This is Why They Call It Death Wobble
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- GoPro footage of the front suspension of my 2000 Jeep Cherokee XJ experiencing the dreaded "Death Wobble". I shot this footage to help troubleshoot the root cause. It turned out to be a combination of worn tie rod ends and a wallowed out axle-side track bar mount. New tie rod ends and a custom washer welded to the mount resolved it.
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Update: replaced drag link and tie rod due to worn ends. disconnected track bar at the axle and sure enough, the hole had wallowed out a bit. Replaced the bolt with a larger diameter bolt and added some heavy duty washers. Next trip I'll weld the washers to the bracket.
That or you could fix your caster.
John W. Killinger I have a 2006 Dodge 2500, and I had it, and I replaced all four ball joints, track bar bushing, and both to rod ends, as well as my steering stabilizer, and it went away.
Hey man, I have a Jeep Wrangler X 2008 and it was doing this. Changed everything that it could have possibly been. The last thing I changed was the tires and that worked. It was because on tire was "out of shape" (lack of a better word) and wouldn't stand up on its own. Switched to retread mud tires from Treadwright. That isn't a plug for the company. It just worked out like that.
John W. Killinger maybe you should go through and tighten up every bolt and screw cuz they all got wobbled loose lol
Is the engine susposed to shake like that. Could it be adding to the problem
Sell it to a painter. He can mix the cans on the way to the jobsite.
i see a lot of painters that own these things lol
I thought it would be a chocolate milk commercial...
best comment
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You're very insightful.
Just turn the radio up.
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That's what my dad said
If you can't hear it, it's not there
Would it make your wheel come off currently going thru this wit my impala
@@joshuafonder5346 @Joshua Fonder it can shake dang near anything loose given enough time, be proactive and make sure to do a nut and bolk check every so often for safety & peace of mind
Props to the camera man for risking his life to get that death wobble!
What makes you think someone was behind the camera whilst this was recording?? It’s easy enough to mount a camera....
Yeah IKR! Must be really dedicated to his craft.
@@paganbornspiritbear8249 seriously?
@@scubagravy For real!
@@paganbornspiritbear8249 sarcasm?
No so much a "this is why they call it death wobble" as it is a "this is _what_ death wobble looks like."
Being a certified google mechanic I can diagnose that this vehicle just wants to dance.
You're just trying to shake things up a bit!
😅😅
@@tinbanger66 ya. Prevents the driver from sleeping
I think it needs more blinker fluid
I think it's BMW that has problems with burning excessive amounts of blinker fluid. That's why you don't see BMW drivers use them.
No No... more tire antifreeze
And piston springs
Adrian Moreno clearly he didn’t sing it a bed time story and its angry
Looks like they need a bucket of steam too.
Who else randomly got this suggested to them?
@@labourlawact7826 youtubes new algorithms through recommendation cards. They go deep into your search history and find what you actually sat and watched, and give you actually good recommendations on clips or longer videos to watch.
@@labourlawact7826 oh yeah brotha, no problem. 👍🏽👋
Me and I drive a Chevy lol
But I'm a grease monkey so it's cool
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Seems like a steering damper with a valve that has a similar frequency to other vibrations.
That was my first thought.
It’s the piston return springs they’re going bad and that’s causing the engine to vibrate
It’s the signal fluids !
It's the gas tank fluid violently thrashing about due to extreme turbulence
It shouldnt need a steering damper in the first place
It's supposed to do that once in a while, it knocks the rust off.
this is the funniest fuckin comment ive ever seen lolol
i fucking died
I have a 2000 XJ with this problem. The problem, is not funny. This comment, is friggin hillarious.
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😂😂😂😆😎
My Grandma get death wobbles every time she goes for a walk.
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Oh no
Bring her to the shop
Your grandma needs an oil change and alignment.
I feel bad for that shock absorber, it went through entire sahara desert in 5 secs.
This video is 4 years old but some comments are only an hour old
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@@essence9392 Exactly !
Blew my f****** mind
Maybe all the symptoms came back?
