Erling Haaland and the Bundesliga Tax
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When Jadon Sancho played his last season at Borussia Dortmund his statistics were up there with the best in Europe, but in his debut season at Manchester United his numbers have been anything but…
And he’s not alone, most stars of the Bundesliga fail to reach the same highs when they play in the Premier League. This drop off is known as the Bundesliga Tax.
Why does it happen? Is the Bundesliga alone?
Jon Mackenzie explains, Henry Cooke illustrates.
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#Bundesliga #Haaland #Sancho - กีฬา
Bundesliga tax doesn’t apply to Man City given Gundogan, Sanè, Kompany, De Bruyne, Dzeko
I miss sane 😿
@UC1XvAAEazBjGpz0zYZ-twlQ Haaland in a team where KDB would ping passes to him would overcome any supposed tax.
@@GregorSamsa281 not if they're both injured at same time or even one at a time. Both struggled with injuries recently and competitiveness of the premier league i doubt both will appear 30+ times together over a season
I think Bayern would like to sell him back for same money right now xD he's not loved here
Or Heung Min Son, Firmino, Thiago, Aubameyang etc
Its a humble request, can you make a video on English tax, overrated and massively overpriced english players ✌🏻
They have - it's the Jude bellingham video. English players are more expensive because EPL is the richest league and they need home grown and English players for registration reasons.
And also what is happening to Pengland!!!
The best league in the 🌎
@@cthulhudreams1246 it’s a shame of a league, the richest league, true, yet since 2000 la liga has won 11 ucls and 11 europa leagues while English teams have won 5 ucls and 4 europa leagues
@@josedupuydelome9486 playing against terrible teams every week helps them. especially when their leagues rearrange fixtures before CL games to help them even more. English teams don’t get this privilege. Also helps when Madrid won the league by 13 points so they could throw away league games for fun whilst city won the title with 10 mins left
If you’re from the older generation you’d know there was a time when the Bundesliga was actually one of the most competitive and entertaining leagues in the world instead of it being a one horse race wherein teams like Dortmund, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Bremen, Schalke, Hamburg, Hannover, Stuttgart all had world class players and would actually try to compete for the title rather than act as feeder clubs to Bayern.
So you're saying money ruined it?
The German clubs became masochistic in the name of profit. Now even their second and third best teams are Europa league quality at best
If you are from the current generation you'd know that Dortmund buys more Bundesliga players as compared to Bayern
Even if you look at this season's transfer window and targets you'd know that Dortmund is buying more Bundesliga players than Bayern.
It is a one horse race because of the efforts of Uli and KHR who have handled the club well for so many years that it has stayed profitable for so long with €0 debt even in times of pandemic
@@ascendedlad1955 It’s only been recently that Dortmund’s buying players from other German clubs.
Otherwise majority of their best players over the last 2 decades have either been from their youth academies or from other lesser known leagues and some “smart buys” from renowned leagues. From the “lesser known leagues” you’ve got Tomas Rosicky, Jan Koller, Mohamed Zidan, Shinji Kagawa, Lewandowski, Mkhitaryan, Pizcek to name a few.
As for guys like Reus, Gotze, Şahin, Schmelzer, Pulisic..they’re all academy products.
And for the “smart buys” well we know who they are :)
Cl money yes
Aubameyang would have been an interesting case to look at. Came to a struggling Arsenal, received a golden boot while Arsenal was still struggling
That would be interesting insight
and was 1 goal away in 2020 from winning two golden boots. so underrated
And our fanbase is full of muppets that turned on him as soon as Arteta used him as a scapegoat
The highest goal scorer this season is literally a former Bundesliga player
Son?
@@sigfigronath yes used to play for Leverkusen and Hamburg
@@Grandsuno that's true but he didn't come to the EPL this season or last season right. (He was still quality)
@@sigfigronath he moved in 2015 but was nowhere near the quality he is today. He was an emerging prospect when he moved
@@DeTaxxman last season second half he was absolutely clinical. The best he's been imo.
I love the premier league but I really dislike this narrative.
Auba, KDB, Sane, Son and many others have been top players in the Prem from Bundesliga. You stated that big money signings failed to live up to expectations. Maybe that’s the real issue. We have seen many top Premier league players struggle in other leagues. I.e Hazard, Coutinho, and Cesc Fabregas.
In fact, most of the top players in Prem are from other leagues. Sanchez ruled EPL until his big salary move to Man U.
The common thing with top players failing elsewhere is money and expectations.
