Lesbian Student Asks SUPER HONEST Questions (Important Responses)
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If you put 100 lesbian couples and 100 gay male couples and 100 normal couples on 3 separate islands, never to meet or communicate with each other or the outside world, for 100 years, with all the necessary food. Go back and see which island still has people alive on it. THAT is natural law.
Same would happen if 200 straight men or women on it. That's just biology so bad argument. Not disagreeing how things are, but a biological argument is not fitting
Amen! In the end, God will not be mocked.
Hey pipe down man, save the women for me.
That’s an intense situation. But not a bad point.
Natural law doesn’t determine morality? The natural law in animals do all types of things we think are immoral. And also would you then say if a man gets married to a women who is infertile that is immorally wrong then?
In short, the "Love is love" mantra is an equivocation. It equates "Love as wanting the best for another" with "Love as fulfilling my own desires, even at the expense of another".
Yeah, or "agape is romantic attraction."
@@isheworthy
You evidently do not understand how Koine Greek works!
Agape love is love based on principle, romantic love is Eros, the former (Agape) has nothing to do with a so-called "romantic attraction"!
God, in the beginning set the standard of morality, what is good and what is bad, right and wrong!
Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities were all destroyed because of their gross sexual immorality and perversions of what is natural! The world we now live is a world-wise Sodom and Gomorrah, it's even affecting children and grandchildren!
And love is not sex. Sex is an expression of love. Love comes from the heart not the loins. I may be attracted to someone but I choose to not have sex with them because I'm married. Sex is a choice from lust not love.
I just want to say I appreciate it how you name your videos like "atheist asks honest/important question - brilliant response" and don't use dumb titles like "OMG AthEiSt GeTs DeStRoYeD". It's always nice to see how we can portray respectful debates.
^Yes absolutely appreciate this. Respect for others in this manner whether they're wrong or right is the least we can do.
@@aaro96live Right. Atheist sometimes annoy me when they are raging about what they don't believe and being disrespectful but the least I can do to them is try to be respectful so that I may be an example to them. I still dislike when Christians try to be like "Atheist just got destroyed" because it makes it seem as we are the bad guys for trying to spread the Gospel.
I like it when an Atheist and a Christian can have a civil discussion not just a debate. I had a friend who would always scream out his answers and was an atheist, I have not talked to him in a while we are still friends but his disrespectful behavior has always lead me to learn not to be disrespectful towards him. I don't know if he is still like that because we only talk once in a while sense he has different classes then me and what I can do is pray for him. We have had civil discussions before which i enjoyed, i am still gathering knowledge to show him christ but I do hope he is doing better and again its always good to have a simple debate or discussion :)
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah regarding sex as sin.
Love your videos, brother!
Thanks so much! Yours as well! I’d love to collaborate in some way with you all. Maybe a podcast or some street preaching?
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Yes yes yes!
Glad you play the clip-agree her question was not answered- he was making opinion statements-the Holy Bible would have help him to answer her questions-much babbling on his part😊❤
Woman who's attracted to women here 🙋♀️ have been all my life but I know that it would be a sin to act on that so I dont act on it, simple. As a teen I thought I was a lesbian as I've got older I've realised I like men like God made me to and now I have 3 sons 😁 I'm so happy God steered me away from that particular sin or I would have missed out on the blessing of children.
Sounds like you also like women.
@@Paulzor923 Gay parents also receive the blessing of children.
Congrats on your children. I pray they grow up to be strong loving christians like yourself.
@@CurlycomedyNot possible.
How do you know your god exists and steered you away from anything?
Why did your god make you bisexual to begin with?
Why is it ok for straights to “act upon it” but not other sexual orientations?
A man loving a woman is not always pure.
A man could love a woman that isn't his wife, that's adultery.
Yes but a heterosexual man is attracted to women. Christians often conflate attraction with sex. The Bible says that we should choose to not have sex before or outside of marriage but we are sexually pure inside of marriage. However, these are parameters for sex, not that we are created with attractions to people.
What this woman is asking is why did GOD create her with not only attraction for women but a lack of attraction to men?
As a heterosexual man GOD created me with attraction to women and a lack of attraction to men.
A homosexual is created with an attraction for the same sex and a lack of attraction for the opposite sex.
See what Christians do is they never address the core of this topic. Let's say the Bible said I had to marry a man to be godly. Yet I am only attracted to women and have no attraction to men, then I have very few choices. Marry someone I am not attracted to, or desire, or be forced to remain single never which only the outside appears that I am godly since I still have lustful thought and desire, longings for companionship, and love.
What Christians need to do is deal with the idea that GOD has created people who have no attraction to the opposite sex. And we know forced celibacy has a horrific history.
Many Western Christians sadly have been lying about this topic for years because the truth is simply to difficult.
First, regardless of sexual orientation you either have Jesus or you don't. If we are talking to people who don't have Jesus, then to talk to them about Jesus.
When reading the Bible what many Christians neglect to see is the context of any "homosexual" passages.
In Leviticus 18 it says
Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God.
Romans 1:7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
GOD is speaking only to His Children, those who are called by His name. So if the people we are talking to aren't His children (Believers) then we have no business even having this conversation in fact then our job is to share the Gospel.
If we are talking to Christians then Jesus has washed them clean 1 Cor 6:11 But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
And we have faith that GOD will complete the work He has begun in them.
6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
Morality will never save you ONLY Jesus can and none of us are moral. And immorality will never condemn us because without Jesus we are already condemned.
John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
What far too many Christian have done is made Christianity another man-made religion. The enemy has used this topic to wreck the Church and it's sad to watch.
While Christians are focused on this topic, they fail to see the world is marching to global war and economic collapse. They fail to see that the LORD over the last 4 years is collapsing the West including America not because of the Lost but because His people are wicked.
2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
In my 30 years as a Christian I have never seen the Church adopt so many heresies. Christians claim to preach the truth but can't define what salvation is or how it's obtained. Is it by faith alone or faith+ can it be lost or is it once saved always saved? Also, Christians keep trying to tie morality to salvation which is anti-biblical. The reason Jesus died is because morality can't save us. Every doctrine is in dispute, there is no truth in the Church anymore and yet Christians are blind to it. And we wonder why we see Pastors and leaders caught in scandals. It's because morality and self-righteousness is the god of the day not Jesus.
@@MirandaSinistra
Is the wife enjoying it?
@@YuelSea-sw2rp
Stupid for stupid
But I was chatting to Miranda if you don't mind.
So that's proof that not all straight love is pure. Why then assume that gay love is impure by its very nature?
Loving another women is not adultery. You should love all women even when you're married. Sex outside of marriage is adultery.
As Christians we need to stop calling sex love because it's not. Love is always beautiful, sex is not.
I’m going to watch this forever. I love how he answered with love and humility
It's also documented that children who are abused by sexual predators often fall in love with their abusers. Love is not Love.
@@mvj1153 - Just understand that being LGBTQIA+ does not make one a predator. Many same sex couples with children can attest to this!
@@TheFirefishe Of course. I was not implying that in my statement. Read it again.
