Bart Ehrman Calmly DEBUNKED With Scripture & Logic
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- In this video, Bart Ehrman & Peter J Williams discuss what Ehrman calls a "developmental view" of the 4 Gospels, that is, the idea that Jesus' claims of divinity were added to the later gospels but did not exist in the gospel of Mark. His ultimate point is that Jesus did not believe Himself to be, nor ever claim to be, God. This turns out to be a really interesting discussion and a useful example of the philosophical presuppositions of modern scholarship. And yes.. Ehrman's argument is refutted... Enjoy!
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Ehrman had fooled me for years but now I've found Jesus and left Paganism after watching your content for a while. Thank you for posting this.
Wow! Praise the LORD! Thank you so much for sharing this! Glory be to God!
Congratulations
I stayed an atheist after watching apologetic content. The issue being they make assertions then use blind faith to fill the gaps. It’s like watching someone drunk trying to talk about philosophy.
Amen!
If you celebrate Christmas, Easter or your birthday, hate to tell ya…. Still in paganism.
That moment when you realize “Why do you call Me good? Only God is good.” was a rhetorical question.
He was testing the man’s knowledge. That statement does not say, I am not good. I am not God.
@@jamesjeson6207 _sigh_ No it doesn’t. Neither was I.
@@rob41137 The I I wrote refers to Jesus
Yes! He never said 'I am not good'.
@@jamesjeson6207 Bro. I know. We agree.
This is a perfect example where scriptures say....the Light has come into the world but the world did not recognize Him.
People: "Tell me you're God without telling me you're God. Prove you're God."
Jesus: [Matthew, Mark, Luke]: Shows & demonstrates that He's God.
People: "But you didn't actually say that you're God."
Jesus: [John]: "I am God."
People: "So why did John say it but not Matthew, Mark, & Luke?"
Yeah that conversation never happend like in your delusional comment. The unanimously written gospel of “John” came more then a century after Jesus, and portrayed a completely different and exaggerated Jesus compared to previous gospels
@@homer1273 the gospel of John is dated to less than 40 years after the crucifixion, around 70 AD. Many scholars also contend that there was an earlier version prior to 70 AD, but this is debated.
@@geneschmidt8308 The gospel of john by scholarly consensus is from at least the 1st century AD, you chose to say 70 years after the crucifixion because its a minority opinion that you can latch your personal theology onto. It was certainly written after 70 AD, and any honest, non biased, historian will not date it earlier than 80-90. By and large, the gospels were written anonymously, and we do NOT have any accurate source of Jesus's sayings. There may be some statements in the gospels that, by way of inference, can be traced to Jesus though. It's likely that gosepls reflect different branches of early church theology interspliced with some genuine, loose, historical accounts of jesus's life.
@@homer1273nonsense. John's writings come from around 40 years later, which is incredibly early compared to other historical documents. Further, explain how John has a different Jesus. Jesus' deity is preached in the other Gospels as well as Paul's letters.
@@joeyn985 at least half of Paul's letters are forged. This is well known
One of his errors is an apparent assumption that each gospel writer is trying to lay out the same chronological complete biography of Jesus' life. But these are not biographies in the same sense as modern biographies. Each gospel writer selected events & sayings from Jesus' life which provided support for his specific agenda in portraying who Jesus is: the Jewish Messiah (Matthew), the Suffering Servant (Mark), the Humanity or Son of Man (Luke), and the divine Son of God (John). So the nearly universal view that John's gospel was written in the A.D. 90s does NOT mean that it was only later Christians who viewed Jesus as God. It does not take a degree in theology to understand this. And Erhman is a well-educated man. So either he is intentionally attempting to deceive others for some unknown reason OR he is an example of judicial blinding in that God has blinded him to the truth precisely because he had already rejected truth. In either case, his logic and factual basis cannot be trusted!
Amen, also there are four gospels for a very specific reason tied to your comment. The Messiah is referred to as "The Branch" by the prophets. He is described as a King (Matthew) - as a man (Luke) - as a servant (Mark) - and having Divinity (John)
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been in church my whole life, but it took some "tough sailing" for me to finally get serious in my faith and start looking for what is actually THE TRUTH....and when i was looking, i started to read the Bible, probably the first time deeply, or by my own choice, and not even knowing ABSOLUTELY any theology, or doctrine, Heck i never even heard that Jesus was God and It wasn't so hard to "put 2 and 2 together" that He Is GOD when i read john 8:58....for me it was mind-blowing, and when i told my Mom she said "I know", and I said "AND YOU NEVER TOLD ME?!"😅.
Intentional. It's very intentionally deceptive. After listening to this guy a few times, his agenda becomes very clear.
Erhmann’s disingenuousness is revealed by his repeated citation of Q as though it were a separate source, whereas it is merely a speculative document generated by highlighting the shared passages in the synoptic gospels. If Q existed, it was probably the oral testify of an eyewitness such as Peter, anyway. In other words, citing Q is speculative, redundant, and misleading, designed to cast doubt on the gospels.
I’ve read little of his published works, but it’s been pointed out in debates that his scholarly and mass-market publications present contradictory perspectives. The specific debate was on Unbelievable? hosted by Justin Brierly. In his pop-press works, Bart denigrates the accuracy of today’s editions of the scriptures, whereas in his professional publications, he admits that we have extremely high confidence in the level of accuracy and that any differences are doctrinally insignificant.
In short, Erhmann emulates his father… and I don’t mean his mother’s husband.
Bart would have been a very successful defense attorney because out of twelve jurors, he only needs to create doubt in one.
I'm not going to lie: I would be that 1. Unfortunately for him, I'm 50, and I've been around those block dozens of times, and it gets tiresome. Hearing over and over again that we should expect God to do certain things is foolishness and a path to hell.
You can never prove a lie to be true or the truth to be a lie. Where wisdom fails that is where deception can be achieved thats why the holy spirit is key in delivering the truth because these things were written so long ago and many hands have handled these accounts before making there way neatly into our Bible. The spirit is the way to truth man's opinion cannot overpower the spirit.
@@eugenetswong A sovereign God is not obligated to meet anyone’s expectations.
Darwinian evolution began with assumptions about what a god should be like. It went downhill from there.
@@Open2ReasonFor the most part, I already agreed.
He did not create any doubt in me.
He forgot Mathew 4:7 “it is written you shall not tempt the lord your God” I still can’t for the life of me understand how people forget this verse.
I never forget that verse but I was reading Matthew yesterday and completely skimmed over it. Its just such an epic battle between God and the Devil that the verse doesn't have as much raw impact as John 8:58. In other words that verse is really subtle in context, of course if you look at the verse on its own its pretty clear what it means. But in the context of the chapter it doesn't seem to be a point of emphasis.
@@Yohanan1030 I’ll share something that will entice your spirit even more. If you compare that verse to Hebrew he says “it is written that you shall not tempt Adonai your Yehovih” noticed I didn’t put “Yehovah” (ah), yehov(ih) means GOD (KJV) all capitals. And LORD all capitals is Yehovah. Then re read Gen 15:1-2 again with what I shared. Powerful. Then read Isaigh 7:14 again. Isaigh says “Adonai HIMSELF will give a sign (speaking of the virgin birth, and his name shall be called Immanuel which means God “Yehovih” is with us) and to add read psalms 110:1, it says “The LORD said to my Lord”. translate that to Hebrew “Yehovah said to my Adonai” Jesus is “Adonai Yehovih”. Stay encouraged brother.
Agreed
@@ItisTime1213 Funnily enough I was reading Isaiah last night. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
@@Yohanan1030 amen brother
This video should have been titled: Bart Ehrman Gives a Master Class on Moving the Goal Posts.
Heavily edited video. You need to watch the whole thing so you can understand Bart's points. which goal posts did he move. ?
@@Michael-le5ph Link me to the original, please. I will gladly change my opinion in the light of new data. Thanks. God bless you.
I thought it was moving the goal posts. The opening statement is something like, "the early Christians thought he was just a man, later they thought he was divine"
From the very beginning of Jesus’ ministry, he was casting out demons, healing people and delivering sermons. How could anyone who followed him say he was just a man, when everything he did was so obviously divine?
christians are still failing and will continue to fail, to give objective evidence for the existance of their god... that should be their first goal.
+2000 years of the religion, + 100.000 denomniations, multiple religious wars, even with the religion itself about mere details, and zero objective evidence to show for ? and then want to be taken serious when teaching about talking snakes, donkeys,pigs and even a real talking burning bush ??? spend your time better then waste it on some iron age religous fanatic manmade dogmatic middle eastern religion.
David Wood calls the requirement for exact words the "Exact Words Criterion". 😂 I love it. Keep doing what you do for the Kingdom man. Praying many blessings your way. 🙏
It's called the Exact Words fallacy, the tool of heretics and blasphemers.
And yet he still has to have it revealed unto him by the true Jesus of the Scriptures that the Godhead is not a Trinity _[you won't find that word in Greek in the New Covenant/Testament since they were born again Israelites (Deuteronomy 6:4) not pagans who adopted Nimrod's religion.]_
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Disciple of whom?
Bro… Tri- Unity… 3 seperate beings 1 God. You can’t even get past Genesis 1:1 without seeing a trinity. “God created” that’s the start of time, “heavens” that’s space, and “earth” that’s matter. Time, Space, Matter. Atoms are made of 3 parts. We are 3 part beings body, soul, spirit… we are dead in spirit, we need His Spirit to make us whole. Jesus is a person, Holy Spirit is a person, and the Father is a personal creator. 3 parts 1 God.
@@NathanNiederer Are you part of an Apostolic Church? (Orthodox or Catholic)
I don’t know who Bart Ehrman is, but he’s going on my prayer list 🙏🏻
For decades now this guy has fought against the truth of the Bible, while simultaneously admitting he doesn't sleep well at night and is afraid to die. It's sad because he has sold many books doing this
Well, he’s a biblical scholar and although he doesn’t believe Jesus was God, he stresses that Jesus was real and that the Gospel is reliable and 1st century documents. He does have have a problem with the book of John.
Ermahn excuses reformed theology about Jesus by saying the early church fathers made up their truth that Jesus was God! Very much a problem
I am an atheist and I sleep pretty well at night.
@@Hubtones1One year, he said he "missed" Jesus. That's a clue he should follow.
“Father is greater than I “
I follow Jesus just like how he bowed his head and prayed to god. That’s how I am. Shouts to Jesus PBUH
The father is greater in a sense that he is the beggeter.
It's simple really. An example would be, you are not less of a human as to any person in regards to anything. All humans are equal in value. So christ is equal in similar was to the father, as they are that same 1 God.
