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also in the video I said it was an early 50s mission, I meant to say 60s thats my bad.
Np GS :)
@Growling Sidewinder Your fighting skills in the MiG make me wonder if you are the resurrected Vietnamese ace, Colonel Tomb.
May I ask what server this was? I recently just did the free trial of mig 21 and I want a server where it would be fair to use it but I Want pvp... hard to find filled servers like this
1975 at least with those Aphids :)
@@CakePrincessCelestia and mig 21 bis and F-5E tiger 2. That have AIM 9Ps
I mean, if your aircraft has no advantages, you create one. That's what the ambush is all about.
This wasn't supposed to talk down the MiG, it's a great aircraft, I was just talking about the tactics. It applies to any aircraft. As GS says, dogfighting is never fair, you give yourself any advantage you can
Better power to weight, more missles (but not better) better radar with IFF, better top speed the MiG 21Bis has a slight edge over the F-5 in cold war servers and in the hand of good pilots will beat good F-5s in a dogfight 1 on 1
@@crazygmanssimstuff I was the reason why both the US Navy and US Air Force radically changed the approach towards dogfighting and how legendary flight schools like TOPGUN were born. It's for good reason both me and my older brother the MiG 17 are considered iconic aircraft that changed the dogfighting game in the Cold War overnight in Vietnam.
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t most from ground fire.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 Having used 1200 Mig21 Bisons at point of time in our Air Force, I can confirm.
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t US lost 31% of jets to the iconic SA-2 (S-75) which were also responsible for accurate ground gun fire(60% of shoot downs) with their radars.
My father flew the MiG-21 from 1984 to 1987 and was an instructor at the Higher Military Aviation School in Barnaul. A beautiful plane, although according to him it flies like a file :)
What do you mean by flies like a file?
@@kimbertumen4382 Heavy and sluggish, always on the stick and pedals I'm guessing but I'll wait for the man's confirmation lol
@@kimbertumen4382 A file isn't very aerodynamic.
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In soviet russia you still flew 1950’s aircraft in the late 80’s, incredible :’)
The terrain-hugging Mig-21ambush approach was enough of a threat that the West developed look-down radar and datalink systems to counter it, which first proved their worth in the Bekka Valley Turkey Shoot. In a contemporary setting, it is a way for Noobs to die, but something to really watch out for in a historical WW1 thru Vietnam scenarios.
So is this how he remained hidden from radar? Because he was too low for it? Do the radars from this era only pick up planes above a certain altitude? Would they pick up a plane on his 6?
@@pumpknhd this is very oversimplified but here goes.
Broadly speaking flying low reduces the range at which ground radars can detect planes due to curvature of the earth, clutter and terrain ext.
Flying low also makes it harder for airborne radars, again because of clutter. Remember also these are relatively crude radars of the 50/60s.
In this case, he's low to make it hard for the ground radars to see him. The f5, like most planes, only has a front facing radar so as he comes in from behind they can only detect him visually or by his radar emissions.
@@b2spirita That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
Worked really fucking well in Vietnam
Aka snake in the grass
The last time I was this early the Foxbat was considered a high performance air superiority fighter.
@@timothybayliss6680 Yeah, they have perfect proportions... 80% massive turbojets, 20% body with curvy and pointy ends.
Foxbats were recon jets, no? They were high speed, yep.
@@nucleargandhi101 they were designed as interceptors
@@weaponsgradepotato We used them for recon back before we established our satellite networks. TBH those jets gave better and clearer picture than satellite 1000's of Km above the ground.
They are interceptors...🚶🚶🚶
Hello from Krasnodar, I live there. That's not a lake, but water reservoir
hmm, learned something new today.
I absolute f*cking love the MiG-21. Haven't flown it on a server yet but engaged an F-4 in BFM, entered into a rolling scissors - popped the airbrakes he slid right in front of my pipper. It's such a buzz killing other aircraft in the 21.
I think that “bait” was me😥
sorry buddy, you did a great job as bait tho? not sure if thats comforting at all lol.
@@GrowlingSidewinder i am playing a lotta war thunder with a 4 squad and believe me, being the bait and seeing the enemy getting jumped by 3 mig19s is so rewarding.
The F5’s base : where is he ?
F5 pov : and now ladies and gentlemen, there’s come the low pass !
GS : enemy spotted...
There's just something about old Soviet jets that I love. They're adorable, intimidating, and its fun to promote myself to General Secretary of the Soviet Union after I shoot down my 3rd A-4.