Replace your ashtray gasket and add some blinker fluid, it should fix that.
Demon50 -- yeah what he sed.
Seems legit lol
We all know that neither of those two things exist 😂
And the piston return springs
@@SparlsOfficial
Defiantly true! It’s in the ASE training! ;)
Why we all here on May 13 2021
I was wondering the same thing!
posted may 12 lol
hello man from the future
May 12*
The 13th? It's May 12 rn
I should be asleep right now, but instead I'm reading these comments and laughing.
lmfao relatable
Same
Yeah but have you seen the ridiculously HAWT blonde in your profile pic? I mean DAYUM!
Because you like having fun in bed..
Smoking!
“Hey let’s put 40s on the Jeep stock everything with a Chinese lift kit”
IKR: What could possibly go wrong?😑
Even without that mods, it is known to do this.
Oh my God. The nerve of these people putting 24x14s on stock suspension. You're asking for trouble
@@jonspeidel yup 😂
That slo-mo segment was absolutely stunning. It looked just like the regular speed footage, but slower.
Whatzitmatter
Really?
Whatzitmatter no shit Sherlock
Ornstein the DragonSlayer okay then if you have a good reason I'll kill myself
Individuals with sarcasm and humor detectors win this round, 12 to 2.
haahahaha
I was able to fix this by removing the Jeep and replacing it with a land cruiser from Toyota
Toyota is shit
@@amari5435 😂 you're definitely a jeep owner
@@amari5435 Toyota... far from shit! Building what I would say the most reliable vehicles out there. Just do your research! Which includes asking your local mechanic what car makers he sees the least of... the answer will most likely be Toyota
So you solved this 100 issue by buying a twenty thousand dollar used vehicle that isn’t even in the same league? Seems legit. For the price of your land cruiser you could have built a prerunner Cherokee with a stoker 4.6 or LS swap. Your land cruiser, I’d made after the 90s, through a a check engine light, you’ll be staring at your ABS and VSC lights too. Have fun replacing your timing belt every 100k whether it’s messed up or not. Converters are about 800 each. Heated oxygen sensors fail every other year. They eat brake calipers, they crack radiators, the power steering pumps leak frequently, the manifold gaskets leak as soon as you hit first puddle. Gimme a break. A land rouser is a parking lot princess for soccer moms. What guys use cherokees for you would never destroy your land cruiser trying
@@amari5435 you’re literally the only person I’ve ever heard call Toyota shit.
And that’s how I know you’re an idiot
wth YT starts recommending this after 7 years
so it's not just me getting it reccommended
@@winterhtech That makes 3 of us.
The beauty of death wobble is that it is super easy to fix and you can talk some down on a price very easily. I once got a gorgeous XJ with death wobble. A price of $5000, was being asked. I went over and turned on the engine and checked everything. Everything worked excellently. Then th owner told me to tqk it for a ride but keep it under a certain speed to avoid a small misfire. I took it past the speed and the death rattle kicked in. Then I knew I was going to get it for almost nothing. I took it home for $1000 and put in a 4 inch suspension lift that got rid of all the old junk in the front anyway. I still have that 99 XJ today on 33 inch tyres and with a later added Edelbrock cylinder head that someone gave me free! By the way, of course I kept the legendary stock cylinder head. 2000 was a poor year for the stock AMC 242ci I6 cylinder head.
Do you think it gets faster and more fuel efficient every time it shakes the rust off? Just looking for the positives here.
Ive seen a extra large man running to mcdonalds. looked like he had a death wobble around the mid section
TH-cam said, lets pump your video out 7 years late
yeah
My truck almost killed me today.
Guy on the phone: You gotta make sure the tires are inflated correctly.
Was it a Ford F series pickup?
I saw this happen to a Cherokee driving next to me on the expressway in VA. Looked like it was going over speed bumps at 65mph. I couldn’t believe someone could drive a vehicle that did that.
Driving on 495 /95 with my XJ was a no go, with death wobble
It's shaking because it's cold. Give it a blanket, should fix the issue.