But, as you would say to the person you admire you are greater than I in that, but not as being a human you are greater than me, Christ here, not as a being God, but as a person of the trinity acknowledges the fathers authority as he is the beggeter and Christ the begotten.
And acknowledging that, being in the form of God, Christ emptied himself (this is a quote from the bible philippians 2:6) and became human to save us.
In summary, as you are not any greater or less than any other human being in being a human being, Chirst is not less than the father in his nature.
Only in personhood does he say, he is greater than I.
@@geo-mj4gb If he gets his Authority from the Father which he says is where he got it. That automatically would mean the Father is greater than him, exactly how he said it. If hes praying to the Father that automatically signals that the Father is greater than him. It is a simple matter, the Father is greater exactly how Yeshua/"Jesus" said it.
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He doesn't get his authority from the father. For what the father can do in his authority pertaining to his divinity so can Christ do the same. That's why he said the Son does all he sees the father does.
Don't trust me on this. Just read Saint John Chrysostom's commentary
Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. - John 5:19
Man! He does the contrary. He says this not to take away, but to confirm, His Equality. But attend carefully, for this is no common question. The expression of Himself is found in many places of Scripture, with reference both to Christ and to the Holy Ghost, and we must learn the force of the expression, that we may not fall into the greatest errors; for if one take it separately by itself in the way in which it is obvious to take it, consider how great an absurdity will follow. He said not that He could do some things of Himself and that others He could not, but universally,
4. The Son can do nothing of Himself. I ask then my opponent, Can the Son do nothing of Himself, tell me? If he reply, that He can do nothing, we will say, that He has done of Himself the very greatest of all goods. As Paul cries aloud, saying, Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant. Philippians 2:6-7 And again, Christ Himself in another place says, I have power to lay down My life, and I have power to take it again: and, No man takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. John 10:18 Do you see that He has power over life and death, and that He wrought of Himself so mighty a Dispensation? And why speak I concerning Christ, when even we, than whom nothing can be meaner, do many things of ourselves? Of ourselves we choose vice, of ourselves we go after virtue, and if we do it not of ourselves, and not having power, we shall neither suffer hell if we do wrong, nor enjoy the Kingdom if we do right.
What then means, Can do nothing of Himself? That He can do nothing in opposition to the Father, nothing alien from, nothing strange to Him, which is especially the assertion of One declaring an Equality and entire agreement.
But wherefore said He not, that He does nothing contrary, instead of, He cannot do? It was that from this again He might show the invariableness and exactness of the Equality, for the expression imputes not weakness to Him, but even shows His great power; since in another place Paul says of the Father, That by two immutable things in which it was impossible for God to lie Hebrews 6:18: and again, If we deny Him — He abides faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. 2 Timothy 2:12-13 And in truth this expression, impossible, is not declaratory of weakness, but power, power unspeakable. For what He says is of this kind, that that Essence admits not such things as these. For just as when we also say, it is impossible for God to do wrong, we do not impute to Him any weakness, but confess in Him an unutterable power; so when He also says, I can of My own Self do nothing John 5:30, His meaning is, that it is impossible, nature admits not, that I should do anything contrary to the Father. And that you may learn that this is really what is said, let us, going over what follows, see whether Christ agrees with what is said by us, or among you. You say, that the expression does away with His Power and His proper Authority, and shows His might to be but weak; but I say, that this proves His Equality, His unvarying Likeness, (to the Father,) and the fact that all is done as it were by one Will and Power and Might. Let us then enquire of Christ Himself, and see by what He next says whether He interprets these words according to your supposition or according to ours. What then says He?
For what things soever the Father does these also does the Son likewise.
Do you see how He has taken away your assertion by the root, and confirmed what is said by us? Since, if Christ does nothing of Himself, neither will the Father do anything of Himself, if so be that Christ does all things in like manner to Him. If this be not the case, another strange conclusion will follow. For He said not, that whatsoever things He saw the Father do, He did, but, except He see the Father doing anything, He does it not; extending His words to all time; now He will, according to you, be continually learning the same things. Do you see how exalted is the idea, and that the very humility of the expression compels even the most shameless and unwilling to avoid groveling thoughts, and such as are unsuited to His dignity? For who so wretched and miserable as to assert, that the Son learns day by day what He must do? And how can that be true, You are the same, and Your years shall not fail? Psalm 102:27, or that other, All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made John 1:3; if the Father does certain things, and the Son sees and imitates Him? Do you see that from what was asserted above, and from what was said afterwards, proof is given of His independent Power? And if He brings forward some expressions in lowly manner, marvel not, for since they persecuted Him when they had heard His exalted sayings, and deemed Him to be an enemy of God, sinking a little in expression alone, He again leads His discourse up to the sublimer doctrines, then in turn to the lower, varying His teaching that it might be easy of acceptance even to the indisposed. Observe, after saying, My Father works, and I work; and after declaring Himself equal with God, He adds, The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do. Then again in a higher strain, What things soever the Father does, these also does the Son likewise. Then in a lower, Or thus; That the Son can do nothing of Himself, must be understood to mean, that He can do nothing contrary to, or displeasing to, the Father. And therefore He does not say that He does nothing contrary, but that He can do nothing; in order to show His perfect likeness, and absolute equality to the Father. Nor is this a sign of weakness in the Son, but rather of goodness. For as when we say that it is impossible for God to sin, we do not charge Him with weakness, but bear witness toa certain ineffable goodness; so when the Son says, I can do nothing of myself, it only means, that He can do nothing contrary to the Father.
And this is confirmed by what follows: For whatsoever be does these also dothe Son likewise. For it the Father does all things by Himself, so does the Son also, if this likewise is to stand good. You see how high a meaning these humble words bear. He gives His thoughts a humble dress purposely. For whenever He expressed Himself loftily, He was persecuted, as an enemy of God.
- John Chrysostom
Really appreciate your channel and the work you do
“And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed” - Jesus Christ (John 17:5 )
Exactly. Jesus, as GOD's Son, the sacrificial lamb, that was acceptable to GOD as atonement for mankind's sin.
And the reason Jesus was acceptable?? Because unlike Adam, Jesus did not commit sin, but rather followed GOD's will perfectly. Both Adam and Jesus were 'born' without sin...Adam had to die due to his disobedience whereas Jesus followed GOD's will perfected did not have to die.
GOD is the Grand CREATOR, Jesus is the firstborn Son of GOD...2 entirely separate and unique individuals.
The Trinity narrative is a patent pagan teaching and has no bearing to the truth contained in GOD's Word.
...and yet, John's Gospel opens with....@@elgar6743
@DEX-SAMA yep that's right after Jesus says the Father is the only true God (John 17:3).
@@elgar6743Hi, I’m wondering. Do you see Jesus only as a man or is he more than just a man?
Again, that's in John. This all seems to be very important but was only added in later sources, which is of course suspicious
If the Apostles denied Jesus, ran away and hid because they knew he would be put to death, what made them decide to come out of hiding and spread his word knowing they would be killed? Surely if Jesus was a crazy person would anyone continue his ministry knowing they would be killed?
Yah, like people haven't been willing to die for charismatic nutballs - religious or otherwise - throughout human history. I mean, I guess you think that flying saucer hiding behind a comet was real, then, cos people were willing to drink poison so they could die and be carried off to a alien planet? I mean, they were willing to die, so it must be real, right?
Yes if there is enough money in it. Church was big business during that time.
@kos-mos1127 but... there was no church yet during that time
What? First of all there was no church, second of all the Jewish authority wanted them all dead. 3rdly, what good is money if your dead. This comment made no sense.@@kos-mos1127
Maybe he was crazy like a fox.
I appreciate your videos. Unpacking these types of issues really helps Christians learn how to think about their faith. Keep up the good work. God bless!
Your breakdown of the different perspective of Jesus was actually what I wanted to hear in the studio! No book can contain Jesus, so writers focused on an aspect and did justice.
"Before Abraham, I Am" - Jesus Christ
Is so clear, but is not acceptable because he doesn’t clearly say what he was😑 Is really uncomfortable hearing voices that doesn’t accept the way Jesus talked..
That was Jesus’ way of saying he is Yahweh.
As reported in John. Did you watch the video?
@@Ardiane1Jesus said it clearly enough in word selection and verb tense there in John 8 verse 58 for the religious leaders to pick up stones with which to end Him right then and right there in verse 59. I think a big problem is that modern English speakers expect the thing to be presented according to the customs and format of modern English. To the speakers of that time and language referring to yourself as existing by those specific two present tense words in the time before Abraham existed in the past tense was a rather in your face declaration - "I exist in the present tense even before Abraham existed in the past tense". Add that verse 58 declaration to Jesus' statement in verse 56, "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see _My_ day." and those religious leaders Jesus was talking with knew *exactly* what Jesus was saying. And they wanted Jesus ended right there and right then for it.
" Before Abraham was, I existed." And at the burning bush God didn't simply say "I AM!". Better translations render it as " I will become whatsoever ever I please.", or, " I will prove to be what I will prove to be"....
Bart put me in a, "crisis of faith", about a year ago. I began deconstructing my Christian faith (which I have learned is not always a bad thing) and was in a very emotional whirlwind. Over time, I have learned that I need to unlearn dogma as much as I needed to learn why I am a Christian. I think Bart is a brilliant biblical scholar and to a degree, am sad that he has left the faith, especially for the reason as to why he left. My journey has led me here to DDoW, and other apologist YT channels and I am thankful for their work, as it has been very helpful to me.
If you are here and are having doubts --- I hope my testimony is encouraging for you. Don't give up. “An unexamined faith is not worth having, for it can only be true by accident. A faith worth having is faith worth discussing and testing.”
― James Luther Adams
Bart is a con man. He often likes to separate the gospels and point out something inconsistent about each gospel, while not allowing the use of the four gospels which would explain away the apparent inconsistency.
What brought you back into the faith. I’m going the same thing rn and it sucks but it’s also really good at the same time and I feel like I’m seeing the world through a fresh lease that isn’t filtered with God.
I’m open to coming back to believe but all the arguments I see and points I read from scholars make more sense that this is mythology rather than history
@@jacobkeown9160 I would highly recommend an old, but great book on the life of Jesus titled aptly "The life and times of Jesus the Messiah" by Albfred Edersheim. With a deep knowledge of 2nd temple judaism, he discusses the historicity of the gospel narratives and links the gospel events to the places, practice and calendar of 1st century Israel. It is a very long read, but a great reference book for believers and unbelievers alike. To me, it made the gospel narratives come to life in a vibrant image of who and what Jesus was in a profoundly historic manner. I hope you'll find it profitable.
