Why is there so much "controversy" in the hardcore scene? Underground hiphop is also like this. The alt crowd seem so uptight and touchy and it's pretty lame.
Yeah it made me realize I don’t even care bout the music anymore. These people are extremely online and mentally ill. There’s no reason to give any more of this shit my time or money (except in Dans video)
Surely the whole band should agree before saying yes to a tour? That’s possibly the most bizarre thing about the situation is the sudden “oh I didn’t agree to this” following the backlash.
LOL connie you drama queen. your agent and management confirmed to this tour because you gave approval. Couldn't take the reddit heat but it still looks like you are on the tour and you didn't quit. Phase two will be "donating to some cause" to save face.
I didn’t make it in the 3 hour time limit. Some of these allegations it’s sad to see their name get smeared. A member of PVRIS, Alex Babinski, had similar allegations and got kicked out of the band. And he got his name cleared legally of any wrongdoing. But would PVRIS ever bring him back? Probably not. The damage is already done. And even if they did bring him back. The comment section to anything regarding PVRIS is going to be critical. I’d like to see actual charges brought forth before de-platforming someone. Not just something someone typed up on social media.😊
I’m a big Roman Candle fan. Seeyouspacecowboy shouldn’t have taken them off the tour, they did everything they could to fix the problem and get rid of their bassist. then this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.
I understand people’s frustration with DGD. They have had a lot of ups and downs since the beginning but continued to remain as strong as they can be. Fact of the matter is that Tillian is no longer in the band and the band are trying their best to move forward with that situation. If the tour continues to move forward I will definitely be there for SYSC and DGD. Those two bands are very important to me at this current time because those are two bands that meant a lot to Jordan Blake of A Skylit Drive. When the original members of A Skylit Drive came back, they played their first show at SwanFest 2022 and SYSC was also on that year’s lineup. So hopefully if I meet both bands, I would want to share my condolences to the passing of their good friend and peer Jordan Blake, especially to DGD.
This so sad to me because I absolutely adore this band man, seeyouspacecowboy are just perfect and I’ve been listening to them for so long and to see something like this take them out would be so heartbreaking man
Everything was much easier back in my day - we would never break apart cause we were best friends first and then band members... But it was long time ago....and yeah, love your videos as a musician try to stay on topic as much as possible...
@ brother, he had an entire google drive disproving the abuse claims from the louder of the two. Also proving she took advantage of him when he was Severly intoxicated and she was sober repeatedly
If anything, this just shows that taking any sort of moral stance as a band is a terrible idea, because people will just hold it over your head later. And I don't get the 'touring with someone means you endorse their personal activities' mentality.
I was talking about this with some friends in a discord server, they're all big fans and it's really sad to see this is what's going on. Also, trashke got involved, so free content there
@@danframpt0n Not sure if you saw the post, but he basically claimed he had text message proof that they all agreed including connie to do the tour for 100k and that she is a hypocrite and they should drop off the tour.
Soo theyre upset about a going on tour a band that had a member (who is no longer in said band) over allegations. Regardless of how it was handled the guy isnt with the band anymore why make it a big issue when Tillian isnt even with DGD anymore?
I’ll also say I get that on the audience vanishing. Not going to self promote but I’ve been putting in the work on another platform, finally got an audience of 100k reading my poetry and I swear it seems like sometimes the week will change and like 80% audience just vanished into the ether. But keep on going right now your vids are the best they’ve ever been imo.
props to her for standing by her morals tbh, increasingly rare these days. ps dunno how much into grind you are but you might want to take a look at the insect warfare ai situation, pretty fucked
@@danframpt0n its how I found your channel. even if the algorithm is treating you the same I think Finn kind of soured people on this format and style of content.
I respect SeeYouSpaceCowboy even though it isn't my genre of music. That said, it's incredibly hypocritical that they would have a double standard like this: playing with a band with abuse accusations. I support Connie's decision to quit if she goes through with it. I think it is a mature choice to make. If my band was totally on board with playing a show with a band like that, I'd also quit!
Speaking of punk attitude, Any chance we’ll get a tasteful Framt0n take on the Pete Parada Offspring call out? Btw check out Harry Mack and OMA freestyle on MF Doom’s Rapp Snitches. Best live homage.