Funny how we all end up here 4 years later at the same time...
Wow mad props to the cameraman....he risked his life...hanging on to the underside of the car
LMAO
Some old guy is gonna read this and take it seriously Haha
A friend had a late 80s or early 90s GMC 2500 4x4 truck that would get into a crazy death wobble. Turns out the upper ball joint on those Dana 60s is forced into a conical seat by a heavy duty coil spring. Over time that spring sags, loses force, and is no longer able to keep the BJ fully seated. The result is the BJ popping in/out of its seat - resulting in loss of positive control of the kingpin angle. The fix? installing a new spring and conical seat. Easy peasy. But boy, when that thing did the death wobble - you thought you were about to die.
See y’all in another 8 years
If I'm not mistaken it was being shot at by a passing A10 Warthog.
You are not mistaken
Damn, I thought one was shooting at my fregging house but it was on the video lol
serpentine, SERPENTINE!
All of a sudden TH-cam thinks it’s logical to recommend this video after 3 years. 2021 is the year hopefully 🙏
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Jesus Christ is Lord ,
Allah is satan
looks like youtube slapped all of us with this sexy video in our recommended. hello fellow 2021 test subjects
Test subject 1000101 affirms your hypothesis 110100100.
You people dont get tired of that stupid fucking comment?
@@chasejordan22 Aww... the baby is grumpy, sounds like she needs more sleep.
Glad you found the solution. Sucks seeing so many get junked over something that could be dealt with
I saw this vid years ago, and now its back in everyone's recommendations. Sign your attendance now for another 5 years.
yeahh nice one i sign it here haha
My Grand Cherokee did this a few times. Very scary feeling. A new Moog track bar and stabilizer fixed it.
Once again, recommendations has brought us together
I remember working on the front end of a Dodge Charger when I used to work at a body shop. Two links were the lower control setup which also were used as the steering components. We had to "burp" the power steering system after replacing some parts of the system, and the front end worked its way to one side. Don't know what made Chrysler think having suspension components also work as steering components was a good idea, especially on a high performance vehicle
Check how engine bouncing on its mounts. This problem is related to resonance in engine - mounts - frame - suspension - wheels dynamic system. At certain speed wheels are gone into resonance with rubber parts and self weights of that system. The engine mounts with different stiffness and suspension dampeners able to shift resonance point to different speed.
They are probably just bad motor mounts... not many 30 yr old vehicles that get driven every day are not covered in oil from multiple leaks...
I thought that the problem was the steer shock absorber. I had it replaced for a better one and the shim ended.
Have you tried turning it off then on again
When your truck does the same thing a skateboard does
“Houston we have a problem”
I had to put a new front end on mine and it fixed the problem. The whole steering wheel and dash shakes like crazy too. Cool video.
Why am I am getting this recommended 4 years later?
Why would you watch a 5 years old movie, listen to a 15 years old record or even read a 50 y.o. book? People, please stop this 'who else got this recommended after blahblah years' stupidity.
@@proxx1988 bruh stfu it’s fun to see who else gets recommended random ass videos just go suck some lemons
@@proxx1988 That dude told you to go suck a lemon. First time i ever heard that one, i like it.
@@5t3v3n12343211 How is it fun after the 100 millionth time?
Why am i now buying a jeep?
Hey mate, is it OK to feature your clip in a my chanel for educational purposes? It will be credited in the description & comments section with your name. Thanks, MM
no
@@kwfo1899 no
@@chrisblockz3337 no
@@kwfo1899 no
@@MadMagyar13 no
Was uploaded on May 2016,
People watching in December 2020.
When the whole world has death wobble.
@@NovemberFoxtrotRC Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle
Yep to a three hour old comment
@@jacksonstandley555 haha
YUP
Judging by the time of the comments, TH-cam sent this through everyones recommendations.
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Keeps you awake and alert, safety feature
Ahead of it's time
Mech: This isn't a moving part
Jeep: Are you sure about that
Why’d everyone get recommended this today, 4 years later???
the comments are just sorted by recent.