@@jacobkeown9160Pray and fast, it will help you to get stronger in your faith. Matthew 17:19-21 CSB
Then the disciples approached Jesus privately and said, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" [20-21] "Because of your little faith," he told them. "For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will tell this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." Which in my Bible has a footnote for “However, this kind does not come except through fasting and prayer”. God bless you brother, keep strong I’ve been dealing with attacks from the devil for years.
@@jacobkeown9160 me aswell
My new pastor always mentioned when he did Sundays Bible study on all 4 gospel. Each book do not make distinction of their testimony yet instead complimented each other… as I paraphrased it. God bless and keep the faith all 🙏🏽. And much appreciated all your content brother.
So the bible is a compilation book from 4 POV. and the compilation of Paus's letters.
Why do Torah and Qur'an just have 1 POV ?
@@kaekaeoshi69 this involves understanding the Christian concept of “divine inspiration” you see this when Peter comes to Paul and says he writes as if he was with Jesus. Saying the Quran and the Torah having 1 POV is very unfair, Islamic hadiths depending on your faith in Islam is the other prospectives. The Jews do not just use the Torah but also the Talmud which is historical Jewish law.
I'm stealing your Superman 🦸♂️ analogy. That's _gold!_ 💰
WOW, what a mess. To quote Megatron (about Ehrman), “You’re either lying, or you’re stupid”.
He initially seems to be saying Christians in Mark’s time didn’t believe Christ was Divine but they did when John wrote his Gospel account (“Over time, the Christians’ understanding of Jesus changed; they started teaching him as less of a human messiah and more of a divine being….so earliest Christians didn’t say he was divine”). Then after he’s refuted, he states “I think that Mark does see Jesus as divine, I didn’t deny that. What I’m asking is what did Jesus himself say about himself”.
So to be charitable, let’s say Ehrman wasn’t lying to avoid conceding he was wrong. The alternative is that he’s terrible at his job. The charitable understanding of what he said is that Christians progressively saw Christ as Divine, but that by the time of Mark’s account, even though Christians generally saw Him as Divine, it wasn’t enough to have Mark alter Jesus’ words, whereas in John’s time, it was.
That take requires so many wild assumptions to be true (none of which have ANY evidence to back them up)…I just don’t have the words. And like others have pointed out, it STILL doesn’t allow for the most likely position: that each Gospel account was written for a reason, to specific audiences, from different folks who have different ways of speaking and thinking. All of that is infinitely more plausible than what Ehrman is (maybe?) positing. Again, WOW.
What Bart says immediately after Brandon's introduction is "When you lay out the sources chronologically, over time Jesus starts changing the sorts of things that he says." As you point out, Bart does think that Mark saw Jesus as divine, but in his attempt to present the mission of Jesus, Mark apparently does not find any evidence that Jesus himself claimed to be God.
Bear in mind that John alters a lot!
Yah. Your second paragraph strikes me as what went down. I felt a shifty spirit there. Like, I'll say one thing and if I'm proven wrong, I'll say I didn't say that, but the second thing. If that is shown to be wrong, then I'll say I didn't say that either, but the third thing. I pity the man who says in his heart there is no God.
"each Gospel account was written for a reason, to specific audiences, from different folks who have different ways of speaking and thinking"
Each Synoptic Gospel agrees word for word with the others most of the time when discussing the same events look up the synoptic problem, the 4th Gospel doesn't because it's fanfiction
Well conveyed. Here's the short of it... Bart is exactly God/Jesus refers to in many verses, like Proverbs 1:7, 8:13, 12:15, 14:12, 16:18, 28:26, Jeremieh 17:5-9 etc and the parallel verses in the New Covenant/Testament. God/Jesus already declared in Genesis 3, He would come in the flesh, the proto-evangellion. Bart denies this because of for example what Jesus the Christ/the Christ Jesus lays out in John 3 regarding choosing to stay in darkness, not truly seeking the light.
Thumbs up.@@terryprockiw3831
Bart Error-man cites to Q as though they have a copy, and haven't just invented it out of thin air to explain away consistency in the Gospel accounts.
it's almost like he could snap his fingers and make Q appear - oh wait, that's Star Trek.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is this Q thing he's talking about?
So what do you cite? Magic?
@RS54321 Q is a theoretical document that was convinced in the late 1800’s (if I’m remembering correctly). The idea is there are a number of similarities between the Gospels. Maybe there was a “pre-Gospel” that simply had important sayings of Jesus but no story. The Gospel writers would get a hold of it as a source material and fill in the sayings/teachings with story. To this day we have no physical evidence of it. It doesn’t mean there never was such a thing, but Ehrman speaks with authority as though he’s read it and he can definitely say what is and isn’t in there. Just one example of how he speaks with such authority on matters of opinion to make them sound like fact. If you notice, his argument even began to change. He said the Christian understanding of Jesus changed and we see it in John’s Gospel and not the earlier ones. Then it’s pointed out that Mark makes very clear divine claims for audience and all of a sudden he doesn’t disagree that mark records Devine claims. They’re just not the words John uses so it’s not good enough.
No, Matthew and Luke have word for word agreement in Greek, either there's Q or Luke copied from Matthew
Found your channel from Sye. Super glad I subbed.
Bart Ehrman works in the "everything you thought is wrong" genre, that has been popular since the 1960s. Its main features are the assumption of materialism to assert materialism, textual revisionism, the re-exposition of purportedly arcane knowledge, and the language of the academy to unproveable or specious topics.
Well said!
You clearly don’t know him, he was a fundamentalist Christian, and has studied the Bible way more than most of us. He has a doctorate and can read the Greek of the New Testament straight from the source.
No, he just does not ignore the words Jesus said about his God.
@@hjtapia74 I've seen enough claims from him that are so poorly researched and easily disproven textually even without believing in the bible that my only possible conclusions are that either he is a total hack, or he is just a bitter ex-fundie who dedicates his life to saying anything and everything that suits his anti-christian agenda, with no intention of accuracy or integrity.
@@readlesspraymore4686 well he might not ignore them but he definitely wants his fans to ignore them.
In context of the gospel narratives it is abundantly clear that whether you believe in the bible or not, in the books, Jesus is God and says He's God.
Then if we go with the narrative that the gospels were written very late, why would you even be trying to debunk it using the text when the text was allegedly written long after people were already worshipping Christ as God?
There are more holes in Bart's reasoning than he could ever poke in the bible.
Pray for Bart 🙏🏻❤️
Pray for you! Your delusional
Nope
I do daily, and all mankind that the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ will accept a road to Damascus conversion prayer for.
Agreed.
I hate the fact that he is leading so many astray but I do not hate him and I really hope that his heart is softened and he finds redemption in Jesus.
The alternative is too terrible to contemplate...
Thank you Brandon, well explained in your slides.
One of the most annoying things about Ehrman - and his entire career as a Jesus-debunker - is that even his own scholarship does not hold up to any kind of surface-level scrutiny. Thus, he must resort to this kind of appeal to what came first or his absolutism about precisely what Jesus said about Himself or did not say about Himself. So if a man walks around his whole adult life never claiming to be a god but then accepts the worship of others who worship him as a god, is he then free from the self-claim of deity? Any reasonable person would say "no". The number of times Jesus is worshipped as God in the Gospels is staggering and He doesn't correct or rebuke a single one for doing so.
True
Mathew alone is enough to let me know that Jesus Christ is God without Him Saying so
his mother would have said that he is not God
The angel said it
Mathew 2:3
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
King Herod the Jew
Mathew 2 :3
When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and #worship him also
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and #worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh
At this point my brother , what compelled the Jews and gentiles to worship the baby?
What is striking is that God Almighty appeared in the wiseman dream not to return to Bert erhman’s father King Herod
Why at the same time God didn’t rebuke them for worshipping a man and yet guide them ?
Bert is a deceiver and lost his faith and he want us to join him with his ridiculous empty life phd worthless research, until Jesus Christ himself rebuke me I will always worship him!
It’s only in Scriptures
Scriptures claimed divinity on Jesus Christ
May God tell the truth and Bert erhmen a liar
He’s not even 70yrs to contest a 4000yrs continuous conversation
he’s a liar him and his scholarship are deceivers
he’s making a living out confusion May he worship Allah his father !
Why are you depending upon the sources of you don’t believe?
The man works for the devil hiding behind philosophy
@@kingfluenx For me, the very fact that Jesus did not reject worship of Him is what makes me believe in Him as God. Neither prophet nor angel should accept worship but God. The fact that worship of Jesus isn't rebuked is enough for me, the angel in Revelations even scolded John for getting on his knees and almost worshipping the angel.
Because he was a cult leader
@@Joshua-dc1bs brother, that’s a hypothesis based on a Naturalistic interpretation of the gospel. I as a believer am no more biased than you.
@@nuanceatnoon naturalism is the default null hypothesis. If I came home with bruises all over myself, which is more likely: I got into a fight or witches attacked me?
I share a Reformed theological perspective (PCA member). I’ve been chatting with some Jehovah’s Witnesses that have come to my door several times, who claim that Jesus was created by God and is not part of God but “a god”. The conversation became a bit circular after a while and I’ll admit I wasn’t as prepared is Id like to be. A good experience that has encouraged me to dive into the Word and improve my recall/understanding for apologetics.
Love this channel!!
Keep digging Stevee. Two things can be wrong but for different reasons. Bart Ehrman is correct that Jesus didn't consider himself divine or equal to God. At the same time, to twist the 4 gospels and imply that their accounts aren't accurate because he thinks they conflict on a few minor issues is disingenuous. He is an atheist bible scholar, which is a philosophical impossibility. And Jehovah's Witnesses are the only organization worldwide that follows Jesus example in declaring the good news of God's Kingdom from 5 year old children to 95 year old grandmothers!
@RussellStrosnider JWs are the only organization that declare the good news to ages 5 through to 95? Patently False claim. One could argue there is more JWs evangelizing than other organizations, but to say the only organization is obvious false witness. Even Seventh Day Adventists share the same theology about Jesus not being divine, and they evangelize a lot. So better to make claims that are actually true.
There are many reasons to believe Jesus claimed to be God. First, lets look at the OT
Isaiah 9:6 which talks about a child being born, who is referred to as אֵ֣ל “El” or God and אֲבִיעַ֖ד which is translated to Eternal Father or Father of Eternity.
From Jesus himself:
1. Jesus claimed to be 1 with God
2. Jesus claimed to be “I Am” YHWH - I am that I am, when he said, before Abraham was I Am
3. Jesus accepted worship from Thomas who called him “my God” (in revelations, the angel rejected John’s worship, saying only give it to God).
