Rather dubious giving this a style versus style title given the massive disparity in size and weight of the two competitors. Open push hands competitions have weight categories for good reason. Sure, a smaller person can beat a larger person if they are more skillful, but all else being equal, weight and size confer a significant advantage.
I totally agreed with you, but she clearly wanted to see if what she is training for is working.....and yes me being a tai chi player the weak can overcome the hard.
@@taichipandabat6153 agreed entirely. Always a great learning experience, not to mention very enjoyable, to come up against someone with better skills. I haven't competed for some years but loved big push hands comps back in the day. They're a fantastic way of checking whether what you think you know actually works against someone who honestly wants to get the better of you. This can be very different from theory and philosophy. Funny enough I enjoyed all the matches I lost every bit as much as those I won, just as well as they were the majority. My few medals are more a testament to perseverance than skill. I would strongly recommend anyone who is serious about their tai chi to compete at some point. If not, why not?
I love her face too! And both smile and enjoy the push hands. My Sifu was about the size of yellow shirt participant and I am much shorter than his opponent and we trained and played in this format countless times. I am trained in Chen Family Tai Chi. If I had some time I would do push hands with both of the competitors! It is really nice to see them enjoy the art and apply the energies.
I never understood tuishou competitions... Is it a competition of rooting, deflection, balance? Because sometimes I see them just pushing and pulling vigorously like a sumo competition. This one is more subtle to me, and seems more legit, but still, the height and weight difference seems to be mismatched enough to make a significant contribution, correct me if I'm wrong. Still, good job to both.
Yes, weight and reach certainly do matter. Our choice in the moment, was to either have this specific exhibition match, or do nothing and go home early. After having the match, the choice was to either share this video, or to keep it a secret.
@@ShorelineTaiChi now that I rewatched this, you say she is a "Grand champion" of Chen style. What is she a grand champion of? What event? What competition?
@@jonmanilenio Grand Champion normally means that you took the gold in multiple events in a single year. Events could be hand forms, weapons forms, push hands, sanshou etc. I will let her share any further details at her discretion.
weight difference seems to be mismatched enough to make a significant contribution, .................Yes, but great training for the smaller person. In Tai Chi you must some times lose to advance.
I am grateful that Zoe stepped forward when everyone else sat down. She is quite good actually. Here is video of her other matches: th-cam.com/video/7aHhh5Nlgdg/w-d-xo.html
Anyone who is silly enough to think that current tournament push hands in the West is representative of Taijiquan is giving away the fact that they don't understand Taijiquan. Even in China only a few of the tournaments are considered to have good and representative competitors, In China, though, they will often allow other styles, etc., to compete and some of, for example, the Shuai Jiao competitors will do OK up until the last rounds. Then they tend to get hurt as more "sudden power" is used.
@@ShorelineTaiChi I rest my case. I quit going to and judging in U.S. tournaments in the 1990's because there was no real Taijiquan that I could see. Chinese wushu council members from mainland China agreed with me.
@@ShorelineTaiChi I suppose you're not able to grasp the point, after all. You post a fluff video that purports to show a contest between the Yang style and the Chen style and neither one of you does Taijiquan ... so you think the way to defend what you do is to offer a challenge. I used to waste my time and "push hands" with the winners of push hands tournaments until I simply gave up hope about anyone who does "tournament push hands". Waste of my time, again, even bringing it up. You just go on and do what you do and think what you want.
What’s with all the foot movement in a fixed step competition? At least I assume it’s fixed step. Are there generally accepted formal rules published in English?
@@ShorelineTaiChi thanks, so the part about stepping across the tape, refers to the long tape, not the short tape? You can half step forward and back, seems like a good compromise without going full moving step push hands.
The weight and strength difference (because of gender differences) was too big to get a real style vs style comparison....I think. What are the rules though? How do you score points in these competitions?
She does not seem like a practitioner of genuine Chem tai chi. She violated many principles especially with her posture. You should check out “practical method Chen taiji”, that guy is a legit master of the Chen style.
What you guys doing in America? You can’t do Yang vs Chen by Yang rules. Try Chen rules. When Chen village came to Taiwan they destroyed them. Only one Yang person wasn’t beaten.
In ancient China they named that as Tai Chi Quan, in the Western this is Wrestling. Train this with Greco Roman wrestlers, those would be very interesting videos, and a fine experience for you. I am sorry to say that I did not see any silk reeling there, only use of strength. Regards.