This just got recommended to everyone
That's quality chrysler engineering.
My Honda does it.... Then again, it just started doing it at 17 years old 😂
When everything is stock and in good condition that doesn't happen. The track bar controls lateral movement. When they get worn out or if the angle changes due to suspension modifications you end up with this.
Actually, AMC
Today I learned what a Death Wobble, thanks TH-cam suggestions
Axle: "hits bump" HERE WE GO AGAIN
Am I alone in wishing this video had an "after" segment? It's spectacular to see the death wobble in action, thank you for thinking of mounting a GoPro under your car, that was great.
This happened to my brothers 1997 grand Cherokee while I was riding with him. Thought there was an earthquake it was freaking scary
Dealerships be like : that's totally normal
I actually had a guy bring me his vw based dune buggy (not a sand rail, a vw bug with a fiberglass body) because he took it to the vw dealership in Flagstaff AZ for a steering issue. They replaced the king pin bushings (with a hydrolic press) but obviously forgot (or didn't know to) ream the bushings after installing them in the vehicle, but before inserting the pins (german engineering, ensures the two bushings inner holes are perfectly aligned for the pin to move freely with no play) Result was a vehicle that the worlds stongest man could not have turned the steering wheel on, and the dealership told him to just drive it a bit and it will loosen up..... took me 2 days to get them back apart using a huge vice, a 6 ft iron pipe on the vice handle, an 8 ft bar out of the other end of the pipe, and a torch to heat the outside enough to get it to expand enough to move 1/32nd of an inch each try with me jumping up and down on the end of the 8ft bar... happened around 1989.
@@rosebarnes9625 It'll loosen up 👍
@@ShayneHester yeah, sure... the force of the impact of the head on collision will loosen it a touch.... 🤣🤣🤣
If you buy a new 4wd Ford super duty you can get this feature built in from the factory
A big thing with the death wobble was because the steering and live axle setup is excellent for heavy duty applications for trucks and the twisting articulation you can get for off roading but because of that you loose higher speed stability. While yes better materials and structural design make it harder to get the death wobble but it’s all the same it’s a old tech that has its advantages but also disadvantages.... and yes a upgraded steering damper or doubling the damper helps but also have your alignment checked because if the wheels aren’t straight that also increases the chance of the wobble occurring the higher your speed.
It'll make your butt pucker
I fixed that issue with a short throw dipstick
Death wobble comes standard with every Jeep.
I mean it was 2009 model
The car's entire undercarriage for no reason: *"Welp, I guess I'll just go f%&$ myself then."*
@off spec obviously, sherlock. It was part of the joke
@off spec yes
@off spec ur mom
@off spec you must be quite fun at parties
Wobble fluid is low
4 years later, we shall meet again
God bless the poor soul hanging under this Jeep upside down. He lost his life capturing this footage.
Rest In Pieces
✝️👼🏻 Justin Kidenue 1997-2017 ✝️👼🏻
Yes rip the Gerbil capturing this footage for us
Cant wait for a comment saying: yOu ArE sO sTuPiD, hE uSeD a GoPrO
Looks normal to me. At least my memory of driving jeeps. If your knuckles aren’t white it’s not a Jeep
Why would your knuckles be white?
Blm
Sell your Jeep and the wobble goes away 😂😂
I would rather this be called the "shit pants shuffle"
Genius
I agree 100% 🤣👍👍
Had a motorcycle do that once.
Came pretty close to needing new underwear.
Muffler bearings need to be rebuilt. ..gonna be costly. May as well replace the johnson rod tensioner pulleys while we're in there.
Emmerson Bigguns Muffler bearings on these 90s jeeps are always going out. Poor quality control.
blinker fluid most likely should be topped up as well..