4. Jesus said none is good but God, but also called himself the Good Shepherd (which is a title for God only in the OT)
To top it off, the Jews picked up their rocks to stone Jesus because “a mere man claimed to be God”
Shall I go on? I highly recommend doing your own research on this though! It is a fun endeavor
Have you tried using a Venn diagram with verse 3? All created things go inside the circle. If the Word created all things, then He is outside the circle. How can He be both the creator and created?
Or, you can show them in their NWT Interlinear that “other” does not exist in John 1:1.
Another question is, how can a god be an archangel, Michael?
I don’t focus on the nature of Christ anymore. I focus on salvation being a gift because JWs and most “Christians” try to earn salvation through good works. It’s a lot easier to prove, and the NWT hasn’t falsified the verses about that, that I know of.
If you can crack their confidence in the Watchtower concerning how salvation comes, they might open up to Whom it comes from.
Oops. You’re Presbyterian. You may have a hard time claiming salvation is by grace alone through faith alone apart from works, since Presbyterians believe baptism of infants plays a role in salvation.
I studied the work of Bart Ehrman extensively when training for the ministry and, while he is absolutely brilliant regarding his Biblical scholarship, you cannot ignore the fact that he does not believe in God. This, in and of itself, will blind him to the true import of what he studies. He simply will not understand until the scales fall from his eyes and he is confronted with the reality of just Who and What God really is. It also means he will go to the most trivial of points to try and prove his position but will not hear the clarity of the counter argument. Unfortunately he will remain blind until God opens his eyes. I only pray it happens before Bart is standing in front of him at the Throne.
Oh, and by the way, Bart repeatedly cites "Q" as a source document. The problem is that "Q" is a THEORETICAL document concocted during the enlightenment to explain the similarities in the synoptic gospels. No, and I repeat, NO evidence exists for the reality of "Q." It is pure speculation. Aside: "Q" is shortened from "Quelle," the German word for "source."
We have thousands upon thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament which include the synoptic gospels but not one single shred of a manuscript for "Q". It seems pretty clear to me that if "Q" did exist we would at least have found a few fragments. He used to be "Christian" but deconstructed and now he is on a crusade to help others deconstruct. So he is going to use whatever he can, and he knows his audience is gullible, to place doubt in the validity of the Bible as being inspired by God. It seems to me that "Q" would be his biggest weapon to place doubt. Unfortunately many people will see his credentials and just take whatever he says as "honest". I don't believe he is honest at all, I believe he is purposely deceptive but only God knows his heart and his intentions. I am just speculating here. This whole "Q" thing should just be disregarded in the scholar community because its just speculation and by no means scholarly since educated and informed people go off what is known to be true. The exception is our belief in God but my belief isn't just blind faith either, its belief based on life experience, rationale, and even supernatural things that happened in my life. God bless you!
Or you are so invested in your superstition that you believe things about your god that you would consider ridiculous if somebody else made them about their god and try to cover up the fact that your god is one among many with what seems like clever points.
He once believed in God. Then the scales fell from his eyes.
this goes the other way around too. bart uses secular reasoning and rationality to explain a more natural, realistic event in that region. anyone who already believe yahweh or the very specific version of god which is that of the jews, then you will try everything you can to connect non-existent dots.
@@kevinkelly2162 There are only two possibilities: Jesus was God or a troublemaking scoundrel. Unfortunately, He has been popularised as a Nice Guy, a chilled Rabbi saying cool things who met a bad end at the hands of The Man, who then riffed on his stuff to the detriment of everyone. Better to believe he was a baddie than that.
Catholic here, amazing content !! God bless you and your ministre!!
Your explanation gave me the assurance double dose once again 🙏
Num 23:19
New International Version
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
John 20:17
17 "Do not cling to Me,
" Jesus said, "for I have
not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.'"
Luke 4:8
8 But Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.”
Mark 12:29-31
important of all?" 29 Jesus answered,
"The
most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Deuteronomy 6
A "Hear, O Israel: " The LorD our God, the LORD is one.? 5 You shall love the LorD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. & And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart.
Exodus 20:3-5
3 "You shall have no other gods before ' me.
4 d«You shall not make for yourself a carved
image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 • You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God.
When Jesus was tempted by satan, Jesus said. Do not temp The Lord YOUR God. It's all over the testaments.
Becouse his Father was being tested in stepping in to save his son before its Time. Jesus had to die to redeem the sins of mankind, so yes God was being tested, not Jesus.
@ansenkiss1298 Jesus is the one that walks in the garden with Adam and Eve, dresses them etc. Jesus is the one that ate with Abraham and spoke to Abraham about destroying Sodom. Jesus wrestled with Jacob, spoke to Moses, spoke to Job etc etc. This is a revelation and I've noticed it doesn't occur with many people.
For unto us a King is born and will be called Mighty God, everlasting Father. Isiah 9:6
@@Grzmnky mighty God NOT Almighty God
@@Grzmnky Yes! It's Jesus who met Hagar in the desert, despairing, and saved her. It's Jesus who stopped Abraham from killing Isaac. It's Jesus whom Jacob wrestled with. And it's Jesus who walked in the Fire with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v exactly!!! Believe it or not, so many don't see those verses and say wow it's Jesus. It's pretty sad
Thank you for all your hard work and content. I've been struggling with my faith for years and content like this is helping me find the light.
You’re so welcome! This kind of comment makes my day as a former skeptic as well ❤️
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom I agree - thank you for what you do. It is sad how many Christians are not being fed in their churches. At the same time, we MUST get into our Bibles with prayer and humility. We are responsible to draw near to God.
You are not the only one that has been struggling with faith. Hang in there. Continue to look on things above.
Accept your struggling faith and question its assumptions.
@@kos-mos1127Takes more faith to be an atheist and believe there IS no God 😂😂😂 keep questioning your very own beginning as well.
I know the piano intro but can’t pin it down. Does anyone know the tune?
You do great videos-- thanks 🙏
“If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.”
Didn’t Paul say something like that?
@@geoattoronto ha no
And that proves what? That’s he is just like his father onviously
God can not die. Jesus died for the sin of the world
So he still has a father
One thing about the 4 gospels having different things to say…
If today there is a car wreck at an intersection, and there are 4 witnesses, one standing at each corner, they are 4 different people who will give 4 individual accounts of what happened. Although they have elements that are different, the main story is the same.
Only if they were all exactly the same would there be cause to suspect their validity.
Hence why the quran and torah has one version, that they reinterpret in a hundred ways to suit the rulers, while they use hadith and talmud to further interpret their suspiciously autoritarian and law-heavy holy books.
Your explanation was perfect, I just wanted to add that a one-version account is by nature suspicious.
I'm sort of getting into all of this, and if there's one sentence I'm missing - even when stellar people like Jimmy Akin go at it - is the phrase "I don't know".
It's been 2000 years, right, and *people* have been carrying the words of the Bible. Some are lost, some things we probably still don't know how to read because we lack context.
I find myself often taking a step back to allow other things besides scriptural, historical analysis to inform me. Often by remembering the first verse of John. And it makes me go "how on Earth could they *know* that about the Big Bang 2000 years ago?"
@@hrvadI do the same thing as you but as an atheist. I ask myself, if Jesus existed, why didn't he tell anyone that many lives will be saved if they wash their hands when performing surgery or delivering babies? He couldn't be bothered, evidently. Instead, science had to take a couple thousand years to discover it. What a scum bag.
A good video that has more such scum bag examples is, "What Would Jesus NOT Do?" by Non-Stamp Collector.
The real analogy is that you have 4 people who were NOT witnesses to the alleged car wreck writing down stories passed through an oral tradition (i.e. a telephone game) for somewhere between 30 years and 70 years. Oh, and there was very likely no wreck in the first place.
@@01MToddyou are making a lot of assumptions there.
I hope the great skeptic repents. I would love to see Bart Ehrman in heaven.
Love this comment.
I welcome that these discussions are taking place in a relatively healthy manner. Certainly, if one starts from a basis of faith in orthodox Christian doctrine, that becomes a filter on how each piece of scripture is interpreted; to question the veracity of a section of scripture would, axiomatically, undermine the faith, and that cannot be allowed from that perspective. What I find refreshing about Ehrman's approach is that he is not encumbered with the need to maintain the dogma of Christianity, so free from that he can ask basic questions of fact and logic as a historian would do. The new testament is a tapestry that even faithful Christian scholars will acknowledge has evolved over time. The basic history of Christianity shows how beliefs and dogma have changed from the time of Christ to the present day, as has the role and the text of scripture.
People keep writing new biographies of all sorts of famous people: Winston Churchill, George Washington, etc. They often do so because the world has changed since the last biography and some new aspect or reality of the subject needs to be highlighted. That doesn’t mean people are making up new facts or omitting things because they are “uninteresting.” It’s because they have a clear goal in their writing to a particular audience and time and place.
That is an awesome point and perspective! I will try to remember this.
Thanks! Positive feedback/comments on youtube! I'm loving it! God bless!@@graysonschoonover1109
Don't confuse modern authors with authors of antiquity. Our standards are much higher today than they were back then.
No one today would take seriously Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer. Back then, almost every story about anyone seen as a leader or "important person" had embellishments, usually of the magical kind, to make them seem grander, more powerful, and more successful then they were.
@@whatwecalllife7034 You're missing my point. I'm simply highlighting that people write with a purpose and include elements to fullfill that purpose and leave out other elements that don't fulfill that purpose. We should expect similar from Gospel writers.
@@whatwecalllife7034 I don't think anyone is denying that. An embellishment of an event doesn't discount the event taking place though.
I really enjoyed this video btw! I do want to know what your thoughts are of the authority of Paul’s writings. To me the vision he had of Jesus does not make him and eye witnesses or someone that learned underneath Jesus, so I am confused on why people look at Paul’s letters with the same authority as the gospels
Paul is no eyewitness to anything. Peter fought with him on the law concerning the Gentiles. And Peter sat with Jesus. Paul preached a new gospel and Peter wanted no part of it. The book of Peter tries to imply that they all saw their mistakes and admitted Paul was right, but we know Peter was illiterate and didn't write those books. So someone wanted us to think paul was prove right.
Beautiful video and commentary! Praise Jesus our King!! 🙌🏼❤️
Full head reveal at 600k subscribers?
