Extrapolating out the point that the internet networks in recent years have become rather centralized rather than decentralized like when Trump won in 2016, it was likely a very important variable in Trump losing the election later in 2020, when this speech was made (beyond just covid being a thing). The centralized internet vastly disempowered the grassroots social media campaign Trump had in 2016, in 2020 people were spoon-fed what to think by the big social media monopolies.
Nice talk. He will be amazed about the next step in the evolution of the Internet. He thought that social network monopolies were bad and evil. Wait till we get the unstoppable decentralized networks. It will be like the current social networks on steroids. He will wish the FB came back, because it was at least manageable to some degree. Memes will rule the world.
I can forgive conservatives if they're smart enough. For the past 30 years I've been reading/watching him N.F. hasn't let me down. D.A., J.D., ultra-liberal NYC :-)
It used to be said. I might not agree with what you said, but I will defend your right to say it. Those days are gone , mention the unmentionables is liable to get you banned from using the sites, or have it deleted. On Utube its not uncommon to have comments disabled , on subjects deemed to contraversal.
The internet was free because the regulations kept it from privatization. For Denial Fergusson freedom is just the right of corporations to privatize and control the internet.
Oof, that last point he made - 'the founding fathers sufficiently guarded against a future demogogue usurping the consitution' - had me shouting 'no!' at the screen. Americans are rightly concerned about our lack of consensus on the integrity of our elections now, and we have good reason to think people will work in bad faith to subvert future elections while claiming that's what the other side is doing. That particular check and balance is in dire straits, and is a linchpin of functional democracy. Niall, at this point in time you were wrong about the damage to the country that the Trump presidency would create.
Because it’s not up to you or up to the end-user (creator) if you see it. It’s up to the platform to make it available, except when it’s not profitable. Then it’s the platforms job to show you things that make you profitable to it and hide things that make you less profitable, which changes it into a publisher. You are the product being sold to advertisers (and worse, no doubt). They are tallying engagement, including my response and even if you look at this but don’t respond. Tally it all to show that we are worth the price they are asking.
Because if you pass laws holding the platform liable then you can vastly increase overall government control giving the tower the advantage over the square. China has already done it. And wants to do it more. It makes Ferguson shiver. Yet he’s all on board with doing it here. Because obviously our authoritarians will be better blokes (although history says otherwise).
N. Ferguson may rattle as he will, it makes no difference. Suppose I am building an aeroplane. While I’m doing it, N. Ferguson is rattling that it won’t fly. I ignore him. I just keep on building my aeroplane, and it flies. The rattler keeps on rattling. So what? N. Ferguson may rattle as he will - don’t feed the troll. Paul Krugman said that too. N. Ferguson can’t stand that.
@40:00 this didn't age well, but he will never admit it. He was clever once, but hasn't been able to keep up with the speed of history for over a decade - and we all know that was forever ago now. He's a fairly good historian, he needs to go back to some other century to potter about in.
Please spare us so many Niall Ferguson video clips. His opinions have no worth. He is a mouthpiece for the establishment. He does not have intellectual integrity.
It looks like he took a class of Italian and wants to show off. Also, I don't think Italians needed a British to tell them what a tower means in terms of power symbology. I am pretty sure they knew it, when they build it. Also, I think they noticed it, being there in the last 600 years in EVERY FUCKIN ITALIAN TOWN. I think someone had plenty of time and looking for an idea for a new book during his last Italian holidays...
What exactly were you expecting ? A dance routine from NF perhaps or maybe a fireworks display,the BIG question is, how did you end up on this site and, even more to the point, who held that gun to your head and forced you to watch the whole thing ?
People should listen to this guy.
John Willis He is boring still at 12 minutes. He sure loves the sound of his own voice.
Ferguson starts at 7:00
thegrumpyhypnotist Thank you!
that background Niall is walking past is making my eyes hurt.
The lines in the background is making me cross eyed, had to change browser tab and just listen.
Extrapolating out the point that the internet networks in recent years have become rather centralized rather than decentralized like when Trump won in 2016, it was likely a very important variable in Trump losing the election later in 2020, when this speech was made (beyond just covid being a thing). The centralized internet vastly disempowered the grassroots social media campaign Trump had in 2016, in 2020 people were spoon-fed what to think by the big social media monopolies.