Huge fan. It was actually surreal. He's a long way from Lucha Underground. I'm bummed his bottom rope springboard leg drop was sloppy but he overcame it with a destroyer, Penta Driver and amazing post match promo. I am praying his merch sells well so he doesn't suffer the fate of Dragon Lee (and every other luchadore since Mysterio)
I low key I like seeing this. If you’re going to break up your band for touring with a band that has allegations you might as well pull the plug now because next week we’re holding bands who like pineapples on their pizza to the fire.
idk if they'd be your vibe. They have like an early 2000s post hardcore sound. But for a newer band that's kind of a novel haha. I really enjoyed their newest record Coup de Gras
There… I just subscribed our band to your channel! Lol now do my bidding and let’s get a more than 3-4ish min hot take on how “passed expiration” the peach fuzz generation thinks ETID is lol… put a little elbow grease into it, then place elbow into naysayers in pit promptly afterwards. Look at The Ongoing Concept, that’s a Hanson style (4 brothers I think lol.. not literally like Hansen) and they were huge in my scene in Orange County in the mid 2000s and just came back on fire. THEY BUILD THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS AND PLAY METAL THAT IS LIKE REFUSED/ETID & MICHAEL JACKSON HAD A 3-way BABY If you got the grit, ain’t as lazy as low morale makes you appear? You’ll be smart to check the bands I listed out. Stranger Fiction, Steaksauce Mustache (meh kinda fits that genre I think), Elwood Stray, The Barber (Russian.. but just like Grizzly Knows no remorse, you cannot tell whatsoever, bro) the Auteur, Them Broads, Those Greasy Bastards, Feverwar, Many Eyes, The Callous Daoboys, and a ton more. ALL making a comeback in this part of Georgia for sure and same we saw in Florida opening for Kingmaker (another southern tinged Converge viber that’s one to definitely check out)
It’s like a million The Chariots/Norma and ETIDs are coming out but all having a unique flavor and viciously wild live shows. OH check out The Matador, Johanna Rey (San Diego tech noisey math meets southern HC band) and last but not least is AMERICAN SLANG.. holy shit, go watch “Julius Seizure”… unbelievably rad
Hey I think if you start doing some material/content reflecting on how “southerncore” / punk n roll HC in these super random places like Australia & Canada like Life Pilot, Gl!tches (amazingly simple but hard AF) Bare Bones, Canine, Crashing The Funeral (amazing ETID type punk group that disappeared like last year) Tan & Handsome (amazing southern hardcore), The Hostage Situation (idk much about them and they may be American actually, but they are not active it seems), Maylene & Sons just came back because of said hype… and the vocalist healed…HE IS LEGEND fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks the hardest and their new album is undeniably amazing and intriguing, beyond heavy.. then Ogemaw County, Randy Graves, NANKASI (check them out NOW.. they are going to be big as so will Tan & handsome will imho).., in fact both have Greyhaven meets ETID meets Holly Springs vibes and it’s fun and not super serious. Look at Better Lovers’ success as the only litmus test you need
Why is there so much "controversy" in the hardcore scene? Underground hiphop is also like this. The alt crowd seem so uptight and touchy and it's pretty lame.
it is lame but I wouldn't have a channel without it lol
@danframpt0n loool
Yeah it made me realize I don’t even care bout the music anymore. These people are extremely online and mentally ill. There’s no reason to give any more of this shit my time or money (except in Dans video)
Because we have morals.
Drama and Controversy exists in every culture you choose to be a part of.
Surely the whole band should agree before saying yes to a tour? That’s possibly the most bizarre thing about the situation is the sudden “oh I didn’t agree to this” following the backlash.
Yeah its not all adding up
Its so strange
LOL connie you drama queen. your agent and management confirmed to this tour because you gave approval. Couldn't take the reddit heat but it still looks like you are on the tour and you didn't quit. Phase two will be "donating to some cause" to save face.
I lol'd because it's probably very true
I’m so sick of all this drama. SYSC are one of my favourite bands and I love hardcore/deathcore but all this drama is exhausting.