We tested our Taijiquan against collegiate wrestlers just last month, and filmed the entire competition. You can see one of them wearing his Duke Wrestling shirt on the mat. Here is the video. th-cam.com/play/PL8g1RQvliCH5riEizWJtoDbA3pX_byO4O.html As you may already know, less than 1% of Tai Chi instructors have ever done this, or are capable of doing it. Regards.
Chen style damages possibly the knees cause the posture is too low and the strikes from that posture forces too much the ligaments of knees. However, Yang Luchang's Style Tai Chi is soft, centered, does not force that much the ligaments of the knees and not for nothing Yang Luchang was call _The Invencible_
this game is so silly, can't understand why people invented this, oh, actually I can, it's just to put some adrenaline in people that don't wanna fight
It's actually quite fun. And yes, generally we don't want to fight. It can get more rambunctious than this. And you can keep getting better at it as you get older, as it relies more on sensitivity and technique than brute strength.
@@ShorelineTaiChi Why don't Tai Chi guys enter MMA tournaments instead of playing pattycake? Oh wait, I know, because you can't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
Rather dubious giving this a style versus style title given the massive disparity in size and weight of the two competitors. Open push hands competitions have weight categories for good reason. Sure, a smaller person can beat a larger person if they are more skillful, but all else being equal, weight and size confer a significant advantage.
I support weight classes and fair competition.
Thanks for your comment.
I totally agreed with you, but she clearly wanted to see if what she is training for is working.....and yes me being a tai chi player the weak can overcome the hard.
Weight classes?
Clearly you guys fail to understand basic principles.
@@taichipandabat6153 agreed entirely. Always a great learning experience, not to mention very enjoyable, to come up against someone with better skills. I haven't competed for some years but loved big push hands comps back in the day. They're a fantastic way of checking whether what you think you know actually works against someone who honestly wants to get the better of you. This can be very different from theory and philosophy. Funny enough I enjoyed all the matches I lost every bit as much as those I won, just as well as they were the majority. My few medals are more a testament to perseverance than skill. I would strongly recommend anyone who is serious about their tai chi to compete at some point. If not, why not?
@@PeebeesPetclearly this should already be clear from day 1 if you’re the chosen one 😅
I love her face too! And both smile and enjoy the push hands. My Sifu was about the size of yellow shirt participant and I am much shorter than his opponent and we trained and played in this format countless times. I am trained in Chen Family Tai Chi. If I had some time I would do push hands with both of the competitors! It is really nice to see them enjoy the art and apply the energies.
I love her face, just by her expression, you could tell that she was going totally from sensitivity and technique. That takes a LOT of practice.
I never understood tuishou competitions... Is it a competition of rooting, deflection, balance? Because sometimes I see them just pushing and pulling vigorously like a sumo competition. This one is more subtle to me, and seems more legit, but still, the height and weight difference seems to be mismatched enough to make a significant contribution, correct me if I'm wrong. Still, good job to both.
Yes, weight and reach certainly do matter.
Our choice in the moment, was to either have this specific exhibition match, or do nothing and go home early.
After having the match, the choice was to either share this video, or to keep it a secret.
@@ShorelineTaiChi now that I rewatched this, you say she is a "Grand champion" of Chen style. What is she a grand champion of? What event? What competition?
@@jonmanilenio Grand Champion normally means that you took the gold in multiple events in a single year. Events could be hand forms, weapons forms, push hands, sanshou etc. I will let her share any further details at her discretion.
weight difference seems to be mismatched enough to make a significant contribution, .................Yes, but great training for the smaller person. In Tai Chi you must some times lose to advance.
Are you allowed to do the pinch step in this PH rules? Yellow shirt always steps forward...
Shuffle step is allowed here, yes.
@@ShorelineTaiChi Unlucky for the girl, she even didn't realize what happened.
I am grateful that Zoe stepped forward when everyone else sat down. She is quite good actually. Here is video of her other matches:
th-cam.com/video/7aHhh5Nlgdg/w-d-xo.html
@@ShorelineTaiChi Nothing against the girl, she just not doing internally.
Anyone who is silly enough to think that current tournament push hands in the West is representative of Taijiquan is giving away the fact that they don't understand Taijiquan. Even in China only a few of the tournaments are considered to have good and representative competitors, In China, though, they will often allow other styles, etc., to compete and some of, for example, the Shuai Jiao competitors will do OK up until the last rounds. Then they tend to get hurt as more "sudden power" is used.