Some players only have ambition for money. Once they get that they stop trying to be the best. Others cave under pressure. It has nothing to do with the premier league. It can happen in almost every league.
Bundesliga tax my @ss.
What do you mean 'Sanchez ruled EPL until his big money move to Man Utd'?
Cesc Fabregas?
Couldn't agree more
@@danpreston564 Sanchez was easily one of the best players in the league during his first couple of seasons at arsenal especially
Everything else but the PL is a FarMerS lEaGuE
don't you know?
I think haaland has answered the question of whether Bundesliga tax exist. It clearly doesn't.
The real reason is when English team signs players they don't know how to use them. They sign them cuz they got a lot of money. While teams from Germany don't have much money to spend on the transfer market so they sign their players wisely and know how to use them. For example when man city sign Bundesliga players they all do very good cuz pep is smart manager and knows what players he needs and knows how to use them. (kdb, gumdogan, sane, dzeko, kompany)
Kompany and dzeko weren't signed by pep....but I get your point
Exactly, not only Germany but from other leagues too like Spain and portugal
@@shakenblake4533 yeah i meant gundo, sane, kdb
Nooooooo
It can never be the Brit clubs fault! Haven't you read the comments?
None of them are English Players.
More like: STUPID ENGLISH PLAYERS EXPENSIVE (UHH SANCHO MAGUIRE GREALISH 100 MILLION EURO) TAX
Thank god for all the comments here. I dont understand how a channel like this doesnt look at other factors, like the system of the club that the player played in vs the new one. Its nice that you made the comparison to other leagues but you could use your position to inform people better about how multiple factors play into the performance of a player.
This is just my observation from following football for many years, but usually people who support the PL tend to think that it is the best, most competitive league out there. So they always follow this narrative and purposely not look at cases where the so called "Premier League Tax" doesn't apply. If you watch more English channels, you'll see how they always rate PL giants over giants from the other top leagues because they're English. Its annoying, but there's nothing we can do about it
@@chaitanya6413 im imagining now lewandowski from bayern going to a pl team and him and haaland scoring like crazy. wonder how they would react to that.
i mean i give it to them that the league has accumulated a lot of really strong players but thats no wonder when you throw all this cash around...
The video was backed by the average data. All of those factors are inside that!
@@sinaasviin4139 no... if the coach doesn't know how to use a player properly or uses a player dufferently. But I'm guessing ur English so it's fine.
the axamples are SO cherry picked. there are so many players, even in recent years, that moved from the BL to the PL and were monstrously successful, ESPECIALLY for Man City
That's not the point. Understand the players bought from Bundesliga need either a Tiki-Taka or a Gegenpressing Coach. They work brilliantly under Spanish, German, or English coaches with a bent of mind similar to the Spanish and German.
The English style of football is dying.
True. And there are also players like Emmanuel Dennis and Demarai Gray who were awful in the Bundesliga but decent in the Prem.
@@natalkumar6132 Serious question here, what is the "English style" of football
I know the stereotypes of Spanish football being technical, German football having a lot of running, and Italian football being defensive
The stereotype about English football is the "Hoof it foward", hard tackling and physical football, but is that all there is to it. Is there a team that is maybe a perfect example of "Traditional English football"?
@@kb9889 I’d say the closest in recent years would be Burnley and stoke held that mantle until their relegation. Big, strong, overly physical, aggressive. Much like the legendary English teams of old such as Leeds back in the day. I don’t really buy into the ‘English style’ argument either as football has come a long way since kicking players off the pitch was seen as the way to go… but the stereotype still exists for some reason 🤷🏻♂️
Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse and Sigurdsson immediately spring to mind as finding the premier league far easier than they found the bundesliga. Firmino too probably fits into that category. There's at least as many success stories as there are flops
The "Bundesliga Tax" is such a stupid term. Is there precedent for Bundesliga players losing production when moving to the Premier League? Yes.
There are a number of different factors. From the high lines German teams play to the attacking nature of the league to the slightly greater emphasis on speed rather than tactical movement to the quality of the Bundesliga and its' defenders to teams not using the Bundesliga players right.
But the term "Bundesliga tax" only exists to dumb down this discussion and condense the reasons for Bundesliga players not doing as well in the Premier League down into a singular reason. That reason being "well, the Bundesliga sucks hahaha". It kills any kind of meaningful discussion and actual logical arguments in favor of making a massive over generalization.
Is the overall quality of the Bundesliga as good as the quality in the Premier League? No. Is it incredibly short sighted to make this the only reason for Buli imports struggling in the Premier League? Yes.