@@TheFirefishe an overwhelming percentage of LGBT aligning people experienced childhood trauma or lack of a stable family/house hold. A large portion is comprised of undiagnosed/misdiagnosed autists. LGBT is a social contagion, and this is ESPECIALLY evident nowadays with the exponential uptick in self-identifying homosexuals/non-binaries/pansexuals etc. CHILDREN. There is no biological precedent for homosexuality
@@TheFirefishe i’m not implying this, but there is a correlation. Read the book « Born Gay ? » it shows studies shown that at least 4 in 5 gay men have confessed they had a homossexual relationship with an adult when they were underage.
Freedom is knowing how you ought to live and having the strength to do so ~ Josh McDowell
Sexual desire is not love.
It's not the desire they are complaining about. It's the acting out of that desire that they are complaining about
But it often is part of love
if only not to the spause...
Nuff said.
Looking at a gay couple in love, and seeing nothing but sexual desire, is YOUR problem.
Love is a morally neutral thing. It is not good or bad. "Love is love" thus means nothing at all- as Vodie said, the object of our love determines whether it is good or bad.
@@isheworthy how do you even know what your saying is true. Without saying it just is. Love comes from God and God is good
I’m a 77 yr. old follower of Jesus Christ, who just found my 1st Dose of Wisdom video. Well done…appreciated the calmness of bringing up this difficult subject area, and an actual conversation occurred rather than a yelling match. Will look forward to other videos. Praising my Lord and Savior..day
by day..moment by moment..breath by breath..may we all keep sharing the Gospel with the people that are put in front of us every day.
Many people equates physical sexual attraction to love. Whereas agape is love that is pure and perfect the love of God. Your program is always helpful. Thank you
This is so important I know folks who spout..."it's all about love. Love is love." Thank you for useful tools.
God does not direct people to sin, she just wants to be validated in her choices.
God is the source of Love and there is no sin in God.
Love is not sinful, if something is sinful it is NOT Love. What is called love by the World if sinful is just Selfishness, a perversion of God's Love.
Wow. Very well said. Short and accurate.
God created Angels too, but they aren’t bound by the same commandments as humans. It’s often those who call out others' sins the ones who are dealing with their own.
exactly ....our society allows for immorality to be okay ....thats why these genders wokist think they are normal. its from satan ....
God does not want people to practice homosexuality.
@@Happinessallmine Ok and? Even if this guy is sinning your sin is still bad and youre bad. You dont get a pass because ppl do it too.
TY for putting up these videos, they are so needed at this time. I have read there is a revival running through the University and Colleges in this country, wether thats true in this day and age is yet to be seen but l pray it's TRUE!
The only way we can tell the student have new hearts is whether or not their lives have been changed 180°. We see the change in attitude, learning to hate sin and love the righteousness of Christ. Let's pray individuals will display the fruit! 😊🤗🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@kathierouse6046
If you suddenly feel superior to everyone and start hating guys, loving Trump... yep it's working.
In the past 2 years, I've noticed more people coming to church, studying the bible, and converting. I travel around the U.S. and attend several Catholic churches consistently and have noticed an awakening.
I've also noticed this is happening with people online like Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand, Candace Owens, and many others.
Seems to all boil down to a fundamental misunderstanding and/or disagreement about what “love” is.
Love is not merely passive affection, but active devotion. Therefore, love is necessarily a choice (despite the culture insisting otherwise).
My wife asks me quite frequently: “Babe, do you feel like doing ____.” to which I almost always respond (somewhat jokingly), “No, but I will because I love you.” Love has little to do with self-gratification and everything to do with self-donation.
We must remember love has many different attributes: 1 Corinthians 13:4-5: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
God bless everyone ❤
I’ve watched both of these videos in entire context and they both do a good job of addressing it from their own area of expertise.
However, one thing that is left out is WHAT is meant from the questioner by “LOVE”. Because English is very limited and if we’re looking to scriptures about what it says about “love” then we need to know what “love” agape, philo, eros, etc?
Love being love can work in God’s order if it’s agape or philo, but in eros (God has a specific nartural order for that form of “love”).
If we are following God’s order for love, love cannot be sinful, if it is it is NOT love His at all.
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Lust isn’t love, they’re confusing sexual desire with love.
So how did God appreciate that in the name of his son Jesus, Christians have slaughtered 2 million people in the last 2000 years in religious wars and the crusades ? How, according to the Bible, God is ok with the fact that 6 billion people who do not believe in Jesus are actually doomed ?
It is love.
@@kookie_monstah it’s not.
@@Jasimp90 You can’t tell a gay person your personal beliefs. It is love, lol.
@@kookie_monstah I didn’t say anything about beliefs I was making a distinction based on the English lexicon. Heterosexuals are as guilty of the confusion of definitions. And you can’t just change the definitions of words because of your personal beliefs.
Many thanks and much appreciation for all a y’all
The problem is that most persons confuse the concept of love with passion, sex, selfishness, etcetera.
If a person truly loved the person of the same sex, they would not want to lead them into sin,but lead them into a relationship with the Creator. Leading them away from God is evil, not love.
I was born a thief and a liar but when I accepted Jesus I quit doing those things and now work to Glorify God with my words and actions.
"But I was born this way!"
We're all born that way. We all have different vices and traps that tempt and woo us. This one just happens to be popular right now.
I don't lie or cheat and I don't believe the lies of the bible.
@@rickvade Somehow I doubt that you don't ever lie or cheat... But good for you if you don't! My point remains, however, that we all fall short in some way. That includes me, that includes you.
@@isheworthy i dont fall short as i dont believe in your fairy tale manmade God.
He said he doesn’t lie or cheat but he immediately contradicted himself when he lied saying that doesn’t lie.
Love is an emotion. Behavior is sometimes sinful.
Amen to that 🙏❤️💯
GREAT MESSAGE!!! TRUTH!
The love of money is the root of all evil. l Timothy 6:10 The problem with the world is that they believe love has a direct connection to sexual activities.
Great point.
I don’t know what one has to do w the other but ur really only defining women, not men. I’ve never met a man who thinks sex equates to love.
@@QueenQaffir I did not post sex equates to love. My statement was love has a direct connection to sexual activities. The love the woman was referring to in the video was a love between two adults. Each adult loves the other person and they have a sexual relationship. Lesbians and homosexual males engage in sexual activity. The world can not identify with two adults loving each other and there not being sexual activity between the two adults.
My comment was made within the context of the video. In the video she was discussing two adults that loved each other and not a sexual relationship with a prostitute or some woman a man picked up at a bar or some woman that agreed to have casual sex with a man.
It's not equating sex with love that they are doing. It's equating the need to have sex with love.
@@brisbanekilarny6212 u said the problem was they believe love has a direct connection to sexual activities. I then said that describes women, not men. I didn’t say anything about prostitutes or loose “activities” of any kind or even what kind of “relationship”. I’m not necessarily arguing w u as much as I am pointing out that women “believe love has a direct connection to sex”.
Frank Turek and Voddie Baucham in the same video? What a blessing
Check out Rosaria Butterfield, Jackie Perry, Christopher Yuan. They answer the question much better. maybe because they came out of homosexuality. blessed be the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
What they said about this matter?
Just watched Rosaria Butterfield's testimony - thank you
This is great. Thank you and God bless.