I had this happen on my '95 Wrangler - Was insane! Impossible to control. Could not stop it by turning, braking, speeding up or slowing down. Had to come to a complete stop. My buddy was beside me once and said my front tires were bouncing off the ground and my fenders and hood looked like they were going to fly off! Replaced the stock worn out suspension ( Springs & shocks - minor lift kit: 2 1/2") & steering stabilizer. Also both front hubs. Was like a different vehicle after - and I'm still alive!
Loose parts and perfect speed, thru a dip and sets it up. Yep. Sold a lot of steering linkage parts and adjusted alot of front angles in my life.
Seen bad sleeves, bushings and loose rivets or cracked brackets too.
Funny, they always think a steering stabilizer is the magic cure. Nope. Thorough inspection, diagnostic, and putting the rear tires up front with the new linkage and adjustments and your paint shaker becomes a dream.
So the death wobble is when a GoPro shakes real bad. Got it.
it's amazing to me that this is still an issue on modern solid axle vehicles.
Bushings! How do they work!?
@@LazerLord10 Definitely not always bushings that cause it. They only mask the actual problem. Seen it on brand new trucks. It's a geometry issue. If you have correct steering and suspension geometry, your bushings can be shot, and the oscillations won't start.
The first time I experienced death wobble in a Cherokee, I was on a massive overpass with sheer dropoffs to either side.
It was unpleasant
I have a 07 F-250. This problem can kill an inexperienced driver. It used to happen alot on me. I never drive over 60 mph. Ever. I bet many people have died because of this.
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Death wobble, is basically harmonic resonance between a series of worn parts... Many times if you have the balls you can drive through it. As speed increases the harmonics change and the wobble goes away... But I wouldn't advise it.... Lol... Nice video...
Happened to me last night on my 03 Grand Cherokee, hit a small bump on the road and felt like I blew out every tire driving it until I came to a complete stop 😂
Your first issue is Rough Country....
So.. Why *_do_* they call it a death wobble?
Because it can induce a rather violent "wobble" in the vehicle as the suspension rapidly shifts left and right under the vehicle. It can cause the driver to lose control at highway speeds and it can occur very suddenly. This is why it is never a good idea to buy a cheap after market suspension kit that isn't properly engineered. Also it can be symptom of an improperly maintained suspension and a single event of death wobble means the whole suspension system will need to be serviced asap because it further damages the suspension making the death wobble occur more frequently. Here is a link to an article from a jeep engineer describing how death wobble happens www.allpar.com/SUVs/jeep/death-wobble.html
Well that's something the video didn't explain, lol! Thanks for the info
@@DrifterD Thanks! Now my stomach muscles are sore! Jerk!😅😂🤣
Engineers assistant: But sir, if these two shitty parts wear then it could allow for destructive harmonics to build up in the suspension.
Engineer: Calm down, it's a jeep. No one is going to notice and we'll save $1.50 per unit.
Thats cute and all Red Phoenix, but you getting all hot and bothered about a post doesn't make it a shit post, and considering the fact that Ive made every repair to every car in my family for the last decade, I would say I've got a pretty good handle on normal wear and tear. Btw, is it really so hard to write in a logically consistent manner? I mean, "as penny pinching endangering people" is just woefully sloppy syntax, and "He cannot tell normal wear and tear from an idiot proof car" simple doesn't follow logically. Are you sure you didn't mean "He cannot tell normal wear and tear from negligent design"? That would a least make a modicum of sense. Perhaps you should take a few sips of coffee before you start typing and then read it out loud to yourself before you hit the reply button. It will help you hide that room temp IQ and all those delicate sensibilities you have about buying a shitty brand of vehicle. lol Jokers and time wasters indeed.
Atlas, I like the way you explained to the stupid person why he is stupid. It shows you care. Unfortunately it is invariably a exercise in futility.
Its really impressive how much a vehicle can withstand when shit is really messed up.
That could definitely spill beer!
This is the real reason you don't drink and drive... too much at stake!
