Taking Control of Your MENTAL HEALTH: A Guide to SAFE DE-PRESCRIBING with Dr. Mark Horowitz of Outro
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Are you struggling with mental health difficulties and wondering if long-term medication is necessary? Join us in this episode as we speak with Dr. Mark Horowitz, PhD, a clinical research fellow in psychiatry and Co-Founder of Outro Health. Dr. Horowitz sheds light on the deprescribing movement and how it can help those who no longer need psychiatric medication. He provides valuable insights on how to take charge of your mental health and make informed decisions with your healthcare providers. With Dr. Horowitz's expertise and personal experience, you'll gain a better understanding of the benefits of deprescribing and feel more empowered to make choices that support your mental wellbeing. Tune in now to start your journey towards a happier, healthier you!
This guy's a saint speaking out
Similarly, we can do our part as well. I believe I found this on MadInAmerica:
How to Interview a potential Psychiatrist:
1. Have you ever suffered from depression? (I understand that the depression rates are quite high in medical school.)
2. Are you comfortable with the violent and oppressive history that are the roots of your professions and that still exist today?
3. Have you ever thought about suicide? (I understand the rates for suicide are quite high for the Mental Health profession.)
4. How is your marriage? (I understand there is a lot of marital dissatisfaction in your profession.)
5. How do you deal with stress?
6. Who is running mental health checks on your profession to ensure you are fit to serve the public?
7. How many of your patients have you cured?
8. How many of the people who come to see you are not diagnosed with a mental illness?
9. What do you think of the methods that the DSMV uses to determine the criteria of a mental illness?
10. Do you agree that shrinks should be paid on a results-only basis?
11. How do you feel about me taping our sessions?
12. If your children were Dx’ed with Mental Illness(es), would you want these medications for them?
13. Would you ever take the drugs you are prescribing to me?
14. Have you ever been medicated? (I understand that medication is quite high for Doctors and in particular shrinks.)
15. Have any of your patients ever died of drug related side effects from the medication you prescribed to them?
16. Have any of your patients ever committed suicide? How many?
17. Have you ever been sued by a former patient? Do you mind if I FOIP that?
18. How many formal complaints have been lad against you by former clients? Where can I verify that information?
19. Do you have hospital privileges? Why did you lose them? Why not?
20. How much money are you being paid for this visit?
There’s a lot of now regarding safe titration but very little for poor people who came off the drugs both long tapering and cold Turkey. Where there is no help is if u are off and very poorly and unsure whether you are in relapse, rebound or post anti depressant withdrawal syndrome or both. We need advice on how to treat those ie restate and if so what dose and how to manage it and to manage paws. It seem the medics only know to say go back on full dose.
On the surviving antidepressants site they say go back on 1-2 mg. We need advice for people already in trouble. Also big pharma should be forced to produce micro doses for achieving these safety measures.
Great point,pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable.
We get gas lit as patients. We have to go along with what the doctor says and do what we need to do at home. Fill the script and don’t let on like you’re changing anything if you and your doctor aren’t on the same page about tapering/being on meds. They just don’t know.
Doctors get stuck in their Procedures, instead of patient centered care!
Most doctors, also, will just go with whatever was taught to them in medical school, so they'll just try the same thing over and over again as long as it follows the script. I've been on anti-depressants since 2011, and I've only ever had 1 doctor (out of 4) in that entire time who agreed that they didn't seem to be working. All of my other doctors would just switch my medications or add on a new one. Eventually it got so bad that I was on them 3 times a day, and they still wouldn't admit that they weren't working. I just decided to stop taking them on my own.
In part, doctors are holding down their job description, the status quo for them and their leaders in the Psychiatry-pharmaceutical co-franchise. Patients need to arrange their own improvements and work with peers! @@Hollyucinogen
@@stevekaylor5606 Yeah, I agree. A lot of them care more about maintaining the status quo and making money than the actual health of their patient. I have a medical condition that I figured out on my own because doctors just kept just saying, "You're depressed, go to therapy and take anti-depressants" for nearly 30 years (I actually have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - figured out by myself).
Within Standard of Care, judgement has been hubristic!@@Hollyucinogen
Was using Lexapro for about 35 days and had horrible side effects Including extreme agitation, restlessness, and horrible insomnia. Called my doc and told him I’m not taking it anymore.. he agreed, and gave me guidance on how to wean off it. Grateful for my doctor, but going to try a holistic route to treat the anxiety.
How did you taper? Thanks.