Natural desires lead to legitimate fulfillment of human needs which is a choice and can also lead to illegitimate fulfillment of human needs which is also a choice.
Of course, the Church knows what needs are illegitimate, and not one's own loving partner. Sure, sure.
@@AlexReynard no. It’s basic human needs. Objective human needs. You cannot fulfill legitimate human needs to multiply humanity with the similar genetic traits as both of the parents in gay relationships. Hence illegitimate. It’s not church, it is simple 1+1=2
@@AlexReynard an overwhelming percentage of LGBT aligning people experienced childhood trauma or lack of a stable family/house hold. A large portion is comprised of undiagnosed/misdiagnosed autists. LGBT is a social contagion, and this is ESPECIALLY evident nowadays with the exponential uptick in self-identifying homosexuals/non-binaries/pansexuals etc. CHILDREN. There is no biological precedent for homosexuality. You can conclude homosexuality is both irregular and wrong without Christianity, Christianity just solidifies it objectively. They don't love, their love is twisted
Thank you for this post. I learned a lot.
The issue with being young is that every feeling seems right yet as we grow older and through the Holy Spirit who convicts we understand that many of our feelings are not righteous so where do we seek righteousness? Regardless of sexual orientation righteousness can only come through a sinless sacrifice.
In 2007 at age 17 I suffered a brain injury and was put back in high school after turning 18. I “fell in love” with a freshman girl who didn’t like me even a little bit (she’s black but that’s not why she didn’t like me) and I told myself it was okay because at least she’s a female and I’m still straight. Well in this case, even a straight “love” was sinful because she didn’t want it and it made her uncomfortable. I couldn’t wish away my feelings but I shouldn’t have acted on them, which was wherein the sin lay. Even though I never touched her, it was still wrong. I got married years later to someone completely different.
What a great in-depth analysis by Voddie. I think about the love of money, power, and even self as examples of love is not love.
@@bloodwillrunthestreets5205 - Unfortunately, he hops around the subject matter so much, he loses focus and the sermon becomes just one of many that just deride other people who don’t follow his ancient book’s edicts.
The world has taken what God made to be good, and turned it evil. Same thing with love. It’s been twisted. Thank you for incorporating Voddie in the video. This video is so important but the title should be expanded so it reaches even more people.
Homosexuality is as wrong as a straght person committing adultery. In fact the Bible talks more about straight adultery than homosexuality, but both are sins and should be avoided because ultimately these sins harm us.
Correct and heterosexual hook-up culture is under the same judgement. Also pornography being of hetero or homo type as well. A lot of married Christian men struggle with pornography. Lust is a very tough thing to deal with for any human. All this needs to be repented of for our eternal benefit.
@@trajanfidelis1532 i think you are not reading your bible right. homosexuality it one of the great sins that if you read more God himself commanded complete genocide anyone even remotely connected to it. You know complete destruction even to 2nd generation. Basically God is saying Homos do not have the right to exist.
I pray you find Jesus. What's sad is that whatever your view is it's certainly not biblical it's American. In 1 Cor 6:9-11 Paul writes
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor [c]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Notice you write "homosexuality" which is a verb but Paul writes "Homosexual" which is a noun.
This is a massive problem for Christians today.
They claim on the trans issue and DEI that GOD has made us male and female and we can't change it. That I am a white man that can't choose to be a black man that I am a heterosexual (Noun) that is attracted to women and I can't change that.
Well a homosexual which is the word Paul uses is someone who is created to be attracted to the same sex, but is also not attracted to the opposite sex (otherwise they'd be bisexual).
See the lie you believe is that people engage in "homosexuality" a verb, just as people engage in "adultery" a verb.
But Paul uses nouns not verb.
As a heterosexual man I am attracted to women and have no attraction to men. I can choose to have sex (verb) with women but not change my attraction to them.
This is why marriage exists. We are instructed to not have sex before or outside of marriage. So Paul in 1 Cor 7 writes.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Now is this the ideal for marriage? No. But it is acceptable.
So here' the problem that Christians have. This women is trying to ask why did GOD create me to be attracted to women and not men?
It's like if the Bible said I had to marry a man, except I'm not at all attracted to men.
We also see a number of Christians who believe in Jesus who are not attracted to the opposite sex.
The hypocrisy of Western Christianity is that first it lies all the time on this topic and it creates a doctrine of hypocrisy.
As a heterosexual man who desires a help-mate, love, companionship for life, and yes sex, I am attracted to women. Now the Bible says then get married.
However if I was a homosexual man who desires a help-mate, love, companionship for life and yes sex, Christians say the Bible forbids me to get married.
Christians create a hypocritical doctrine. This is why Christians for a long time claimed that everyone was born heterosexual and chose to engage in homosexual sex. Yet over the last 30 years there have been a number of Christians who are gay after salvation. And Paul uses the noun not a verb.
So what many Christians have done is a sleight of hand deception. They will say you can be gay just don't engage in homosexual sex. Which ignores the reality of attraction.
Look at how many families and marriages have been destroyed when people try to be attracted to the opposite sex but aren't to keep up social appearances.
What is Paul saying in 1 Cor 6?
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
This is a question we should all be able to answer. It's all of us, we are all unrighteous.
Paul later clarifies this in 1 Cor 15:
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Paul is saying that as mortal imperfect people, which inMatthew 5 Jesus defines all of us who have ever had a lustful thought which is adulterers as unrighteous, means none of us will enter the Kingdom of GOD without Him.
So Paul shows us all that we are all unrighteous NOUNS. It's not what we do verbs, it's who we are. But in verse 11 he gives us the ONLY hope we have.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Morality will never save someone, just as immorality will never condemn someone. John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
We are condemned because we are flesh and blood. Only Jesus offers us eternal life,
1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Christians need to stop worrying about who people are sleeping with and focus on Jesus.
Another lie Christians believe is that the mess we see in our nations is because of the lost. It's not. It's because of the wickedness of Christians.
2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
What's sad for me to watch is how so many Christians can't tell the truth from the lies.
What's wrong about it?
@@teks-kj1nj
For one thing, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. Besides, it's unnatural. I know that in most cases, the individuals were molested and/or r@ped in their childhood. Those who are guilty of such violent behavior will pay a high price for this! In the meantime, the behavior usually has emotional roots, not physical. Again, it's not normal. Now we know what the world was like in the days of Noah. There's so much spiritual darkness. 😪😓💔🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lust and LOVE are two different things, period.
Good answers
This channel is awesome.
Love should be pure and spiritual. In a spiritual context, love reflects God's love for us, which is unconditional, self-sacrificial, and directed toward the good. It is oriented toward higher values such as compassion, mercy, and mutual understanding. It recognizes that every person is made in the image of God and, therefore, deserves respect and love. True love always implies a willingness to sacrifice, placing the needs of others above our own. This requires effort, prayer, and continual growth in faith so that our love may resemble the love of Christ.
Thank you for speaking truth of love, in love.
"It recognizes that every person is made in the image of God" I see. So, someone of the same sex is also made in the image of God, and loving them is the same as loving someone of the opposite sex, right?
