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Actually many mention the vocals being low in the mix. Now, there are several components to it.
1) they are low in the mix, but the drummer has confirmed it was done on purpose, as it should sound like she is "part of the choir" or part of the music.
2) On their las albums the vocals have never been tooooo high in the mix either.
3) coming from live shows, obviously the difference strikes even more (deliberately low in the mix, an album version not live,...)
So, in the end, yes it looks be good to hear her clearer, more dominant in the mix, but on the other hand, you would make people listen to her more than to all the other instrumentation and little hidden nuggets.
I think it has been clever, considering the amount of instrumentation and epicness, but I do understand that it can throw one off a little. I've listened to a version someone made with the vocals brought out a bit more, and I got to say, even if it sounds good, I still like this certain better and I understood why Tuomas preferred this mix. It would sound like floor simply singing over a backing track. Like it would be some karaoke, or partial playback.
You are right. Live-version of songs are different from album-versions, but also this time the sound of the whole track seems "fuller". It isn't perhaps a "wall of sound" but something towards that.
Bad choice then!
The first picture is Floor, not her mother
and poor Emppu is her grandma🤣🤣
Poor Emppu, being mistaken for a grandma. 😂
Agree with the vocals, but this is what they were going for. I didn’t notice at first, being giddy for the new song and all.
Hahaha ... I came on to say that about Emppu. And Tuomas as her father???
LOL, and I'm worried about Emppu's ability to play guitar without a head
@@mvellis3863 He turned to liquid ... they'll have to carry him out to stage in Corona bottles.
"It's that her mom?" lol it's Floor herself. I love this somg, one of their best from the last years.
I concur
The mix is as it is. It's fully intentional from Tuomas. She is a voice of many, hence why she's "lost" in the mix and the choir.
Nothing in how songs are made on the studio albums from Nightwish is ever unintentional. Also if you actually listen to the studio albums from Nightwish, and not the live concerts, there are lots of songs where the voice is muddle into the music and almost part of the choir also. As awesome as GLS from Wacken is a lot of people actually complained about that one because the choir part is almost non-existent in that performance, and on the studio album it is very loud compared to the vocals from Tarja.
The song is what it is. Trying to change it is like re-writing a poem because you don't like the wording, in my opinion. With that I mean the channels that have put out alternative mixes with more obvious vocals. It's not how the song is intended to sound.
I love this song and the more times I listen to it, it just grows on me even more. I don't personally see the issue with the mix. You can't always love everrything an artist makes, and sometimes you grow out of an artist. I've seen numerous people say they are long time fans of Nightwish, but this song has made them not want to listen to anything from them anymore. That's a bit harsh to be honest. If you are a real fan one single track won't put you off.
I LOVE this mix and had no problems hearing Floor at all! People tend to forget that a mix for a music video quite often differs from the actual recording, in subtle ways. On the Spotify track there's no special audio effects but Floor's vocals are exactly the same - and they sound SO FULL SO RICH SO AMAZING!
Yeah, I love this song and I have no dramas with vocals sitting in the mix. But I do think the lyrics are important and for my with my old drummers ears, I needed the words in front of me for the first few listens. Doesn’t take away from the song though. I think it’s mt favourite intro of any Nightwish song.
I'm sure that this was designed to be a musical composition with Floor rather than Floor and a musical composition. There were a couple of places where the music scaled back to let her voice come through. I think that this is an amazing piece of work from all involved. 😊🤘
Lmao! "Not in the middle of a drop; I love you BUT..." So funny
The more I listen to this song, the More I truly like it. It's complex and there's much to take in. It's got an athem-like feel to it. And I agree: Floor's Voice is mixed in a chorus sound & I personally like her FRONT and CENTER...I'm looking forward to the New album and am hoping there are Guest Singers harmonizing with Floor. Without Marco..Floor needs singers with firing power💥 to match hers!
The Mix is so on purpose, there is nothing wrong on your side, Great reaction.
What I personally thought was the low vocals in the mix were like that on purpose to signify the fading generations of our ancestors. Official explanation of the band saying its a choir of voices also makes a lot of sense. Ot never crossed my mind that it was just a bad mix you dont get that from a band of Nightwish calibre there is always a reason for everything in their music
Exactly!!.. Tuomas and the band and the production team would not do this by mistake… there is a reason hands down!
Your audio is fine. Many have already commented on the vocals being lost in the mix. BTW.....all of the sprits or "Cuoriou Ghosts" are the band members. The picture on the pages as the diver fell is Floor herself. The guys that is reading and his face turns to a skull is the drummer Kia. The person who looks like their face tuned into water and fell is not her grandma. That is the guitarist Emppu. Then Troy and Jukka. Tuomas was the first ghost looking at the books on the shelf.