@@pcorp09I was only on 5 mg for a little over a month. Due to the side effects and wanting to stop, I consulted with my doctor. After speaking to my doctor, he told me to cut the 5 mg in half and take the half dose (2.5 mg) for 7 days and then stop. Im currently on day 4 of 2.5 mg. Since it was a low dose and I wasn’t on it for a very long time I was told the withdrawal shouldn’t be bad. Haven’t experienced much of anything but I am able to rest and sleep better. A little sluggish too.
@@pcorp09 you don't really need to taper after a month. If you do, don't take longer than a week or two otherwise you're just getting even more dependent on it. After like 3 months is where you prolly definitely wanna taper. But this is just rough info.
@@Dude8718 Thanks.
@@pcorp09 it'll be more comfortable probably tho to like take maybe a quarter a pill for like a week? Something like that? Work with your doctor but you could prolly not have to taper. But if it's too rough, take just a tiny bit to sort of ease it out if your body has started to adapt to the drug already.
I have been taking antidepressants for almost 28 years years, and I am now suffering from immune disease, muscles stiffiness, cronic pain, and stomach and gut problems. My psychiayer tells me it is not because of the antidepressants.
Me too, 24 years 😢
You can be sure it is playing a part...
@@AnitaNaomi-gm6fd Yes indeed.
@@dulcemoutinho5820Hi, are they helping you though? Do you feel much happier with them?
I took antidepressants for 20 years. I've been off of them for almost 4 years .I still have gut issues. Stay away from sugar, caffeine, alcohol, dairy, and flour. Eat alot of greens and fruits.
Way to go, Dr. Horowitz!
nice interview. Thank you for interviewing Dr. Horowitz. Thank God for his work!
This doctor is a blessing! Great information!
'guidlines' seems to be an opportunity for see no evil, hear no evil speak no evil while evil is all around, right in front of us and all over the historical record.
Standard of Care, ethical guidelines - as a protection racket!
Guidelines were dismissed in secret ,without the publics knowledge .FDA even admitted it .
"Security" is often evoked to enable Classification or censorship!@@Gary-b6o6h
@@Gary-b6o6h The FDA has shared personnel with pharma!
I was on venlavaxine,stopped about 6 months ago could not function on it and made me sweat profusely with minimum movement, tbh stop doing drugs all together, eat a moderately healthy diet without processed food ,proteins and mono and polyunsaturated fats and do regular exercise at least 20mins of cardio a day
Helpful ?
Thank you both for putting this information out there!
VERY welcome! Make sure to come back for new episodes
Will do! I’m been in severe protracted withdrawal from antidepressants for 3. years. The groups have been my ONLY resource. It’s criminal
that we can’t get help from the medical community. I’ve met with Mark via Zoom. He is saving a lot of lives ❤
2nd Degree Assault!@@elainewalters460
@@EverForwardRadio 'Psychiatry is sincerity, fraud and force!' - Thomas Szasz
God bless this man he is honest and a saint and will go to heaven at last a good one. We should do a gofund me for this man so he never struggles for being honest.
'Psychiatry is sincerity, fraud, force and financialization!' - Thomas Szasz
Doctors prescribe these medications without knowing how difficult they can be to come off these drugs!
It is overwhelming evidence in everday people know that they have been and being harmed.
The suffering is great.
The pharmaceutical companies should be stepping up and helping people that have suffered and suffering.
They need to be accountable!!!
It is Criminal what is happening to people....
Psychiatrists have the gall - to prescribe another drug for Tardive Dyskinesia!
Thank you 👌🏼
Excellent interview, lots of great information. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Wish this expose had been around in 2010 when my friend was in serious trouble from the side effects of certain meds; my own doctor saw him and was concerned about the meds but was not in a position to make a recommendation to him..
I'm sick on the meds and get even sicker trying to taper even when I go super slowly. I've had severe akathisia multiple times now and it seems like it's completely unavoidable for me no matter what I do.
Can I ask you what are you on?
let me explain how imy situation went!
this is the 3rd time I try to taper and every time I get into a a dark place !
I tapered very easy with liquid taper from 50 to 45mg over a course of 3 months. After each mini reduction of the dose I would get wd after 5 days and it would settle after more or less 2 weeks!
I started taper in April and my last mini reduction was in June 20th.
i didn’t dare to go further with the taper even slowly cause I started to get protracted wd!