@@AlexReynard God's love, and the love of saints who imitate Him, is pure. For such love, a person's gender is not important. This love does not imply the formation of a couple. What matters here is that every soul, regardless of gender, is beautiful because it is God's creation
@@AlexReynard - Phuquing YES!
@@Gardens-of-Peace - Except that physical love of the intimate variety is what usually occurs when one is deeply in love with another person. To deny this is to miss out on the beauty of physical connection.
Thank you. very well done video. It is full of insight and truth and will cut to it.
The bible is so clear on this issue. It is not the same sex attraction alone that is sinful, but the actions that result from it. But what we as Christians neglect is the Love and Support we must give this person who, despite having these desires, refuses to give in to them. Their life is sad and lonely because loving and making love are beautiful affirmations of love. But these are now self-denied to honour God. A desperately lonely walk. It is as though a part of you is dead. Pray.
I strongly disagree that your claim Christian neglect to love and support same-sex attracted people. Their attraction is no different than many heterosexual attractions which God does not want us acting upon as a single person . Should the church do anything special to help us? Only eunuchs do not have these issues, Single people all share the burden and loneliness
What actions that result from it???
yes exactly.... some here lack empathy to understand the gravity of this. Like as straight people just imagine you couldnt marry and be intimate to your other sex partner.
Nobody needs sex to be happy. These people are just low order thinkers that act entirely on emotion and instinct.
It is the duty of society to judge these people and condemn them for their corrupt degeneracy. Help them stop being evil
Translation: "I claim to love God, but I ignore His deeds and insist on following the words in a book that a bunch of mortal men wrote about Him. When I see a love he put in the hearts of two people, I insist it's not real. Because I'd rather believe in some dusty 2000-year-old book than what's right in front of my eyes. I'm a ratlike squealing coward who'd rather follow the rules than accept when God shows me I'm wrong."
Thank you for your good explanation
Commenter, when you are doing a comment on the video, pause it, so as not to lose anything that is said there.
thanks
Wise words
No. Only answer necessary.
Best comment. A 20-minute rambling for something so obviously wrong. Lgbt are gonna tear nations apart.
Love is Love, & God is Love. The issue here isn't Love. But, rather Lust. People of the same sex that desire to do what a Man & Woman were created to do have a strong desire that is driving them. Which is Lust. You can have a strong desire to cast yourself head first off a cliff, but most won't do it because it doesn't lead to a pleasurable result. The only reason any of this is even in question isn't because of a lack of sufficient evidence that this behavior is out of order. It's because this behavior is pleasurable. If there were severe pain associated with this act, those afflicted would willingly seek repentence. But, because they deem pleasure good & not Truth. Here we are. & Why this issue will only wax worse. The creature was made subject to vanity & will find pleasure within vanity. Whether it be in killing, stealing, molesting, deceiving etc.
Excellent points
I think its best to compare it to like lets say you are a man but were forbidden to be with women. So you either stay single or are with another man you have 0 attraction to. Its called friendship. Like I am a woman but could not imagine being in a relationship with another woman besides friendship. So thats how gay people feel also. They cant imagine being in a relationship with the other gender.
Yep. The problem is with our definition of love and the way we throw the term around. I love your shoes, I love that car. The way Jesus taught love is that it is not directly self serving. A same sex relationship is very self serving. It produces no offspring for the community and God forbid they do bring up children they cannot provide both male and female role models which is unloving considering now the child will have no concept of marital roles or the difference in male & female.
They are pleasuring themselves without thought as to how it might affect others around them.
The age old question comes to mind: "what if everyone did it?"... If everyone turned homosexual over night the human species would be extinct in 80-100 years. Maybe sooner since there would be no young people to care for the old.
It would seem to me that if something is harmful if everyone would do it then it is probably harmful in any instance.
Look at history and current societies. The more a society took part in homosexuality the faster it fell apart.
Prejudiced much?
@@TomSanders-mi2bg Not sure how that’s prejudice? Does not logic & reason show this type of behavior to make 0 sense? & if it weren’t for the driving lust behind it. Who would partake in same sex anything? Even without the pleasure aspect heterosexual relations still make sense.
Amen. Vodie B. is such a blessing.
A better question might be: how could anybody love sin? (Because loving sin is like loving a delightful poison).
They love pleasure, no matter the cost.
We have free will!
Love, by definition, wants that which benefits the other. Doing something which takes them away from God, further from the Father, is not love. It is usury for your own pleasure.
Gay people can love each other just like anyone else
@@lawrenceeason8007 This requires close attention to the meaning behind words. Love that moves people towards obedience to God is real love. Love that would encourage another to disobey God is not love, it is usury and harmful. This is not about emotion, it is about action that hurts or heals.
@@garywhitt98 that is your belief and you are entitled to it. Love is an emotion we have for one another…no god(s) necessary
@@lawrenceeason8007 And there’s the difference, how each defines “love”. God defines it one way, the godless define it another way. I think the author of love deserves to define that which He invented. The definition you are using just leads to one person using another for emotional benefit. What happens when the emotion changes? “Yeah, I just don’t love you anymore” and you discard the person. God’s definition of love never fails; seek the other’s good. Always. It would be a much better world if we used Christ’s definition.
@@garywhitt98a god who defines love only as that which is directed towards it would be a narcissistic god. True love is love given to others freely. Not to a god who demands it
I loved my ex-fiancee. But that love ultimately got me addicted to pain pills. Which, in turn, became fentynal. I never stuck a need in my arm. Then, one day, she left me without any explanation. She convinced me to start taking the drugs. She always provided me with the drugs. Since I loved her, I trusted her. But it was all for nothing. After she left, I felt completely shattered. I was depressed, going through withdrawal.
Connecting those two concepts (all love is beautiful, or "love is love", and that our culture accepts that 5 or 6 year olds can consent to a sex change surgery) was powerful, it really does lead to normalizing paedophilia. That's crazy, disturbing and scary.
@@lennis4739 - 5 and 6 year olds do not consent to sex change surgery. That is a myth.
Astute comparison of (according to culture) kids being able to choose a permanent decision like transitioning vs not being able to choose to be in a romantic relationship with a much older person. I’d not thought of that before, and I think it does put a large strain on someone believing both positions simultaneously. Good video!
After all, if love is love, what is wrong with pedophilia? With polygamy? Homosexuality? Bisexuality? Or further down the slope... necrophilia and objectophilia?
Some of my best friends are gay. I can’t bear the thought of them being judged so harshly. Don’t compare them to paedos!!! It’s just wrong! They are beautiful people.
According to Christians, pedos and other alphabet people are equally sinful, and will be forgiven if they repent and ask Jesus for forgiveness.
If you don't ask Christ for forgiveness, God is just going to pass judgement. Acting out sinful desires is still a sin, whether you like it or not and they will supposedly be judged individually
We're not comparing them to pedos. We're pointing out that the same logic applies. If I can love whomever I want because love is love, who are you to tell me I can't marry that six-year-old over there?
Only God can judge us and only God will bring true Grace. This woman knows herself as the seed she was born as. No preacher or teacher can tell her differently. One day she will face God and I imagine her saying “Here I am, as I am, with all my confusion and longing-and I trust you, God, to meet me here.” The confusion comes from people, not from her knowing.
