Some Additional Weapon Calcs: * R1 Riot Supressor should be in the same tier as Steel Cushion. It's ~5% weaker when Steel Cushions passive is active and slightly stronger when Steel Cushion's passive is inactive. * R5 Cannon Rotor is on the same tier as R5 Starlight Engine (again Starlight's damage is
I wasn’t even going to build Billy but the tip about getting attack and damage ratio as close as 1:1 is extremely helpful. It is something I never considered when building my characters.
Great guide, not just for Billy but the principles are also applicable to maximizing damage for team comps, including which disks to build for supports so as not to saturate one damage multiplier.
Visualising the damage in shape of cube is really genius way to explain it!! I feel enlightened and more clear on how to properly build my dps now. This video is very cool 👍😊
You might want to turn down the music a little next time, but still an excellently made guide. I've been neglecting Billy because of how many EXP Logs I need for everyone else, but he is still one of my favorite characters, kit and design wise.
Yeah agreed it's a terrible mix b/c I did some last minute volume changes without vetting it :p. Should be accurate Close Captions for anyone who wants the information.
@@victim130 yeah I fully invested into corin as well though I love her was going to invest in Billy as well because Billy seems so fun but Jane is coming out so I might have him as a third instead
@@victim130I have her M6W5, so YMMV. Try this out: use her as an on-field unit and dodge-counter every single attack. Always extend by tapping or holding. You will stagger/interrupt, build daze, and stack assault while having i-frames the entire time. I think a mistake people are making with her is not valuing her i-frames, reading the damage to stunned units passive, and stating on YT etc "Corin cannot remain on field outside burst windows". Corin is a channeling character that is unique in the fact that, afaik, she has the longest i-frame windows in the game with no energy requirements and the ability to choose how long the i-frames last. Certainly for a DPS. I don't have Ellen so maybe she can compete on some level. Also, I would strongly recommend playing Corin on Manual mode and never button mashing.
Hey there! As a fellow Billy main, I thank you for the video, it’s exactly the sort of content I’ve been waiting for from this community! I’ve been starting to finally look into damage formulas and optimising my damage gains for Billy, and you summing up the research into a single video is a godsend. On this topic, was wondering how well would the R5 Camelia Golden Week W-Engine work for Billy, considering it’s the most F2P option so far in terms of investment? I know that a majority of its effect works only for EX Special Attacks, but would then perhaps building for Energy Gen. be a worthwhile investment? Maybe would it be too much of a detriment to Billy’s ability to build for massive Ult. damage? I’d love to hear your and the other viewers’ thoughts on the topic.
Don't be discouraged trying to chase optimal! The team you provided is better than most b/c it procs his team passive and passes a decent support buff to him. The only reason I avoid it is b/c I feel like both Piper and Billy challenge each others field times, and to maximize your Assault Damage you either have to not on-field Billy or build Anomaly Proficiency on him which hurts his Ult damage.
Wow nice clip! I love Billy and want to run one account as full non wish except standard and Billy will be one of the teams! Thanks for your input! That I got soldiers weapon is a sign I think. 😂
Now that ceasar exists and is a great teammate for billy, I wonder if 4pc fanged metal is the play. Swapping between billy and ceasar, while using cesar to stun/parry I build up assaults pretty often around every 20-25 seconds. Especially since w caesar, u usually defensive assist into her and then use her until u stun, then swap back to billy. In this case, u don't need to have to build up the stacks for woodpecker. I imagine this is even more powerful w the revolver bangboo, so in stun situations u can swap into revolver to guarantee the assault proc
Thanks for the video I main Billy and just realize woodpecker was better for my Billy since Assault wasnt triggered that often. I got unlucky with the Billy pulls and have him at cinema 5 but still he usually is able to wipe the floor in almost every mission. Right now I´m just farming discs to buff crit rate a bit more (currently 35%) And push the damage as high as I can with some crit damage and flat attack,
I haven’t looked at her kit but there are a good amount of Caesar believers in the community. We just did a quick calc last night that showed Lucy’s 600 ATK buff is fairly equal to Rina’s 30% PEN buff. If Caesar gives a 1000 ATK buff with low field time requirements, then she definitely could pull ahead as his best support. Also frees Billy up to use any Stunner so BILLY, QINGYI, CAESAR could have an insane burst window.