Agreed, though I find their charm in different areas. I always loved how the earlier MiGs were just these slab sided monstrosities that used sheer brute force to take to the skies. It's a give no shits attitude and I always imagined them as large, albeit slightly clumsy, dragons of the skies.
For me it’s morbid curiousity as they look so weird, inferior and underbudgeted
Honestly, this is how you do it. By ambushing and avoiding a dogfight. Erich Hartmann did this, who is the highest scoring fighter pilot of all time
Right. That’s how you survive in the long term. Hartmann was by many accounts a below average pilot in terms of handling his aircraft. Crashed numerous times on landing as well. Never heard anything remarkable about his dogfighting ability either.
He was just very cautious, calm, and hide a knack for setting up ambushes and outwitting his opponents.
Yeah greatest pilot of all time, I don’t think anyone will ever beat him since dogfights isn’t even a thing anymore
@@Rokaize Exactly. There were pilots who were way more skilled at actually piloting, Hans Joachim Marseille for example, but Hartmann's prowess was his great teamwork abilities and ambush tactics. He wasn't even that good of a marksman, he would only start firing once he's point blank.
Yet he's the highest scoring ace. Truth is, aerial combat is tactics and trickery more than sheer dogfighting.
@@nikolakaravida9670 Right. No matter how good of a dog fighter you are, eventually you will make a mistake or just not notice someone on your tail. Just a matter of time. Hartmann fought in such a way that he always had the advantage and tried to avoid a fight where he might actually be outclassed by his opponents due to his fairly mediocre piloting ability.
Cheap? Yeah. “Dishonorable”? Sure. But it worked and was a big part of him surviving the whole war.
The double kill was radical. Boom, boom... Second guy had no time to respond either. Nice video my dude.
This is why you don’t get your formation and tactics from Hollywood. People flying so close together in a tactical environment 🤦♂️
That was filthy 😍 I imagine they shat themselves 🤯
I remember watching some Soviet airforce film footage back in the 70s which showed a MiG-21 firing two missiles one after the other. One was heat seeking while the other was radar guided. The claim was that this was done to make it harder for NATO pilots to deal with. From what read it may something to do with the unreliability of the missiles.
@@ser43_OLDC Thanks
I like the story about how the US had a harder time filtering out the Russian flares with their IR seekers because theirs were dirty and didn't burn as hot as pure magnesium
I’m kinda confused by what you mean. The Russian flares didn’t burn as hot and the US sensor were dirty? The flares were dirty and not as hot? I don’t get it.
@@SPFLDAngler Russian flares didn't burn through fully and had slightly lower IR signature that what American Seekers were designed to filter out.
Proud of you to get the best out of me, GS. Love you so much for this. The best pilots who flew me were aerial Ninjas.
If I knew GS was on the server, I'd just eject after takeoff, save myself the terror and humiliation.
What a coward are you... 😉 and you wouldn't get in to the show also.
Jester, what are you doing here commenting on GS's channel? Go back to the Tomcat's back
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 You stole my joke ! ☹️
He isn’t a coward if he is afraid of gs he knows his capabilities and happens to be smart
@@yahitzamuniz9055 he is not a coward, but he is afraid... OK... 😁 he prefers to surrender rather then trying to struggle - fine position, but tastes a little bit of French to me... and I think he is disrespecting us all, cause he won't get in the GS TH-cam show and bring some lessons to us all. 😉
I love these 60s engagements. A mixture of close range missiles and gunfire
“He was doing pretty well there.....until he wasn’t”
GS, you almost made me wake up my entire household.
Don’t know why I found that so funny, but 🤷♂️
> early 1950's mission
> we're flying a 1970 aircraft
The radar lock sound of the MIG-21 is haunting not gonna lie
Ah the beautiful mig21. I remember seeing one take off at night when i was younger. That blue flame was really beautiful. I wish the ED added tejas, would be neat to pit it against the plane it was built to replace. Great video as always
So when he flies F-5 he cleans the sky of MiG-21s, when he flies MiG-21 the F-5s are raining down.
I have the FC3 Planes, The Mirage, the F-5, the F-14 the Viggen... and this... this Bucket of bolts is the plane I normally take to the skies in.
I just love this quirky POS.
"Unreliable Fox-2s"
You ain't seen nothing until you use those thins (Yes, the R3) on the F-14.
I need more Vietnam era planes to fly.