If you live in the country, you adapt to never spill beer. If it does I lick it out of my beard.
actually the term " Death wobble" is a motorcycle term and if you have ever been on a motorcycle going any speed above 30mph and go into a "true death wobble", you will never forget why they call it that. your front wheel starts the DW and then if you do not come out of it, the back wheel traction will eventually brake loose and it will start wheel hopping side to side, and then chances are you will go for a ride on the road because the force will throw you off the bike. somewhat like a bucking bull but side to side. that is a true death wobble.
worn or loose steering head bearings.
I had that happened to me on my 650xr when i hit a hole along some railroad tracks that was covered by a patch of grass. I was probably going 45mph but when I started wobbling accidentally pulled the throttle so I pulled the clutch in and held on. I did manage to straighten out but with the weight of the bike I fractured my left clavicle from my grip on the handle bars. A truly a scary experience.
Wow the entire axle is moving laterally. I always thought it just the steering components because of the alignment geometry. 😲 I suppose the axle is being acted on by forces of the wobble
Its the lateral force on the axle and a component thats worn out or loose allowing it to wobble and it just gets worse as the spring and shock push back
My son's 2018 Wrangler JL had this happen. There was an active recall on it when we bought it used with 46K miles on it. Both he and I experienced this ridiculous phenomenon in the first year he owned it. It's ridiculous that they haven't corrected the suspension geometry and components in all these years.
That’s weird. This video was posted on May 10, 2016, and here I am seeing it while crossing the Atlantic on the Mayflower.
finally, for some unknown reason, this video seemed relevant for us after 5 years thanks to the super youtube algorithms, intresting indeed!!
Lol
Still going strong 2 weeks later!
@@chriskenny4621 BOOM! I'll keep it going
I’m amazed at how much the engine moves on its mounts!
I just said the same thing LOL. The Slo Mo vid looked like the truck was still, and the motor was just rocking
Thats the transmission
@@slowgoat6089 you can't even see the transmission in this shot
its not the engine moving around, its the entire front axle shifting side to side hence the term "death wobble"
@@torxxx1 everything is moving around
After watching this i wonder if Changing the engine mounts would have an effect on the wobble.
The engine seems to be oscilating at a frequency similar to the suspension.
Would a more rigid engine mount help or make it worse? And what about a softer one?
This happened to me once...sold my jeep...fixed the problem
So, u all got this recommended right?
Apparently
I changed the tie rod, track bar, and the ball joints. Everything now works smooth as clockwork now. Alignment was super easy to do. Rusty's tie rod, Rubicon Express adjustable track bar, Detroit ball joints, were the formula to a smooth ride. While I was there I replaced noisy wheel bearing, added Rough Country rubber spring isolators to quiet the ride. Before putting it all together, I used marine black paint for undercoating.
Good to see y’all here after 4 years
Why is this being reccomend to everyone suddenly
The trouble with this is that because I watched this, for the next month I will be recommended several more death wobble videos. I already see them lining up in the column to the right.
TH-cam is trying to steer people away from political channels.
@@tycox8704 Yep, you got that right.
that steering stabilizer is working overtime for those few seconds
Actually, the steering stabilizer isn't working at all. That's the cause of the death wabble.
Owners manual in my 02 four runner starts off saying “congrats for purchasing a highly capable off road vehicle...”
Domestic manufacturers first line of the manual say “off road use voids warranties”
Highly capable is an understatement
That's a very broad generalization of every single offroad domestic ever made from 2000 until today. (also the comment right under yours is a guy asking how to fix this issue on his 4 Runner because he can't go over 60)
Um, the cherokees came out in the early 80's...
Max force feedback on a steering wheel be like:
Owned a 2008 Jeep Wrangler that did this. 100% stock vehicle. No changes to factory tires or suspension. Dealership found nothing wrong. It would happen at highway speeds, 50+ MPH. Hit a bump or groove in the road. An oscillation that got worse and worse within 5 seconds. Steering wheel rocking violently. Slowing down, in middle lane, down to 40, 35, 30, and it would finally stop. Cars braking behind me, steering to avoid rear ending me. Worst vehicle I ever owned. I traded it in at some other Jeep dealership. Love my 4Runner.
My experience precisely!