Question, I recall getting told or reading a comment that confidently stated that Billy's sig was a "DMG% vuln up", so it applied by itself as a multiplier that no other effect has been explicitly defined. However, according to the damage calc doc floating around on the internet, no agents whatsoever possess any Vulnerability or DMG taken% increase, so I have the gut feeling that that commenter was talking BS. How can we verify this? According to your vid, Starlight Engine Replica's effect is just a plain old character DMG% increase, which just doesn't show up at all anywhere, and is invisible. 5:10 I believe the more appropriate word you're looking for is "Def Shred stack with *diminishing returns*"
There's very little chance that his sig is vulnerability. Vulnerability is a very rare multiplicative factor that basically mainly exists as weaknesses on enemy types (for example, human-type characters have 20% PHYS VULN). If Replica's passive was calced as vulnerability, it actually would shoot up past Brimestone as Billy's best weapon.
Why don't we include combat attack from Woodpecker 4pc in the build-around calculations? The DMG% buffs don't take effect until we're in combat, so why are we matching PRE-combat ATK with IN-combat DMG%?
I pledged my mortal soul to Billy after getting his M6 in Qingyi's banner, and Steel Cushion off the standard, but sadly I'm a bit lacking in optimal team options. Qingyi and Nicole are taken by Zhu Yuan, and I don't have Rina. So I have to either run him with Lycaon + Soukaku and lose his sick 100% Ultimate DMG% core passive, or run him with Anby + Lucy and lose on easier stunning and Stun Mult%; I am building M4 Corin on the side just cause she can trigger Core with Lycaon and I can share Billy's build with her. But I LOVE Billy's playstyle better than Corin's...
hmmm thankyou for the tip, i kight build billy because i lack og Physical dps and my pick is either corrin or Bill, but i want preffer billy honestly since Billy at M6 my corin only M4. but need juggle that Starlight between Ellen or Billy then, while the event engine really good on Corin actually so man need pick here
Wait based on what i see so far isnt billy with jane doe weapon kinda crazy? He can probably usee fanged metal as well since he has 40% more anomaly buildup
would caesar be an upcoming preferred support for billy as well? since billy/caesar/lucy would be a comp that can have both good on field and off field damage. also saw some people using ZY sig on other units. but the dmg% bonus doesnt work if the equipper itself doesnt trigger the ether dmg correct?
I think it will depend on Caesar team comp abbility to trigger. Like if sshe can only trigger with Calaedon Sons team or only fire. But apparently Caesar got a little buff from her abillities and now the version that will come out will buff greatly any member of the team who wears the Caesar shield so I think it will be a sort of universal character like Quinyi that fits well in almost every team do to his affinity to pair up with any attacker member
I wasted materials building him for a team 2. I had nekomiya as my main dmg dealer for team 1 but as soon as Qingyi came, Qingyi was the dps on Billy's team 😂 Because now I had Rina to build as well. So much materials and I got Jane and Seth now so Billy is benched
I want to so in a hypothetical future where I am using billy with a hypothetical character that gives 1000 attack buff and brimstone wengine, what main stats should I look for on disc drive 5 and 6?
Ok so i don't have Yuan or Ellen and I'm planning to push Billy to level 60 when I reach IK 50. My Billy is M6R5 his Team is M1R1 Qingyi and Nicole M2R3 so no Crit Buff from Nicole M6 but all of them have their Sig weapon. I have him at Level 50 rn on Woodpeeker/Harmone Punk 51% Crit / 122% Crit Dmg / 2664 Atk% and Pen 24% because I'm using Slot 5 Pen but with what you said i should put a Slot 5 Atk% because Qingyi and Nicole reduce Def and Pen doesn't do anything with for him with this Team right? Should I tryhard to get more Crit on him? I dont have the mats to get a S-Rang W-engine atm so that would be no option for me sadly. Anything else?
Hi, i have a question about billy. At this point in time Caesar's shield increases atk by 1000 which from what people are saying is a lot. Would it still be recommended to go for atk% on disc 5 in that situation or would he get more benefits from dmg%? If it helps i'm considering R5 Starlight replica.
