How Long Will My Timing Chain Last, Ford Mondeo Mk5 2L dIesel
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- My thought on the life expectancy of the ford mondeo mk5 2l diesel timing chain and a rough guide to how much the parts will cost to do the job.
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One of the best weeks so far,so many useful videos uploaded 😍
Always great watching and listening to your clips. I learn heaps. Thank you for sharing
Hi Alan really glad it started for you and well done for all your hard work as always
Thanks 👍ben
As someone who does privately own a Mk5 mondeo, vids like this put my mind at ease on their reliability and repairability.
They are great cars if they are looked after and maintain mate👍
The Peugeot 2.0 HDi engines fitted into these Fords are excellent. Quite probably the most reliable modern diesel engines.
If its a Cambelt then why is there a chain aswell?
Good professional job as usual,well done Allan
Another brilliant video again as always and once again well done for all your hard work
Thank you so much 😀mr ben
Love your vids gives me confidence to tackle these jobs myself doing the timing belt on my Mondeo vignale 180 it's done 151k so needs doing just hope it's the same engine as in your vids. Good on ya Mt I've done a good few jobs of the back of your instructions. Top job 👌👏😎
Great job Alan on the timing chain replacement.
Great work Alan, always look forward to the miss Monika sketches.
Glad to know it all ended up " ok" in the end, should be good for another 270,000, suppose its an idea to change the tensioner before its knackered.
My God. Another one. Cheers Alan. Regards from Poland.
Great information Alan, Cheers mate.
Great video .Ford had my 2.0 mk5 tdci 15 reg in for recall on the rack .Car went in on the 25 th feb and i got it back 28 july as parts couldnt be got from germany .....A week later it chewed the chain .270000 km
I did one the other day total job £2500 parts and labour, think it took me like 6/7 hours. Apparently the water pump went at 65k miles so a garage replaced it, within 10k miles the belt stripped the teeth and hit all the rockers, didn’t take a chance on anything, new cams, chain & tensioner, 16 new rockers we did the whole lot because you just don’t know plus if you had to pull it apart my company will be losing money!
But on further inspection looks like the engine has been opened up bottom end and top so I think they didn’t time up the fuel pump properly which cause the belt to strip maybe I’m wrong but that’s my guess!
Love these videos helps me out a lot !
Alan i drove a 1992 Metrocab bought from new with the 2.5 ford transit engine in it the owner changed the oil every 3,000 miles only problem was a dropped valve once and the inlet manifold used to need stripping every 50,000 miles due to narrowing with cement like soot we were going for million miles 950,000 till it gave up great old taxi your info on how to fix cars is great keep on going with them mate
That car must have had 300+ oil changes. Fantastic.
Nice Job Alan, you could tell it was good the moment you revved it, the response was perfect.
On a side note, how difficult is it to drop the sump on those in situ ? On my mk4 1.6, I reckon the worse case would be to lower the exhaust for clearance but other than that, it looks like it should come straight down and would be easy enough to be able to check the pan for damage.
Nice video Alan. And you see alot of hate online for Peugeot HDI engines, just shows when looked after, they will do rocket ship miles.
Hiya Alan when you said how meany miles the car had I nearly fell of my chair. But as always Alan if anyone can fix a mondao it’s you love your videos m8 keep them coming 💪👍
Good job Alan, thats pretty good mileage without any major issues to be fair:):)
Very true, cheers pat
Great work again 👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers dennis
Another great video Alan my focus ST D has just topped the 40k mark. Just changed fuel and air filters. Gonna do oil like next week or so. Done 8k on it so far.i guess you could take cap off and feel for slack in chain!?!?
I won't have my focus by that mileage!
How were he injectors to get out!?
We have a pug boxer van with the DW10 in long story sort it caught fire dealers wouldn't warrant it we replaced wiring loom it didn't run correctly auto spark diagnosed injector 2 failure. It was outside in element's and the injector was completey siezed it broke off and nozzle in head. It's a head off job at best. Fortunately I aint doing it! You had that before? Also we have had a few 1.6 and 1.5 PSA lumps trashed by failed water pumps. You had that on these 2.0s??
Had it where they hit the valves but only damage the rockers & the lobes spin on the camshafts
still love my mk4 titanium x sport 2.0 diesel despite me getting rid of the emission controlling devices and putting a straight through stainless steel exhaust on but i do like the mk5 st line mondeo im still wondering about the 2.0 ecoblue engine
19:18 - Alan, you underestimate us. My Pug 2.0 HDi is just about to get it's cambelt done... at 200k. Private cars do get to 200k easily ;-)
Thankyou Alan 👍
Thank you Alan, hope the effort is worth it for you! I have a neighbor who bought one of this MK5 2.0 TDCi from the army and he is not sure, that the shown milage (100.000 km) is the driven one ... these 100.000 km so often missed by the big diesel all over the world .. the driver seat was soggy (? .. soft) and was changed first. Do you have an idea how to find out more? Thank you
Same sh** like any PSA dv6, service retail doesnt sell stretching bolts without the entire camshaft bearing cover so you have search your own replacement bolts, seal properly the intake, injector seal kit, camshaft oil seal, vacuum pump gasket, top cover gasket which comes entirely with the cover including the PCV, sometimes you have to replace high pressure injector pipes too because it has only 4 or 6 times use if not leaks...
