We Visit A $1,000,000 Woodworking Shop!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มี.ค. 2022
- When the guys over at Stiles invited us out to see some of their machines in action, we jumped at the chance to tour a multi million dollar woodworking facility and really see how production shops operate! We also stop by local woodshop Dakoda Love, and check out their booming floating shelves business!
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Stefan :''I'm taking big squares and making smaller squares''
John: ''woodwork''
Priceless
This facility walk through is fantastic. Being able to see what is currently out there and seeing it in action. Keep them coming you all are great!!!!
Glad you dig it Russell
It's all terrific stuff operationally. At my age though, I now finally have the privilege of being the adult in the room.
Tread carefully when it comes to the acquisition of equipment like this, as the ratios of initial purchase cost to operational cost are VERY different from what most recreational and maker-level woodworkers are used to. The infrastructure, power, support, maintenance, software licensing, upgrades, tooling, materials, and operational costs all increase along with that gain in efficiency. Just look at everything else that ISN'T a machine in those plants, and figure out what it costs to install and maintain.
And unlike humans, You can't 'layoff' machines, infrastructure, and square feet when all of a sudden there is not enough work available for them. Especially in low-cost credit markets, it is VERY easy to get over-extended. My suggestion is to, in a perfect world, pay all cash or at the very least, do your payback calculations based on having only 40%-50% of the business revenue you think you will have. All of the things these machines make are highly discretionary-income driven products, and their demand disappears immediately at the first economic downturn.
Study 2008 very carefully; when all of these kinds of machines were available on the secondary market at 20¢ on the dollar due to all of the bankruptcies and repossessions. To be clear; I'm not saying don't try to grow, but I AM saying plan carefully, and always consider the downside case in order to protect yourself.
This is just huge advice for all businesses. Don't try and over grow. I did this with my business years ago and it set us back a good 6 years. Overgrowth is often one of the major failures of all businesses. That being said when you have a product that you can cut huge amounts of human hours and errors out of automation is amazing. I work in the tech industry and a script that might take a week to write can save hours each day and send email alerts.
These types of production units are different than my business however I am into metal and wood working as well and love it.
2008 was a interesting time wish I had more funds and not sunk into my business at the time as I could have bought a lot of great gear back then. Starting it in 2007 was interesting. Still around now so at least doing something right!
Seems like John is trying to figure out where to take their business next. Cabinets.... Custom woodworking... Custom metalworking... Sawmill...? Tell us already!!!! 😂
Im just going to keep dragging you along Kari ! hahaha
All of the above because... its John..lol
That's insane - I've done my share of robotics in the medical space, but damn I'm always amazed by the level of robotics and automation that's coming into woodworking. Great to see this, as it makes a HUGE difference on throughput and efficiency.
No way! My home town! 🙌🏼✊🏼
i used to work in a cabinetry shop with some of these machines it was fun and interesting and 100 % agree one of our biggest bottle necks were the edgebanding machine being down or just plain messing up. though i wouldn't fault the machine most issues was lack of proper maintenence and whoever was working on it didn't have enough experience and couldn't trouble shoot the problems
ive worked in a factory that makes office desks/tables.. we had like 1 machine that cut the desks to size, put all the holes in and also did the edgebanding (more like a big cnc machine).. we did have to put on the panels by hand though.. but that thing was fast af... did like a whole desk in about 30 seconds.. also this was like 20 years ago.. so to me these machines look a little weird being so new but also less efficient.. cause u need like 4 machines to do the job the 1 big cnc could do back then (and that machine was not new back then).
This is incredible. Would love to see a part 2 because this felt like it went really fast.
Let's GO! Automation can provide an advantage at many levels and these tools shine with high volume production. Thanks for sharing.
As always, great video. I am a woodworker from Germany. I worked with some of the machines that you showed in this video on a daily base. They are amazing and help a lot with making the live of a cabinet maker easier. It is so important to improve the work system to make work for craftsmen more healthy! Keep it up, you guys are great!
GR baby I live here never knew what they did at stiles!
Fantastic. I was born and raised in Grand Rapids. Hope you had a good time. The factory tour was great.
My work uses almost all of stiles machinery! Love them. Big fan! I’m from Michigan and I’ll be going to that facility for multiple classes coming up to keep our manufacturing facility going.right now we have 2 banding units a sawteq and a drillteq. Love em
Wowers that's definitely a very huge building. Lot of beautiful tools. Wow John and boys I am from Comstock Park Michigan it is a little town just outside of grand rapids. So freaking cool. Can't wait to see more videos soon boys. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friends keep making. Stay squirrely. God bless.
That’s awesome!
I live an hour northwest of Michigan. Good to have you in our state. Love your videos
Hey, I work in GR and recently built some stuff for Stiles. Small world.