May I ask how The Bromstone and others are better than Starlight Engine Replica? I thought the 57.5% Physical DMG would be massive compared to 28% ATK from The Brimstone?
The replica requires you to be 6 meter away to get the bonus, while his 3rd mindspace give him crit bonus if he's close to the enemy, so the two really doesn't do well together as they go against the bonus of the other, and can't compliment eachother
@@octo1129 that not true requires you to be 6 meters within in distance so they do go together. 6 meters is for both his weapon and his passive. 6 meters = 2 floor tiles in VR room.
For Billy, it's almost definitely Brimstone (unless you plan on exclusively using him in stun situations where you can reliably get behind the boss and proc steel cushion).
He's the worst at C0 (zero mindscape cinemas), but at C6, he melts through most enemies and bosses. The thing is, most people don't have much reason to invest in him when a C0 Zhu Yuan doesn't perform much worse than Billy at C6. Call it S-rank privelege, but that's just how it is.
Some Additional Weapon Calcs:
* R1 Riot Supressor should be in the same tier as Steel Cushion. It's ~5% weaker when Steel Cushions passive is active and slightly stronger when Steel Cushion's passive is inactive.
* R5 Cannon Rotor is on the same tier as R5 Starlight Engine (again Starlight's damage is
How does Ellen/Zhuyuan's signature compare to these options
I wasn’t even going to build Billy but the tip about getting attack and damage ratio as close as 1:1 is extremely helpful. It is something I never considered when building my characters.
Great guide, not just for Billy but the principles are also applicable to maximizing damage for team comps, including which disks to build for supports so as not to saturate one damage multiplier.
Visualising the damage in shape of cube is really genius way to explain it!! I feel enlightened and more clear on how to properly build my dps now. This video is very cool 👍😊
You might want to turn down the music a little next time, but still an excellently made guide. I've been neglecting Billy because of how many EXP Logs I need for everyone else, but he is still one of my favorite characters, kit and design wise.
Yeah agreed it's a terrible mix b/c I did some last minute volume changes without vetting it :p. Should be accurate Close Captions for anyone who wants the information.
Lifesaver guide. Thank you for your work! I have no interest in current limited character so I'm working on building billy, he's really fun
I got that Billy envy, regretting building Corin every day. Great guide man, keep it up.
Whats wrong with corin?
@@DarkZommyGF Hyper invested in, still can't S rank all of Shiyu Critical. Great character, just too burst focused.
@@victim130 yeah I fully invested into corin as well though I love her was going to invest in Billy as well because Billy seems so fun but Jane is coming out so I might have him as a third instead
@@victim130I have her M6W5, so YMMV. Try this out: use her as an on-field unit and dodge-counter every single attack. Always extend by tapping or holding. You will stagger/interrupt, build daze, and stack assault while having i-frames the entire time.
I think a mistake people are making with her is not valuing her i-frames, reading the damage to stunned units passive, and stating on YT etc "Corin cannot remain on field outside burst windows".
Corin is a channeling character that is unique in the fact that, afaik, she has the longest i-frame windows in the game with no energy requirements and the ability to choose how long the i-frames last. Certainly for a DPS. I don't have Ellen so maybe she can compete on some level.
Also, I would strongly recommend playing Corin on Manual mode and never button mashing.
Hey there! As a fellow Billy main, I thank you for the video, it’s exactly the sort of content I’ve been waiting for from this community! I’ve been starting to finally look into damage formulas and optimising my damage gains for Billy, and you summing up the research into a single video is a godsend.
On this topic, was wondering how well would the R5 Camelia Golden Week W-Engine work for Billy, considering it’s the most F2P option so far in terms of investment? I know that a majority of its effect works only for EX Special Attacks, but would then perhaps building for Energy Gen. be a worthwhile investment? Maybe would it be too much of a detriment to Billy’s ability to build for massive Ult. damage? I’d love to hear your and the other viewers’ thoughts on the topic.
Great information. I was trying to run a piper, lucy, billy team where my main focus was using billy. It's great to learn that's not optimal 😢
Don't be discouraged trying to chase optimal! The team you provided is better than most b/c it procs his team passive and passes a decent support buff to him. The only reason I avoid it is b/c I feel like both Piper and Billy challenge each others field times, and to maximize your Assault Damage you either have to not on-field Billy or build Anomaly Proficiency on him which hurts his Ult damage.
