Why do Baristas HATE decaf? - Coffeefusion
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Thank you for taking decaf seriously. Some of us drink coffee for the taste, not the addictive drug content. Looking forward to tasting that new roast.
I'm weird. Caffeinated coffee makes me sleepy. I have to drink decaf if I want coffee.
Nightcap decaf is available on my website but just shipping within Australia at this stage!
Gary
@@hunnerdayEDT You should talk to your doc about that. Might have adhd or some other neurological disorder
@@hunnerdayEDT Oh my god same, once I drank some coffee, got so tired somehow and took a 3 hour nap. Can't find anything about this on the internet though..,
@@evev5358 read somewhere that coffee makes some people with ADHD sleepy. So, maybe it that (?)
I have to limit my caffeine intake as too much makes me feel ill, so if we could get decaf as high quality and diverse as the specialty single origin coffee I've been sampling lately then I'd be all for it! As you mentioned though, it'd be hard in a commercial setting to have it remain fresh. It's just not popular enough where I'm working at the moment, to the point where we don't offer it at all. If it could gain a better reputation over the next few years I think we'll be seeing a lot more specialty coffee shops making it available - and acceptable rather than an inconvenience to the barista.
Yeah I agree with you. I'm excited by this decaf option - but I'm also really excited to watch it develop even further.
Regarding freshness - a lot of specialty cafes have a single dose grinder for single origins these days (for example EK43). This means that they can offer multiple coffees out of one grinder, and it's just a matter of adjusting the EK for each coffee you're making. Once you understand the coffees you're using, you can typically just make the adjustment before you throw the particular single in, and know that what you grind will extract well. In this case, the decaf is just another coffee, and you can dial it in just like any other single :)
Me too ! ✋
I’ve always frowned at decaf, But as I’ve gotten older the idea of having a coffee in the evening is extremely appealing especially after dessert or something
I drink a lot of decaf these days because I love lattes and cappuccinos but am not always in the mood for very mild anxiety. :D I almost feel a bit guilty when I order it, but this did a good job of clarifying what it's potentially like across the counter when we order it. So thank you!
It also sounds like a great way to practice with without developing the jitters.
Haha that's true, so hard to pour good latte art when you're a few coffees in!
I used to avoid decaf at all costs. Now it accounts for @ 95% of my coffee intake. It’s good to see producers/roasters taking it more seriously. Just ordered a bag of Nightcap - Keen to try it out….
Love seeing decaf in the spotlight. Would love to see how you dialled in the roast profile in the end.
I love decaf, because sometimes I just love the comfort of a warm cup of coffee. Even as a barista, I love the stuff, though I've never had a good decaf espresso.
I have switched to decaf now and my mood, sleep and anxiety is all improved!!
Love regular coffee but have to drink decaf for... reasons. Volcanica makes amazing decaf that tastes like non decaf
we with high blood pressure have no choice but decaf
I miss coffee but have to drink decaf now for fertility reasons. Once I cut down caffeine and stuck with decaf, I became fertile. Thank you for the video!
I love brewing the decaf at work. We have a separate grinder for it and it has its own unique qualities. I love the taste and aroma, and geniunely enjoy introducing it to customers.
That's great to hear! Decaf MVP!
Decaf is amazing, because it contains caffeine in traces it doesn't mess up your sleep.
These days, decaf got so good it's on par with some specialty coffee IMO.
Maybe we could engineer coffee to produce theanine instead of caffeine. It would eliminate the need for the extraction process and would make it even more suitable for the evening.
Sounds interesting probably possible . What is theanine ? does it help with sleep ?
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It's anxiolytic so it can help with sleep. I take it sometimes for anxiety. It produces GABA and lowers glutamate so very appropriate for sleep. Plus it seems like it's an isomer of caffeine so it should be quite easy to engineer coffee to make it.
You can buy 100g bags of the powder for about £10. I mix it with tea since it's already present in it in small amounts.
I'm in North America right now and lately have become a titch bit obsessed with decaf - I have Kicking Horse out of Golden, BC as my current grind and a few Bridgeheads from Mechanicsville in Ontario waiting for a turn; love to hear what you think of these if you have tried them!!! Barista was one of my first jobs and decaf was a big time rare buy which made that customer a special unicorn and me happy and tittilated because YES all that extra decaf prep was worth it hahahahaha.
Buzzed to have found this channel while looking for more info on decaf life and would love to hear of any leads on a great Canadian decaf (or a company that delivers to Canada for a decent price lol) to help stay on my game. TIA.💗☕⭐
Sorry for the late reply, thanks so much for your unique perspective! Unfortunately I haven't tried a lot of roasters outside of Australian coffee suppliers, but I know that Decaf is a much more popular beverage in some other countries, which makes it make sense that more R+D has been put into acquiring nicer decaf coffees. It's great though in the last couple of years that a quality decaf offering has started arriving into Australia.