Nice talk.
He will be amazed about the next step in the evolution of the Internet.
He thought that social network monopolies were bad and evil.
Wait till we get the unstoppable decentralized networks.
It will be like the current social networks on steroids.
He will wish the FB came back, because it was at least manageable to some degree.
Memes will rule the world.
Memes are far better than Oligarchs and Monopolies that censor all dissent.
@@CJinsoo That is without realizing that the ones who control the memes are oligarchs and monopolies
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I can forgive conservatives if they're smart enough. For the past 30 years I've been reading/watching him N.F. hasn't let me down.
D.A., J.D., ultra-liberal NYC :-)
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Did you retweet Russian content too? Just checking the data
It used to be said. I might not agree with what you said, but I will defend your right to say it. Those days are gone , mention the unmentionables is liable to get you banned from using the sites, or have it deleted. On Utube its not uncommon to have comments disabled , on subjects deemed to contraversal.
6:50
He starts speaking
Too late. I already paid
The internet was free because the regulations kept it from privatization. For Denial Fergusson freedom is just the right of corporations to privatize and control the internet.
Right on the money
He got the year wrong on Westphalia, as he said it was 1548. It was a century later.
Oof, that last point he made - 'the founding fathers sufficiently guarded against a future demogogue usurping the consitution' - had me shouting 'no!' at the screen. Americans are rightly concerned about our lack of consensus on the integrity of our elections now, and we have good reason to think people will work in bad faith to subvert future elections while claiming that's what the other side is doing.
That particular check and balance is in dire straits, and is a linchpin of functional democracy. Niall, at this point in time you were wrong about the damage to the country that the Trump presidency would create.
Why is it an anachronism to hold end-users solely responsible for the content they produce?
Because it’s not up to you or up to the end-user (creator) if you see it. It’s up to the platform to make it available, except when it’s not profitable. Then it’s the platforms job to show you things that make you profitable to it and hide things that make you less profitable, which changes it into a publisher. You are the product being sold to advertisers (and worse, no doubt). They are tallying engagement, including my response and even if you look at this but don’t respond. Tally it all to show that we are worth the price they are asking.
Because if you pass laws holding the platform liable then you can vastly increase overall government control giving the tower the advantage over the square. China has already done it. And wants to do it more. It makes Ferguson shiver. Yet he’s all on board with doing it here. Because obviously our authoritarians will be better blokes (although history says otherwise).
N. Ferguson may rattle as he will, it makes no difference.
Suppose I am building an aeroplane. While I’m doing it, N. Ferguson is rattling that it won’t fly. I ignore him. I just keep on building my aeroplane, and it flies. The rattler keeps on rattling. So what?
N. Ferguson may rattle as he will - don’t feed the troll. Paul Krugman said that too. N. Ferguson can’t stand that.
Too much rattling
I realized how wrong I was very late
I’m not allowed to be on the Facebook network, they closed down my account.
I don’t think they like me very much, at Facebook.
Good job!
@40:00 this didn't age well, but he will never admit it. He was clever once, but hasn't been able to keep up with the speed of history for over a decade - and we all know that was forever ago now. He's a fairly good historian, he needs to go back to some other century to potter about in.
Please spare us so many Niall Ferguson video clips. His opinions have no worth. He is a mouthpiece for the establishment. He does not have intellectual integrity.
Homer Simpson does not say "well boh!"...
D'oh!!
Hierarchies are natural and inevitable
It looks like he took a class of Italian and wants to show off.
Also, I don't think Italians needed a British to tell them what a tower means in terms of power symbology.
I am pretty sure they knew it, when they build it.
Also, I think they noticed it, being there in the last 600 years in EVERY FUCKIN ITALIAN TOWN.
I think someone had plenty of time and looking for an idea for a new book during his last Italian holidays...
Niall Ferguson is highly overrated but his books are pretty good.
Oh this is just gross. How did I stumble on this
Boring
What exactly were you expecting ? A dance routine from NF perhaps or maybe a fireworks display,the BIG question is, how did you end up on this site and, even more to the point, who held that gun to your head and forced you to watch the whole thing ?
@@MrBoreray don’t feed the trolls
@@MrBoreray it was a bit boring..