Haha! 😂 Full head has been revealed in other videos but we gotta keep the fishers of men motif strong! 💪
Fishers wore hair-nets?@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
😂 this was funny
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom I mean yeah 😂. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth is God Almighty manifest in flesh as The Gospels teach us. Bart Ehrman is an agnostic historian so it would make sense that his pseudohistorical teachings are atheist leaning towards Atheism despite being constantly proven wrong. Knowing God is knowing what is Truth because reality is based on Truth hence The Creator of all things being Truth itself. AMEN Daily Dose of Wisdom back at it with the Apologetics ministry 🙏 ❤️ 👊. New Atheism heralded by Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Aaron Ra and others has failed and Michael Shermer is speaking nonsense clinging to questions rather than seeking answers. I've been wanting to study Euclidean mathematics as I'm a 24 year old Christian Apologist working as a teacher and counselor so yeah I see unhealthy information being spread through secular and religious beliefs in families and people all of the time which is why I don't always attend church because I'm studying The Bible alone in DA ZONE 😂. I've been watching Christian Apologetics videos since 2020 so these channels are really helpful especially on TH-cam and social media. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@justingary5322 Boy that is a load of crap! For someone who evidently reads a lot of religious appologies, your reading on science is quite shallow and berift of fact. You are getting your scientific knowledge from the same source as those who make money selling religion.
My heart rejoices with this conversation. Thank you for your great commentaries too. The analogy with superman was excellent. The questions about the characteristics is reaaly cristal clear about the error underlaying who questions the divinity of the Messiah. Awesome. God bless you.
Read Yeshua's origin story you freaking morons:
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.
Did it say, Jesus got off his throne in heaven and did a swan dive into Mary's womb?
No!
You freaking idiots!
If both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God's which contradicts the Old Testament, why would Jesus need the help of the Holy Spirit to get into Mary's womb, you morons!
YeHoVaH stated:
Isaiah 45
5 I am YeHoVaH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
What part of that do you idiots not understanding?!?!?!?
This is why you are getting nuked because Christianity contradicts the Bible on all matters!!!!!!!!!
There is no Rapture and you are going to find out real quickly when you idiots are nuked by the Muslims!
You also keep Christmas and Easter which are PAGAN in origin and YeHoVaH doesn't care what it means to you idiots who call Jesus, god, when it clearly means to HIM that it is an abomination!!!!!!!!!
Watch Michael Rood's Thermonuclear War, you morons!
You also believe in an eternal soul when it contradicts what YeHoVaH told Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden:
You were made from dust and shall return to dust!
YeHoVaH did not say, if you are good you go to heaven nor go to hell if you are bad!
And no where is there anything about purgatory, you idiots!
Again, this is why you are getting nuked!!!!!!!!!
All pagan and Satanic religions believe in the eternal soul, you freaking idiots including Christianity!
Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Greek and Roman religions, Babylonian, Egyptian, shamanism, and all the other religions believe in an eternal soul!!!!!!!!!!!!
You freaking idiots!
The Pope believes in an eternal soul as well, that False Prophet!
YeHoVaH WARNED Israel that HE would SEND FALSE PROPHETS to lead you away from HIM to other gods!!!!!!
What better way to do than for Satan to make Jesus into a god, you freaking idiots!!!!!!
Because you hate God's laws lying that it was nailed to the Cross because YeHoVaH failed with Israel with it, you have allowed Satanic men to takeover the world with Usury!!!!!!!
Stephen Told you morons that Israel failed because they resisted the Holy Spirit to keep it not because the Law was burdensome!!!
You beat your chests and proudly proclaim to keep myriads and myriads of men's laws and HATE Torah!
Christianity lied about keeping God's laws was not the way to Salvation!
YeHoVaH never, ever stated that HIS Torah or Laws had anything to do with Salvation, you freaking idiots!
Torah was to give you wisdom and understanding!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, wisdom and understanding to prevent 666!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wisdom and understanding to kill murderers, rapists, pedos, kidnappers rather than jailing them to provide housing, food, medical and dental care and allowing your poor to go without proper food and medical care, housing!!!!!
You freaking idiots!
Evil men and women have come in and enslaved you freaking morons!
Allowing illegals to enter and given free money whilst, the Christian idiots are being called Terrorists by your own government!!!!!!
You HATE HIS Sabbaths,
His Holy Days which are a representation of things to come, and other great laws to prevent evil men and women from taking over your nations!!!!!!!
The proof I am right is that YOU WILL BE NUKED and you are totally wrong will be when USA will be nuked!!!!!!
No Rapture you morons!
That's why only 144k saints are saved from those nukes!!!!!
Christianity is Satanic!
The NWO which was coined by HG Wells or proliferated its usage is about British Socialism!
He stated that people will die protesting against it which aims to wipe out all nations states!
Xi of China is a puppet of the NWO and that is why you can find him kowtowing like a dog to that Mystery Babylonian Bitch Queen Elizabeth II!!!
The Rothschild's banking cartel along with the British Crown has set up Central Banks throughout the world and enslaved it!!!!!!!
This is why they predict:
World Economic Forum
By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy (or else)!
And to put into place the Central Banking Digital Currency so that you cannot buy or sell, you freaking idiots!
You allowed the Bankers to takeover the world because you idiots have HATED YeHoVaH's Torah, the very Words that came out of the mouth of our Creator!!!!!!!!!!
You will soon be burned into the ground by those nukes and Prince William will rise from the flames and radiation as the False Messiah of the fallen Chosen Ones to be the Antichrist as he wipes out the useful idiots, Muslim nations!
John 5:43
I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
Because, you have taken away the Torah and mocked and insulted the Creator, YeHoVaH, by keeping Satanic PAGAN holidays, you will be nuked into ashes!!!!!!!
Christianity is Satanic
Yeshua warned us that wolves will come in and hijack the True Gospel of the Coming Kingdom of God and replace it with Satanism contradicting EVERYTHING in the Bible!!!!!!!
USSA will be nuked
That is the sign for your evil and adulterous generation!!!!!!!!
As a Jewish convert to Catholicism, I initially struggled with the concept of the Trinity. Everything else aligned well, but the Trinity was a stumbling block for me. What shifted my perspective was understanding the theological connections between Jewish traditions and Christian beliefs. Specifically, the relationship between Passover and the Mass demonstrated how Jesus’s Last Supper, interpreted as a Passover meal, symbolically ties into the establishment of the Eucharist in Catholic worship (linking Jewish liberation symbolism to Christian salvation). Additionally, my interpretation of Jesus's declaration "I am the way, the truth, and the life" as a reflection of his role akin to that of the Temple in Jerusalem, offered a new paradigm where Jesus himself becomes the pathway to divine relationship, replacing the physical Temple. Lastly, the claim that the pre-Hebraic form of the letter tav, used in ancient Hebrew, was shaped like a cross and marked above doorways during Passover intrigued me; although this is speculative and not widely evidenced archaeologically, it suggests a symbolic prefiguration of the cross of Christ in Jewish practice. These insights helped reconcile my understanding of Christian doctrines with my Jewish heritage.
Add the miracles, relics, historical records, etc. Attributed to him both THEN and SINCE his life on earth, and the evidence is simply overwhelming. He is who He says He was, even if people don't like it. The truth is the truth, regardless of your feelings. He couldn't have been anything other than God in the flesh...
He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today!
"His name is JESUS"
History is simply on His side. For two-thousand years, Christianity has been the dominant force in the world. Even if you consider yourself non-affiliated, there's no escape from the fact that Western views, morals, virtues, etc. All hinge on Jesus's life and teaching. Think about it... He was crucified by the Romans. Fast-forward a little bit, and he's literally worshipped by Romans as the new god. If he wasn't God, then he should've went down like all the false messiahs, but that's not what happened. If he was crazy, he was also extremely accurate with his prophecies. If he was a liar, then why didn't anyone come out and say so? Instead, you have the complete opposite of a lunatic, liar, and failure...
Food for thought. Don't listen to academics cherry-pick from the cafeteria. Experience Christ for yourself.
You should read deuterenomy 13
Actually if you look up Dr Heiser here on TH-cam you will see they are not Christian beliefs. The Jews believed God was spirit (elohim).
They believed Gods word was scripture. What they focused on was the law and not the promise given to abraham. And that promise was a son who would testify of him. This is where they missed it. Father, the word/son the two are the same in one spirit.
keep educating broo. make more videos about Gospel so the world get the right understanding about truth
I’ve learned so much more from theses types of conversations, than I ever learned in church. I am thankful that someone is raising these questions and causing these discussions.
Than you are in a false church.
@@pietroscarpa2384 really. And what makes you think the church I attended was false? We could have had a pastor that wasn’t very well versed in the Bible. Or, I could have been someone who slept most of the time during worship.
Tell me, how you drew your conclusion.
lol imaging our churches having scholarly debates , that’d be awesome
Very true
Read Yeshua's origin story you freaking morons:
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.
Did it say, Jesus got off his throne in heaven and did a swan dive into Mary's womb?
No!
You freaking idiots!
If both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God's which contradicts the Old Testament, why would Jesus need the help of the Holy Spirit to get into Mary's womb, you morons!
YeHoVaH stated:
Isaiah 45
5 I am YeHoVaH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
What part of that do you idiots not understanding?!?!?!?
This is why you are getting nuked because Christianity contradicts the Bible on all matters!!!!!!!!!
There is no Rapture and you are going to find out real quickly when you idiots are nuked by the Muslims!
You also keep Christmas and Easter which are PAGAN in origin and YeHoVaH doesn't care what it means to you idiots who call Jesus, god, when it clearly means to HIM that it is an abomination!!!!!!!!!
Watch Michael Rood's Thermonuclear War, you morons!
You also believe in an eternal soul when it contradicts what YeHoVaH told Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden:
You were made from dust and shall return to dust!
YeHoVaH did not say, if you are good you go to heaven nor go to hell if you are bad!
And no where is there anything about purgatory, you idiots!
Again, this is why you are getting nuked!!!!!!!!!
All pagan and Satanic religions believe in the eternal soul, you freaking idiots including Christianity!
Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Greek and Roman religions, Babylonian, Egyptian, shamanism, and all the other religions believe in an eternal soul!!!!!!!!!!!!
You freaking idiots!
The Pope believes in an eternal soul as well, that False Prophet!
YeHoVaH WARNED Israel that HE would SEND FALSE PROPHETS to lead you away from HIM to other gods!!!!!!
What better way to do than for Satan to make Jesus into a god, you freaking idiots!!!!!!
Because you hate God's laws lying that it was nailed to the Cross because YeHoVaH failed with Israel with it, you have allowed Satanic men to takeover the world with Usury!!!!!!!
Stephen Told you morons that Israel failed because they resisted the Holy Spirit to keep it not because the Law was burdensome!!!
You beat your chests and proudly proclaim to keep myriads and myriads of men's laws and HATE Torah!
Christianity lied about keeping God's laws was not the way to Salvation!
YeHoVaH never, ever stated that HIS Torah or Laws had anything to do with Salvation, you freaking idiots!