I didn’t make it in the 3 hour time limit. Some of these allegations it’s sad to see their name get smeared. A member of PVRIS, Alex Babinski, had similar allegations and got kicked out of the band. And he got his name cleared legally of any wrongdoing. But would PVRIS ever bring him back? Probably not. The damage is already done. And even if they did bring him back. The comment section to anything regarding PVRIS is going to be critical. I’d like to see actual charges brought forth before de-platforming someone. Not just something someone typed up on social media.😊
I’m a big Roman Candle fan. Seeyouspacecowboy shouldn’t have taken them off the tour, they did everything they could to fix the problem and get rid of their bassist. then this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.
lol how many post-hardcore bands dont have a controversy like this?
Excellent point
These are not post-hardcore bands. Stahp It with calling shitty bands post-hardcore
@@srsucioguapodelsur8845 I’d say there kinda on the line of post hardcore and screamo
Hardcore scene kids are such goofs for trying to stop a band like SYSC for getting some money. Who cares ?
The longer they wait to say something of substance, the worse it will be on the backend.
Agreed. We need a real statement and quickly
If they take them off the tour everyone wins. Keeps their band together and gives us a better opener for the Return of the Robot tour :)
I understand people’s frustration with DGD. They have had a lot of ups and downs since the beginning but continued to remain as strong as they can be. Fact of the matter is that Tillian is no longer in the band and the band are trying their best to move forward with that situation. If the tour continues to move forward I will definitely be there for SYSC and DGD. Those two bands are very important to me at this current time because those are two bands that meant a lot to Jordan Blake of A Skylit Drive. When the original members of A Skylit Drive came back, they played their first show at SwanFest 2022 and SYSC was also on that year’s lineup. So hopefully if I meet both bands, I would want to share my condolences to the passing of their good friend and peer Jordan Blake, especially to DGD.
Thats an excellent perspective thanks for sharing!
Yooo pit pros sounds right up my alley! I love reading comics. Happy to see you on webtoons and doing other creative stuff besides yt.
I'm having so much fun drawing and writing again!
This so sad to me because I absolutely adore this band man, seeyouspacecowboy are just perfect and I’ve been listening to them for so long and to see something like this take them out would be so heartbreaking man
Pit pros rules! Keep making it homie
Thanks dude! I have the next chapter 100% written and its already half-sketched out
Hey dan who you got... stone temple pilots vs 21 pilots..hahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA omg. Evil evil evil. STP cuz they have at least one good song and one good music video
Everything was much easier back in my day - we would never break apart cause we were best friends first and then band members... But it was long time ago....and yeah, love your videos as a musician try to stay on topic as much as possible...
Yoo thanks man!
DGD cut Tillian out, despite the fact TIllian proved the accusations false.
What??? Lmao Tillian didn't prove anything to be false he basically said :"Yeah I Fd up"
@ brother, he had an entire google drive disproving the abuse claims from the louder of the two. Also proving she took advantage of him when he was Severly intoxicated and she was sober repeatedly
Bit out of topic but what are the other hardcore festivals from the big 4?
FYA, LDB, This is Hardcore and Sound & Fury
@danframpt0n thank you so much 🖤
If anything, this just shows that taking any sort of moral stance as a band is a terrible idea, because people will just hold it over your head later. And I don't get the 'touring with someone means you endorse their personal activities' mentality.
Its weird seeing peo0pe talk about friends of mine or scene locals of mine 💀
it's not like any of the bad people are in the band anymore
Connie is a huge inspiration to me as a trans vocalist, so I do hope she doesn’t leave the band.
I think it's incredibly stupid liking both bands.
Notification gang LET'S GOOOO BRO 🔥
MY MAN
Wait do other members have allegations? They got rid of Jonny and Tilian both
Well nebulous is now my official word of the day.
Such a good word.
It’s January and I’m still here
0:56 loved it so much dude
I was talking about this with some friends in a discord server, they're all big fans and it's really sad to see this is what's going on.
Also, trashke got involved, so free content there
Oh did he? Haha good lord
@@danframpt0n Not sure if you saw the post, but he basically claimed he had text message proof that they all agreed including connie to do the tour for 100k and that she is a hypocrite and they should drop off the tour.
pit pros is awesome can't wait to see how it turns out
Thank you! I can't wait to share the next issue!
I hate when people are so cryptic like this!!