My exact thought. It irks me whenever all these discussions degenerates to the EPL being the toughest league. When in my opinion, the EPL is just the richest and most popular.
How many EPL greats have gone to other leagues and have been successful?
@@doyinayoola2442 some EPL flops does flourish in other leagues though, Serie A recentely have seen many EPL flops into at least decent players like Smalling, Giroud, and Tammy comes to mind. Some even excelled at it, like Lukaku at Inter. Even Madrid's recent flop, Eden Hazard, was doing reasonably decent despite injury problems.
I'm not really sure what is really the factor though, i do agree that the general sentiment of EPL being the "toughest league" is kinda dumb since Lukaku was doing well at Everton.
@@nakiyame2606 my man really just called Tammy and espacially Giroud EPL flops lmao
@@anti3374 ok maybe mostly Chelsea flops (lol), but Giroud is thought to be already past his prime and ok, Tammy isn't really a flop but they're both doing better in Serie A compared to their latest form in EPL. Though Tammy at Aston Villa was something.
We have seen coutinho and hazard flop in other leagues as well.
Sane,kdb,gundogan,son,mane and so many more from the bundesliga have been extremely successful in prem. It’s a stupid myth
Mane never played in germany. He played for slazburg
@@tomaslima2371 which once was German (HRE)
@@klamin_original Salzburg is in Austria, buddy. You're thinking of RB Leipzig.
@@KindredBrujah Dude, it was a JOKE contradicting Tomás Lima, saying that he DID play in Germany because Salzburg WAS once German during the HRE.
A joke with historical references...
@@tomaslima2371 hence he's playing in the Bundesliga (Austria) hehe
Haaland is too good for any tax. You can sense that from his UCL goal tally.
Timo Werner outscored him
Everyone is taxed
Haaland is not a well-rounded footballer.
Haller is a champions league top scorer ?
Yes... 23 goals in 19 games is a ridicilous stat.
"Bundesliga Tax" sounds like a term used for trolling
"BuNdEsLiGa TaX"
KDB
Firmino
Heung-Min Son
Leroy Sane
Kompany
Gundogan
Thiago
Aubameyang
Dzeko
Just a few examples of players who had no problem being just as good or even better in the PL compared to the Bundesliga.
I swear this guy doesnt even consider the factors like systems to see if a player does well or not
Firmino
@@bradleysmith6478 and its not like prem players moving improve every time or eveb stay the same
@@bradleysmith6478 that is literally exactly what they considered if you actually watched rhe video
The problem is also excerbated in the PL due to transfer fees being astronomically high. You will find a lot of teams in Europe and South America take advantage of this. Paul Pogba should be most evident of this
eh. pogba's fee was high at the time, but not so much as to be "astronomical". you have to remember that he was the most coveted midfield prospect in the world back when he moved to united
Pogba is a really bad example because the PL clubs weren't the only one wanting him to sign, even for that Money. United got the move because of him going through their youth ranks.
He literally was one of the most integral part of France winning the WC, a leader, a captain, a creative force.
That's United Problem, not a Pogba Problem. But with United it's always the player, it's never the systematic failure the club's suffers for since SAF left for good.
@@jabroniking71 and he was only 23 at the time
@@daftbanna7202 right. in some ways he was basically the midfielder version of what mbappe is now. young, accomplished, physically gifted, and with limitless potential
Pogba is class. The only problem is he plays for United
3 Months later: 8 Games in PL, 14 Goals, 3 consecutive Hattricks, 1,75 goals per match, more goals by him than 2/3 of the EPL-Teams have scored.
I think PL looks like a farmer league now ^^
I can't believe this video is actually real lol. I find it interesting that they didn't even consider how premier league players perform after moving to the Bundesliga or other European top five leagues
Wouldn't that be another video? After all this is called Bundesliga tac
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Maybe they should take into consideration that the likes of Werner, & Havertz had their teams and play styles build around them in the Bundesliga and this wasn't the case anymore in the Prem. Bayern didn't want Werner because they would have needed to change the system to bring out the best out of him.
Werner does not even fit into teams with high posseisson, because he is so bad with the ball in 1 on 1 situations. That's why he is so trash with the national team. All he could do in bundesliga is literally run fast and create space with a decent finishing, which he apparently lost in the prem.
He'll flourish in the PL. He's talented enough, quick and intelligent enough. And last but not least - hugely physically strong enough. He's a monster.
Ridiculous that after Athletik, Tifo of all have stooped as low to using "Bundesliga tax" unironically.