Torah was to give you wisdom and understanding!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, wisdom and understanding to prevent 666!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wisdom and understanding to kill murderers, rapists, pedos, kidnappers rather than jailing them to provide housing, food, medical and dental care and allowing your poor to go without proper food and medical care, housing!!!!!
You freaking idiots!
Evil men and women have come in and enslaved you freaking morons!
Allowing illegals to enter and given free money whilst, the Christian idiots are being called Terrorists by your own government!!!!!!
You HATE HIS Sabbaths,
His Holy Days which are a representation of things to come, and other great laws to prevent evil men and women from taking over your nations!!!!!!!
The proof I am right is that YOU WILL BE NUKED and you are totally wrong will be when USA will be nuked!!!!!!
No Rapture you morons!
That's why only 144k saints are saved from those nukes!!!!!
Christianity is Satanic!
The NWO which was coined by HG Wells or proliferated its usage is about British Socialism!
He stated that people will die protesting against it which aims to wipe out all nations states!
Xi of China is a puppet of the NWO and that is why you can find him kowtowing like a dog to that Mystery Babylonian Bitch Queen Elizabeth II!!!
The Rothschild's banking cartel along with the British Crown has set up Central Banks throughout the world and enslaved it!!!!!!!
This is why they predict:
World Economic Forum
By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy (or else)!
And to put into place the Central Banking Digital Currency so that you cannot buy or sell, you freaking idiots!
You allowed the Bankers to takeover the world because you idiots have HATED YeHoVaH's Torah, the very Words that came out of the mouth of our Creator!!!!!!!!!!
You will soon be burned into the ground by those nukes and Prince William will rise from the flames and radiation as the False Messiah of the fallen Chosen Ones to be the Antichrist as he wipes out the useful idiots, Muslim nations!
John 5:43
I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
Because, you have taken away the Torah and mocked and insulted the Creator, YeHoVaH, by keeping Satanic PAGAN holidays, you will be nuked into ashes!!!!!!!
Christianity is Satanic
Yeshua warned us that wolves will come in and hijack the True Gospel of the Coming Kingdom of God and replace it with Satanism contradicting EVERYTHING in the Bible!!!!!!!
USSA will be nuked
That is the sign for your evil and adulterous generation!!!!!!!!
Dr. Dan Wallace said there were two Barts, good Bart and bad Bart. It’s sad what happened to him. Supposedly, he, Bart, learned that it was possible the Bible quoting Jesus wasn’t exactly perfect and he came unraveled. Makes you wonder what kind of faith he had that he almost an atheist at thie point. My opinion, for what it’s worth, the devil got in his ear and turned him. Sad. He was Dr. Bruce Metzgers assistant and Dr. Metzger never wavered in his faith. Thanks for presenting. Keep up the good work, DDW. Shalom
"The devil" is fictional.
Bart has said in other videos about why he lost faith. It wasn't because of textual criticism, but because of the topic of suffering and evil. Sorry I don't have the video link. I'm pretty sure it's still on TH-cam.
@@richardgregory3684 maybe in your mind but satan or Lucifer and his minions are clearly real. Do you believe in good and evil?
@@richardgregory3684For someone that is "fictional," he sure does seem to be a very real part of society in all manner of media, from movies to literature to song to art...
This fictional person sure carries a lot of weight with the world, to be just a figment of someone's imagination.
@@wintersresurrection9841 And? Lots of fictional characters do. Harey Potter. Gandalf. Thor. Sherlock Holmes. Dracula. Darth Vader. King Arthur.
The commentator nailed it. Each Gospel shared a different purpose, this is good
I would love to see the entire video.
John was the only disciple who did not run away, who was himself there at Jesus’ crucifixion. It makes a ton of sense that John’s gospel is very different Mark, Matthew and Luke.
John didn’t write John. It was written in Koine Greek, not by an uneducated, illiterate disciple
@@martizzy your proofs for uneducated and illiterate?
Christianity says that there are three Gods, but this is a wrong view, the holy books have changed over time, they were written by human hands, many information are wrong, God is one, he has no spouse, he has no sons, he created the whole world, he shapes it, it is absurd that he needs a wife and sons. Islam is the last and supreme religion.
@@Poor-Wayfarer he was a peasant surrounded by similarly uneducated, illiterate people
@@martizzyBeing that Koine Greek was the language of commerce in that part of the world, and had been for a couple of centuries prior (due to Hellenistic, then Roman rule), John being able to at least speak the language wouldn't be an issue.
You're assuming that he was illiterate. Jewish boys would be educated as children, at the local Temple by the Rabbis. He probably could read and write.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work.
My general rule of thumb is this: Matthew, Mark and Luke are reports of things Jesus said and did; places he went; people he interacted with, etc. Those three books are not theological statements, per say, nor do they claim to be. While they each contain amounts of theology, as a whole, theology was not primarily their purposes.
Where as John's whole mission in writing was an entire theological statement about the deity of Christ, hence he opens with Christ being the word of God made manifest in the flesh (John 1).
To summarise: Matthew, Mark and Luke = this is WHAT Jesus said and did, etc.
John = This is WHO Jesus is and WHY Jesus came and did what he did.
As I mentioned at the beginning, it's a general rule of thumb, but I find it to be a really helpful way of looking at it.
8:15put it this way .. do u want a sunny day or a rainy day? If it’s sunny that’s god . = faith and the day ends good.. it’s ur choice.. the positive thought or the negative thought which one???? U got the free will … what a great gift!!❤❤
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This was so good dude! Congratulations. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Loving the content. 🫡
THIS WAS GREAT 👍🏾 Love hearing these skeptics trying to discredit/disprove Jesus and God. They are looking to how to disprove instead of just looking at the evidence and preponderance of evidence!!
SMH 🤦♂️
The blinders haven’t fell from Bart’s eyes , or he willingly doesn’t want there to be a God………………………
The context of "I and the father are one" is that both look after the sheep, ie they work together, like he that sows and he that waters are one"
The reason he doesn't constantly proclaim to be God himself is in John 10:30-34 where he quoted Psalm 82 when they want to stone him, not for the good works he does, but for claiming to be the son of god making himself equal with god.
In the Psalm God judges the Gods (Rulers) for doing good to evil and evil to good, and is sentencing them to death like men.
Jesus says judge me by my works i do and not because I say I am the son of god. And the things he does only Jehovah can do
In Matthew 16:16-17 he blesses Peter for calling him the Son of God saying this was directly revealed to him from the Father.
Your explanation of each Gospel covers a different aspect is also very true.
Peter does NOT call JEsus the literal son of God. He says he is the Christ-the anointed one or Messiah. He thought Jesus was a divine figure but not some literal SON. Son of God is used all over the Bible referring to divine figures but not a literal son. A voice was heard from heaven during Jesus baptism saying THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU. He is begotten at baptism.
Does commenting here count towards your monthly field service report time? Just wondering. Are the accounts issued from your society in NY or your own?@@Michael-le5ph
I think the early Christians were not taught to choose from four available sources of information as to which is the only authentic story of the gospel. I think they eventually had those four and concluded that they were being passed on by eyewitnesses and servants of the Word, that they can have full faith in them though each presented their versions slightly different from the others. Let's say, for example, Justin Martyr, one of the earliest Christian converts, may possibly had access to those infos, and then later learned by his disciple, Tatian, who then organized them for the first harmonic approach, called, The Diatessaron, which was accepted and used by the Church until the 5th century, which then returned to the four-fold approach of having to read the accounts separately.
The thing about Dr Bart is that he saw Christianity as a jewish attempt to copy their neighbor's religions, but then that's funny considering the jews hated Christianity because they already had Judaism with them. The second thing, is, Dr Ehrman does not believe in miracles, which, we could all agree by how he defined and expected it, that a miracle is something that science can not explain (because other claims of miracles must have some scientific explanations and so he rejected them as authentic miracles). He sees this as requirement to prove the validity of everything Jesus taught. On my own experience, I received a miracle from God in the year 1995, a cracked wristwatch glass that was made whole like brand new upon putting my hand to it (I will understand if everyone will not believe it, I have already accepted it, and funny enough, my mother herself did not believe me either, but it did happen, it's a long story behind it, of course I was happy it was answered - as a request from God to show that He does miracles in our times not only in the old testament days - but I thought there was a deeper reason behind it and until now I don't know why and for what purpose).
You asked God to prove himself? I know of a couple stories where He did prove himself that way to doubting Thomases.
Well, God did something much more significant than that for me. And I only realised it when I counted the days from A to B. I landed in NZ to spend time with my mother who’d got very hard cancer. I landed the last day in december 2020. She began the irreversible process of dying on the last day of december 2022. That stage where no swallowing, no talking, no longer responsive.
I had planted in my heart the request that she be with us another couple of years, because, you can’t expect people never to die, but you might be lucky enough to make good use of a certain amount of time.
Well, never mind a vague “couple” of years. Exactly two years to the day and, now that I think of it, it was duak when I landed, it was dusk when she drifted into unresponsiveness.
It’s not about exchange, transaction not about “Do this and I shall believe”. It’s more like, here is something important, I would appreciate if it could happen - knowing that it is not God’s will to intervene willy nilly and deny our free will or bend all reality for us. Just… divert reality a bit, now and then, when no one is watching with a tick list and a stop watch.
You can bet I keep this private, I tell you the complete stranger, just because, maybe you can appreciate why people believe, and it’s not about a personal genie fixing everything and holding back the tides. Perhaps the watch thing was really important to that poster, or the best, small way to give something that would go unnoticed by the doubters, and be of huge reassurance to him personally.
Doubters who call on God, obviously, if you were the God who gave free will and wanted sincere humans as companions, you’d ignore their requests for a sign, because what then would become of their free will? With believers there is not so much risk that they follow out of fear alone.
The early church had MANY books they circulated. It was only hundreds of years later that we get the NT canon we have now. People today would be shocked if they went back in time to the early church. today's idiots would be trying to burn them as heretics. Im telling you the church today is led by imbeciles.
what's even funnier is that even the jews acknowledge his miracles lol. They called it "sorcery" in the Talmud. If Christ' enemies were trying to make him look bad, they could have just said he was a blasphemer who didn't do any of this. Here, they accept he did stuff, but they thought it was evil.
@@sliglusamelius8578 Thank you for the question. Uhm, it's not really about asking God to prove Himself, but something in a way He worked in the Old Testament times compared to the NT, for example, God saved the friends of Daniel from the furnace (Hananiah, Mishael, Azariah, a.k.a. Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego), while in the New Testament times, the Christians were burned alive by the then emperor Nero. We see a long list in chapter 11 of Hebrews, with the last verse saying "Heb 11:40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."