Same its so lame
Should be expected from someone like Connie, let’s be real now!
love the expos hat bud
Soo theyre upset about a going on tour a band that had a member (who is no longer in said band) over allegations. Regardless of how it was handled the guy isnt with the band anymore why make it a big issue when Tillian isnt even with DGD anymore?
I'm not here to psychoanalize why they went nuts, they just DID go nuts and it created backlash.
I’ll also say I get that on the audience vanishing. Not going to self promote but I’ve been putting in the work on another platform, finally got an audience of 100k reading my poetry and I swear it seems like sometimes the week will change and like 80% audience just vanished into the ether. But keep on going right now your vids are the best they’ve ever been imo.
that means a lot, man. thank you for saying that!
props to her for standing by her morals tbh, increasingly rare these days. ps dunno how much into grind you are but you might want to take a look at the insect warfare ai situation, pretty fucked
I'm looking into it now lol
thats fuckin wild man, i was really rooting for for these rockers
I'm so confused haha this sucks
F the fall off! Omg that’s so crazy!! It’ll pick up soon!!!! I’m so mad at TH-cam right now
I sure hope so
7:05 you were a recommendation from punk rock mba videos
interesting theory
@@danframpt0n its how I found your channel. even if the algorithm is treating you the same I think Finn kind of soured people on this format and style of content.
finn didn't do topic commentary. he did bad video essay.
@@danframpt0nnah Finn read Wikipedia articles in front of a camera 😹☠️
@@danframpt0n its not 1:1 but you must know that you have a hefty overlap in audience.
OK back down to one layer of headgear. Things are looking up for me. What will tomorrow bring??
Stay tuned
@danframpt0n je t'aime
i would hate 2 see 1 of my favorite bands end bc of this
It would be a shame
Hell yea 6 hour gang
Dang I missed 3 hour gang
See you space 3 hour gang boy
Starboy! And the captain of outer spaaaace
You seem kinda weird but your videos are cool.
I am kinda weird in a "i do my own thing and don't give a crap what people think" sort of way.
Begs the question!!!
Sure does
I think I’m past the three hour mark, but I thought I’d bring traffic anyway. Hope your views improve!
eh thank uuu
Missed the notif but noticed you dressed like summer w long hair. Talk about cryptic! When did the frozen tundra warm up? 🍁🍁
Its freezing
I respect SeeYouSpaceCowboy even though it isn't my genre of music. That said, it's incredibly hypocritical that they would have a double standard like this: playing with a band with abuse accusations.
I support Connie's decision to quit if she goes through with it. I think it is a mature choice to make. If my band was totally on board with playing a show with a band like that, I'd also quit!
Its such a weird situation
Awesome thumbnail dude
Thank you
Let’s take a deep dive
🤿
That’s such a cool comic.
Thank u! I can't wait to keep telling this story
Speaking of punk attitude, Any chance we’ll get a tasteful Framt0n take on the Pete Parada Offspring call out?
Btw check out Harry Mack and OMA freestyle on MF Doom’s Rapp Snitches. Best live homage.
Just realized I didn’t click on the MF Doom video. My fault 😂
Nooo worries lol
I was debating covering it
🔍
*Freestyling Over Classic Beats | Harry Mack x OMA*
Skip to 3 : 26
hey dan, what ate thoughts on Penta 0M’s WWE debut?
Huge fan. It was actually surreal. He's a long way from Lucha Underground. I'm bummed his bottom rope springboard leg drop was sloppy but he overcame it with a destroyer, Penta Driver and amazing post match promo. I am praying his merch sells well so he doesn't suffer the fate of Dragon Lee (and every other luchadore since Mysterio)
@ fingers crossed man, i hope he does well,
Second comment, because of the comic.....
One comic you might like(i have all the issues) is "punk rock jesus" its pretty rad
Thanks for the rec!
Comment! end gang!
MVP STYLE
Damn dude. Sorry for bullying you into making that Jud Jud video that tanked your channel.
hahahahaha
Damn, see ya :/
Space cowboy
I low key I like seeing this. If you’re going to break up your band for touring with a band that has allegations you might as well pull the plug now because next week we’re holding bands who like pineapples on their pizza to the fire.
hahaha fair!
What’s up dude
Check you "legendary stardust cowboy" the song "paralyzed " you will thank me :P get back to me when you hear the bugle......
