I feel like "wrong way around" is it pointing towards yourself. Your banana is aimed forward, poised for action, ready for anything. I think you're good
To me his best design (prior to DMC5 duh) is in UMvC3, the cellshaded look of the game really pops his moves and looks, it really enhances his personality to me
A little pet peeve, V's design as Vergil's human form technically doesn't include the tattoos or the dark hair, those are from his familiars, some of the body tattoos are from Griffon and some others from Shadow, the dark hair is from Nightmare
They were essentially disguising what elements of Vergil's design were inherent in V. Which lets his mannerisms and swordplay (cane-play?) do the the hinting. Honestly, a cool element of the story telling, but when looking for the best Vergil design, it's not going to be the one hiding his features.
Definitely agree with 5's design being the best. One of the reasons for that, which I don't see discussed too much, is how good it looks with the rest of the effects. In DMC3 and DMC4, we had a lot of "blue". Vergil had his blue coat and almost all his attack effects were either light blue or dark purple, which looks nice but it's still just a bunch of blue. In DMC5 however, we get black from the outfit and light blue (or dark blue from the boss version) for the effects, which I think creates a much more amazing synergy than before.
Honestly DmC design choices were fucking phenomenal, the whole look of limbo and the level designs with with the demons and the concept art aswell they had some serious talent behind the scenes, its just the writing that tore it all to the ground
Capcom ruined DmC Dante's design. The debut trailer was disgusting and in the game he doesn't have a dominant color either. When I saw the concept arts that showed DmC in red and black, he looked amazing. Especially how they wanted a DT form for both Angel and Demon. Ironically, DmC Dante looks great in his Neo Dante and DMC1 Dante costumes. DmC honestly is one of the more enjoyable campaigns to me. There's not many levels I would skip in that game. The idea behind a transforming environment was cool.
@@HadesHatredEdge yea under different circumstances it could've really been something, tho luckily it wasn't cuz im definitely more invested in the wacky pizza man and child support dodging arm stealer And tbh i kinda loved the debut, it was disgusting and it was NOT dmc, but it at least had personality and its own form of grungy punk style, which makes me really curious how it would've turned out if they stuck with that original vision of a traumatized abused kid in this world of demons and limbo, could've been cool to see him slowly start using humor as a coping mechanism and by the end being a broken mirror reflection of pizza man dante annoying the shit outta whatever vergil they had planned for that version of the game
I think that DmC really had good art direction on EVERYTHING that wasn't redesigned/reimagined. The whole parallel world limbo aesthetic were original and great, the enemy designs were original and great (except for mundus final form that looks very generic giant boss monster thing). I guess their Vergil design was on-point without the hat since it still keeps Vergil's iconic "classy" look. But Donte is just a very very very bad redesign where he turned into a stereotypical archetype of a "badboy" with a loose jacket. AND LASTLY I very much hate that even if the brothers were half angel and devil, instead of human and devil. Their devil triggers are just them with a different texture (I would've appreciated a less human DT since they're not human anymore)
For real. It would've been a hard fit in 3, but 4 could have had it. There was room for it narratively, but that wasn't gonna happen with production as it was.
They could have added a post game dlc were we play as both Dante and Vergil during their time in hell were they each face of against different new servants of Mundus and discover that Mundus is coming back, wich would serve as a hint for the plot of a possible new game.
Still prefer the "thinner" design of in-engine DMC3. Surprised you didn't address the different face model in DMC5. Always found that Distracting. I do really like how V's face looks more like Trish's. For plot reasons. Nice touch. Might be my imagination though
The face is still the same it's just a difference in rendering, with it being a few bonus DLC cutscenes I don't think they went as all in on the graphical fidelity as they did for the base game
Well twins can grow to have completely different faces based on how one is raised and stuff like that. So it makes sense why Dante and Vergil have different faces. I mean Vergil was literally tortured and changed completely to become Nelo Angelo. Dante has not been tortured or changed into a different being.
It was worth the 2 year wait for that banana flip! I'd be interested to see your take on the Devil Trigger designs considering all you've had to say about the base designs.
I think you need to do a fourth part of this DMC series looking at the designs of the Devil Triggers for the protagonists. Badass transformations need to be scrutinized.
Honestly I'm torn between his design in 3 and 5. I like that one horizontal strip at the back of his coat in dmc 3 with two big buttons on each side I think it's there to hold the three tails of his coat. And I like the aesthetic of the boot gaiter buckles he has on 5 matching the buttons on his cuffs.
Welcome back! The notification for this made my morning xD I personally agree with you on the fave Vergil design, though honestly I love DMC3's a whole lot, too. This video also brought something to my attention I hadn't thought about: I think one of the reasons DmC (the reboot) designs come off so poorly, despite feeling like pretty good designs in a vacuum, is because they are "contemporary" for their time, but the problem is, the characters of mainline Devil May Cry are pretty timeless, so taking something timeless and redesigning it to be contemporary means the redesign is always going to age worse than the original. DmC feels like it's eternally in the late 00s/early 10s, but the classic characters feel like they could have come out pretty much any time. I think making timeless, appealing designs is something that the creative at Capcom truly excel at.