The next event will be held August 28 in Seattle. Hope to see you there.
@@ShorelineTaiChi I rest my case. I quit going to and judging in U.S. tournaments in the 1990's because there was no real Taijiquan that I could see. Chinese wushu council members from mainland China agreed with me.
If you're unwilling or unable, perhaps your top students can attend in August.
@@ShorelineTaiChi I suppose you're not able to grasp the point, after all. You post a fluff video that purports to show a contest between the Yang style and the Chen style and neither one of you does Taijiquan ... so you think the way to defend what you do is to offer a challenge. I used to waste my time and "push hands" with the winners of push hands tournaments until I simply gave up hope about anyone who does "tournament push hands". Waste of my time, again, even bringing it up. You just go on and do what you do and think what you want.
We're having another local event in September, if that works better for your schedule.
What’s with all the foot movement in a fixed step competition? At least I assume it’s fixed step. Are there generally accepted formal rules published in English?
You can find the rules in the video description.
@@ShorelineTaiChi thanks, so the part about stepping across the tape, refers to the long tape, not the short tape? You can half step forward and back, seems like a good compromise without going full moving step push hands.
Yes, you can step forward and back, but not sideways (at this particular tournament).
Very stable, good display of Yang in action against a tricky and skilled player.
Fantastic watch - good for her for stepping up, I wouldn't want a second match with you 😂 I love the constant spiralling of her arms/hands
She's really good and gave him a hard time!
The weight and strength difference (because of gender differences) was too big to get a real style vs style comparison....I think.
What are the rules though? How do you score points in these competitions?
Rules are in the video description.
@@ShorelineTaiChi ok thanks
Question, can you really use Taijiquan for real
I post real footage from real competitive events. Thanks for your comment.
Chen style relies on power and Yang, on sensitivity, relatively speaking. Also, weight class is for a reason.
Everyone has to start somewhere. My godmother beat me almost all the time and she is very tiny compared to me.
She does not seem like a practitioner of genuine Chem tai chi. She violated many principles especially with her posture. You should check out “practical method Chen taiji”, that guy is a legit master of the Chen style.
Are you that guy who gets tossed around by the Chen master?
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@@ShorelineTaiChi th-cam.com/video/Hww6RNt8pC0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A47dsUt66XkIuAw4
Not me.
@@ShorelineTaiChi 🤜🫷
Which is Yan style? I can't geth.😂
What you guys doing in America? You can’t do Yang vs Chen by Yang rules. Try Chen rules. When Chen village came to Taiwan they destroyed them. Only one Yang person wasn’t beaten.
I believe the head judge at this event is a Chen style practitioner.
In ancient China they named that as Tai Chi Quan, in the Western this is Wrestling. Train this with Greco Roman wrestlers, those would be very interesting videos, and a fine experience for you.
I am sorry to say that I did not see any silk reeling there, only use of strength.
Regards.
Thank you for commenting. If you search the literature for ancient references to Taijiquan, you will find there are none.
We tested our Taijiquan against collegiate wrestlers just last month, and filmed the entire competition. You can see one of them wearing his Duke Wrestling shirt on the mat. Here is the video.
th-cam.com/play/PL8g1RQvliCH5riEizWJtoDbA3pX_byO4O.html
As you may already know, less than 1% of Tai Chi instructors have ever done this, or are capable of doing it. Regards.
@@ShorelineTaiChi Thank you for your answer, I agree that there are just a few Tai Chi instructors that take that kind of risks, my respects for you.
Chen style damages possibly the knees cause the posture is too low and the strikes from that posture forces too much the ligaments of knees. However, Yang Luchang's Style Tai Chi is soft, centered, does not force that much the ligaments of the knees and not for nothing Yang Luchang was call _The Invencible_
онанизм. где броски? где болевые?
I personally would not throw someone under these circumstances.
this game is so silly, can't understand why people invented this, oh, actually I can, it's just to put some adrenaline in people that don't wanna fight
Thanks for your comment. If you count yourself among the brave ones, I hope you will attend next time.
It's actually quite fun. And yes, generally we don't want to fight. It can get more rambunctious than this. And you can keep getting better at it as you get older, as it relies more on sensitivity and technique than brute strength.
@@ShorelineTaiChi Why don't Tai Chi guys enter MMA tournaments instead of playing pattycake? Oh wait, I know, because you can't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
Thanks for your comment. Will you be attending the next event?
More like man vs woman haha 🙏🏻