Thanks for the comparison, I enjoyed your video. I was close to auto-buy this in Essen, but more and more negatives came up in multiple videos that make me think, although the great main-part with the tech tree. Negatives others mentioned: a) tokens on wooden things, as you also mentioned. b) Map tiles are almost similar and it does not lead to much interaction. Just discover a new one and its probably close to the one where you could also go. No need to fight with one opponent (or beat him in a race to the tile) c) The player powers are imbalanced: e.g The Person who can take the population directly from the inactive side is rather overpowered, whereas e.g. the person who can fortify easily has a rather weak power. How would you rate "negatives" b) and c) from your perspective? Are these points you also recognized? Thanks
I can't understand why they just didn't do wooden cubes instead of those goblets with tokens. Really bad design. That alone makes me think I'll skip this and just play BtS. What a shame.
just commenting to say that _technically_ the cubes in BtS are briefly considered dices, as there is that card you get that lets you roll one to get a different result, so over the course of enough games, each cube of each colour will have been a die at some point in its existence :D
Interesting, I really like the space bit, it gave more meaning to your tech choices and a real tension to what you were doing. It seems I am going to miss that.
I would say a cube is a die whenever all its faces are not identical, because then it has the capability to be rolled to generate a random outcome. I don't think it needs to be rolled to be a die, though, just like a bicycle doesn't need to be ridden to be a bicycle! :)
I'd say that, of course in the context of games, a cube (or other multi-faceted shape) is a die if at any point during gameplay there is a clear and distinct definition and knowledge of: 1. Whether it's in play (relevant for the game state) or not. 2. Which sides/facets is/are up/on/active/relevant and impacts the game state (must be >1 when in play), which aren't (must be >1), and how it's determined. 3. What each side/facet signifies and means for the game state. 4. There are more than 2 different (for the above previous criteria) sides/facets. The only case I'm a bit iffy on is the last one, where I exclude the supposed 2D dice. Technically there's no difference beside the number of different sides when you go to more than 2. But practically this would not only make coins be dice (which, technically may be true they're a type of, but meh), but also any double-sided tokens would be dice (which, fair if you think coins are fair, since there's no difference). While not wrong, it would make the definition wide enough to be useless and meaningless. There are technical contexts in which that would still make it a good definition, but not so much for boardgames. There's no need for a game term which is useless when describing games, practicality matters Where the rollability (is that a word?) of the shapes matters is not on whether the shapes are or aren't dice, but on whether the game with them is a dice game, rather than just a game that has dice in the component list. A game with dice that you don't roll still has dice (it's absolutely fine and correct to call them dice in the manual and in play, and in reviews) but it's not a dice game (no one who asks for a dice game, or talks about general aspects of dice games, would consider such a game relevant to the discussion).
Only played "The Sun" once. I liked it, but I wasn't a fan of the area majority stuff, or the absolutely enormous board that was far too difficult to read. The theme/art didn't pull my friends in either. Looks like I might be trading up for "Horizon" as it seems a much better fit, but the components seem not great. Teeny tiny cardboard discs are my least favourite things in all of board games. They need an upgrade for sure!
The subscriber pitch in this video was hilarious! 😂 The facial expressions had me laughing out loud. Well done, if I could resubscribe I absolutely would!
I was nervously anticipating this review as I pre-ordered this! Our tastes align so I was hoping you'd like it. I loved the tech tree in BTS but didn't like the lack of artwork and area control board. It's just a shame there are obvious components issues... every reviewer is tearing their hair out over those little tokens and there are spelling mistakes on the tiles
I think the game changes look pretty good, especially the level 4 techs being known from the start. The production does look a bit dodgy though (although did look better in your photos from the side than it did in the play throughs from JonGetsGames and slickerdrips).
This is one of the funniest videos you both did. The entire time I was cracking up. Are you both related or married or something? You both get along so well and are so entertaining
We’ve been together 12 years and married for 2 of them, so I am very happy we are getting along 😂 Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! That makes us happy 🤩
@@BoardGamingRamblings in that case, you both make such a fantastic couple. You’re banter and quick wit comments is so cute. I didn’t get a chance to finish the video. Do you like sun or horizon more? I wanted sun but the artwork was too bleh for me
You put art into an artless game and you chose Franz Klemens... why? 😂😂😂 I was gonna buy it but now that I see it's even uglier, I prefer the power point presentation style of the original.
I like you (and this review). Please don't cry.
Hahaha! I'll stop crying for now!
"If you enjoyed it for not having artwork you will not like this." 🤣
Hahahahaha :P
Honestly I prefer the look of beyond the sun. I like how all the dice/cubes 🤷 look on the board.
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Thanks for the comparison, I enjoyed your video. I was close to auto-buy this in Essen, but more and more negatives came up in multiple videos that make me think, although the great main-part with the tech tree.
Negatives others mentioned:
a) tokens on wooden things, as you also mentioned.
b) Map tiles are almost similar and it does not lead to much interaction. Just discover a new one and its probably close to the one where you could also go. No need to fight with one opponent (or beat him in a race to the tile)
c) The player powers are imbalanced: e.g The Person who can take the population directly from the inactive side is rather overpowered, whereas e.g. the person who can fortify easily has a rather weak power.