Praying for her made me cry with this realization of the weight of love and grace. There’s something incredibly tender about the idea of someone, perhaps with their heart heavy, coming to God and saying, “I don’t know how to change this part of me, and I don’t even know if I should, but I love, and I trust you, God, to understand me better than I understand myself.” That is faith: bringing all that we are-our joys, our love, our uncertainty, our flaws and trusting that God’s grace will cover us. I will ask the same, as a straight woman.
Many teachers and preachers have more of the heavy approach. While I understand the need for this, it’s unbalanced and it seems they haven’t been touched in the same way. I prefer someone like Serene Jones personally and I think this woman would benefit from speaking to her more than this teacher, as much as I respect him and his position. I don’t think the preacher answered this either. He starts by saying there are many interpretations in the word “world” but doesn’t consider the context of the times for homosexuality (which was often in public, promiscuous and hedonistic rather than in a relationship). If two same sex people follow God as two straight people do, only God can judge. This preacher may be judged for his judgment but nobody is making a video about that.
We are all God’s children. God bless ❤
God made himself known through the scriptures. Do we believe in a God so powerful that he made the universe and holds it in motion with immutable laws, and yet can't figure out how to make himself clearly known to all people? Does he wring his hands worrying about how people can know him? NO! He has made himself plainly known.
The enemy uses love and twists it
Isn’t the bigger question WHAT IS LOVE ? Is it sexual union between any two ? Or is it John 15:13.
The God that most christians worship, doesn't follow his own instructions given in the John 15:13. They say God created us saying: "Die for my pleasure!" While John suggests very opposite. Something really stinks here.
@@Heikki_Finland The thing that stinks is your breath. John 15:13. No greater love hath a man than to lay down his own life ? Did the Son of God not lay down his own life ?
@@Heikki_Finland I don't think any Christians think that. Something definitely stinks, but I'm guessing it's the scarecrow argument you used.
@@isheworthy They do. I try to be christian too, but i don't think God created us intentionally but we are rather a manifestation of God. The Bible mostly represents God as an intentional, evil creator, but it also says earth is flat which we know is false, so it just may not be accurate source of infromation.
Can't LOVE without TRUTH.
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I honestly think that the churches need to mature more in the area of same sex relationships. First question, why was the attack on the "wrong" type of love mostly directed at same sex relationships? Much more seious is adultery which was only cursorily mentioned at the end. This video is not about love but the expression of love through sex. But it does not probe much further. Is promiscuous sex before marriage ok? What is marriage? Does marriage require third parties to be officiated? Churches now seem to be much more tolerant of premarital sex in terms of forceful condemnation than they were say 70 or more years ago. In bygone times, churches taught (against Christ s own teachings) that physical and mental handicaps were the result of sin. Not so Jesus Christ has clearly directed. And yet..countless people were led to desperation and guilt in addition to the misfortune of say having handicapped children. Now most modern churches have evolved for the better in this respect. I may be wrong but the way I see it is that homosexual relationships should not be considered as sinful as long as , like in the heterosexual case, they are not promiscuous. Churches should know better on the power that intimacy (including sex) has on the wellbeing of humans in general. A good nnumber of clergy were found to have had sexual affairs and even children, engaged in homosexual activities or worse still in pedophilia. Churches should inspire themselves from the last part of Matthew 19 and have the humility to state that they don t understand the Divine position on homosexuality. Referring to other excerpts in either the non 4 gospel component of the new testament or the Old testament is tantamount to adopting diffeent weights and measures as there are several abominations indicated in the old testament that modern churches no longer abide by.
"(W)hy was the attack on the 'wrong' type of love mostly directed at same sex relationships?"
You ask the right questions. The answers are pretty obvious, though: prejudice, bigotry, and scapegoating.
I'm reminded of a video I saw a few days ago where a girl mentioned that, in her Momon church, they were iron-fisted in their rule that girls could only have one ear piercing, no more. This kind of arbitrary rule enforcement eventually drove her to dismiss the church as a whole. I think it's very much the same as what you've said here. *It's easy for a church to condemn little things where they can bully people into compliance.* Too many straight people have lust in their hearts outside of marriage. The church might face some pushback if they lean on 'Adultery is a sin'. But there's not many homosexuals. So condemn them plenty! *It's a marketing decision.* It has nothing to do with the will of God. It's just cowardice. Don't condemn real problems that cause real suffering, because that would require courage and effort. Just go after people who are easy to force into submission with peer pressure. If churches can't demonstrate that they hold to any real principles, people *should* abandon them. I hope that the arrogance of churches and the arrogance of atheists leads more and more people to the realization, 'I should go on a personal quest for truth and not just rely on other people's lazy answers.'
The admonitions you refer to in the Old Testament, which were abolished in the New Testament were the dietary and ceremonial laws. The moral laws on sexuality which were clearly stated in the Old and New Testament are still binding.
Interesting (?) you need to discount non-Gospels in New Testament and the entire old Testament to say the Bible has nothing to say on acting on same sex attraction
Thanks for this video
It's a spiritual issue, he won't say that because these people won't understand.
Some how, some way we need to show the youth coming to faith what spiritual warfare is and how important it is to pray, praise and worship together.
No, they do understand. Their complaint is that God gives you desires, but punishes you for acting out some of them. They are pissed off that society won't support them acting out any desire they feel, no matter how harmful.
Yes 💯 - he said something like love cannot be love when it is pointed in the direction of death and destruction rather than life. Spot on. Particularly on the subject of infidelity, the seed of love cannot be planted in toxic soil.
love is not sex you can love and take care of anyone, but sex is only for procreation and anything beyond that is lust.
Is that from the Bible?
Procreation would be half of the purpose. The other half being oneness and covenant in a bible covenant blessed by God.
Sex is only for procreation and also for increasing the bond in a marriage couple. As St. Paul says in his Letters to Corinthians, a couple must not refrain from « loving » on another for too much, so the devil might not tempt them.
Very good video, thanks
I believe part of the problem is they don't understand the word love. Love is not an emotion. You cannot be called to have an emotion yet we are called to love one another. Love is a decision we make, not something we fall into like a cow patty. What this young lady is calling love is actually the emotion known as lust.
100% this. I've said it time and time again, love is a *verb* for a reason. We do, in fact, *choose* who we love. This runs counter to modern ideologies but it's the full truth. We choose who and what we love, which is why we have the ability to remove harmful love from our lives.
@@NovusIgnis well said! 👍☝️🙏
I wish I could stand in front of you, and everyone you love, and tell you to your face that it's not real love. Tell you you don't love your Mom. Tell you you don't love your Dad. Tell you you don't love your grandparents, or your pets, or your spouse, or your children, or your friends. Arrogantly insist, as a complete outsider who knows NOTHING of your life, that the love you feel isn't real, just because *I say so.* See if maybe that stings. See if maybe you hate me for saying something so cruel. And then see if it sparks the tiniest bit of empathy in your own bullying heart. [spits on the ground at your feet]
@@AlexReynard It wouldn't affect me if you did, because I know what love is. In the same way that it wouldn't affect me if someone told me that Zeus is going to send me to tartarus for following Jesus Christ. It's hollow, empty, meaningless.