There is two ways to do these engines: fast and leaky or properly with the empty pocket afterwards
Hi Alan! Great Job done by you! I got MK5 2.0))))145000miles. so if i will replace NOW my tension , it`s will give extra life for chain?
Great content👍👍👍👍👍😃😃 now what do you think about the mk4 petrol 5 cylinder mondeo???
Hi Alan this is about something related to mk5 and mk4. My 2013 Mk4 reverse lights were stuck on when I returned to the car park last Tuesday 8 February. Since then, according to 2 TH-cam videos I have watched there is a good chance it has been caused by water ingress from the washer pump. This resulting in capillary action of water into the CEM. Thus corroding the terminals associated with the said lamps. My query is have you seen this on the Mk 5 mondeo? Any way, my solution will be to by pass the wires from pump to CEM. Use a hair dryer to dry the CEM. Use Bosnic. To seal a new pump around the contact area. Diamond clean the CEM plug contacts and hopefully it will work?
Alan/ good video 😀 When i do an oil change I've started tipping 1/2 litre of clean oil into the engine with the sump plug out. It works a treat at getting the any sludge out the sump and engine I find even with a high mileage 406 hdi diesel. When u fill the engine back up the oil on the dipstick is clean even after running for a while!
Nice tip! I was thinking of adding some diesel and running it for a couple of minutes, the old workshop boys says it works a treat for a super clean dipstick.
Have you ever seen a problem with these engines with excessive end float in exhaust cam, had 1 in 39k miles was intermittently putting the cam sensor out of range. Where the thrust shim is there was a huge wear line, if so have you found what causes this
Do you ever fancy playing about with older stuff, like MGBs and Spitfires?Looking to do a short engine rebuild, Waterbeach/Ely way.
Mate I love these videos 😂
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Hi Alan why dont you have a recon engine and change every so many miles and overhaul the one you take out and then you always keep the taxi on the road
and if you have a car down within a couple of days you have a car back working
Hi Alan I had a 2002 vauxhall astra 2.0dti which had a chain driven engine I used to change the oil and filter every 4-6 months 😀
What are you a taxi driver? how many miles you been doing 🤔
@@barrymichaels2663 no was my personal car I used too be a mechanic
@@robertmustard1711Them chain driven engines can last a long time lifetime of the vehicle like you say nice fresh lubrication for the engine👌
Cheers Alan!
The importance of keeping the oil changed. If that had not been done, then it would have been in a far worse state. The inside of that lump otherwise looked good. BMW had terrible problems with the chain the 2.0 N47 diesel lump. VW also had problems in their engines with their chains as well due to old worn out kit being used to stamp out the chain parts and them snapping. For the piece of mind, I think I'll if nothing else change the tensioner at 200K miles as it seems that is the weak point rather than the chain itself.
Another super video from the Mondeo Master superb!
Happy New year Alan 🎉. My mk5 ticks when it's cold sounds awful is that normal??
Good job Alan, with the price of all them parts and that,would a new engine be a better bet
In a previous video he priced up a new engine, I believe it was around the £6k mark...so went second hand, but that still cost 3k
Is this a MK5 and/or engine series issue or does it apply to older units as well? Very little info to find online other than (for the MK4 2.0 at least) it should last "for life"
My MK 4 Galaxy, recently the timing belt tensioner snapped off, cracked all 16 rockets. £2500 bill 🤢 now it’s got Powershift issues
I remember when the Duratec V6 first came out Ford started the chain was designed to last the life of the engine.....100K!! What's the logic with using a belt and chain? Also, do Ford state a service interval for the chain? The nylon part (in the tensioner) obviously won't last forever so at the very least they should stipulate a change of the tensioner @ X miles.
I bought the new 2021 Mondeo, and the recommended oil change is 30,000km which I think is insane. What is your opinion lad?
why not drop the oil pan to check for metal chunks?
Hallo Alan, thank you for your perfect videos. I am from austria and always interested in them! That explained to me why my first engine broke!!!! Now only one question: which brand of oil would you recoemend? I use castrol magnatec start stop. Is there a better brand for oils, what is your opinion??? Thanks a lot
It's a Pug engine, I use Total Ineo ECS 5w30 as that's what Peugeot recommends. I've never been fond of Castrol. Rather than simply brand, it's more about changing it on time, as he says, about 10k!