How would you rate "negatives" b) and c) from your perspective? Are these points you also recognized? Thanks
I can't understand why they just didn't do wooden cubes instead of those goblets with tokens. Really bad design. That alone makes me think I'll skip this and just play BtS. What a shame.
just commenting to say that _technically_ the cubes in BtS are briefly considered dices, as there is that card you get that lets you roll one to get a different result, so over the course of enough games, each cube of each colour will have been a die at some point in its existence :D
Not sure if having Klemens Franz artwork is better than having no artwork...
I didn't know so many people disliked his art. I have always enjoyed it :D
Interesting, I really like the space bit, it gave more meaning to your tech choices and a real tension to what you were doing. It seems I am going to miss that.
Might not be for you, and that is of course ok as well. So many games :)
Why did you guys get rid of BTS in the first place?
Probably a case of too many games!
I would say a cube is a die whenever all its faces are not identical, because then it has the capability to be rolled to generate a random outcome. I don't think it needs to be rolled to be a die, though, just like a bicycle doesn't need to be ridden to be a bicycle! :)
But how do you know if it's a bicycle, if it's standing still? It could be a very strange chair?
@@BoardGamingRamblings Hahaha! Strange chairs are everywhere. Some even look like large dice!
I'd say that, of course in the context of games, a cube (or other multi-faceted shape) is a die if at any point during gameplay there is a clear and distinct definition and knowledge of:
1. Whether it's in play (relevant for the game state) or not.
2. Which sides/facets is/are up/on/active/relevant and impacts the game state (must be >1 when in play), which aren't (must be >1), and how it's determined.
3. What each side/facet signifies and means for the game state.
4. There are more than 2 different (for the above previous criteria) sides/facets.
The only case I'm a bit iffy on is the last one, where I exclude the supposed 2D dice. Technically there's no difference beside the number of different sides when you go to more than 2. But practically this would not only make coins be dice (which, technically may be true they're a type of, but meh), but also any double-sided tokens would be dice (which, fair if you think coins are fair, since there's no difference). While not wrong, it would make the definition wide enough to be useless and meaningless. There are technical contexts in which that would still make it a good definition, but not so much for boardgames. There's no need for a game term which is useless when describing games, practicality matters
Where the rollability (is that a word?) of the shapes matters is not on whether the shapes are or aren't dice, but on whether the game with them is a dice game, rather than just a game that has dice in the component list. A game with dice that you don't roll still has dice (it's absolutely fine and correct to call them dice in the manual and in play, and in reviews) but it's not a dice game (no one who asks for a dice game, or talks about general aspects of dice games, would consider such a game relevant to the discussion).
I subbed 90% for the cube vs dice convo haha🤣
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Don't understand how tokens on top of the settlers/soldiers got past the play testing phase. Someone made a bad decision.
A die has pips. A cube doesn't have to have pips. A cuboid dice is a subset of a cube. Your welcome. 😁
I think you are ok and more! haha
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Only played "The Sun" once. I liked it, but I wasn't a fan of the area majority stuff, or the absolutely enormous board that was far too difficult to read. The theme/art didn't pull my friends in either.
Looks like I might be trading up for "Horizon" as it seems a much better fit, but the components seem not great. Teeny tiny cardboard discs are my least favourite things in all of board games. They need an upgrade for sure!
Seems like you’ll enjoy this one!
Hope you’ll get a chance to play soon :)
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The subscriber pitch in this video was hilarious! 😂 The facial expressions had me laughing out loud. Well done, if I could resubscribe I absolutely would!
Hahaha, glad you liked it :P
I love Beyond the Sun and I love beige Euros but something about this version doesn't appeal to me, I can't put my finger on it why exactly.
And if you don't want it, that is completely ok! So many games, so little time, and so on :D
I was nervously anticipating this review as I pre-ordered this! Our tastes align so I was hoping you'd like it. I loved the tech tree in BTS but didn't like the lack of artwork and area control board.
It's just a shame there are obvious components issues... every reviewer is tearing their hair out over those little tokens and there are spelling mistakes on the tiles
I think you'll like this more then! It's a great game :D
But what if there is no one to roll the cube? What is it then? Seems like a case for Schrödinger :)
Then it's nothing, and we will never know if it could have been a thing.
I think the game changes look pretty good, especially the level 4 techs being known from the start. The production does look a bit dodgy though (although did look better in your photos from the side than it did in the play throughs from JonGetsGames and slickerdrips).
I think the production is great, except for the small pieces on the soldiers/settlers!
@@BoardGamingRamblings Good to hear!
This is one of the funniest videos you both did. The entire time I was cracking up.
Are you both related or married or something? You both get along so well and are so entertaining
We’ve been together 12 years and married for 2 of them, so I am very happy we are getting along 😂
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! That makes us happy 🤩
@@BoardGamingRamblings in that case, you both make such a fantastic couple.
You’re banter and quick wit comments is so cute. I didn’t get a chance to finish the video.
Do you like sun or horizon more? I wanted sun but the artwork was too bleh for me
@@mename7670 Thank you for the kind words! :)
I like both games a lot, but I think Horizon gets the edge for me :)
If the cube has pips. 😂
Is it a die?
I don't get why the girl got sad 😢
Did she? We are usually happy, so I don't think she was sad any place in the video!
You put art into an artless game and you chose Franz Klemens... why? 😂😂😂 I was gonna buy it but now that I see it's even uglier, I prefer the power point presentation style of the original.
WHAT?! I’m gonna buy it now largely for that reason. Horses for courses
Klemez Franz is an OG and one of the best board game artists around, with a charming and unique style that’s both easy on the eyes and functional.