Love seeing my home town on channel I watch
Love it John! Always going big and thanks for showing us big. Next time let's see their DC system :)
this was so awesome. Im so entrigued on that yacht fabric wood
My dream home 🤩
Have almost all of these where I work.
lol I love that. Woodworking: Making big squares into smaller squares XD
This is mind-blowing!!! Take that IKEA! Just kidding 😂😂😂 but it is mind blowing, feels like a car manufacturing plant.
Can that super cool material organizing robot, like, reorganize my entire life? That would be great. 🖤
Hey, it's like going to work.
We have most of these machines - and more - at work. Fun times.
John, last year I was watching your channel learning wood working and had a small workshop. today I am watching this video and going like - Oh I have this stuff. especially Sorteq is a very handy system.
Ayyyy the baldy is my older brother!
My favorite Sunday show.
Great content as usual!
Glad Jordan was rocking the Buckeye gear on the trip to that state up north. Go Bucks O-H...
Got a lot of mean looks… guess they don’t know what a winning team looks like
Big love to homag ❤
Welcome to my hometown!
Grand rapids here. Welcome
Awesome video John. Some of these industrial woodworking machines always seemed so mystical to me, like the edge bander. Cool to see you do a video on them.
Yea its like magic, never knew how in depth just banding edges got!
Awesome video man! The walk through and explanation of everything is top notch! Well done sir
Welcome to Grand Rapids! Hope you love our city!
Please come back anytime for a show or a project. We'd love to setup a venue for you to entertain us!
Awesome video!!! Love that stuff!!! CNC is amazing stuff! Thanks.
love seeing all the new content! Like giving you hard time about Pitt, but big fan, lots of talent and entertainment! Keep it up, inspiring!
Grand Rapids love! Thanks for sharing, this was a fantastic perspective as to how the 'big guys' get sh@t done. cheers.
Awesome
Well, nice to see some german machines at work. Cool Trip!!
Very cool!
Woowoooo! I love wooworking!
finally someone caught it hahah
Homag machines are very good (they're German ofc), but pray they don't break.
A CNC spindle repair cost is about $20000, and this is an Eastern European cost.
Hey im from Grand Rapids! I know this place!!!
Ain't this old German (European) System 32? I worked with similar equipment in the late 1980's back in Puerto Rico. The only difference it was a bit less computerized. Still cool!!!
That's like replacing a whole employee.... aww the foreshadowing is real 😂
This is actually pretty fun to watch for me. Because I made an apprenticeship in a carpentry with such machines, but now I'm trying to get back to what you do on a daily basis because for me there's not that craftsmanship anymore.
Thats awesome man thank you!
Very Cool Operation. The end grain fabric is awesome. Some how awesome does not seem like the best word :-)
My hometown! Thanks for giving us a shoutout!
Hey! I know that place. I know what I'm doing at lunch this week.
7:15 This is why I like Jordan. In a million dollar shop and is looking at their casters so they can use it in their shop. What I'd've done.
We got 7 CNC, 1 Nestbase, 2 Panelsaws, 4 edgebanders, 1 Tenoner, 1 Alfendorf and 1 Toweege Glue Line. All from Stiles. Awesome Sales, Tech Support and parts department people. Worth the money. Alot of money. LOL. If your in the marker for this kind of equipment give them call
This is a awesome video…….wow!
Think John is hinting to us his plans for the new work shops. ;)
Just more epic stuff is all hahah
Hey I’m in Grand Rapids. 👋
I worked at a furniture manufacturer for 2.5 years. Not cheap crappy shit. High end solid wood stuff. I was in the breakout department. Ran a chop saw and planner like the first two machines, chain drive rip saws. Assisted on other machines too. The mulit blade rip saw and automated chop saw would blow your mind.
Some days were 8 hours feeding or tailing the planner. Bundle after bundle of rough sawn lumber 4,5,6,8,10 quarter material. We are talking 1000's of board feet a day. (They would get tractor trailer loads or just cherry, or ash, or maple.)
The wood would then go through go through auto chop saw. Input your rough lengths, mark any knots and such on the board, slide the board in, the computer figured out what was best to cut from that piece and it shoots it out the back in separate areas.
I used to live in GR... I'm sorry you had to see that.
I think in belgium all the woodworking shops has al does machines
damn it john. you came p to GR and stop by and say hey?
Grand Rapids holy shit 😂 that’s where I’m from
John you gotta go to the IWF
I use a cut off saw every day. ours isn't as fancy as this one but it feels pretty safe compared to a chop saw
I also love tiger stop
Wait whatttt. I’m literally from Grand Rapids😂 this is fucking sick
Mantap mas 😅
Shoulda done a meet up or something while in michigan. You got some followers here including thing guy
If you set up a sawmill and drying system, that planer would be fantastic for running tabletop ready slabs through. Hire a couple of guys part time to batch them out and sell most slabs to supplement the business expenses.