I have my Billy MC6 with 5* Replica Maxed so the artifacts and team comp do help in this video. Thank you!
this really change my view how to build dps, not just billy!!! ty u
great guide!!
Wow nice clip! I love Billy and want to run one account as full non wish except standard and Billy will be one of the teams! Thanks for your input!
That I got soldiers weapon is a sign I think. 😂
Now that ceasar exists and is a great teammate for billy, I wonder if 4pc fanged metal is the play. Swapping between billy and ceasar, while using cesar to stun/parry I build up assaults pretty often around every 20-25 seconds. Especially since w caesar, u usually defensive assist into her and then use her until u stun, then swap back to billy. In this case, u don't need to have to build up the stacks for woodpecker. I imagine this is even more powerful w the revolver bangboo, so in stun situations u can swap into revolver to guarantee the assault proc
You'd only have 50% uptime if you get assualt every 24 seconds
Thanks for the video I main Billy and just realize woodpecker was better for my Billy since Assault wasnt triggered that often. I got unlucky with the Billy pulls and have him at cinema 5 but still he usually is able to wipe the floor in almost every mission. Right now I´m just farming discs to buff crit rate a bit more (currently 35%) And push the damage as high as I can with some crit damage and flat attack,
My billy does 100k damage only from his E, this guide is insane
This video is loaded with helpful information. Can you do a minmax for every character? 😜
Is Caesar gonna be Billy's best teammate? 1000ATK+Shield
I haven’t looked at her kit but there are a good amount of Caesar believers in the community. We just did a quick calc last night that showed Lucy’s 600 ATK buff is fairly equal to Rina’s 30% PEN buff. If Caesar gives a 1000 ATK buff with low field time requirements, then she definitely could pull ahead as his best support. Also frees Billy up to use any Stunner so BILLY, QINGYI, CAESAR could have an insane burst window.
@@jason_thai Caesar also has a ton of daze %, depending on how good it is you could run caesar + support and giga buff billy
Definitely. Either caeser qingyi or caeser lucy.
I hope Caesar makes him stronger
Question, I recall getting told or reading a comment that confidently stated that Billy's sig was a "DMG% vuln up", so it applied by itself as a multiplier that no other effect has been explicitly defined. However, according to the damage calc doc floating around on the internet, no agents whatsoever possess any Vulnerability or DMG taken% increase, so I have the gut feeling that that commenter was talking BS. How can we verify this? According to your vid, Starlight Engine Replica's effect is just a plain old character DMG% increase, which just doesn't show up at all anywhere, and is invisible.
5:10 I believe the more appropriate word you're looking for is "Def Shred stack with *diminishing returns*"
There's very little chance that his sig is vulnerability. Vulnerability is a very rare multiplicative factor that basically mainly exists as weaknesses on enemy types (for example, human-type characters have 20% PHYS VULN). If Replica's passive was calced as vulnerability, it actually would shoot up past Brimestone as Billy's best weapon.
No way, it clearly says "increases equipper's phys%"
Why don't we include combat attack from Woodpecker 4pc in the build-around calculations? The DMG% buffs don't take effect until we're in combat, so why are we matching PRE-combat ATK with IN-combat DMG%?
I pledged my mortal soul to Billy after getting his M6 in Qingyi's banner, and Steel Cushion off the standard, but sadly I'm a bit lacking in optimal team options. Qingyi and Nicole are taken by Zhu Yuan, and I don't have Rina. So I have to either run him with Lycaon + Soukaku and lose his sick 100% Ultimate DMG% core passive, or run him with Anby + Lucy and lose on easier stunning and Stun Mult%;
I am building M4 Corin on the side just cause she can trigger Core with Lycaon and I can share Billy's build with her. But I LOVE Billy's playstyle better than Corin's...
Can you summarize the damage calculator you talked about at the end of the video? I dont have access to discord, unfortunately.
hmmm thankyou for the tip, i kight build billy because i lack og Physical dps and my pick is either corrin or Bill, but i want preffer billy honestly since Billy at M6 my corin only M4. but need juggle that Starlight between Ellen or Billy then, while the event engine really good on Corin actually so man need pick here
What’s the difference between attack% and damage %?