I started to have extreme dizziness, nausea while at work , shaky, extreme anxiety , heart palpitations, insomnia and the worst when I got out on the terrace to enjoy the sun I started to have even more palpitations, anxiety, sweats and got badly heat exhaustion which tells me that my cns got really sensitive and couldn’t cope with it anymore . I got to ER extremely bad and they gave me benzodiazepines to calm down but that continued with diarrhea, extreme dizziness almost fainting, dysfunctional couldn’t recognize myself and couldn’t go to work which is very frustrating !
could you imagine what would have happened if I would continue to taper! So scary!
how could I continue reducing!
I was hopping that that would stabilize so I waited from 4th of July when the protracted Ed started till 7 of August and I can tell you that it got worse!
I couldn’t enjoy this summer! I was afraid to stay in the sun which I love or go to the beach! That I was calling not feeling myself as I never felt horrible on Sertraline!
the doctor told me to go back up to 50 mg and to see what else can we do in the future!
I don’t understand why is this happening but I really don’t see myself now continuing tapering I’m so scared ! My whole family is scared what I’ve been through!
I was feeling every day worse and wouldn’t see improving!
does this mean that at every reduction will this happen to me?
the last 2 months feel like I’m dying because of this!
couldn’t sleep at all and couldn’t wake up from my bed! Is this how tapering should be despite doing it really really slow?
maybe I’m one of the unlucky ones that are not able to reduce!
im conscious that I need to be on this in order to function and not because I really need this medication!
the psychiatrist told me I’m ok mentally and wanted me to stop but what I feel is totally different.
on top of that I cannot afford myself not to go to work! Do I have to punish myself this was with tapering and then loose my job and everything or I just keep taking my medication do a while and then try again later maybe 1 year…
did you also guys had this heat intolerance and almost having a heat stroke during tapering?
I was so dehydrated and nauseous !
omg! I wish this experience to no one and still I don’t understand how other people can stop Ssri in 8 weeks without problems… are we a different race or so? I really got scared and only the idea of starting taper again makes me crazy!
What drug do you take (trying to stop taking)?
Thanks
Thank YOU!
8 months off AD and Benzodiazepines, still got symptoms, mostly gut/gastrointestinal 😢
Focus on your gut microbiome. Eat foods such as Kiefer, yogurt, fermented foods like kimchi and sauerkraut, whole grains, beans, fruits, veggies, drink small amounts kombucha, stay away from any processed foods and sugar. Try to eat ORGANIC if at all possible. In the mean time you can take a good digestive enzyme such as DigestZen. Also, stay hydrated with water. ☺
And taper from benzos
uncessary dangerous psych meds have made many people one thousand times worse many people got diabetes from psych meds meige syndrome blephorspasm etc etc
Yep
Im tapering off mine it sucks
It's The $, plain, simple and Obvious.
If you have a serious issue going on and you hop on psych meds you're serious issue is going to turn catastrophic in a completely different area.
I was a low performer at work. I started and stopped an SSRI - now I am fired, reputation and career ruined and I got sued and evicted.
@@claireh.7605Hi, are you experiencing any ‘Emotional Blunting’ ?
@@intermilan6202 yes I think so. I feel like making sadistic fun and saying swear word to family members and have no sense of fear of doing it like I had before all my life; like I have no fear about saying bad things!
@@claireh.7605 really sorry hope you get through the other side
What if i need to stop an anti depressant but the tiniest drop of a dose of my Effexor Xr that i've been taken for 18 years gives me HUGE Genral Anxiety Symptoms? Even before I got on medication I could barely leave my house. .......I don't want to go back to that but sadly my Effexor "pooped out"......idk what to do. SSRI/SNRI's aside, Depression and Anxiety DIsorders SUCK!!!!!
Thank you. Be glad dont get pssd. Devasting condition wirhout treatment
Why are all of the cabinets in his room are open?
Add, kids, being in a rush, etc
Maybe he was craving a pill just before this interview and was desperately looking for one
Didn’t you listen to the video? He’s a nut giving nutty, dangerous advice.
@@mtamech535I hope you never experience withdrawal horror or PSSD or another life threatening (side) effect of these drugs! You need to do better! Mind your own business!
@@mtamech535no he is not . Depression is not caused by serotonin imbalance, we were fed with these misinformations for decades
love this
Well, well, he does seem to exploit his position on a public platform. Aftet a long admission in a mental health facility I have come to realize that psychiatry is detrimental to well-being. What stood out is the need for psychiatrists to share that they are experts. The truth is that large pharmaceutical companies provide funding for research . Just think about it...why would pharma companies want users to stop using n their products. As for tapering, I completely stopped all my meds the day I was discharged. My admission was 12 months. And everything is fine for me...but mental health providers want to keep patients dependant.