Really liked this video--commentary was solid and the cinematic of taking down the two F-5s was excellent
The inside of the Mig-21 cockpit looks amazing with the lighting. DCS is pure eye candy.
Everyone - Its a Mig 21 bison.
Me - Nah! Its Falcon Slayer.
F16 took a day off
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Motherland greets comrade GS and thanks him a lot for the great service!
P.S. Have no idea how people think that 21th was a dogfighter, because it has never been. It's a perfect interceptor and this is what the concept's keystone was. It's like Messerschmitt 109's heritage: hit and run, go vertical, go aggressive.
This guy is so damn good at this game , few beat him. I like how he shows off what each plane can do
RIP to that school those 2 F-5s splashed down on...
No AI bots were injured in this video, just some humans feelings now and again :)
The mig 21 is truly a beautiful aircraft, I love ur video dude!
You have made the people proud dear comrade!! Your mastery of the Mig is devastating to our enemy!! The Americans weep when they see you coming!! Well done!!!
Russian tricolor doesn't have anything to do with this plane. Red banner was the flag of the country that produced it.
@@Harlequin43 SO let me straighten you out. The Tri Color flag is all he has to represent Russia in the Perks Emoji. SO CALM YOUR SELF DOWN>>>>GO HUG MOMMY!!!Those are the Perk Emojs for this channel...DOUCHE!
Congrats. You have finally become the dream that every DCS player wants to fulfill. Mainly being that one asshole who shoots down hornets in the 21.
Best video in at least 18 months man. big ups. exciting and interesting
Love mig-21 content
You are an ace pilot for the day.
GS must take a shot of vodka everytime he makes splash.
That double kill was so sick
That IR lock tone sounds like a very early computer's interpretation of an opera singer.
Heh. If my Wingman dies, he dies...
Using a lead ship as bait was standard back then, of course they had more than two though in the good old "wagon wheel" setup.
nice video, I kinda like the change to servers and PvP stuff and also using the Mig 21 like it was used before, that was interesting.
I need more MiG-21vs F-5 in my life, but you flying the Tiger.. Or better yet, MiG-21 v F-4 with you in the Phantom, hell yeah we need a follow up to that one!
Ah, the old high-low ambush, Charlie style.
Early 1950s mission so we have mig-21bis and f-5e from 1972
Love your stuff keep up the good work!
That cool "Predator" style three dots in a upper-right corner!
Man I love the GS vs, other random players videos, but the Dogfight videos are also awesome! But I do wish we would see these kinds of videos more often :)
cool plane. I wish there was more content for the Mig21 in DCS.
Ha ha. I live in Krasnodar not too far from the air base. In fact from my work I can often hear planes warming up. We also have a couple Mig-21s converted to monuments are the end of my street.
Really cool, need to see more of your treachery in PvP servers! 😈
some call it ambush tactics, others seal clubbing
now thats what iam talking about... MIG-21
I feel like you should use your DCS connections and push for an F-105, and F-4 along with a route pack 6 north vietnam map. DCS already has the Mig 15, 19, & 21 so some great campaigns could come from this.
Here is your hit and run for the TH-cam algorithm
Entertaining video. What would be impressive is how many 21s it takes to kill a raptor.
The pk of the amramm is 50% and 25% with evasion, then 10% with terrain masking. Two low altitude mig 21s should be able to kill a aggressive raptor.
I know you'll say it's impossible but you should be able to kill f22s with 1960s jets.
Anything can kill anything if the circumstances align, and the fishbed is capable enough to remain a factor for a good few decades more, especially with awacs support.
Its limited space for a radar does limjt it heavily.
Big fan of the multiplayer. Keep it up if you feel like it.
Wonder what veteran MIG-21 pilots think about this video.
When you fight you have speed and turning, climbing and diving. If you cannot win at any you need to teamwork and create bait and hunter roles. If nothing else works you need to evade like a mosquito and have perfect aiming skills if the target is a few miliseconds in front of you.
In other words, if he dies, he dies.
More multiplayer pvp like this plz u killing it GS love ya brother
Gratz on the new PC.that 3080 is a beast!!!
Loved the video bro
Would love to see you try out the Viggen platform. Mig-21 vs Viggen and Viggen strike missions:)
Havent flown the F5 yet, but I always feel like the 21 has the edge when flying it. Except for dogfights. You can even load 8 fox1s and be as effective as a flight of four F5s
Early 50s server, but an early 70s MiG-21... Hmmm. =)
4:12 DOUBLE KILL! (read in UT Announcer voice)
I love the 50/60s fighters because just think these planes are about 50 years old now like wtf
Loved this video. I wouldn't mine more PvP Ss kicking.