Good luck for your search. Maybe someone else in Canada will see your comment and provide some more insight into specialty coffee roasteries there :)
I just bought an espresso machine and I've been having an awful time dialing in a good shot. I've gotten drinkable shots, but they're not perfect. I drink decaf because I feel like crap drinking regular, but love the taste of coffee. In my opinion, there aren't enough roasters making good decaf and whole beans are even rarer. Get with it, guys, we need great decaf, not just good decaf!
I'm not sure if you're based in Aus, but if you are, definitely check out my decaf! It's great and I've had a few customers who've cut back on their regular coffee and switched it out for Nightcap!
@@brewbudsclub No, I'm in the US. I'd love to try yours if we were closer 😁
“More like coffee was like a few years ago”
Which essentially means like over strong burned stuff
I’ve spent a while trying to locate decent and importantly varied decaf. It isn’t because I don’t want caffeine, just because I’d like to choose how much a bit.
I grind beans, I brew etc but cannot be said to be obsessive about any of it … I figured out what I like, how to get the best of it and that’s it really.
Then I got to decaf trying out … it all just seems over burned to me or a nothing drink at the limited availability other end.
Compare that to what is available caffeinated just now and there is a massive gap int he market
Would love some good half-cafs!
I can’t have caffeine like at all so I love drinking decaf coffee ☕️❤️
Keen as mustard to get my hands on this... my wife and a couple of customers have decafs everyday so if I can provide a better cup I'll jump on that! Will it be espresso or filter biased roast?
I'll definitely keep you in the loop Chris! It will definitely be developed with espresso in mind.
Here's the thing, we have a really good tasting decaffeinated coffee, but I only have one machine. Our decaf blend is a lot finer that our normal blend, so when someone asks for a decaf drink, we have to spoon it into the group head and then struggle watching it as it slowly pours through the group head, just takes up too much time
The Ben Vosper I run a coffee van and do a handful of decafs a day (including my wife) I now grind up 10 shots of beans in the morning and store them individually in small décor 75ml containers(they are round and fit right over the basket), I find that the coffee is much fresher and is ground the same as my regular coffee so extracts pretty much the same! The flavour has improved in leaps and bounds too!
Yeah - I think this is one of the main struggles of quality decaf - the cost/benefit of having a second grinder so you can dial the coffee in properly. In your situation, you could try dosing less coffee in order to have a faster extraction.
- Chris. Great advice - if you do have to pregrind, making up set doses that are ready to go and will extract well is a clever way around it!
So what was the end result? Is it the Nightcap decaf you have in your shop?
The mex decaf we use is pretty good, and I got no gripes against people wanting to moderate caffeine intake. However, if I only had 3 grinders, I would swap n dial or pre grind decaf to accomodate 1x blend and 2x singles in hopper, no question.
I get it. At the end of the day, which of the coffees are you going to sell the most of...? Always tricky weighing up (pardon the pun!) business decisions vs coffee decisions.
coffeefusion Not a coffee decision as much as it is a customer driven decision, i.e. we don't want anyone to feel left out! I accidentally served yurg instead of decaf once, only realising when cust was half way up the street. Fastest I've ever ran!
Hello! I was wondering if that decaf was available yet.
When I was in highschool, I became really addicted to caffeine because i never got any sleep due to classes and insomnia. So I lived off if 4-8shots if espresso a day. Now whenever I have it, even a small amount. I have an anxiety attack that can ruin my day. Years later, I broke the habit and drink inly decaf, but the flavours have never been there for me. So I'm SOOOO curious about what you have in store for us.
TheGreatLunaLanding sure is! It's on the website named Nightcap! Check it out, such a yummy decaf coffee!
coffeefusion awesome! Found it! Perfect timing haha
TheGreatLunaLanding unfortunately just within Australia at this stage! You should check out Cat and Cloud if you're stateside - Chris Baca is another great youtuber doing coffee stuff and I remember us talking about decaf before, hopefully they've got something great!
coffeefusion awesome! Thanks for the tip! Loving your videos and everything, thank you for all the help!
@@brewbudsclub I can’t even find the night cap website. Can u order online from stateside? And do u have a link?
It's 10pm and a just had a double blonde restretto, I want another but I also want to sleep tonight.
Oh no! Do you not ship to America?
I understand this is pretty old and hopefully that you come across some decent coffee in the interim.
I felt the exact same way as you wear if I could find a decent cup of espresso decaf that I would be in love and last night that happened.