I understand that it hurts you to hear this, but turning it around on us has absolutely no effect because we are secure with God as our foundation. If it hurts you to hear that the love you place your faith in doesn't compare to the love of the Father, or it hurts you to hear that God will send you to hell because you're choosing to go there, then I think it says more about you and your faith than it does about ours.
I'm not affected by the false claims of non-believers because I have faith in my God and He tells me they are lying. Others don't have that faith, so they react in anger and hate for being told that they are in the wrong.
@@AlexReynard love is a decision you make. It is not a feeling. Feelings are deceptive. So nothing you said bothers me whatsoever. I have made the decision to love my mom, love my dad, and love everyone I love. It is not a feeling though. Lust is the feeling you are describing. It can eventually lead to a decision to love. But love is a decision and until you learn that you won't understand the truth of what real love Is.
You can do it and what He says IN Him. He is no liar. Jesus said apart from Him, you can do nothing l, but IN Him you can and will bear much fruit.
One of the issues with their arguments is that people are not discerning love from lust. Yet, when hearing discussions about this, people had weaponized empathy, making it seem as if we (Christians) were the bad guys for making such lifestyles unlawful.
Further, people expressed how they can't fit into such a society and expect us to change, not they. It's not our fault that they make their own decisions. We are holding to a solid, consistent moral foundation.
Also, the symbol of pride isn't one of accomplishments, it's about "Me My I".
look I am Christian but I also see the gravity of this issue. For most its not a choice its just like you are attracted to the other sex, they are attracted to the same. Just imagine that it was the world in reverse and you couldnt be with the same sex, how would you feel? I think its a good exercise in empathy. No matter if you approve or disprove. I just find it easy to judge for us straight people you know. We can have our partner of choice (I mean gender wise) and have a family. But then a gay person has to tough it out either single or sith someone they are not attracted to. Say like if you are a man and you would have to be with another man ( you have zero attraction to). Its just a hard subject.... we should always resond with kindness and empathy even when not agreeing with the lifestyle.
@FixyASMR I'm attracted to money. But God says it's wrong and you can't serve two masters. So I don't act on my desires
@@sshpeppermint well I would say money is something very different than a bond between 2 people. A lifelong partnership to go through life. So I understand their sturggle and empathize
@@FixyASMR it may seem different for us humans but both things are wrong in the eyes of God. our judgement is corrupted and our hearts are wicked. but this is love pointed at the wrong object.
don't think I don't empathize - my own dad is gay. and it breaks my heart to see how he ruined everything good in his life in pursue of cheap thrills (gay lifestyle may be pretty shallow, lifelong gay partnerships are rare). to add salt to the wound we are from a homophobic country. and I pray for him to accept God while he's still alive and it's not too late
@@sshpeppermint im sorry to hear that about your dead :( I dont condone what he did btw. And I do like to look at these things case by case. I am a pretty new Christian and just find this a hard topic. I still have alot to learn.
Great message! Thanks!
Love can NOT be sinful. If something we call love is against God's will, it is not love. Until we as Christians can rightly define Love as God defines love for us, we will continue to loose this argument.
It's like you didn't even watch the video 😂
It's all about definition of LOVE.
What is love?
I can care about someones benefit but not liking this person. It is love.
I can advise some person against taking his/hers life, and that's against his/hers will, but it is in his/hers best interest. And that's love.
I can fall in love (or lust) with some person, but will restrain myself of this relationship because this not good for that person. And that is love.
Love is doing, with best possible of knowledge, what is best for that other person, not what is best for fulfilling your own desires.
And the love to yourself is - do what is best for you (and Bible tell us what it is) - instead of fulfilling every desire of your heart.
This is just my personal observation and I might be completely wrong. I knew 3 lesbians through my life and when I met each of their mothers, I realized why are they the way they are. All 3 lesbians had one thing in common: absolutely disgusting and unloving mothers. But unlike many other women with unloving mothers, those lesbians couldn’t even address the issue and accept that their mothers failed them, but locked themselves into some fantasy world believing that their mothers are good and if they just do enough, they would be enough. So, because they didn’t get the love from their mothers that they are perfectly entitled to ( like every child), they went around to seek love from other women. I know that 3 is a very small number. It might be a coincidence, but I am wondering if anyone else has noticed that
@@Louise-o7b - Your daughter is setting, and continuing, the example you started. Ditch The Book, think for yourself, and you’ll be on solid ground!
I know that's a pretty common thread across a lot of homosexual relationships, but it's definitely not all. I know the mother of a lesbian woman who is the sweetest person you'd ever meet. Misguided in a lot of ways, but sweet.
@@isheworthy - “So, because they didn’t get the love from their mothers that they are entitled to (like every child), they went around to seek love from other women.”
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Citation Needed. This may be a normative abnormal psychological condition. It may not imply that women who have had unloving mothers seek out the company of other women-we are assuming a sexual component here-to make up for what they didn’t receive.
The problem is that The Bible and its doctrines are at the heart of this conversation, with the end-game-argument being that the Bible is thought to condemn same-sex sexual relationships.
Modern psychology has shown that same-sex relationships with a sexual component are as normative and regular as opposite-sex relationships with a sexual component.
Studies also show that same-sex couples are also good for child development, and have the same, or better, outcomes as opposite-sex couples in the raising and education of children. They also seem to do better when non-stigmatizing religious belief-where present-is evident. Secular practices still have the best outcomes of quality-of-life than religious practices do. That’s because there is no stigma toward other people from the earliest of impressionable ages.
This just makes sense. The acceptance of homosexual relationships in the United States, and the World, is proper and just in a society to is growing weary of religious hate and anxiety caused by extreme viewpoints that vilify people as “other” within that religion.
That’s what I mean by “Ditch The Book and Think For Yourself!”
(I’ll get citations later and post supporting links here, maximum of two (2) for thread brevity, or I’ll post a link to multiple papers supporting the normality of same-sex sexual relationships.)
@@isheworthy - Not common at all I would think. Misguided as to what? Some folks are just attracted to members of the same sex. For some, sex and/or gender doesn’t matter. So long as normal adult attraction falls within the adult age scale, it doesn’t really matter who one loves, or how many.
Society needs to advance and mature. We need to be accepting of others who just have an attraction to members of the same sex/gender. Religion needs to step aside.
@@saraandstuartshannon2160 - I would think there have to be other examples of lesbians who have had absolutely fantastic mothers!
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
I gain so much from your channel. Thankyou
The old “we all have these struggles Sammy” what Frank is gay? I don’t think so he’s married with kids so it’s a false equivalence. Frank struggles with thoughts but thankfully he has the ‘right’ sexuality that means he can have all the things that improve your life like a loving partner and family. This little lady needs to just tough it out with a man she’s got zero attraction to. Straight back to the 1950s we go!!
yeah this is a tough one for me also. Like I am straight and have a husband and kids. But then I imagine lets say it was a sin to be with the other sex and I had to be wth a woman.... I have no attraction to at all. And just no romantic feeling sto or want to kiss or hug or cuddle with. It such a huge part of life. I think when people talk about this they should imagine this like placing themselves in the shoes of the gay person.