Have there been calcs done with the new event engine and/or BP one?
Wait based on what i see so far isnt billy with jane doe weapon kinda crazy? He can probably usee fanged metal as well since he has 40% more anomaly buildup
Where is the Billy Main's Discord??
Awesome
would caesar be an upcoming preferred support for billy as well?
since billy/caesar/lucy would be a comp that can have both good on field and off field damage.
also saw some people using ZY sig on other units. but the dmg% bonus doesnt work if the equipper itself doesnt trigger the ether dmg correct?
I think it will depend on Caesar team comp abbility to trigger. Like if sshe can only trigger with Calaedon Sons team or only fire. But apparently Caesar got a little buff from her abillities and now the version that will come out will buff greatly any member of the team who wears the Caesar shield so I think it will be a sort of universal character like Quinyi that fits well in almost every team do to his affinity to pair up with any attacker member
I wasted materials building him for a team 2. I had nekomiya as my main dmg dealer for team 1 but as soon as Qingyi came, Qingyi was the dps on Billy's team 😂
Because now I had Rina to build as well. So much materials and I got Jane and Seth now so Billy is benched
I'm assuming this formula applies to every character?
Nice video but the music is kinda quiet
I want to so in a hypothetical future where I am using billy with a hypothetical character that gives 1000 attack buff and brimstone wengine, what main stats should I look for on disc drive 5 and 6?
How can i get in the billy mains discord
Mine is 77 dmg % and 69% It's not that big of a difference but should I still go hormone punk 2pcs
Really useful and interesting video. Maybe turn down the background music just a tiny bit next time?
Is there a discord for each specific character?
Ok so i don't have Yuan or Ellen and I'm planning to push Billy to level 60 when I reach IK 50. My Billy is M6R5 his Team is M1R1 Qingyi and Nicole M2R3 so no Crit Buff from Nicole M6 but all of them have their Sig weapon. I have him at Level 50 rn on Woodpeeker/Harmone Punk 51% Crit / 122% Crit Dmg / 2664 Atk% and Pen 24% because I'm using Slot 5 Pen but with what you said i should put a Slot 5 Atk% because Qingyi and Nicole reduce Def and Pen doesn't do anything with for him with this Team right? Should I tryhard to get more Crit on him? I dont have the mats to get a S-Rang W-engine atm so that would be no option for me sadly. Anything else?
my team is corin anby and billy
Hi, i have a question about billy.
At this point in time Caesar's shield increases atk by 1000 which from what people are saying is a lot.
Would it still be recommended to go for atk% on disc 5 in that situation or would he get more benefits from dmg%?
If it helps i'm considering R5 Starlight replica.
May I ask how The Bromstone and others are better than Starlight Engine Replica?
I thought the 57.5% Physical DMG would be massive compared to 28% ATK from The Brimstone?
The replica requires you to be 6 meter away to get the bonus, while his 3rd mindspace give him crit bonus if he's close to the enemy, so the two really doesn't do well together as they go against the bonus of the other, and can't compliment eachother
@@octo1129 that not true requires you to be 6 meters within in distance so they do go together. 6 meters is for both his weapon and his passive. 6 meters = 2 floor tiles in VR room.
Pretty good video as I'm considering building Billy, but the music is too high for your quiet voice.
Hi, if I decide to R5 a weapon on the long run, which would be better?
Brimstone or Steel Cushion?
For Billy, it's almost definitely Brimstone (unless you plan on exclusively using him in stun situations where you can reliably get behind the boss and proc steel cushion).
Is there a link to a billy mains discord? Can i join?
I believe this link should work: discord.gg/YMC79vwUCk.
How do i figure out if my atk% is higher or lower than my dmg%?
I keep having to remember what artifacts and constellations are in videos like this. Not everyone speaks Genshin, y'know.
I still can’t believe he’s the worst character in the game. My disappointment is immeasurable.
He's the worst at C0 (zero mindscape cinemas), but at C6, he melts through most enemies and bosses. The thing is, most people don't have much reason to invest in him when a C0 Zhu Yuan doesn't perform much worse than Billy at C6. Call it S-rank privelege, but that's just how it is.