Here's the thing, Bundesliga averages 0.3 to 0.4 goals per match more than the Premier league. That's a stylistic difference to the way football's played. Of course, if a player moves from a league with more attacking teams to a league with more defensive teams there will be a drop in output.
But, where is the reporting on players who actually performed better in PL than BuLi? This last season. Dennis from Watford. Hwang hee chan from Wolves. Demarai Gray in Everton. Leroy Sane has had better seasons at PL than with Bayern.
Let me make it clear. I'm not saying Bundesliga is better than Premier League. The English clubs are richer, buy and retain more players in their prime. Absolutely PL is the stronger league. But, its mental to only look at the drop off in attacking output in terms of strength of league and not consider tactical fit of the player moving from team to team, the style of football prevalent in opposition teams.
Does anyone REALLY expect Sancho to have the same numbers moving from an attacking force in Dortmund to a United team that's tactically weaker than half of the PL teams? Sancho's been good in Europe. No one should be talking about any hypothetical tax. Haaland has been generational in Europe. The only argument against him are primarily injuries. Secondarily, moving from a counter attacking Rose's BVB and his former Salzburg side to a possession heavy City side. He does have some experience in a possession focused side under Favre and Terzic.
Exactly. This video creates the narrative of the EPL as some superior league when there are factors like the ones you mentioned that affect players. Should there be a EPL tax for players moving from England to Spain for instance, since some players have struggled?
Great points. Also, the ironic thing is - while you call Sancho a flop, you also state that younger players might adapt better later on(Son, KDB etc). Sancho's got his best years ahead of him. The video also conveniently ignored someone like Konate - who is young and has effectively become a starter over Joel Matip. Tifo IRL is still great content but the primary channel is really not making those out of the box videos anymore
Precisely! Well put.
I wonder if there is a tax from moving anywhere to anywhere. Which is to say, changing team, tactics and the whole of your life might affect how you play.
That would be shocking.
The fact that you use something called Bundesliga tax which is a term used by Football Twitter losers who haven't touched grass in ages is genuinely embarassing
it is true tho
@@user-fo7mu7hx4w Leroy Sane played better in PL as compared to the Bundesliga
@@ascendedlad1955 so did KDB and Auba
@@un4175 auba is kinda debatable but KDB definitely
@@ascendedlad1955 He won the golden boot. Something Rooney never won.
Kai havertz struggling 😂 …in his early 20s and already scored a winning champions league winning goal for the club. He’s doing just fine
Havertz level has dropped massively from his BL level
I think Sancho's form will bounce back, it just looked like he needed time to settle. Started getting into games more in his last few matches imo
Yeah the second half of the season was much better for him, I believe at one point he had a run of like 6 games or so where he had 3 goals and 3 assists, hopefully ten hag can develop him more he’s definitely talented
@@Azuritron fingers crossed, but it feels like they might be a good fit for each other
It seems that Manchester United have not been set up to take advantage of their players' strengths for a long time. Maybe it'll start happening soon.
Manchester United was also in shambles this season. Sancho was actually one of the better United players in the second half of the season
@@TheRishijoesanu It was interesting to watch early on as Sancho was in the correct positions for a team press like at Dortmund. However, the rest of Man United was not. As for goals/assists part of it I’m sure was a lack of understanding how the system worked. Also how United focused on Bruno to be the main playmaker. Not to mention the fact that United played down the left side more frequently than the middle and the right side having the least attacking percentage
Bundesliga players just trashed England 4-0
I think Erling Haaland has absolutely shat on the 'Bundesliga Tax' claims at this point
Aged like milk
Would be interesting to see whether the same tax exists for premier league players going abroad. Might be more of a new league/country tax that is applicable to football in general rather than the premier league specifically.
Actually seems the other way around - in recent years at least; With moves abroad being good for British players. But there is a host of factors that will make any transfer a success, adapting to a different league where you may or may not really know the language culture or have any friends around can defiantly be a big factor though - especially with big expectations. Buying players, in general, is always a gamble.
There's also a "player switching teams" tax in general. Some players perform so well not because of the league they play in, but because their team was built around their playing style. It's not included in that table at 2:15, but I'd bet that players on average suffer a drop off in production when they leave the EPL for other leagues as well.
I’d love a video specifically about Arsenal signings made in the last 6 years and where they are now. It feels like there has been a lot invested in players that ended up only spending a year at the club or underperformed/spent a lot of time injured in their first season after signing.