Now going back to Dr Bart Ehrman's question as to why Jesus never claimed to be God, I would posit that he seemed to forget that Jesus was on a mission while here on earth.
"Php 2:6-8 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!"
If Jesus claimed to be God by saying he is God, then we would not be seeing this verse. However, at some point his disciples would have to prove the deity of Jesus, so other than saying it directly, Jesus showed three of his disciples his divine nature by changing his appearance as that of a God (Mat 17:1-9) and then after the ascension of Jesus, two of them testified about it (since James was earlier killed by Herod, even then, the rule applies that a matter be settled by 2 or 3 witnesses). As for Peter (2Pe 1:16-18), and for John (1Jn_4:14; 1Jn_5:9-10; 2Jn_1:7; Joh_1:14). And if Bart would have it, Jesus said, in Revelation, that he is The Alpha and the Omega, a name only God can say.
These discussions actually discourage me "in a way". I see truth thoughtfully presented but have sadly not seen the truth change the mind of critics like Ehrman or others.
It has changed critic's minds in the past, so I wouldn't discount the value of these discussions. It may not change Bart Ehrmans mind, but there's thousands of others watching, and if even one of them changes their mind, the hosts of heaven will rejoice.
They have a hardened heart.
Ron, I'm sharing this with you because I just read this comment from 5 minutes ago and I cried. God IS working! Don't grow weary in doing good. In this world we will have trouble, but take heart, He has overcome the world...
Here's the comment.. Glory to God!
"Ehrman had fooled me for years but now I've found Jesus and left Paganism after watching your content for a while. Thank you for posting this."
@@99range92defThey lack sufficient evidence. There fixed it for you.
Ive seen a lot of the top athiests say that even if they saw Jesus return in the clouds they would try to rationalize is as a haulucination or than aliens are deceiving them. It's a heart issue not a evidence issue.@@kos-mos1127
Great video!! Love your analysis ❤
Only thing to say about ol Bart is ... Romans 1 : 22
Peter Williams is fantastic and he actually get a little perturbed at Bart circular reasoning in this "debate".✌️
Does a claim have to be verbal? Or was the claim demonstrative?
Have been watching your educational content and greatly enjoy it. Am as Passionate as you are so I understand. Your work helps advance the kingdom of God and the truth in Christ. Keep the content coming! God bless you brother.
I appreciate that!
Always amazed how Jesus became and remains the most talked about in any reference.
It’s because Christians keep bringing him up. No one would talk about Jesus if Christian’s stopped mentioning him.
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You are a vessel of devils, no doubt. I pray the true austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ grants you a true road to Damascus conversion... @@kos-mos1127
Hebrews 10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
@@kos-mos1127 So who keeps bringing up Caesar Augustus, Kubla Khan etc.? Surely we would have stopped talking about them by now.
@@suede__ Augustus Caesar and Kubula Kahn were conquered the known world.
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.' (John1:1-5, 14)
I’m convinced Bart doesn’t actually believe what he’s pedaling. The intro’s 30 second description of his debate tactics are spot on.
Also, he is demanding that all of the Gospels, including Mark which is believed to be the first written, should all have the same wording, teachings, etc. The problem with this is that if they did all contain the same stories, exact wording, etc. , anyone skilled in forensic analysis would have to toss it as a corroborated hoax and not actual eye witness statements.
There was a person who tried to con me into thinking Jesus wasn't God in human form. I reminded them of John 8:58, John 10:30, John 1:1-4. This person then tried to tell me that I was reading an incorrect greek translation. I told them that Biblical scholars have confirmed over and over that Jesus does declare himself to be God. They actually tried to use John 17 to deceive me. It didn't work, and I just pity that person. I accept Jesus Christ, the Son of God and God in human form, as my Lord and Savior. I stand with him, no matter what.
I have a question for you "yo-shua": The one who told you it was an "incorrect Greek translation" .. is their first tongue Greek?
Also, regarding "accepting": "Accepting Jesus as your personal Saviour" is an American false Gospel, not true first century Acts 17 Berean exegesis Mark 1:15/Luke 13:1-5/John 3:1-21/Romans 10:9 qualified/Galatians 1:7-9 Gospel teaching. Please go see this location:
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I think you are referring to John 17:3 where Jesus referred to his Father as "the only true God". Jesus referred to his Father as God. Jesus only claimed to be God's son. (John 10:36) It is important to understand the greek when using scriptures to "prove" that Jesus is God himself. If not, you may come to a wrong conclusion. You mention John 8:58. In this verse, Jesus is talking about his pre human existence. He is not claiming to be God. Several translations render this verse "Before Abraham existed, I have been" or "I existed before Abraham was born." The Greek expression in this verse is very different from the Hebrew expression found in Exodus 3:14 where God says "I am who I am" or, according to some versions, "I will be what I will be." John 1:1 has two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god). Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article points to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that he was "divine", "a god", but not Almighty God himself. Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God [ho theos]". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
You most likely came across a Jehovah Witness. A lot of what they are taught comes from a false interpretation of the greek. They get their teachings from the watchtower, which is a heretical organization that teaches many historical incorrect points concerning the Christian faith. It’s a dangerously deceptive cult and much of what they say when defending their beliefs are drilled responses. That’s why it’s important to know the Bible and it’s history. Religious folks love taking advantage of people’s ignorance.
@@jollyrancher521 “and the Word was God”, or in greek, “and God was the Word”. That text is pretty straight forward. The Son(the Word OF God) is with the Father(the invisible God) and the Son(the Word OF God) is God: because Jesus and the Father are one; the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. The text is saying that they are one Being. No fancy interpretation needed, it’s plain and simple. Jesus is God
@@jollyrancher521 also, that is not how the article is used in in greek language concerning John 1:1. The word “Theós” is describing the article(the Word). Theon(God or Divine) is used to describe the article(the Word). So when you see Theós and Theon in the same sentence with that grammar, it’s describing the Word to be God, not something like God. The Word is literally being called God.
This is very helpfull. I find Bart Ehrman very challenging for myself. He seams so logical to me.
Thanks you for the video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Will do!
You should listen to the Lord of Spirits Podcast. They take Ehrman to task frequently.
Lord of spirits do not listen to that podcast you will rapidly lose brain cells.
@@kos-mos1127 What makes you say that?
Bart Errorman has been debunked by Jimmy Akin, using Barts own words against him. Watch the video, the last time I've seen Bart that angry, he was ripping Jameela Muhammed White apart metaphorically.
I think it’s beneficial for people to go and watch this debate, or at least this segment of the debate, which is in the last 35 minutes. Justin presents the question to Bart and Peter by asking about if we can really know what Jesus himself said, which is why Bart responds the way he does. Only in John’s gospel does Jesus himself make any claim to being God. Statements about being one with the Father or being preexistent from Jesus own mouth are not found in the Synoptics, which prompts one to ask, Did Jesus really say these things or are they being put on his lips by the author of John?
You heard it here first, because Mark and John wanted to focus on different themes for their gospels that means Christianity is false. I'm sure that nobody in the last 2000 years of Christianity has thought about or addressed this point. Good thing we have big brain Bart Ehrman here to debunk our archaic world view.
I love Peter J. William ❤❤❤
Look how flippant in atheism Bart Erhman is.. Dead in unbelief.
maybe you can condemn his to hell while you are at it--seems the christian thing to do.
One plausible explanation is in the earlier gospels they left those parts out intentionally for fear of being killed by Jews. These are still humans writing the gospels and maybe in Mark and John they figured leaving out parts that illustrate Jesus as divine would save them from blasphemy accusations.
11:11 I love that! I screenshot it on my phone and I am time stamping so I can return to this segment of the video at a later point.
Bart doesn't understand that children do not learn who their parents are by way of their parents saying explicitly, "I am your mother/father" to them. They learn who they are through their parent's behaviour toward them. In fact, it never has to be said explicitly at all. It is a testament to God's unending mercy in generosity that Jesus does both for us.
So you're agreeing with him that the historical Jesus never claimed to be god? Amazing
Actually it's both, first telling them you are their father or mother, and then proving it every day in the way the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ commands.
@tomasrocha6139 Answering your own question is a sign of neuroticism. You want to ask the question, but you are scared of the answer, so you try to pre-empt it. There's no need to be afraid, though. I think Jesus was crystal clear that he was God. I just think that he actually didn't need to say it. He only needed to be it, but the fact that he did say it is evidence of God's overwhelming generosity. Still, even that is not enough for some people.
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 I don't know how else yo say this without sounding a bit rude, but you do not have to sit down your children and say to them "I am your father" like Darth Vader for them to know you are their father. You just be their father, and they will start calling you dad. If you were a parent, you would know this.
Furthermore children do not learn a language by having one adult talk AT them. They watch adults talking with one another and see them doing actions that relate ti those words. “Fetch me a glass of water” and they see adult B bring a container of wet to the other one. “A glass of milk” next time, and the container was the same but the wet changed colour. From that they learn “glass”. From bottle of milk, the container has changed, but the liquid is that white one again. From that they learn “Milk”.
Now, if one adult in a house speaks a language to a kid, and never in front of a kid to another person, all that kid learns is very basic, full of error, yes, no, angry words, very basic. This is why mixing of cultures causes languages to die, the child never becomes fluent. Two parents speaking one language guarantees fluency, even in a country where the business language is something else.
My point is, humans learn by deminstration, observation, multiple witnesses and contexts. They never learn by being told, ever ever ever.
God's subtle humor always gets me the best! Erhman...err man... ironically enough too Err is human, but too forgive is divine... our surnames generally say alot.
Jesus is God, as is the Father as is the Holy Ghost. In His image we too are 3 in 1...physical being, brain capable of clear communication, and a spirit that wants you too understand the only Way, Truth and Life worth knowing intimately. Love u all 'cuz of Yeshua
so God gave Barth the name Erhman to mock him? and you wonder why people are leaving churches. you are an idiot. and the church are fools.
Jesus accepted worship. very simple .
“Return to your own house, and tell what great things GOD has done for you.” And he went his way and proclaimed throughout the whole city what great things JESUS had done for him.”
Honestly, solid Superman example! Keep up the awesome work man. God bless you!
Thanks bro!
I think we're due for a collaboration in 2024! @@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
😅 have you ever seen the little short of a father ask what the kid is doing, the kid is running away, the father ask why, the kid says " you said you dont love me ", the dad said "i never said that !, i said turn off thevideogame!" Kid says "its the same thing ". 😅. The message is the same in all the gospels even if we think we hear something different, just takes some thinking.
Thank you!