Every single reactor has mentioned the vocal mix. The two photos with the guy diving was Floor, the other people shown are the male members of the band, Tuomas, Kai, Troy, Emppu and Jukka. Not too sure how Emppu will react to you hoping he was her grandma. Always fun sharing a view with you two.
I think "the guy diving" through the air is also CGI Floor.
@@tonilaitinen5197 It would be cool if it was, but it's difficult to get a good enough look.
I FLOOVE IN LOVE ❤😉
Such a masterful art work. Perfume Of The Timeless is so much more than a metal song with our Goddess Floor in the lead. I don’t believe that Thomas left anything to chance in the mix of the chorus. The homogeneous blend of all the elements, in my opinion, was purposeful.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kai said that the Vocal is many instead of one in the chorus,so its a wall of voices on purpose.
I mean, sure. Still no reason to bury the vocals this deep in the mix. Gotta hope they fix this very obvious mistake in the album mix. Just a shame it ruins the MV for so many tho.
EDIT: The amount of braindead simping in these replies... Incredible.
@@Equilibrium2903 they won't fix it, because it is not supposed to be fixed. This is the song.
The chorus goes "We are.." therefore They are singing and playing and it's perfect. In my opinion ❤
There is no mistake@@Equilibrium2903
@@Equilibrium2903 *They've mastered it several times until THEY were completely satisfied with the result. This is NO mistake. Every attempt of producing modified mixes would be like spraying grafitti over the artist's painting...* 👈🏼🎵💿🎵🤔
Natural History Museum at Tring - this museum is in Hertfordshire, England (zoological collections of Sir Walter Rothschild)
team in there:
Joanne Cooper
Ian Watson
Catherine O’Carroll
Hailey Bickham
Claire Walsh
Freedivers:
Guillaume Néry (Footage from “One Breath Around The World” filmed by Franck Seguin ), Tommi Pasanen, Pavlos Kourtellas
The dude in the library: Their current bassist Jukka (taller than Floor btw)
Even Tuomas is taller than Floor.
@@JariJuslin True
@@JariJuslin I know, but fandom joke was when Jukka Koskinen was announced, that Nightwish had finally found someone taller than her. Jukka is taller even on stage beside Floor using high heels, LOL
There's been a lot of discussion about the mix, you are not the only ones having difficulty hearing Floor. TH-cam channel "Nightwish Arena" has a remix with enhanced Floor vocals.
The faces on the pages are Floor and the ghosts are all different members of the band. They've just got old. :)
😂the vocals were by design! 😂
What's the design?
@@verts_tv the design, mentioned by Kai, was that she “joined” the chorus of the ancestors singing, not sing above them.
@@verts_tv actually, floor with choir in the chorus are representing the timeless. That's why you hear many voices and floor's voice is toned down. Clever and I love it
Imagine this played live 😮 Killer
It’s time for Specsavers. 😅
Great reaction as usual. The Song is fantastic. A lot of people are talking about the mix.
Love the composition, it grows on you when hearing it more often.
Conclusion so far: love it, all Nightwish characteristics are in there❣️
Love Troy’s contribution at the end!
Many other reactors said the same thing
Surely Tuomas had his reasons why he mixed it the way he did. But there are lots ofreactions out there complaining about it. So nightwish arena brought out a 'Floorversion' with uplifted mixing.
th-cam.com/video/8MzLwRo72EM/w-d-xo.html
My comment:
Tuamas: Floor, I want to put you in the middle of e choir, what do you think? Floor: I am a choir myself.
think its on point to mention, nightwish Arena is an Fan Site, not official. You might get on the Witchburner like many of us, if not added;)
It's not just you. I just checked out Nick Noctural, and he also mentioned her voice being not as loud as you'd expect.
I was thinking the same thing when I heard it, that the vocals could be brought up a bit in the mix. I too questioned if it was my equalizer doing things or whatever. Still like the song and the video.
The vocals are a conscience choice made by Tuomas. It is intentional, according to Kai, in an interview.🤘🎸Tuomas has a reason for all the choices he makes!🤘🎸The ghosts are the band members.
Not her mother. Floor is 43 and has 2 children.
Heh. I think they're used to seeing the band members from 2013 Wacken concert. 11 years ago guys! To be fair, they are middle aged now, not old and the grey look to the ghosts and Floor's photos do make them look older. And Floor is frowning and pulling angry faces in the photos. The last one with that cute sideways glance captures her best how she is.
Hi Guys, greetings from reading, UK
I really enjoyed your reactions, thank you
We are the last sighs of a million loves = Orgasms? 😁
Yes, Floor's voice low in the mix, as intended by Tuomas, your Wacken example was post mixed by a guy named Marko Hietala 😀as he realized that Floor's voice was amazing and making the difference.
the museum where this is filmed is in the UK
Actually, floor with choir in the chorus are representing the timeless. That's why you hear many voices and floor's voice is toned down. Clever and I love it.