And even if they didn’t underperform, they ended up excelling at very different things than why they were initially scouted (i.e. Lacazette and the number of assists/goals he was involved in)
Didn't hear anything about BuLi tax when Thiago signed 🤔
Bayern's dominance is killing that league. It's an amazing league; best fans, great stadia, wonderful rivalries and more legends than almost anyone. Best coaches too!
Man City Bundesliga Tax
Successful:
Edin Dzeko
Vincent Kompany
Nigel de Jong
De Bruyne
Erling Haaland
Ilkay Gundogan
Leroy Sane
Untested: Manuel Akanji & Stefan Ortega
Haaland has done it everywhere: champions league, national games, austria.
This is a guaranteed success.
don’t buy into the Bundesliga tax stuff. All comes down to if you have the profile, are in the right situation and other situations that might affect your performance. If you’re good, you’re good, simple.
You'd expect different leagues to be tougher than one another. Right now its the Premier League. It used to be La Liga, and maybe a little further back it was Serie A. These things change over time.
It’s just easier put up big numbers in the Bundesliga compared to the prem
@@mashwork6615 it's just different every league plays a bit different and some players are just more suited to a different league or they need a specific system to perform like Werner
Ahhhh I love tifo content the slow gentle music in the background the way he speaks it's just a match made in heaven. I never realised until about 3 weeks ago that I need more and more of tifo videos. Thank you bud
2:23 says it all. It's not even statistically significantly different to other leagues..... Jesus
Dont get me wrong, the bundesliga actually used to be competitive, especially in the early 2010's
Like the PL is competitive. It has multiple massive gaps from top to bottom, the top 4 accumulates more points than elsewhere... This while Tottenham, United and Arsenal are Europa League level.
Your league isnt all that, humble yourself 💀, man city league
@@yeee17 bayern won bundesliga 10 years in a row. 8/10 years they won by +10 points. This year they won by 8 points.
Atleast theres something to watch in the PL. Its not impossible for teams like Chelsea, Liverpool, Man UTD, Tottenham, etc to build a decent squad to be competitive
@@stnbch3025 Tottenham are not Europa league level with Conte and atleast those teams have the budget and potential to make competitive squads during transfer windows.
I'd rather bet money on Arsenal (5) or Man UTD (6) winning the PL than Union Berlin (5) or SC Freiburg (6) winning the Bundesliga
@@youngcitybandit Either way your money is probably gone.
Demarai gray's figures are better at everton than it was in Germany..
In the case of De Bruyne would you not argue that after however many seasons the tax becomes irrelevent so if their is a drop off in the first few seasons it still holds up?
Andre Schürrle did well for Chelsea when he came from Germany 2013/14. I loved how he played for us.
Bundesliga is a more attacking league, with more goals per game. Of course offensive stats will drop off when you have to play teams like Burnley.
4:15 - the season before he joined City, they finished 2nd and 8 points behind Chelsea then in his first season they finished 4th, scraping a Champions League place.
I don’t think he joined a ‘very successful’ City side. A better side than United, sure, but in no way near peak. It was in a massive transition.
Emmanuel Denis was a nobody in the Bundesliga and in the premier league he became a good player. Same with gray and hwang chan(wolves) and others.
Would have been interesting to see how players fare when moving to another countries league apart from the PL for comparison.
Moving country and environment is a big part of the struggle
Not just because the Premier League is so great but because humans have to adjust to different ways of living and working before performing on the highest level i suppose
There will be an interesting contrast to look at Darwin Nunez and Haaland this season, as both coming in very successful teams. Can Nunez hit the ground running as Luis Diaz
Funny that they didn't mention him being as their stats shpwed almost as much drop off in players comimg from Portugal as Germany
@@GuinessOriginal vid was probs made by the time the transfer was confirmed
honestly, i don't understand why you want a huge 1st season from him, super young and loads of potential, not meant too be that guy in his 1st season, ergo why you kept salah
@@elliotthampton3167 yeah I find it interesting that Haarland is the only player they’ve mentioned this tax about so far, he’s also the only player they’ve done an analysis of the full linen lifetime transfer cost, which they haven’t and probably won’t do for any other player transfer. Why not look at the transfer tax and fill lifetime transfer cost of pogba?
No, he won't.
Luís Diaz was a matured player.
his performances were stable, always at a high level. Like Bruno Fernandes prior to his move to United.
Darwin is still a youngster, his performances vary a lot.
Shine on a game, ghosts the Next game.
As expected from a youngster...