One verse they missed was a verse I noticed a few years back when this argumentation started growing on TH-cam. It's in Mark,
Mark 14:62-64 ESV
[62] And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” [63] And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? [64] You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.
Very clearly they realize he is claiming, "I am" and they claim him to be deserving of death. They knew what he was saying
what is this SON OF MAN? please elaborate on this. scholars have written entire books on this. it's not straight forward as it seems.
Love your videos mate, but you really need to come up with some variations to the phrase "with all that being said".
Noted!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom love you mate, God bless!
It's almost like 4 different people wrote their personal accounts of the life of a person they found important. Obviously the differences mean it's all made up because if 2 news articles talk about the same topic but use different words, it all made up. Duh, everyone knows that!! Gosh!!
The Simpsons taught me to never trust Bart.
Newspapers don't claim to be the innerrant word of god, they do not claim divine inspiration. The gospels are anonymous, written decades after the events they claim, they are not eyewitness account but hearsay, they don;t just use different words but disagree about fundamental facts. They also get more and more embelished with greater claims the more distant they become from the time they allege to write about. There's not a shred of objective evidence for these claims these obvous myths make.
_"4 different people wrote their personal accounts of the life of a person they found important"_
Three of them using almost the exact same words a lot of the time does not suggest "personal". Either they were all taking dictation from the Holy Spirit, or two of them were borrowing from the first-written.
Each Synoptic Gospel agrees word for word with the others most of the time look up the synoptic problem, the 4th Gospel doesn't because it's fanfiction.
@@tomasrocha6139 Oh really? Word for word huh? So who was the father of Joseph? Jacoc (Matthew) or Heli (Luke). There are literally dozens of examples where the gospels contradict each othe rover basic facts. They don;t even agree with each other in the story of the Tomb.
@@richardgregory3684 I said most of the time, not all the time, look up the synoptic problem, most of Matthew and Luke are copied from Mark
What you said at the end, that Jesus submitted to the father. I don't think enough is said about this. It says more about his humanity and how we should act or behave.
Like a slave bowing to authority?
Jesus submitted to the Father because while Jesus is God in human form on earth, God is also still in Heaven. God can not be limited in one realm. He is everywhere at once.
@@joshuasepeda3289 Is that truth?? because what you believe to be true about God and Jesus is not what other Christian believe. that's one of the reason why there are different sect of Christian denomination.
Infact I don't think you're in a position to defend what is truth about the doctrine of Christianity, Because what you believe to be truth can just be your interpretation of what is true but not truth. because other christian held their interpretation to be true an to them your interpretation is false but it doesn't make it false an what you held to be true doesn't prove that other christian beliefs are false.
Yes 🎯 Brandon on the 3rd option.
Can't remember where I heard it, but it was super well explained, so I'm thinking maybe Mike Winger, maybe one of my local pastors.
Each if the gospels has a theme, and when you put them altogether, they spell out his Priestly authority, humanity, kingly & divine. I probably have the order wrong.
Each Gospel actually focuses on their own theme.
When studied carefully, it's clearly cohesive as a whole ❤
In my family and with friends, when we talk about events each person talks about it from their perspective. It doesn't mean only one is right, it just means they saw it from different angles. That's what Iit's like reading all 4 Gospels.
Each of the gospels portrait one of the faces seen on the creatures in Ezequiel 1. If I'm not mistaken, Luke is the man, Matthew the Lion, Mark the ox, and John the eagle.
How? Explain this to me please
@@GlennGakiri Matthew points out his genealogy from David. Luke his genealogy from Adam. Mark talks about him as a servant which an ox is an image of, and John talks about him being the son of God which is a heavenly being like an eagle.
Yes it is also the 4 beasts (creatures) around the throne in Revelation 4:7. Luke represents Christ as man, Matthew as the lion which is the Messiah (the lion of the tribe of Judah), Mark as the ox or calf which represents Christ the servant and John the eagle represents Christ as God, which is the opening of the gospel of John. You are correct.
I never knew this! That's brilliant! Thanks 👍
no text says this anywhere.
Could you imagine a scholar demanding you read a book where each chapter has the identical content from the previous, never adding any new content or information? Smh
Most biographies tell the same identical story.
That's sound minded valid.
@@kos-mos1127I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re being sarcastic haha.
No two biographies about anyone, ever, are identical. This would be a huge red flag, with likely one biography consisting of an original and one being a work of plagiarism.
You should expect to see shared themes and perhaps some shared portrayals of the same events, but they will be from different perspectives and therefore include nuanced differences.. at least that is what one would expect to see from any credible eye witness accounts. And that is what we get from the gospels.
Lots of biographies about George Washington, lots about Abraham Lincoln. Would you claim they are all the same?
@@kos-mos1127 Have you ever read two or three biographies of one person? They are never identical and always provide different details.
Awesome recap! Great exposition of Ehrman’s employed fallacy.
He “lost” his faith and wants us to lose ours. But we are not ignorant of his devices.
uh huh. you can't even get out of your own way.
Beautiful video. Thanks 🙏🏻
Cold-Case Christianity - J. Warner & Jimmy Wallace explains at least one, perhaps more, videos out helping us understand why the Gospels are different from each other and how this proves their true origin.
Please look into this. God Bless.
That guy was either a sloppy detective or not so good at transferring his former career skills to theology.
It also makes a difference on who the readers are, i have thought that Mark and Mathew are more Jewish oriented, John is to those who are believer.
@dentonhahn so 3 of the 4 gospels aren't intended for "believers"? Insane.
What is insane is thinking that the 3 earliest of the four gospels would be written for people who had already converted. Would you draw a map for someone who is already driving daily from work to home, or for a newcomer to the neighbourhood?
@JohnP-go6wf oh I was thinking more that Mark, Matthew are more for a Jewish people, Luke tells us he is writing to a Mr theopolis, as historical account. John says he is writing to those who believe. Matthew and Mark are more like dragnet," just the facts mama", these people already know the messiah is coming, could this be the Christ, do these events match the prophesies, kind of writing.
@asphilosophy2430 no no, they are all intended for believers, but the language is more towards Jewish audiences, that doesn't mean believers can't learn from them, but some of it is better understood from a Jewish perspective, for one like Jesus referring to psalm 22 from the cross, it was a rabininical way to quote from a passage to bring to mind the whole passage. Sorry I'm not getting the right term to mind at this time, but it is clearly understood to a Jewish audience, rather than gentile, we don't see that in John, it is addressed to the believers.
@@dentonhahn2907 It's not that simple really.
It's fun to use Ehrman's "developmental view" on his own life. First he did real research ("here's how we figure out the original text using scribal variants"), then he gradually started getting bigger responses to more sensational claims, and now here we are ("the scribes have completely mangled the bible! we have no idea what it said!")
You are totally right. Each Gospel is unique from the individual's witness and portrayal of Jesus. Each was written with a different perspective and audience as you indicated. It is not about a developing belief about Jesus that changes over time.
Additionally, it seems that Jesus was gradual into revealing fully who He was. Initial miracles He would tell the person not to tell anyone. At times He would say that it wasn't yet time. It would seem that He needed to prepare the people to be receptive and believing who He really was.
Bro you’re right
If I just have 100 people watching me drinking water with a glass 🥃
And you ask them to write down exactly what they saw me doing, the script will be different
But that doesn’t mean that I’m different it’s me being explained my actions by 100 individuals of people
Each individual is not the other
“Individual one
i saw Kingfluenx drinking water “
Individual 2
“He reached the glass of water “
Individual 3
He sips water as he was standing
“Individual 4
drank all the water in the glass
Individual 5
he held glass with water
Individual 6
he was thirsty and drank water
Individual 7
he drank entire glass of water
Individual8
he quenched his thirst with water
Up to 100 so what about my appearance?
i am short or tall?
Where did I claim to be thirsty?
Only thirsty people drinks water?
how many tested if indeed it wasn’t a white wine ?
this is the story of faith based on eye witness accounts
it’ll always differ but come to the same conclusion
As you may have seen no one described me with my age dress code and the size of the glass some didn’t mention the glass
who can actually come and give clarity?
Me myself!
Like Jesus will give clarity not some atheist
Mark 14:62
Pretty clear isn't it? lol
@@sampence484 I’d like to thank the late Nabeel Qureshi for explaining this passage to me like I was a 6 year old 🙏
I was curious about why he didnt just showed this too. Lol probably the respond is still going to be "weelll he doesnt say he is god tho".
@@darklurkerirl6101 bart ehrman is selectively pedantic to a cringe degree
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:1 does not speak of a three-persons-in-one-God Trinity (Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God yet they are not three Gods but one God with all three persons co-eternal and co-equal). It only speaks of God and the Word. There are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god) in this verse. The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article means that the word “theos” in this case does not point to the identity of the Word but rather to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not the same as “ho theos”. Several modern Bible versions translate the final part of John 1:1 as “the Word was divine,” “the Logos was divine,” “a god was the Word,” or “the Word was a god.”
@ingaz a lot of scholars think the prologue if John is a forged interpolation, written by a polytheistic convert who wanted to deify Christ.
Name a scholar, so that we can weigh him. You said “scholars” but let’s have one who claims exactly what you said.
@@asphilosophy2430 It is the view of most scholars that John was written to show that Jesus is the divine Logos-Word and that Jesus existed before creation with God. Scholars believe John was written by someone in a group of believer that thought this was true.
@Michael-le5ph John 20:32 says the gospel was written so that people would believe Jesus us the Christ and the Son of God. Nothing about being God or a pre-existent Logos at all, so that is wrong.
I see it this way; what would be the point of four independent Gospels if they were carbon copies of each other?
The answer to that is:
They were each intended to cover different aspects of the life and teachings of Christ, as well as reach different target audiences.
They were selected and placed in their particular order to be read sequentially to paint a much broader picture than they could do independently.
The gospels are addressing different groups of people thats why sometimes they deviate or say things differently. There's prophetic implications to the differences in the gospel s and the mass majority don't even realize it. Thats why people get so confused when reading the gospels. Everything in the bible is prophetic.
"In Mark and Q" ... Dave suggest Q is this magical physical document, but we all know that that magical document must have been the Holy Spirit
Based.
you are making the same appeal to a hypothetical as Dave. you say WE ALL KNOW....that is code for preaching to the choir. we don't KNOW anything. Q existed because Luke proves it does in his gospel. He says he has put together many accounts from others to form his gospel. those other writings are clearly not just Mark and Matthew as his account varies form them. The shepherds, the census, Elizabeth and Mary, Zechariah, etc. Luke says he was not an eyewitness so where did those accounts come from ? other sources=Q
@Michael-le5ph that's exactly the point. Good to see you write out the obvious subtext.