@@khalidacosta7133 Really, i thaught, that only 0W30 is allowed for this engine... I made my experience with this engine, when only after 4 Month after buyng it used, the timingbelt broke. so I changed it with an angine baught from ebay uk. It was the best buy of my life! Now i have 50k km on it and still going with castrol!
@@gheorghefrunza1882 as mileage increases using thicker oil can help. I had an old Zafira which had 155k on it, it was supposed to use 5w30 but I used 5w40 petronas oil as it helped with the higher temperatures
nice job
Great video as always 👍
I was wondering I you know if the mk4 2.2 diesel engine in almost the same as the 2.0? As I can't find a work manual anywhere for the 2.2.....
Transit engine
Hi Alan . long time subscriber and just about to make the plunge in the Mondeo world . 2015 with 140000 miles what should i look for and what about the timing chain issues at this milage
Alan would you recommend changing the tensioner and at what mileage
For £50 I would let it run then do another oil change from your comment about metallic particles in the journals. Bit noisy but what do you expect from a car with that amount of milage!!
hi Alan I have a Ford Edge with 2ltr Diesel engine would you no what engine they have being built in the USA for uk market I'm not sure if they are a ford USA built Diesel engine or are they the same they fit to the mondo galaxy the Peugeot diesel and where would I need to look on it to find a build name i.e ford Peugeot or other thanks
Literally isn’t the copper the weak link?
What link did the previous one snap on
Alan, your videos are entertaining. Completely of topic, what causes diesel to drain back once left a day without starting ?
i have had diesel fuel run back over night and cause bad or non starting on the mk4 2l mondeos...that was the fuel injector leak off pipes which were sucking in air due to faulty worn seals..new set of leak off pipes and problem cured..it all depends what car you have
@@alan4x hi Alan on this topic, would you get a pool of diesel at base of injectors with bad leak off pipes, i have pool of diesel round base of injectors and hard start after left overnight ? thanks for all your work with these mondeos
a friend of mine owns a mk4 2,0 it has 500 000 km on the clock,, but changed engine at 400 000 km :)
Why did he change the engine?
What is engine similar to that without any issues with chain or tensioner? Sorry i don't understand. 😔
Interesting job again, and 260000+ mileage, amazing really. Question: are most Ford 2.0ltr Tdi engines this reliable? I know you mentioned the 14 plates mondeo are also good, what about throughout the range, focus/kuga etc.
It’s a Peugeot 2.0 HDI engine in these
@@ciaranm8772 yea, I'm well aware of that, quite common for years now that engines are shared.
got the same engine in my kuga as this mondeo i think.
Have you got any of these mk5's over 400,000 miles yet Alan?
I have noise tapping I open top cover not find anything 😅
Hi Alan, really appreciate all the information. I have a 2011 Mondeo 2.0lt TDci, 6 speed manual. It's a bit of a struggle getting into first gear at times. I followed your video changing the gear box oil and it helped a bit, especially in the cold... But it's still not great. If I move the gear stick slightly over to 1st, not all the way, it finds the gear every time, but you have to be pretty accurate and doesn't feel natural..Any suggestions or theories please? Thanks again.
Worn sychronisation rings.
it sounds like the gear selector mechanism is worn in the gearbox which can be unbolted and removed without removing the gearbox, if you can find a good used one to try
@@Marbo306 thanks you.
@@alan4x Brilliant! Thanks so much for the reply 👍
@@alan4x if it is worn gear selector, he would not engage first and second gear at all. It will always engage 3rd an 4th gear.
Is there a case for changing the tensioner every 100-150k miles ? It would appear it is the worn out tensioner that initiates chain failure..if I've got the right end of the stick.
the problem is you have to remove the top metal cam cover in order to replace the tensioner in which case you may as well change the chain as well but at the moment it is a lot of work and expense that the company can't really afford at the moment so we take a gamble and just do the ones that are bad
Ford should have used a "silent chain" or "leaf chain" instead of a basic roller chain, like they did on the Duratec HE petrol.
How reliable are Mk5s overall based on private ownership?
How long timing belt will last on 2.0 ecoblue?
the mondeo king
Alan Howatt pls can you assist 2009 galaxy 2.0 my cam belt went & rockers failed I believe my valves are damaged as when replaced rockers and belt it’s pulsing air back and forth in exhaust system also with cams in locked I could rotate crank 360 with no interference of internal parts 😔
Now I have a part that I believe possibly came from the tensioner (the one that goes over the top of the chain) it appears to be a small valve (tubular with ball bearing inside)with a rubber disc on top (like a top hat 🎩 shape) in the rubber is a spiral grove. I think it goes above the spring in the tensioner but am not sure 🤔 Have you seen one before?? Like a check valve! Kind regards Steve.
Probably too late but if you didn't change the camshafts. This is what happens
Does my Mk4 have a chain ?