Like what if your attraction was wrong, what would you do? So for men lets say you couldnt be with a woman and women you cant be with a man.
Tbh I think id just be single 😁in that case. I was asexual until I met my husband
This is the church’s line on it. Do they honestly think someone like Elton John could be with a woman? It’s just insulting. So the church are fine as long as you keep up the charade of being straight or live completely alone. It’s so messed up that I can’t believe these people are Godly it sounds demonic.
I think the point is more specifically to address the question of 'why would I have feelings that run counter to God's law?' to which the response is we all have those one way or another, it is not a trait unique to gays. Also no one is saying she needs to tough it out and go with a man, there is always living a life of celibacy as many (gay and straight) people have done in the past and continue to do. You say having a partner is a blanket improvement in ones life but that is not what those people have found. St Paul wrote about how he was thankful he never married and encourage others to do the same as well, because it is a different type of blessing to have- it isn't an interior lifestyle.
All religions encourage marriage and children and we know that not having a partner and someone to love can be psychologically harmful. Celibacy doesn’t kill desire and the problem with not allowing it is that it can morph into something inappropriate. Ask yourself this, would this woman resent the church for saying she can’t explore her desire and love for women when she is 80 years old? Why is Frank alllowed to when two women can have a monogamous relationship with children?
@@katiemiaana You say all religions encourage marriage but I gave you an example on how there is scripture specifically saying that it is not only OK to remain unmarried but it was actively encouraging it.
You seem to be worried about the effects of celibacy on ones psychology, but studies show that married couples are not magically happier then single people. (there is some that even say they might be unhappier, depending on how you measure it). Those who practice celibacy are not made worse for it.
You ask if she might resent the church for saying she can't act on her desires but the church says this to everyone in some way. The church tells the unmarried they can't act on their sexual desires, even if they are straight. If they are married, they are not allow to pursue desires if they feel an attraction to someone else. Do these people (and I'm willing to bet Frank has been among them at some point) resent the church for putting these limitations on them? No they do not, and so neither should she.
Celibacy has been something different people have practiced for thousands of years at this point, and many of them keep finding the same thing, it can be very hard at times, but is ultimately very rewarding. An example of this might be St Augustine, who lived unmarried to a woman for over a decade, even having a child with her, until his conversion where he realized he had to give it up to abide by Gods law. He would go on to write about how he found chastity to be a more for filling life, and described it as a gift from God.
This is an important video-especially your commentary at the end.
I'm an old man that loves my children. I don't think that's gross. We need to stop buying into this idea that love is sex. That's the work of the devil and pure evil. You should love the world not have sex with them. Sex is to be done in the confines of a marriage not just because you love someone.
2 John defines what true love actually is:
“5 And now I beg you, lady, not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6 And this is love, that we follow his commandments; this is the commandment, as you have heard from the beginning, that you follow love.”
Love therefore is observing God’s law…NOT some tainted carnal perception of it that the world would have you believe.
My brothers and sisters I feel like I am taking crazy pills. With great respect for the teachers in this video and for this channel, this is all confused and these explanations only further confuse those with same sex attractions.
Love is not sinful. Ever. God is Love. Love is love? Sure. And sex is sex. But sex and Love are not the same thing.
Can we love someone through sex? Yes. But not all sex is a loving act. We can assault someone through sex, or more commonly, harm them unintentionally. You can truly love a person and harm them through a sexual act with them. Our desires are perverted by our fallen nature. As Frank touched on, we have desires that should obviously not be followed through on. The question then becomes, how do we know which desires should be acted on and which should not. This question immediately pulls the ethics of sex away from the desire and refocuses it in the direction of God's order of creation.
God created sex, and eating, and sleeping, and play and everything else. And in their proper places and balances they were all good. We have disordered all of that with sin. In all of these areas our desires have fallen out of alignment with God's intentions for us.
Again, sex is not Love. While Love is never corrupted, because it is an attribute of God, sex (which God created for us) has been corrupted by sin. So should two same sex people who are attracted to one another love one another? YES! And that means NOT engaging in sexual acts with one another.
One final point about the ethics of sex. We tend to look at sex (and most things) from the perspective of our individual lives. So a person will say "if they are not harming anyone and love each other, why can't they get married and have sex?" We simply do not have enough perspective and understanding to know the repercussions of our choices on the world around us. Cain asked "am I my brother's keeper?" We ask this same question when we suggest that if we "keep to ourselves" that is enough. We cannot keep to ourselves. We are all connected and that is by design. Simply fulfilling your own desires and interests is not enough to live as God has called you to live.
Again, sex is not Love. To love is to give of one's self for the good of another. This is a part of God's nature. It is always good. Sex is just sex, and is only good if we do it according to God's will.
(Edited for grammar and clarity)
An addition:
Voddie, states that Love becomes sinful when it is from the wrong source and when it produces the wrong fruit. At around 11:40 Voddie then shifts to the word "passions," which I think betrays a gap in the meaning of love as he is using. Our passions are indeed often sinful (as I allude to above). And it is right to say our passions become sinful when they are out of alignment with God's will. And this is when our passions fail to be loving. After all, our passions that serve us are not in service of God and his will (The Good). They are in service of ourselves, and we become idolaters of the Self in the same way the serpent taught us in the Garden. This is probably why many translations of the passage Voddie is referring to here render love as "lust" (and "pride" in the last instance).
To put it simply, better words for what is discussed here are "passion," "desire," "covet(ing)," "attachment," and of course "lust."
""I have the right to do anything,” you say-but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”-but I will not be mastered by anything. You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit."
"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."
"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband."
From these verses we can clearly see that the ideal state of man is to not have any sexual relations at all, even with a woman. But that he can marry a woman if he is unable to contain his passion because its better to marry than to burn with passion, and this form of sexual relation is the only one allowed. Notice how it never states anything about love. Relationships biblically are not about love, this form of relationship is not recognized as love.
Thank you.
It's hard to take someone's theology seriously when they miss the boat on the chief theological virtue. God is love. Love is not sinful, ever. There is no such thing as loving the "wrong" person. How does someone claim to be a teacher of Christianity and misapprehend something so basic?
Thank you for the daily dose of wisdom. It is not a haughty or untrue title!
I think one of the biggest issues is the success of Satan to convince the public that sin equates to evil. Sin literally means missing the mark, or imperfect. So a relationship that doesn't bear children is imperfect. Therefore homosexuality is a "sin".
in the book the orthodox way by kallistos ware says "self love is the beginning of darkness, sacrificial love is the beginning of light.
“Love can be sinful”. To announce such a statement denies Gods love. For God is love and He cannot sin.
Love can be sinful doesn’t mean all love is sinful
@SheeShawUnlimited "the love of money is the root of all evil" yes love can be sinful 🤦♂️
How does saying "Love can be sinful" deny God's love? I'm not seeing it. Please help me out.
free will
"Love is love" slogan really makes me mad when I see it. I'm sorry, you can love you toaster or want to marry your child or dog. But that makes it acceptable?? C'mon people. This generation is just so upside down. Jesus help them.