He will be a top striker, One of the best in the game. In the future, not at the present.
Sancho is actually class. He chose Manchester United. That was his mistake
The comparison is null and void until Premier League players, and star premier league players at that, start going to the Bundesliga.
Sane?
why would they do that when the bundesliga is such a poor league
@@ewan7283 Honestly. This guy lol. "I wont form an opinion until I see top class players go to a dead league to play for Bayen to win the title every year for the rest of their career". Like thats gonna happen.
It’s not entirely as cut and dry because a lot of players leave big winning teams who have large spells of possession and obviously create a lot of chances such as Lyon, Dortmund, Benfica and Inter and then join clubs like Southampton etc who are going to lose more games than they win, will have less of the ball and naturally create less chances so it’s not as simple as saying it’s a ‘Premier League tax’
Son Heung-min, Kbd laughing
Would love to see a video about Papiss Cisse, since we're talking about Bundesliga imports...
What I am curious to know though is the cost of those transfers in the “tax” at those high transfer fees you expect out put. Obviously young/old players and non “world class” or top level players will struggle coming from easier leagues to play in the premier league but these high transfer fee players are held to higher standards
I honsetly think sancho will improve next season, as for timo werner, he could have had a better season if chelsea believed in him instead of splashing 100m for sweatkaku, a guy who don't even want to play for them. But you cant ignore the success of some bundesliga players e.g. KDB, gundo, sane, aubamayeng, son
Sancho is garbage, there's no improvement in him. Slowest wide attacker I've seen at the club, passing is awful and he's got to be the weakest player in terms of upper body strength and balance - he gets bullied by every right back he comes up against.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere only time will tell but I don’t think he’s that terrible man 😂
It'd be interesting to see the same figures for players moving from the PL to other leagues.
0:18 I think it's unnecessary to say something like "top 1/5th percentile" as opposed to his specific percentile. It's not more concise nor is it more clear as opposed to the specific percentile. It seems clear that by top 5th percentile you mean between 80th and 99th percentile but someone could easily miss the context and think you meant 5th percentile (as in, very bad). Finally, saying something like "top 1/5th percentile" is deceiving because at far ends of distributions the "top 1/5th" percentile" could easily cover two total standard deviations of data.
Had to rub my phone screen multiple times thinking there was smudge on the screen
Ilkay Gundogàn was also not affected by the tax
It's so funny to see the rivals trying to cope with the situation
Just watch the video g
@@vibe6750 nah g
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video🤷🤦
One thing to note for the Bundesliga is that it has the youngest average age of any of the big 5 leagues. It's really garnered a reputation as the place for a young player to go to make a name for themselves. With the sheer number of players that spend their development years in the Bundesliga and then transfer to other leagues it's inevitable that you're going to get a number of disappointments, especially as so many big clubs fall head over heels trying to find the next big thing. When you buy someone who's 20, you're buying them for their potential. When you're buying someone who's 25 or 30 you're getting the finished product.
As for Haaland in particular, I think he'll work out for City. His goal rate is so strong (averaged a goal per game witg Dortmund) that even with a drop off in that rate he would still be putting up impressive numbers. Plus, he's succeeded with every team he's played with so far, from Salzburg to Dortmund even to Norway (unlike Werner who only really did well with Leipzig when the whole system was built around him) and Pep knows how to get the best out of his players. The only major risk is how injury prone he's been with Dortmund but then again so have a lot of players so maybe it has something to do with their style of play.
That background music son. Quality.
De Bruyne, Firmino, Heung-Min Son, Leroy Sane, Kompany, Gundogan, Thiago, Dzeko, Rosicky, Aubameyang, Vestergaard, Höjbjerg, Berbatov, Jérôme Boateng, Jens Lehmann, Slaven Bilic.
Sancho had a miserable season. 😭
only because he moved to a club in utter disarray
It’s only his first season, I expect him to have a much better season next year
Manchester United makes every player get worse for the few years.
I think it’s awesome how Atlas colors were used from LigaMX.(I’m sure it’s not the team)
I bet if you looked at the players that succeeded vs the ones that didn't, the ones that did are athletic, big units, or both who also have enough technical skill to adapt to be moderately good at resisting an aggressive press. The ones who don't succeed being lacking in one of those areas.
Around 66% of players in the premier league are foreigners, and yet the premier league is the most competitive league in the world. Even though SOME players have flopped after joining the EPL from other European leagues, most of them have thrived.