Mental Health may not co-franchise with the Pharmacy companies!
how do i add cantonese subtitles? thank you to the ones that reply. i appreciate you for guiding me .
It’s taken me 5 years to taper off of Cymbalta.
Cymbalta is Zeldox....? After 16 years on Zeldox I changed it back on Risperidone. I quit Zeldox overnight, cold turkey because of sweating and overheating side effects. Also insomnia for 5 last years left me in bad shape. Taking Risperidone 4 mg since January 2024 and have been sleeping each night 6 to 8 hours. Sweating decreased 70%.
How are you doing now? Are you getting better?
@@nargiza181 I'm cured. 110% healthy.
Should I go off of my mental health my psych medicine
Please give us the link for a Zoloft withdrawal… blog or site? Thank you in advance!
I've tried to go off of my AD a couple of times and couldn't do it. I wonder if mushrooms could repair the brain after long term AD use??
Neurotoxic drugs cause Disassociation; as Allen Francis said on T.V. in 2012 - "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!"
GO HOLISTIC PEOPLE, DONT TAKE NOTHING BUT NATURAL HERBS.
Any recommendations for anxiety and insomnia?
@@jlynn6465Wild Lettuce. You can buy seeds online & grow it yourself very easy
@@jlynn6465 Improve on 2 or 3 problems, then take up aesthetic Talent Training or the Empathic Therapy of Peter Breggin !
Which herbs are good?
Hello, if the discontinuation of SSRI caused gastroparesis-like symptoms, will restoring the same drug after 8 msc help?
i quit anti depressants i never had gastroparesis like symptoms the psychiatrist lowered my dose gradually
@@mikeodee1164 Thank you for your message. it is very comforting to me, because I did not put down gradually, this suffering is due to me, I am unlearned simply
I have the same thing. I have been taking antidepressants for almost 28 years by now due to a cronic depression.
@@krzysztof4543 anti depressans only heped me about 50 percent my depression was not very bad i was still able to function after i quit the anti depressants i started taking alpha lipoic acid for nerve pain to my suprise the alaph lipoic acid stopped my depression 100 percent and then i goodle alhpha lipoic acid for depression and i read its good for depression i been taking ala for the past 2 years my depression is still 100 percent gone i dont even feel lonely there are different types of depression and some people have more severe depression then others the ala might not work for everyone a lady i know takes ala with here anti depressants if u have diabetes u have to ask your dr if u can take ala it will lower your blood sugar
Tragic consequences of reinstatement, how could I think it was going to help. A drug for digestion?
My old doctor didnt listen, got a new doctor, he dont listen, told him my symptoms and wanted off DuLoxetine, he referred me to psychos meds, and told me to see a physicist. And all my symptoms , not all are written in black and white. I have no faith in big pharma are doctors at this point. 😢 Im getting off it, put he gave me 9 days of 30 mgs from 60 mgs, and thats it. Im going to the Pharmist tomorrow, to find out the proper way to wing off, Im on this for pain, nothing else, and it never worked. Will have the Pharmist write down how to wing off, because either these doctors refuse to see are they are tied into big pharma. What the hell is wrong these people. Paid off?
For starters - doctors receive money for each prescription they write!
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I have schizo affective disorder and it's awful.
Thought this was Zac Efron at first glance
Antidepressants don't increase chemical deficiencies.... They just numb emotional pain
Antidepressants CAUSE chemical imbalance! They can numb EVERY emotion! 😔
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Why are all of the doors open!?
If I stop taking medicine for my bipolar, are you going to be there for my family if I nose dive off the roof? Your advice is dangerous.
True. I have panic disorder. for years. I have mild hypertension BP and it was under control.
I tapered very slowly and had no problem for 6 months , then had a huge panic attack and BP spikes and had to go back on medication.
It was horrible. I am 60 and have this problem from age 35.
Yoga, meditation, and breathing help, but medication helps one feel normal, and do normal work. Otherwise I would be housebound.
@@jayanthisrinivasan9055 yep. Exactly. I have bipolar and I’m able to do things. To think some people want to take it away…makes me so mad.
Nowhere does he ever state he wants to take everyone off their meds. But a lot of people are being put on meds when they shouldn't be and suffering severe side effects and having a terrible time with it. You talk about nose-diving off a roof. Just wait until you experience what akathisia does to you.
@@jayanthisrinivasan9055 I got mania from SSRIs
This doc looks like no doc but a patient.
youre a bozo