She’s on 319k at the moment
What's the difference in the tensioner on the 14 plates that don't fail?
Are they still the tensioner that sits between the chain like this one, or are they the older style that just sits on the top of the chain?
Cheers
The mk4 has a different tensioner altogether. It can fail if the engine has had poor oil changes but generally it lasts much longer than on the mk5
Alan would it be good housekeeping to change the tensioner at 200k on the Mk5,would it save £ in the long run.
the problem is you have to remove the top metal cam cover in order to replace the tensioner in which case you may as well change the chain as well but at the moment it is a lot of work and expense that the company can't really afford at the moment so we take a gamble and just do the ones that are bad
This means at Mondeo is a good car.
Change the motor oil at max 15.000 km , and you will have a great car.And the cambelt also when is needed.
what`s the hourly labour rate at your place "crazy al" ?
i have ford focuc st2 2.0 tdci year 2016 cambelt tensioner broke cam timing out how can i set it with out take it a part
i have ford focuc st2 2.0 tdci year 2016 cambelt tensioner broke cam timing out how can i set it with out take it a part
which engine that my focus mk3 has the dw10c engine
Leaking through the Carter sealer
Why don't you renew the belts and tensioner at 150 thou to prevent it snapping
Aye, or (if you want to be really tight) just replace the tensioner (or nylon guide if you can replace it separately) at 200k. From the video, I get the impression chain failure (assuming you're changing the oil regularly and keeping up with all other maintenace items) is due to the nylon guide (forming part of the tensioner) disintegrating, causing metal to metal contact between the chain and tensioner. If you're got some basic tools, are good with your hands, and some time, it’s a job you could do at home.
Hi Alan,is it possible to just replace the tensioner on the chain by removing the plastic rocker cover? I'm guessing probably not as you would have done that yourself?
yes i have tried to just replace the tensioner lol....not a chance
If I contact you thru the grarage is this a job you would take on before it breaks?,now on 202000
@alan4x Do you have to remove the camshafts to change the chain? Or can you release the tension then slip the chain off the sprockets? Do you also have to lock the cams?
Nice job pro No Ford for this one
Don't you ever remove the sump to check for pieces of metal in there as well?
cheers nick
What oil do you use btw, you never said?
In how many km have this happend
Would it make any sense changing the chain, lets say, at 200k miles? Just as a precaution?
yes that would be a very good idea
Little smoke off the engine, was that a tab of spilt oil? Engine sounded pretty good for 267K
yes spilt oil down onto the exhaust manifold, cheers billy
TAHANKIOU ALIN
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Do you change the cam chain around the same time as the cambelt and waterpump as i am getting the belt and pump done soon
i would replace the chain on the second cam belt change at 200k miles
Thanks for the reply alan i am on 87k , hoping to keep the car to about 150 👍
My 2.0 hdi 2015 has 330 k miles same chain
I have just bought a mondeo 16 plate. When do you need the time chain?
around about 200k miles
Hi Alan mondeo 2016 2.0 diesel my brother in law’s it’s just had cam belt and water pump done when does chain need doing too it’s 100k I can see chain in oil filter cap many thanks gary
if you want to be safe then best to replace it at 200k miles
It doesn’t sound like it’s running smoothly after the rebuild
Top info as always pal. #mondeomk5toptechie
Much appreciated chris
what engine is in that
I just want to be clear, so the mk5 has a belt and a change. I thought it was one or the other. Also at what interval should I change mine. It’s 7 years old with 45k on the clock. Low milage but I think it’s 10 years old or x miles.
Belt for the crankshaft/waterpump and exhaust camshaft. Needs replacing every 120k miles. Connection between exhaust camshaft and inlet camshaft is via a chain. Normally you'll never change it, but 270k miles is very acceptable. Just change it before it breaks
Ok what you use to seal cover???
black instant gasket in a tube
Doesn't mk4 have virtually identical setup?
Edit never mind, this is mentioned on the end 🙂
Can the tensioner be changed without stripping everything down Allan ?
hi mark, unfortunately no it can't and i have tried 😑lol
That’s a shame 😂😂
is this engine fitted to this mondeo a Peugeot Manufactured engine and surely before engine failure the engine would be very noisy and if this engine failure was repaired at a ford dealership i amagine it would be a very expensive repair
Hi Alan you doing a nice job mate you and mone are sory funny you are a good filter mate ❤❤🎉😅😅
At what mileage is the chain recommended to be replaced
i have no idea, not sure there is an interval for it
It seems like the plastic chain guides deteriorate and cause timing chain failures...
yes thats it
is it unusual to have a timing chain and belt ? I always thought it was one or the other.
The old 1.8 had a chain from crank to fuel pump and belt from fuel pump to camshaft. The later revised engine had a wet belt instead of the chain at the bottom.
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