Coutinho and Hazard looked lime prime Ronaldinho in the EPL and sh@ the bed in Spain
Burnley and Weghorst would like to differ. He did pretty well at a struggling PL side
There is no "Bundesliga Tax" One just has to choose the right talent ... take for example Kroos and Ozil was there a "Bundesliga tax" . As emilio Butragueno says "just don't look at the raw stats , look for his will power and character . Players can and will have bad seasons but it's his character an will power that will stop from being forgotten"
Yeah, this term is pointless anyway. It’s not like a player will be 30-40% worse in the premier league than in the Bundesliga for example, but some people act like it exactly like this. Truth is that it depends on the players mentality and playing style. Haaland is a good and new example for that. His playing style fits perfectly and his talent is the same as in the Bundesliga.
Footballers aren't robots so language, culture and friendships/family affect how well someone adapts to a new league. Some may struggle because they go from being the ultimate superstar (Sancho) to being just one of many. A dropoff in Scoring numbers is expected and normal when a player joins the Premier League considering how most teams park the bus all the time.
Since most Managers in the Bundesliga come from or are inspired by the RedBull/Rangnick school, their teams tend to play a high pressing line with a high defensive line which obviously leads to more chances on the counter where players who are good in moving into channels (Havertz, Haaland) shine. This does not mean that the quality of the defenders in the Bundesliga is significantly worse than elsewhere.
How do you look at players that move within the premier league? Any “tax” between teams?
If so, how much is the “tax” adaptation to a new team?
1:44 ok.. thats a first pronounce thats different... Kinda liked that tchouameni/ chew-mene or chew-mane confusion..
l was thinking the same but what about : Mertesacker, Podolski, Firmino, De Bruyne, Sane, Dzeko, Gundogan and probably others too?
sancho joined runners up man united, i know in retrospect they struggled this season but it didn’t look like they would at the start of the season
If the so called Premier League tax is contingent on the strength of the team you join, wouldn't that imply that the Premier League is the weaker league in a footballing sense? The players who've joined the two strongest PL teams have had great careers since. Salah, KDB, Gundogan, Silva, Firmino, and even Origi have improved since joining their respective teams. Other players who joined from the same leagues as them have not. Does that mean that outside of the strongest teams, PL football is actually weak?
Bundesliga is a one team league but not a farmers league, their teams generally perform well and better than English clubs until recent years in europe and they consistently develop the best young players in world football every season. Defo a very underrated league.
De Bruyne was at Chelsea and did get some sense of the Premier League before he was hauled off to Germany and then returning to England with City
I feel like most big signings flop, even from the prem elsewhere or within the same leagues. Hazard to Real, Sanchez to Man United, Fernando Torres at Chelsea, Griezmann to Barca, Coutinho to Barca, Bonucci to AC Milan, Drinkwater to Chelsea, Grealish to city, Maguire to United, Lingard's successful loan at West Ham then continued flop at United, etc. Different systems offer chances for different players to shine - which is more important for midfielders and defenders than attackers but still More significantly, the mental tole of making global news for a big transfer has a massive impact on young ppl. Playing in front of a new crowd, especially in England where fans are much less supportive, is always gonna affect people. Attackers miss a couple opportunities early on and it just spirals from there. Werner is a great example of a combination of system and confidence issues. He plays for a pretty defensive Chelsea side with more of a buildup play thing going on. He wasn't performing well, he was away from where he grew up, and he had new fans to impress. When professional footballers are missing from like 5 yards out consistently, you know its a confidence issue; they all have the capability of putting those away immediately. Put him at Leicester, though, and you'd likely see someone who's troubles being away from home and at a new club canceled out by a system that massively supports his get-in-behind style. Absolutely the prem is a difficult transition because of the increased quality, but people act like there's no other factors beyond a slight quality difference. It's more that big transfers generally don't live up to expectation. Plus, even those that flop from the Bundesliga often recover when they gain their momentum back (Dembele, Auba, Pulisic, Gundogan, Thiago kinda, Mkhitaryan, Calhanoglu, etc).
Halaand is proving the haters wrong he's the best striker in the world right now I imagine he wants to go to different clubs and mash it up
The Mentioning of Lukaku is a funny one..
At WBA he came through as player, then he went to Everton did well, got sold to the toffees next summer for nearly 40 million € did so well that he got sold to United for €85m did okay, but it in the he was a scape goat to an extent, let go to Inter Milan for €74m were he relived his prime from Everton/WBA, then only to fail miserably at Chelsea for 113m € when they couldve looked at United and seen hes a target man and not much else now, seriously weak on his first touch which made hil useless at United and now Chelsea..