Vergil’s best fit is the black fit in 5 for me the ONLY thing I hate is that his coat isn’t floor length, the mod that makes his coat drag the floor complete that look imo.
I think it's a very hard tie for me between DMC5 and DMC4/3. Because his colorful design of 4 and 3 is a lot more recognizable and iconic for me. BUT DMC5 Vergil design is the perfect evolution of his design in every aspect. The darker colored coat makes him a lot more broodier similar with the tone change of DMC5 from DMC4 and it also makes sense that the coat was once blue but due to all the stuff he went through it eventually turned black and complemented by the tattered tail which really sells the idea that he's been through hell off-camera. But I think his DMC4/3 is still better if the designs were put side-by-side without the story context and just basing on his personality and what kind of character he portrays.
I think the best possible Vergil design would be the costume from 5, but with the colors from 3. So, basically 5 EX Vergil, maybe with a small color tweak here or there.
I think he would stick out too much in dmc 5 they went more realistic so characters have darker clothes (dante, nero, vergil) and that way it looks nicer. Also it has sense that he has clothes like that he was tortured and enslaved for years
I just realized, Vergil went to Fortuna a year before he raised the Temennigru. Which would mean that DMC4 Vergil is technically 1 year younger than DMC3 Vergil.
What I like about Vergil in DMC5 is that he is focused, calculating yet he smiles and even at times taunts while Dante remains the same trickster as we know him but he is also takes things serious and has a more focused mind. We see how each took something from the other
One thing I love about DMC 5's version is how they changed the Yamato. With Dante getting his own devil sword, I thought it was weird that Vergil got no upgraded weapon to match. Except he did, the DMC5 Yamato is clearly distinct from it's older version, with more complex engravings and such. I think this is the Yamato empowered by Nero's Devil Bringer, since the sword is transformed from the Devil Bringer now, rather than just being stored within it. It is a really cool way of increasing power without feeling contrived. Idk if that's actually canon though, but it's definitely what I'm personally going with.
I'm... gonna have to mostly agree. While DMC3's version was perhaps the most iconic (and 4:SE was just a cleaner version), 5 is definitely the best. Besides, even if you don't like the black jacket look, you can switch out the color palette for the classic colors and it looks just as incredible. Gonna have to somewhat disagree with the reboot's redesign being good, tho. Nearly solid black jacket with designs at the very bottom which takes the eyes away from where you SHOULD focus, an oversized collar (which mimics DiNO's own which is just as bad looking), and pinstriped goddamn pants? Even worse, despite the goofy in retrospect look he has when breaking it down, the fact that it IS bland due to trying so hard to be "contemporary" docks even more points in the design. Doesn't help that the hat was the wrong kind of ridiculous to boot. But the looks are only one part of design, as behavior also contributes, and oh boy is Vergil's performance awful (just like every other character in the reboot, really) and beyond unfaithful to the original character to the point that it kinda spits in the face of who Vergil is, and that's a crime worthy of ridicule. Also, you pronounced Mundus wrong, lol.
Just throwing out there the best representation of dmc3 vergil is mvc3. His fucking idle pose alone sells you o. his power and edgyness... and motivation! You that you dont wanna see him unsith his sword. Most of them dont anyways!
On a side note, it's a shame that Vergil in the main games has been kind of an after thought. He hasn't been given any new levels, or bosses until 5. And even in 5 it was only one new boss fight, with basically playing the rest of the game with Vergil with no changes. That is the one big thing that DmC got right with Vergil. Even if it was just using assests, the new levels and story were appreciated. Story was shit, but the effort was appreciated
@@KaitouKaiju but doesn't that feel kinda lame? Cause Sam from MGRR has the same role, and he has "new" levels with a new story. Sure they reused boss fights, but it still felt great
when you think about it from a story perspective though dmc5 was the Vergil game (which is funny considering 5=V). he cuts of Neros arm first giving him motivation to later fight Urizen, and the both becomes the big bad as well as the one who gets the main cast involved, and if you read the visions of V manga, it expands on the development V and thus Vergil goes through. be basically overcomes his trauma and matures. sure Nero had his own arc as well but 5 was extremly important for Vergils character
Best design in DMC3. When the Yamato was scabbarded, Vergil kept the scabbard itself up most of the time, which created extra personality for the character. In DMC4SE and DMC5 this is lost, the scabbard is lowered as is the character's motivation (in voice lines). Now he completely different character... sad.