Ya thats sort of what we're thinking.
I am in.a woodworking class and we use the same cnc
Hey
This is a awesome video…….!
Isn't it fun to go to Wyrmwood in the future??
“The problem with 40 horses is cleaning up the poop”😂😂
Not for a handcrafted wood worker but crazy cool machines for sure 🤷♂️
If u ever visit atlanta we make custom doors with those machines. Give u a tour.
Damn i was in atlanta last week !
@@John_Malecki feel free to reach out anytime.
My mind is blown!!! 60-80 boxes a day with one person 🤯🤯🤯🤯 if my math is correct that’s several average size kitchens 🤯🤯
Had I known you were in GR, I would have offered to buy a beer or two. None for Jordan though.
Little hurt but that’s okay
Oh Jordan I tease. Love all the work. And more likely bourbon
A BAZILLION dollars worth of machinery and Jordan’s eyes light up when he sees the CASTERS!!??
Its the simple things !
I’m a simple man
I personally like what you guys do much better than mass production.
Anyone know how much the cabinets made by these machines cost? Because in my mind if they are producing 60 or 80 a day they should be pretty cheap, no?
Well if you ever bought a cabinet from a big box store then they probably have similar machines in those production shops. But don't worry, we're just checking out cool tools, not changing anything we do
"It looks great..."
"Does it tho?"
😂😂😂
And just like that, my shop seems more inferior than it did 13 minutes ago. Awesome stuff though
M GO BLUE!
A bit of feedback on the videos, I'd get a gimbal for your gopro's. I found myself getting vertigo at some points and I think it would really take your videos to the next level!
What the hell are "Wooworking Robots"??? (thumbnail) I watched the whole video and saw no woowork anywhere!
hahah well i guess its what you consider woodworking, but that CNC set up was batching out parts!
@@John_Malecki Bill was joking about the "wooworking" typo in the video thumbnail title.
@@John_Malecki Maybe it's what Rick Flair would say, seeing all those beastly machines?
It's like Foo fighters....just Woo Working. 🤘👍
No ones back will hurt because there will be no one
That's alot of good machines... I hope you guys don't go that route because I like how you guys work now, with your hands. If you're out there to make it real big like this group, good on ya. I just like projects done by people working hard, not a machine that does it for you.
i think you would be impressed with how much hand work goes into these machines, i will also say though, we dont plan on going fully robotic. We just thought it was cool
@@John_Malecki oh I understand that some robotics is good for a shop. Like the machine that was organizing the wood for projects, but you can't get the real craftsmanship from a machine. Im glad you're not going the full route or robotics
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Kind of funny that you barely scratched the surface of woodworking machines at Stiles. Also, funny how people are saying how many people these machines are replacing, they aren't, just reallocating what those people are working on. If they say it's not woodworking, build stuff with all hand tools and make a living at it. Very tough to do because no one wants to pay for all that labor cost. Let machines do the work and you concentrate of the detail stuff. Quit drooling and get back to work!
Humans will always want more. If they got a boatload of cabinets for 10 bucks, they will just want a boatload of detailed cabinets for 10 bucks the next time.
My home state
Couldn't find the affiliate link in the description to buy this set up. 🤣
Modustrual was at this same facility a while back wasn't he? This facility is amazing. All the toys.
John wearing 2 smart watches won’t increase your productivity by 35-50% 😂
About an hour from my house.
Man, I love y'alls content and really look forward to each video drop, but the Blare Witch camera work and editing on this one made me nauseous. Maybe invest in a steady cam and get your editor to reduce his caffeine consumption? Other than that, keep up the great work! I've really loved following your progress in the new shop.
Nine.. I am 9 of 9
SPLOOOGE!!!
I am not trying to be a negative nancy, this all looks cool, but I can't help but think: "What is the cost, both in time and financially, in maintaining and repairing them?" I'm not doubting that you still get improved productivity, but as someone who has to troubleshoot machines I don't really understand semi-frequently, and has seen my boss pay a guy several thousand dollars to show up and shrug and say "I don't know," these things seem like they not only have a huge barrier to entry, but barrier to maintenance.
The title implies Ric Flair should be involved…I’m calling click bait!
Dammit you're right, i totally forgot to remind the editor hahah , good catch brother
really takes the craftmanship out of woodworking.
First
So I'm going to be honest. I'm getting a bit fed up of shop building videos ect, I want to see you guys building something awesome in videos like we did in your old shop.