I absolutely agree with varying bet sizing according to the game dynamics. Betting consistently no matter the situation is a recipe for disaster in my opinion.
LOL! I love it. This is actually the hardest part of becoming a winning player. Realizing that you NEED this...This is why BR management is so important. Umm I think it's pretty hard to play this hand incorrectly. I like just flatting flop. I felt like he had AQ or QQ/AK and he just didn't want to 4 bet pre based on what you said. Once he pots turn yeah man just get it in(he's saying he's committed)... But your hand and how the board is on the turn if he bet 200-250 I don't see any need to raise. Sometimes players at these levels lose their minds. Just allow it when the time is right
Think clue to this hand was villains long pause to call the 3 bet. Kt is a very fishy call some peeps like to see a flop. If it was suited even harder to release. Sick beat
I think, Hero played this just fine. We cant represent a bluff by raising on a board this dry, so we need to make it look like, we have an ace, and that his hand is either good, or that we might be willing to fold to further pressure on later streets. And we do this obviously by calling, because this is, what we would do with hands like AK or AJ. We should be on the good side of a cooler here most of the time, but money will go in regardless in that situation. So the important is still how to maximize the times, where he does have something strange like a gutshot, the case ace or whatever, it might be. As for the Villain he clearly made a long term losing play, so just suck it up, say "nice hand" and look forward to play the next one. Dont ever mourn about, how badly he played, because you want him to continue playing and continue making the same kind of bad losing plays.
Bart, your analysis seemed contradictory at the end. If Villains range has no hands that fire a turn bet, then how can it make sense for hero to just call the flop? By raising the flop, hero folds out hands "that won't be firing a turn bet", but that's self evidently fine. There's no loss in folding out hands th at won't bluff again. If villain has a real hand, QQ, AK, AQ, he calls a flop raise and we get paid. I understand your logic that the flop + the preflop action means there are outstandingly few draws to fear, but doesn't that also mean there are outstandingly few reasons for a semi-bluff to barrel again. If he won't barrel, we're done getting paid, so why not fire the flop raise? It just ends a hand that wasn't going to pay more anyways.
Not necessarily. A flop raise here looks extremely strong. If I were V I could certainly see myself bet folding AK here because what am I beating that raises me? Hell I could see myself folding A3 to some players. A value raise on this board after being the 3 better and getting bet into is ridiculously strong. There are, however plenty of hands that could improve a bit that will check call. On this exact run out AJ is now calling. Maybe V was turning JJ into a bluff and thinks he got lucky. Maybe instead of K10 V has KJs, the board brings two of his suit, and now he's got a gutter to a straight and a flush draw. A raise should fold out everything except 2 pair + which you'd have a pretty good chance of stacking anyway, whereas a call allows V to pick up some random equity on bluffs and value hands that would have folded to a flop raise.
I'm late to this hand, but i have this same question...it feels like a flop raise gets called by worse hands, but folds from draws that won't bet again. It's true that a raise slows down other aces but there's not many of those hands left now. Only exception is if you think V is willing to barrel if he thinks you're on a lone ace pair.
@@williamzagarella8066 had to rewatch this video to remind myself! I personally wouldn’t raise the flop because it’s such a dry board. But Bart discussed making it $250 so I guess there’s some merit to raising? Like I say, I’d just flat.
@@nicks210684 I dont mind the raise sometimes because if hes bluffing I dont see him continuing on turn if he has value you're getting the money either way. We call for the sole purpose of keeping bluffs in. If you think he doesnt have many then the raise is perfectly fine. I just dont see how many hands he can have here when we block all the top pairs. I mean there is only 3 combos of AQo or suited and I think 1 of A3ss. Hes heavily weighted towards bluffs.
@@williamzagarella8066 your exactly right….12 out of 13 times you want to get a flop and a turn call…..and on top of that a certain percentage of the river are going to try and bluff
Well. No one tells the story, but the river was a Jx so hero wins the pot. (Why didnt we see the river card..) Even against a straight a set has 20% equity. Never a bad play here as the hero.
Looks like V has 3 combo of AQ and 3 combo of QQs. Rarely, they would have AK. In the first two scenario, Hero almost always win, or very rarely, lost to Quart Queens in later street, but could win a Jackpot lol..
It's not bizarre lead out at all. People have the "don't be afraid" mentality so pocket pairs will lead into these boards cause they don't want to show fear or weakness, not perplexing at all. Min raise the flop.
It is perplexing game theory wise, no hands should be flatting a 3b out of position here that would want to donk that flop due to how ranges are constructed
Villains range is heavy on one pair hands. Qx Ax For this reason we shouldn't raise the flop because he will just fold. Do you think this is a good way of looking at this spot or am I missing something. Then if villain turns two pair he can actually then proablly call a raise which gets us paid. If villain has Ace jack or queen jack he proablly folds both of those hands to a flop raise. But after the turn he might call a raise with those same hands.
