Seems like that could create some pressure differences over time that could be problematic.
Looking good!
No matter what you do, water will accumulate in that deep bilge. I'd want a way to inspect and dry it at least once a year, and would never fill it with foam and just hope. (Did you know even your GRP hull is slightly water permeable? Polyester moreso than epoxy.)
My thoughts exactly! I think the best solution would be to leave the void as is and use the inspection hatch to drain the sludge from the deep now and then. Water soaked foam could/would end up smelling bad?
I think 'slightly' might even be overstating it ;)
yes, and don't forget condensation. A very bad idea to seal the bilges.
What if you put a large water bladder in the deep bilge, inflated hard so it filled the space but could easily be removed for inspection? And used as a long distance water tank if ever needed? (Potable, gray, just swap bladders if you change your mind.)
As always, love the video!
great vid and work as always!