But still the man scores goals when he gets going
I think it also comes down to the player themselves, Haaland is a physical phenomenon, fast, crazy string with a crazy shot. That’s a formula for success anywhere nevertheless on a side like city which will create for him like it’s nothing
I don't agree with the video. When players are expected to shoe horn into existing systems (Havertz, Werner, ), they struggle. But when the teams are built around the players, then of course they'll do better. Then there's factors such as coaching, the club environment and the pressures that come with it.
Yes, Klopp and Pep seem to be the only managers in england that know how to make use of Bundesliga players. Feels like these english clubs just splash cash on a player a hope they perform well. Sancho went from a free flowing attack at dortmund to a ManU that struggles to get in the opposition box. Aubameyang is a perfect example, great with Wenger, top scorer with Unai emery, can't get a shot on target with Arteta.
Some people in the comments didn't even let the video finish. This is not some discrediting of Erling Haaland's career. It is just an examination on how and why many players lose productivity when entering the Premier League, and what clubs have or could do to avoid such pitfalls.
I’d say it’s a stupid narrative about a league that didn’t sell its soul to foreign investors, I’d rather have 100 Bundesliga competitions than one foreign money Premier League competition.
Because the Premier League is a multicultural moneyhole with no playing style foundation.
This argument can be made about every single lead. Son used to play for Leverkusen and now is a star in England
how about the other way arround when players leave the premier league
Hm, when looking at the data, it would be more solid to look at overall performance changes firm and to every league. Moving to a different country, gaining trust in a totally different team and playing in a different league are factors that would throw off every human being, at least in the beginning.
So, is there a difference between French players moving to Italy? Is it bigger or worse than players moving the other way around? What about players from the PL moving to other leagues?
All of this seems very anecdotal and also uncontrolled for factors like source team, target team, age, number of prior county moves etc
In my personal opinion. Its just star players not being played to their strengths. Same with Pepe at lille vs arsenal.
So essentially the best thing to do is look at each signing as an individual and ignore where they came from?
Does this tax (reduction in stats/output) apply to defensive actions too?
Aubanmayang was great in his first few seasons only really falling off in the later stages of his arsenal career wouldn't you think?
the major reason is the incompatible style of play in the new club - most players don't consider that before joining. for example, sancho, lukaku.
Most managers don't consider that either. You gotta think, you can literally stop playing the game tomorrow if you get a bad foul. Wouldn't you take the most amount of money before you leave?
@@chillaxboi2109 I think with Liverpool & brentford in particular focusing on analytics and all, it might transcend to other clubs who will do similar. On the manager’s side, they usually believe players are adaptable, human trait, but they always realize it’s rarely the case in football
@@damola816 But I would guess said managers have a type of player that fits with their narrative and tactics. I just think it's counterproductive to aim for stars unless they tick a minimum of boxes. I think this type of behaviour is done to tactically weaken other European squads the same way they'd do domestic rivals.
I think that there is always a risk when players move to another club, not only from Bundesliga to Premier League. I'm not a fan of this narrative...
I'd be very interested to see this broken down how much performance variance there is when a player moves to a league in a country whose language they do not yet speak, as opposed to moving to one where they can speak fluently from day 1. I bet the isolation and confusion of not being able to easily communicate with teammates and coaches would likely be correlated to poorer performances.
The tax is simply because leagues manage differently. Germany is faster flowing and more tactical while England is slower and less scoring means it’s tough to adapt
"Is the epl overrated"
That's a video I'd like to see
Got to say, despite the G/A stats, Sancho was showing his class more often last season
Dejan kulusevski tho?? Give him a mention, he’s been crushing it!
Players that leave their clubs for the Premier league are usually star players of their respective clubs. Therefore, the tactical system is often build to support the star players and their individual strenghts.
When those players join Premier league clubs they are often just one of many and thus have to adapt to the system instead of the other way around. Of course players perform individually better when they are the center piece of their line up.
To be fair on average Bundesliga games have the highest amount of goals in general, so of course the numbers drop when moving to a less scoring league. Also dont a lot of players struggle when moving to a new team in their first season, no matter if they switch league?
can you guys make a video about nkunku i feel like he’s going to be one of the best attackers this season
Rice looked like a kid against Kimmich
can you handle pressure is what it boils down to
I feel the stats in the video are incomplete. If you compare the EPL to LA Liga, there's a larger drop off in stats than from LA Liga to EPL, basically meaning players from LA Liga have it easiest adapting to other leagues