This is why hold 'em, especially no limit hold 'em is such a terrible game. The moron always wins. If you played like that you'd get crucified but not the moron. This is sooo common.
This hand just comes across as a bad beat story. Raising the flop seems pretty bad bc we end up folding out any airball bluffs like the guy ended up having and anything like AK, AQ, QQ and 33 are all going to continue on the turn anyway. Jamming the turn after the guy bets like 55% of his stack is completely reasonable. Dunno what there is to talk about in this hand. Like, at all.
Agree,i dont get Barts logic of "bluffs arent going to continue on the turn" well they may pick up more equity and barrel.If they stay as airballs and check then we just bet and knock them out at that point.
I was the guy with K10 that owned this dweeb LOL. After the hand I was like NICE ONE DWEEEEB YOU GOT PWNEDD NEWBB and gut punched him. This hand needs no analysis this NEWBB is still Gasing Over this beat and wants sympathy thats why he called in.
I think we should give the villain credit for donk betting a blocker bet. Yeah he sucks, yeah he got lucky, but he should get a little recognition for the blocker bet.
Wrong. Blocker bets only really apply on the river, and donking in 3 bet pots is just bad, so there's literally no credit at all, also calling a 3 bet with KT pre is very bad too. So literally no credit whatsoever, 2 bad decisions and he got lucky
@@johnyates1376 You can have a blocking bet on any street. But the blocking bet is supposed to be smaller than what the opponent would bet. Betting $100 into a $150 pot on that dry a flop would be a terrible blocking bet. So yeah, I agree the villain was out to lunch and just got lucky... :-D
The guy calling in, was trying to tell a bad beat story. Bart’s response “oh, ok well that’s going to happen”.
I absolutely agree with varying bet sizing according to the game dynamics. Betting consistently no matter the situation is a recipe for disaster in my opinion.
I feel like what to do here is pretty obvious
River paired the board?
Hey bart! I've always loved your commentary and analysis from the early days in cash plays. So glad to get new content from you!
LOL! I love it. This is actually the hardest part of becoming a winning player. Realizing that you NEED this...This is why BR management is so important. Umm I think it's pretty hard to play this hand incorrectly. I like just flatting flop. I felt like he had AQ or QQ/AK and he just didn't want to 4 bet pre based on what you said. Once he pots turn yeah man just get it in(he's saying he's committed)... But your hand and how the board is on the turn if he bet 200-250 I don't see any need to raise. Sometimes players at these levels lose their minds. Just allow it when the time is right
Think clue to this hand was villains long pause to call the 3 bet. Kt is a very fishy call some peeps like to see a flop. If it was suited even harder to release. Sick beat
I think, Hero played this just fine. We cant represent a bluff by raising on a board this dry, so we need to make it look like, we have an ace, and that his hand is either good, or that we might be willing to fold to further pressure on later streets. And we do this obviously by calling, because this is, what we would do with hands like AK or AJ.
We should be on the good side of a cooler here most of the time, but money will go in regardless in that situation. So the important is still how to maximize the times, where he does have something strange like a gutshot, the case ace or whatever, it might be.
As for the Villain he clearly made a long term losing play, so just suck it up, say "nice hand" and look forward to play the next one. Dont ever mourn about, how badly he played, because you want him to continue playing and continue making the same kind of bad losing plays.
Bart, your analysis seemed contradictory at the end. If Villains range has no hands that fire a turn bet, then how can it make sense for hero to just call the flop? By raising the flop, hero folds out hands "that won't be firing a turn bet", but that's self evidently fine. There's no loss in folding out hands th at won't bluff again.
If villain has a real hand, QQ, AK, AQ, he calls a flop raise and we get paid.
I understand your logic that the flop + the preflop action means there are outstandingly few draws to fear, but doesn't that also mean there are outstandingly few reasons for a semi-bluff to barrel again. If he won't barrel, we're done getting paid, so why not fire the flop raise? It just ends a hand that wasn't going to pay more anyways.
Not necessarily. A flop raise here looks extremely strong. If I were V I could certainly see myself bet folding AK here because what am I beating that raises me? Hell I could see myself folding A3 to some players. A value raise on this board after being the 3 better and getting bet into is ridiculously strong. There are, however plenty of hands that could improve a bit that will check call. On this exact run out AJ is now calling. Maybe V was turning JJ into a bluff and thinks he got lucky. Maybe instead of K10 V has KJs, the board brings two of his suit, and now he's got a gutter to a straight and a flush draw. A raise should fold out everything except 2 pair + which you'd have a pretty good chance of stacking anyway, whereas a call allows V to pick up some random equity on bluffs and value hands that would have folded to a flop raise.