I will try to remember haha
I listened to them recently, and they're boring, in my opinion, but who cares what I think. I don't know why I felt compelled to say this.
I wish more people would make comments exactly like this. Just bluntly stating an opinion a d bouncing. Big fan
@danframpt0n a d bouncing?
I watched the interview on hardlore and was bummed when I checked out the band
3 hour gang!!
2 sweet
You're the art of slop guy, aren't you? I didn't know you had a second channel. Hopefully, it's as sloppy as the other one.
Thats me. This is the main channel and yeah, it's just as sloppy
@danframpt0n ooh, bunch of sloppy content. I'm gonna get high AF and binge watch.
First I've heard of this band. Maybe I'll check em out 🤔🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞
idk if they'd be your vibe. They have like an early 2000s post hardcore sound. But for a newer band that's kind of a novel haha. I really enjoyed their newest record Coup de Gras
YT's flooded with political vids right now. It'll pick up 👊
Thanks for the hope and positivity. I'm gonna keep posting through the pain
well I have nothing to say about this really, but since you're replying to every comment hows yoour day going?
Very well thank you! hbu?
@danframpt0n I'm high on mushrooms with a cat on my knee, so pretty good.
Do u enjoy poutine goodsir?
Only insane people don't
@@danframpt0n I've heard montreal has the best poutine in canada ? I've never had it because my ex hated it lol
Love you frampton 🫶
i appreciate you saying this in my time of need! lol
check out my new comic book :) www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/pit-pros-/pit-pros-chapter-zero-/viewer?title_no=1018572&episode_no=1&webtoonType=CHALLENGE
i realized 4 minutes in i dont really give a shit about either of these bands. both garbage
Hahahaha fair
🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞
10 min gang💪
That's the business!
wow hi
Whoa! Hello!
Womp womp.
Lio
Why is this terrible band playing a hardcore fest tho
There… I just subscribed our band to your channel! Lol now do my bidding and let’s get a more than 3-4ish min hot take on how “passed expiration” the peach fuzz generation thinks ETID is lol… put a little elbow grease into it, then place elbow into naysayers in pit promptly afterwards. Look at The Ongoing Concept, that’s a Hanson style (4 brothers I think lol.. not literally like Hansen) and they were huge in my scene in Orange County in the mid 2000s and just came back on fire. THEY BUILD THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS AND PLAY METAL THAT IS LIKE REFUSED/ETID & MICHAEL JACKSON HAD A 3-way BABY
If you got the grit, ain’t as lazy as low morale makes you appear? You’ll be smart to check the bands I listed out. Stranger Fiction, Steaksauce Mustache (meh kinda fits that genre I think), Elwood Stray, The Barber (Russian.. but just like Grizzly Knows no remorse, you cannot tell whatsoever, bro) the Auteur, Them Broads, Those Greasy Bastards, Feverwar, Many Eyes, The Callous Daoboys, and a ton more. ALL making a comeback in this part of Georgia for sure and same we saw in Florida opening for Kingmaker (another southern tinged Converge viber that’s one to definitely check out)
It’s like a million The Chariots/Norma and ETIDs are coming out but all having a unique flavor and viciously wild live shows. OH check out The Matador, Johanna Rey (San Diego tech noisey math meets southern HC band) and last but not least is AMERICAN SLANG.. holy shit, go watch “Julius Seizure”… unbelievably rad
What are “DV allegations?”
You'll figure it out
Hey I think if you start doing some material/content reflecting on how “southerncore” / punk n roll HC in these super random places like Australia & Canada like Life Pilot, Gl!tches (amazingly simple but hard AF) Bare Bones, Canine, Crashing The Funeral (amazing ETID type punk group that disappeared like last year) Tan & Handsome (amazing southern hardcore), The Hostage Situation (idk much about them and they may be American actually, but they are not active it seems), Maylene & Sons just came back because of said hype… and the vocalist healed…HE IS LEGEND fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks the hardest and their new album is undeniably amazing and intriguing, beyond heavy.. then Ogemaw County, Randy Graves, NANKASI (check them out NOW.. they are going to be big as so will Tan & handsome will imho).., in fact both have Greyhaven meets ETID meets Holly Springs vibes and it’s fun and not super serious. Look at Better Lovers’ success as the only litmus test you need