LOVE versus HATE
Arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful persons on earth
are
opposed, against, and will never ever accept that -
1. Loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King
will
definitely be honored and rewarded in return by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
2. The teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
the guarantee
that
all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive Worshippers of the Creator
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as
submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Can you provide a link to the entire Voddie Baucham video please? Thank you so much and God bless you.
I think all love is pure. It's not love that is the issue it's sex. As Christians we need to stop buying into this idea that love is sex and sex is love. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you need to have sex with them. If you think about it that itself is an evil idea that we ,ask Christians, need to steer away from.
AMEN!
God bless this general in the Lord’s army. Love Voddie
Jesus also said, "Love God and love one another, that is the whole of the Law". I like to add, "Everything else is commentary". Love cannot be sinful, calling desire "love" is a different thing and should be called out as incorrect because it's often conflated.
Much like the US Constitution saying "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are the whole of the law. Everything else is details for people who need them. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, that's in the Old Testament which is history not God's Word because God's Word is Jesus' words. If he thought homosexuality was worth mentioning he would have.
Doesn't seem Jesus said that "Everething else is commentary".
Christians don't belive in the Old Testament "because it is the word of God", they belive in it 'cause Jesus said it is.
*Matthew 5:17-20*
*17* “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
*18* For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. *19* Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
*20* For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
No other Gods... no vice, appetite, or relationship has priority when it ba$tardiz3s us from Our Father. The family unit is fundamental to understanding Him.
Seems like it would be more productive to have conversations about how to better love LGBT individuals, not how to better accuse them?
You can’t love sin and love God at the same time. And it is loving to tell someone that the path they are on is not a path of salvation. If a doctor knows that your bad habits are going to lead to disease and early death, is it loving for him to tell you or do you think it would be loving if he just told you what you want to hear and say your fine keep doing what you’re doing?
@@Sammyxxoo So your interpretation of Jesus's command to love one another is to go around enumerating to others the ways they are sinning?
@@YuelSea-sw2rp How many gay friends do you regularly break bread with?
@@SammyxxooOther people's relationships is none of your business! Everyone have the right to feel safe and comfortable, without harassment or hate from radical christians...
But that would be _haaaard!_ That would require Christians to be forgiving, and loving, and empathetic. Surely, we can't expect that from them.
Very tough subject. And it's not out of being selective or biased one direction ot another, but the command to love and not to judge overwhelms any thoughts of holding homisexuality against someone. I'm a sinner. I have lust problems and I have committed terrible sins involving marriages.. plural and not just my own. I have been unfailingly unfaithful in my life. And I struggle with forgiving myself even though I believe God has. All this before answering Him of course, but im still a sinner. So, how can I judge anyone? Hold something against them when I know they were born that way? As a straight, God fearing man, any excuse I find to condem someone else, is simply a judgment I'm not worthy to make.
How About This: You Are NOT A SINNER! Think about that for a moment in the first person. “I Am Not A Sinner Because Sin Does Not Exist! It Is A Made-Up Construct, Created By An Ancient Priest Caste To Control Their Followers!”
Become Free At This Realization! ❤️
@@TheFirefishe So, if sin is just a fairy tale spun by ancient priests, then I suppose murder and theft are just mild misunderstandings, like forgetting to say "bless you" after a sneeze. Who knew the solution to a guilt-free life was simply rewriting millennia of moral teachings? Sounds like a plan-just don’t try it while borrowing someone’s car without asking!
@Metal-Nine11 Thank you for sharing a small portion of your story. I'd like to start by saying that you should not be so hard on yourself. You are a sinner, that much is true... everyone is a sinner, but what separates you from other sinners is that you are a REPENTANT sinner, and you have become a child of God, co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17). In as much as you are a sinner, a step you can take to overcome your guilt is to establish your place. You are no longer a slave to sin. You are a child of God. You are born again. This is not said to mitigate or rather trivialise your sinful nature. Rather, it is meant to hold authority over it. It is good to acknowledge being a sinner, but don't internalise it and make it who you are. Because if that's what you make yourself to be, then everything else will flow from it. God holds nothing against you!
As for the condemnation part, I wholeheartedly agree. We have no place to condemn. But we are called to judge. Not people of the world, we don't judge them. We give them loving reproach, but we judge fellow believers (1 Corinthians 5:12). This is not worldly judgement which is condemnation as you said, it is godly judgement which convicts. The Holy Spirit convicts and the enemy condemns.
Conviction is you saying "you've made a mistake"
Condemnation is you saying "you are a mistake"
You have the authority to judge fellow believers (EXCLUSIVELY USING THE WORD OF GOD. NOT BY FEELINGS OR THOUGHTS, BY THE TRUTH). So please, don't be too hard on yourself, and don't shy away from giving scripture based reproach because of guilt!
God loves you, and I love you too. Take care.💌
We can’t assume every homosexual relationship is out of lust. Just like we can’t assume every heterosexual relationship is out of love
Indeed
God says man on man and woman on woman is an abomination in the Bible. Lust or not.
A rebellious generation seek all ways to disobey God and call all feeling, confusion, puberty, lust as LOVE.
@@RickyMasterChiefLawwell the bible isn’t exactly a good source of morality
@@lawrenceeason8007 thanks for your opinion. God is the standard for morality. What's yours?
We are the generation that don't know the difference between love and lust, so we call just love.
Nice to hear a different opinion on such a current topic.. also, love is love actaully opens up a can of worms..(paedophilia, animal abuse, polygamy etc..)
Also, another though that helped me is that the love between a man and woman leads to procreation (fruit of that union).. no other combination - man with man, woman with woman, man or woman with an animal leads to pro creation.. this is in violation of God’s commandment in genesis viz be fruitful and multiply.. u cannot multiply in any other form of sexuality..
@@KayleePrince-we5pb paedophilia may be with child's consent.. would it be OK then?
The point here is from a Christian world view, the sexual relationship between man and man aka homosexuality doesn't bear fruit.. it is a love that doesn't pro create.. there is 0% chance of pro creating in homosexual act, whereas in heterosexual act, there is definitely more than 0% chance of procreation ( if artificial blockers are not used )...
By your logic, if a straight man is infertile, he should be barred from marriage, because he can't reproduce. Couples who don't want children should be barred from marriage. And what about couples too old to bear children?
Just say the truth: You're looking for an excuse to bully gay people. It's easier to single them out, than to condemn straight people for adultery or divorce. Just bully the outsiders, the misfits. Don't ever consider that maybe God made them that way to serve a function you can't understand.
Is it love? Or is it carnal desire?
This is the dark side of assigning responsibility for "objective" morality to an unaccountable God. Frank can't defend prohibiting homosexuality with any utilitarian argument. So, it's just that God finds it icky. It's not me, man, he protests with a shrug. I have no responsibility for my moral judgments. It's God's opinion, so it's out of bounds for discussion.
Q: Does the divine natural law, inscribed by God upon the heart of man, guide him toward the path of homosexual relationships?
A: No, the natural law created by God in man's heart does not direct man towards homosexuality or same-sex relationships.
Teh natural law is understood to reflect the moral order established by God,
guiding humanity towards behaviors that align with human flourishing and divine intention.