Talking about aircraft visibility it'd be interesting to see a Video with the Folland Gnat. I read somewhere Indian pilots had a devil of a time keeping eye's on them.
you absolutely can dogfight F-5 in MiG-21, look for Rossmum's twitch.
As a Retired Navy service member,I I watch all of your videoes. Thank you for your service sir, even if you never served.
No one out “one turn” fights GS and his gun snap shots
Great vid ! Are you using R-60 or R-60M's ? I awlays turn the radar off and as well you can remove the net on the "hud" by pushing the little lever on the bottom of the grey sqare under the gun sight.
I've seen you fly just about every aircraft on the DCS menu. How do you remember all the switches, buttons, for all these different aircraft? I find it immensely hard to remember what does what for each plane to the point that I can not even enjoy flying. I know there must be a way to simplify everything. I have the Thrustmaster Warthog and just looking at all the possible combinations of switches is off putting.
Most aircraft from the same country have a similar control-flow and the systems generally work the same.
If you stick to one of them long enough, you'll be very familiar with it.
And other things just straight up are basically the same across the board (with exceptions).
For example: To use a weapon you will generally have to unlock the master arm and select the correct pylons to the corresponding weapons.
The flow is basically the same for every aircraft.
Now it's just a matter of understanding what you want to do so you actually know what to look for.
Once you get the hang of systems operations and different methods of ordonnance delivery it gets easier.
Master one aircraft and then go "up" in that line.
If you hadn't pointed it out in your video where you talked about your PC upgrade, I wouldn't even have noticed it. But now I can't unsee all the rubber banding going on. I'm sure the 3080 will improve upon that.
7:50 ah... a good old karma
That Fishbed looks very stealthy...
(GS uploads new vid)Best moment of the day!!!!!!
Lotta columns of smoke in the ol' lake country today...
This mig21 bison has shot down an F16 in real time I would say it's not the plane but the pilot that makes the aircraft superior
My favorite era of aircraft development. Late 30s/50s just had some amazing designs
If only warthunder sim worked this good
I'm using him as bait, perhaps best phrased as I'm positioned to optimally cover my wingman :-)!
Another awesome video!!! What is the title of the piano song you play?? I love it!! Thank you for helping to make my life better by being funny and making me laugh! Outstanding pilot!!!
2:50+ Its not that missiles are unreliable, its that they have limited range. Launching R-60 at ranges greater than 1.5 km (or 1 km when bogey is running) on deck is not going to work. R-60 can maneuver but it cant really chase. R-13M / M1 while have a bit better range, are not as maneuverable as R-60. So you need to know your missile performance and optimal launch conditions.
Great to see one of the devs chiming in here :)
Very nice !
Could you explain the difference between the one circle and two circle?
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Old tradition of ambush tactics from MiG21 to Su27...
Your videos are sick.
....This kind of scenarios happened often over Korea and the early phases of the Vietnam conflict. Then the US invented something called BVR combined whit AWACS tehnology. Since then ww2 style dogfighting performed with jets remained the privilege of the flyers fighting for the freedom of the open Savanah in Africa ...anywhere else who ever tried to challenge was unable to make home for dinner to be able to talk about it....
Umm MiG-21 was not a thing in Korea. Learn the history.
@@rokog5308 hi I was taking about the tactics used not the type s of aircraft - Korea was the swansong of piston driven fighters and the dawn of the modern jet fighter which used clasic WW2 dogfight tehnics .as i said. The MIG 21 was an Vietnam era fighter.
Hey I always like watching the online content as I started playing about 6 months ago and am not the best
early 50s F-5? wasn't the F-5 from the early 60s?
yes it was a mistake in the video I should have said 60s
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Love the videos but just have a question - does DCS have have the F4? Have never seen a F4 video.
It does not, unfortunately. I believe one of the third party studios have said the intend to develop an F-4 module, but I doubt we'll see so much as a release date before the end of 2022. Next three modules we're expecting to see are the Hind, the Apache, and the Strike Eagle.
This is like JAWS
That was fun
Can you do a video on how to get the fight you want. Like if you want 2 circle how do you keep the other guy from doing a 1 circle. Or if you dont want to go vertical and the other guy wants to what do you do? Stuff like that
Imagine Romanian army still have mig-21 last gen of them in the air forces