It's fully on purpose.
"Is that Floor's mum?" 😂 No that IS Floor, but the printed letters from the book pages makes her look older. Haha. And poor Emppu, grandma. Her "dad" is Kai, the drummer. They are ALL bandmembers, turning into the timeless ghosts, the ancestors. Even the humpback wale skeleton with the diver is an ancestor of the living humpback wale.
The ghosts are the six band members. They are just eleven years older than Wacken 2013.
its the mix
Here are the lyrics.
Something from the earth came
Something for the world
Mosaic of broken fragile pieces
Tesserae of the deceased
Born to a novel world
Endless chain unbroken
Silent clocks rewinding
My song it is for mankind
Embers to the stars
We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves
We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed
Time set
For a curious ghost
Lives lived plain and epic
Of eudaemonia
12 score and 1 chain of lives unending
Welcoming as my offspring
Walks me to the weave
My song it is for mankind
Embers to the stars
We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves
We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed
We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves
We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed
Time set
For a curious ghost
We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves
We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed
We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves
We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed
Time set
For a curious ghost
(We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves)
(We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs on a deathbed)
(We are their heir, dust on their palm
We are because of a million loves)
(We're the perfume of the timeless
Last sighs of a million loves)
The Mix for Floors voice is perfect for this Song. Floor+Choire is one.
Nearly every reactor I've watched has said Floor's vocals are too soft.
🤘😊🇫🇮💙🪄🎼✨💯👍
Look for the poet and the pendulum (Official Live) from Nightwish... and find out about the story behind the song. Tuomas wrote it at a very difficult time in his life... it's a very personal lyric.... You will find it very interesting.
And yet Troy is so forward in the mix that I feel Floor's positioning is deliberate. And the more often I listen the more you hear Floor.
In the verses Floor is pretty much where you'd expect in Nighwish studio tracks. Reactors are just so accustomed to live mixes.
The "part of the choir" effect is present only on the chorus.
Do you have a mixer (physically or in software)? My audio comes from a USB device which has a software mixer. It's a lot easier to pick out her higher vocals that way - though I prefer the metal sound and think they could have mixed her louder also.
Thanks! Fan YT page "Nightwish Arena" is fanmade mix version where Floor voice is clearer/Up in mix.
For situations where missing message of the song just by one mile was not enough.
Switch off your equalizers and automatic gain controls and listen to the pure mix - there is nothing wrong with it.
I think that the cult of Floor is maybe overtaking the appreciation of the band particularly amongst reactors. It seems like everything needs to be about Floor when it is Tuomas that is writing the music and Floor is just another instrument in the composition. She will be as prominent in the mix as Tuomas wants her to be and the video imagery will include Floor but not be ‘about’ her.
You know you gotta show her one of the live versions of Greatest Show on Earth, right?
Tuomas Holopainen songwriter,composer. Kiitos.
Here's a brief, two minute overview of the song/album from Tuomas that really gives a great prelude of what's to come and explaination of the themes. BTW, there is a version of this particular song out there with Floor's vocals enhanced. th-cam.com/video/N7Q_T58n_Nw/w-d-xo.html
It’s Floor 💖
I hear what you're saying. I believe it is on purpose. The live version should be good...............I bet.
How on earth can you not recognise Floor and all the other band membersx❗
It's not her mom. It's her.
And it's not her dad. It's Kai.😁
Question: Does Floor perhaps get too much attention from the reaktors...
Should react to anything ayreon as your into nightwish
Agree with the vocal mix, but it's much like Tool - and the vocals just become another instrument. But yeah, Floor needs to have a boost.
Nevermind - what were they thinking... Floor is buried in the mix... WTH!
🤗🍒🤘🏻😘 well done but the people you saw, you are completely wrong 😁, those were the band members!!!!
If it was a concious decision to mix it like "they" did,so be it, artisticly it's a choise maby not to argue,soundwise,for me,it's a bit more nuanced,first,it's a great song and fantastic video but,from a audio standpoint/view there are really some little parts,like some endings of sentences from Floor,wich drown (not only in the choirs) in the music. In general it sounds great but ,if i have to choose between artistic interpretation or soundwise,it's the sound i prefer because the artistic message is already in the video and the lyrics. Maby it's personnel view and certainly not a thing to say that it is bad,it's just a "ietsie pietsie"(Dutch for Just a little bit)better for me if vocals on some (little) parts would be a bit more louder.🤔
Oh,i forgot to say, live ,this is gonna be a blast😉🤘
I very much doubt this will ever be performed live :(
@@MeStevely Because?