I think a couple of things may have happened because it's also the best cup of coffee that I've ever tasted and I drink specialty coffee through my espresso machine 6 times a day sometimes.
This uses the CO2 superscalar method and is the Square Mile roaster it is there decaf espresso.
without giving you my life story a double shot espresso is a lot of caffeine for me and I have to kind of regulated so mixing this half and half is going to be pretty awesome so far I have not been able to even drink a single decaf coffee ever before finding this
Decaf has definitely come a long way in the last few years. The decaf I'm roasting now for my roastery is quite tasty :)
@@brewbudsclub I may try some!
Currently, I found a local roaster (Mighty Good Coffee Ann Arbor MI) that has an ethiopian Sidamo region swiss water blend that is just as good if not better than the first one mentioned lol...
Have a couple of theories.
it's expensive process , so use good beans.
Usually only offer one decaf per roastery so gotta make it good...etc.
Do you use a water or C02 based caffeine removal process? either seems awesome
Love the vids BTW.
most roasters don't want to decaffeinate their best coffee's.
but i've had a few really good decaf's in past couple of years
Despite it having that really strange aroma/taste especially
when it's aged alittle. if you've worked with alot of decaf's you
know what i mean.
Yeah there's always something lingering about them. This one though I hardly taste that 'decaf' flavour going on! At the moment i'm letting it age further to see how it changes.. will be interesting to see if that flavour develops more with age.
It tends to taste like chemicals and it as a manger it cost twice much and goes bad twice as fast.
Well if people who make coffee can make one that gives me energy without triggering a seizure from the caffine. Ill be game.
I don't know what stats are like elsewhere, but we do an average of 7-8kg of specialty per day, and around 200g decaf. I would say that low sales combined with its necessity contribute to Barista decaf hate.
Yep I agree - but the more interesting point - are sales of decaf low because in general, decaf is of lower quality? Do you think potentially if the stigma around decaf (which exists for customer too) was gone, more people would opt for an after decaf coffee?
I was chatting to a friend from the states recently, and he said there they do heaps of decaf, and there are a number of quality decafs to choose from! I feel like it should be just like our normal coffee - always trying to improve quality, and tell the story while we do in order to educate customers!
@@brewbudsclub I know this is an old vid now, bit noticed your comment about your mate saying US having some good decafs...could I bother you for a recommendation or two??
If there was a selection of high quality specialty decaf coffee near to the selection of regular specialty coffee, I would become a decaf drinker. I don't care about the caffeine, I care about the flavors and the brewing process. Unfortunately, decaf always has that off flavor for me. It tastes like molasses or something and I hate it. I can pick out a decaf coffee in a blind tasting just by the smell.
As a barista, my issue with decaf besides the flavor is that no one cares to dial in the decaf grinder or rotate the beans. So my struggle is,, do I spend the few minutes switching out the hopper, pulling shots and dialing in for the 5 people who want decaf, or do I dedicate my attention to the hundreds of people who come in looking for an amazing espresso?
It is a tricky call isn't it - and I think this is probably one of the major problems with the flavour of decaf.
HOWEVER, as you were saying - if you had a decaf of comparable quality, more people would be interested in drinking it. I think there's a huge assumption (and in a lot of cases I'd say fair) with the general public that decaf coffee tastes bad, so they'd rather go without than have decaf. If everyone improved their quality control on decaf, and it in general became a high quality product, I think more people would drink it, and as a result you wouldn't have the freshness issues, because instead of it being 1-5% of your orders, it might perhaps become 10-20% of your orders, and then there wouldn't be an issue with freshness.
Yes the amount of caffeine in espresso is too powerful a drug for me to enjoy.
Well, halfway through the video and I still do not know why baristas hate decaf...
Did you make it to the end? 😂
Too bad I have severe medical issues if I ingest too much caffeine.
But what about the process of getting rid of the caffeine itself? Usually there are some nasty chemicals involved that I'm not a huge fan of... These days every step of the processing is very important and brings something to the flavor. How das that step fit in there?
Most decaf these days is water processed not the old process where perchloroethylene was used...
Chris is on fire tonight! This decaf (and certainly a lot of decafs I see from quality coffee roasters in Australia) are decaffeinated using the Swiss Water Method. If you give it a search on youtube you'll find their youtube channel and it will explain how the process works better than I can :)
Thanks a lot guys! If that process doesn't influence the flavor in a negative way I'm all for it. I'm still happy that I don't have a problem with caffeine at night.
I think another option is to use caffeinated but make it weaker. But if the chemicals used to remove the caffeine are so minuscule it’s probably not an issue.