I'm late to this hand, but i have this same question...it feels like a flop raise gets called by worse hands, but folds from draws that won't bet again. It's true that a raise slows down other aces but there's not many of those hands left now.
Only exception is if you think V is willing to barrel if he thinks you're on a lone ace pair.
This is what happens to me all the time. What do you do when it always costs you your stack to be a thinking player?
Did he hit the Q or 3 or J on the river? Hero still had 9 outs for the 🚢. I guess not...
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No river. What a great hand
ummm, what happened to the river?
This call-in seemed like a very thinly veiled bad beat story. Strategically, I think this hand is about as straight-forward as it gets.
The only question is whether to raise the flop.
@@nicks210684 clearly not. He wants K10 in there lmao hell hit that J 1 out of every 14 times. Il take my chance.
@@williamzagarella8066 had to rewatch this video to remind myself!
I personally wouldn’t raise the flop because it’s such a dry board.
But Bart discussed making it $250 so I guess there’s some merit to raising? Like I say, I’d just flat.
@@nicks210684 I dont mind the raise sometimes because if hes bluffing I dont see him continuing on turn if he has value you're getting the money either way. We call for the sole purpose of keeping bluffs in. If you think he doesnt have many then the raise is perfectly fine. I just dont see how many hands he can have here when we block all the top pairs. I mean there is only 3 combos of AQo or suited and I think 1 of A3ss. Hes heavily weighted towards bluffs.
@@williamzagarella8066 your exactly right….12 out of 13 times you want to get a flop and a turn call…..and on top of that a certain percentage of the river are going to try and bluff
Well. No one tells the story, but the river was a Jx so hero wins the pot. (Why didnt we see the river card..) Even against a straight a set has 20% equity. Never a bad play here as the hero.
Looks like V has 3 combo of AQ and 3 combo of QQs. Rarely, they would have AK. In the first two scenario, Hero almost always win, or very rarely, lost to Quart Queens in later street, but could win a Jackpot lol..
Just finish the video and I think I read it totally wrong lamo
It's not bizarre lead out at all. People have the "don't be afraid" mentality so pocket pairs will lead into these boards cause they don't want to show fear or weakness, not perplexing at all. Min raise the flop.
It is perplexing game theory wise, no hands should be flatting a 3b out of position here that would want to donk that flop due to how ranges are constructed
Villains range is heavy on one pair hands. Qx Ax For this reason we shouldn't raise the flop because he will just fold. Do you think this is a good way of looking at this spot or am I missing something. Then if villain turns two pair he can actually then proablly call a raise which gets us paid. If villain has Ace jack or queen jack he proablly folds both of those hands to a flop raise. But after the turn he might call a raise with those same hands.
Legend has it the river was an Ace…..
Just all in on the flop, otherwise we might lose!!!!!!
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Move all in on turn
This is why hold 'em, especially no limit hold 'em is such a terrible game. The moron always wins. If you played like that you'd get crucified but not the moron. This is sooo common.
wow..Villan is such a LAG. must be rich.
this is la most likely-----high variance and bad beats with all the rich lags
This hand just comes across as a bad beat story. Raising the flop seems pretty bad bc we end up folding out any airball bluffs like the guy ended up having and anything like AK, AQ, QQ and 33 are all going to continue on the turn anyway. Jamming the turn after the guy bets like 55% of his stack is completely reasonable. Dunno what there is to talk about in this hand. Like, at all.
Agree,i dont get Barts logic of "bluffs arent going to continue on the turn" well they may pick up more equity and barrel.If they stay as airballs and check then we just bet and knock them out at that point.
Gahhh this caller is bloody ears
Probably K10spades
I was the guy with K10 that owned this dweeb LOL. After the hand I was like NICE ONE DWEEEEB YOU GOT PWNEDD NEWBB and gut punched him. This hand needs no analysis this NEWBB is still Gasing Over this beat and wants sympathy thats why he called in.
I think we should give the villain credit for donk betting a blocker bet. Yeah he sucks, yeah he got lucky, but he should get a little recognition for the blocker bet.
Gino Sokol it's not really a blocker bet since he bets as much or more than we may have bet
Wrong. Blocker bets only really apply on the river, and donking in 3 bet pots is just bad, so there's literally no credit at all, also calling a 3 bet with KT pre is very bad too. So literally no credit whatsoever, 2 bad decisions and he got lucky
@@johnyates1376 You can have a blocking bet on any street. But the blocking bet is supposed to be smaller than what the opponent would bet. Betting $100 into a $150 pot on that dry a flop would be a terrible blocking bet. So yeah, I agree the villain was out to lunch and just got lucky... :-D