@@strabel803 Tuomas has stated that Nightwish are not going to tour the upcoming album. That means that he's going to have time to compose the next album which I expect to be released in late 2026.
So the next tour will be in 27-28 by which time 'Perfume of the Timeless' will be an old song.
All this, of course, is assuming that Nightwish will continue beyond 2026.
I could be completely wrong - let's hope I am.
@@MeStevely Okay ,but,let's see and wait. I think it has a lot to do with the state economicly worldwide,and touring has become very expensive,there could be lot's of reason's why it is also not a good time to do a tour right now, i'm sure they like to tour but it is good to take a break and load up their batteries and Especially Floor had 2 very "explosive"years. Let's just have some patience.😉🤘
Please do more family guy reactions
I get the point of a stylistic choice, but I totally agree and many many others have said you cannot understand what floor is actually singing lyrically, and that is due to the mix, and if that is on purpose, I gotta say I am critiquing that choice because you are muffling meaningful lyrics. I can understand the dual layered voices on the chorus, but all through the rest of the song you cannot make out what she is singing lyrically I was only able to decipher the chorus lyrics when everything was quiet, and only Troy‘s voice with a light background was singing the chorus. Thr song musically is absolutely fantastic. Floor’s voice is absolutely incredible as always, but the lyrics being inaudible by the mix is a definite, major flaw.
Once again people posting a reaction video are blinded by the beautiful video. The song is a bit of everything from previous Nightiwsh work. You are right about the vocal mix, it is awful, even if it's meant to be.
Disappointment!
It's not just you. The vocals are a bit lost in the mix. This may be deliberate as many are stating, and Kai has also mentioned this, but there is a difference between mixing the vocals low, amongst a multitude of voices, and the fact that you cannot hear the lyrics. The lyrics are important - they are always important in Nightwish songs (except perhaps Nymphomaniac Fantasia - still important if you need a laugh) - so, the mix may be intentional, but it's a misstep. Sorry Tuomas - do something about it.
I listen on a phone and I can hear the lyrics....
You are absolutely right, floor's voice is very poorly produced, I hope they will correct that before the release of the album
It was done on purpose.
The mix is horrible. Quite possibly the worst mix ever. It's not on your end.
*Sorry, but I feel to have to intervene here !! "Worst mix ever" ? This is no tekkno-dance-track !! The band let the album have been mastered several times until THEY were entirely satisfied with the result. This is the mix they've wanted. Apparently you don't like the result, but if you want to hear only Floor, then listen to her solo-album...* 💿🎵🔥
@@NicholasCorvin Sensitive? Ah yes. A typical Nightwish fan. Boohoo that your teeny weeny widdo feelings are hurt. I definitely don't want to listen to Floor only. I forgot how sensitive your type is
@@NicholasCorvin So sorry to have hurt your sensitive little feelings
This has nothing to do with the mix, Tuomas wanted this to be like that, enjoy or don't but you 're wrong calling this a mistake.
@@elsenm3965 Oh I know it's Tuomas that wanted it that way. I know it wasn't by accident. I never called it a mistake. Mikko and Mika had nothing to do with it. I know that. It's a Tuomas thing. Still a terrible sounding mix imo
The lastest albums of Nightwish are boring as fuck,this is the same.
go listen to the sepoltura
you are boring , why you here
Next Recap, that doesnt freak out of Joy, just throws the stereotypes Fans not confronting "loved it would Hear again, great etc". And if They ask about the Mix, the newly self acclaimed Taste Police of Tuomas Fans comes up and dare you dont accept it the Way it is, bcs Thats what The Band wanted it. And Tuomas is an Messias, ok for me, but dare to not go along, your instantly called dump, musically ignorant and else. Even in This Comment Section just read the @randypeters366 Thread .
For me, Tuomas(and Troy) just decided go on making Agenda driven Music and use all Platforms they had their Hands on their 2 Time Scedules mandatory. No Alternative given, rest of Band can nod and agree for Public and Money or call it quits. My Opinion.
Troy Interview 2020 on Blabbermouth citate:
Asked how he would compare the spirit/essence of AURI with that of NIGHTWISH, Donockley said: "We don't see it as very different from NIGHTWISH at all. Sonically it is, for sure. We were struggling to find a label for it, as it usually happens, so I just tossed out 'celestial metal.' So this Polish journalist said to me, 'I know what you mean about celestial metal. It's kind of heavenly music. It has the metal attitude, but without all of the electric guitars and bass.' Metal is an attitude. citate end.
Both "Bands" are signed to Nuclear Blast as of now.
There you are. I am okay with that, i can grab nearly 25 Years of "uncelestial "Material of Them. But, you "truly understanding Tuomas Genius" Fans,stop to force any into accepting everything as Genius and adapt without own Taste, or being labeled as ignorant or dump.