I agree fully, in dmc3 he wields a katana without form, like he is beyond human techniques, he does not need that, he is so powerful he does not need to get in stance or show effort, keeping a pose. Then in dmc4 dante wields a katana like in an anime which makes sense, but then they copied and pasted in vergil so they would not have to redo the animations. Unfortunately they carried on with the trend for dmc5. In dmc5 Vergil looks goofy...the face and the exaggeration of the iaido
honestly something about the dmc3 design just works. I think its because his in game model has more volume to his hair and generally the face is just nicer. I dislike when they make his hair all thin and wirey.
Personally I think DMC3 Vergil is the best design for him. To me, Vergil has always been kind of a campy loser who’s absurdity loops right back around to being kickass. I mean, he’s an Italian (or New Yorker. Kinda unsure where Redgrave is supposed to lie geographically) half-demon who wields a traditional Japanese sword and flies around cutting space in half. While I adore his DMC5 design, his over the top, more anime-inspired DMC3 look always felt more representative of him. Not to mention, I just love the style of 3 in general- something about the face models is super charming and I love the little tufts of loose hair on Vergil. As a side note, even though he’s not technically “Vergil” and more like a clone, his design as Gilver in the dmc1 light novel is super striking. The formal suit and totally obscured and bandaged body is a really cool contrast, and the image of him (spoilers!) absolutely exploding the everloving hell out of Dante with a souped up shotgun is wonderful.
Oh hey. This vid comes out the same day I start playing dmc5 again and continue to get my ass utterly kicked by Vergil again in mission 19. What a coincidence!
Any plans to do a Street Fighter character with 6 on the horizon? Chun-Li would be a pretty good one to start with. Edit: just saw the Cammy Thumbnail as I was typing this lol
I would love to make lots of street fighter episodes to be honest. I'm not that versed on the lore and different games though so going to have to be strategic about how I do it!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn thanks! And that makes sense. Also kind random but would you ever do one based on the Ninja turtles and all their interpretations? Even for a character like Shreddar or April
YAY!!! BACK to Design Retrospectives for Characters! And did you know that The new Mario Bros. Movie trailer is coming up? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE UPCOMING TRAILER TOMORROW!!! Not to mention I took a sneak peek at Mario's new design and he looks like modern CGI Bob The Builder.
I personally like dmc 5 Virgil the best I like the black coat I like to think that it's the evidence of his human side or a side effect of him merging with V
I do feel like it was a bit of a missed opportunity to not compare and rank the level of detail and design that went into his devil triggers through 3 4 and 5.
Excuse me, but I'm looking for a cosplay costume of Vergil and I don't which one I chose, from the blue one (the original) and the black one. I understand that you like the black one the most, but I'm starting to think that I kinda want the blue one. Are you sure about this? Don't be mad at me please, I just want your advise to find a nice and suitable costume for this Halloween's year.
3 has the best character model to me. Same face as Dante as it should be, and the hair looks more real because of the stray bangs/tuffs + more volume the outfit itself is fine I guess, some 'hmm' colour decisions (the gloves..) but it is an alright look overall, I like that he has a cravat =) the vest kinda reminds me of a bulletproof vest though - or ribs ? 😅 4 in theory is the same almost, but it looks so disgustingly plastic.. just no I don't see how the reboot is similar to the og, and I won't rate it 5 is a nice colour change - and we really need to know how and where Vergil managed to find his new sick coat it hell (the whole outfit really).. the pants and gloves are nice, but I don't like his boots at all the vest + coat combo I feel has _too much_ going on - the double (?) vest in two colours and the coat lapels with buttons.. a bit over the top I suppose the outfit could somehow be explained as "well it was hell you know, he got what he found", but no one ever bothered to explain how he got out in the first place so.. it's not the worst thing but also not brilliant and the hair is just bad, you got a bajillion-dollar realistic engine but Vergli looks like he's been struck by lightning or something, come on and the face... is handsome but casting two completely different people for twins is 🙅🤨 so.. 3 looks the best to me, and it's nice they at least gave him new clothes in 5 new costumes for 6? 🙂
I'm 6 months late but in dmc 5 them looking different does make sense because as identical twins get older their characteristics and defining look tend to change drastically also I'm personally really fine with the hair
I also want to point Dante and Virgil matured in different environments and different timezones. There is a reason why when you visit foregin countries each place has features of people that all look the same in that specific location. High altitudes low altitude changes people voice changes peoples nose this is something that happens throughout generations so it doesnt really excuse Vergil but it does make sense a person features will change depending on their experience and environment. Vergil is also always angry and has that stern look so those forhead lines and frown make sense menawhile Dante I laid back has no sunken lines and is alsmot always has a small grin smile that come his smartass comments.
@@void777-f8t (replying to both) this is a video game and not real, it does not have to follow real logic how come between 8 and 19 they likely were not in the same environment yet looked the same at 19? Down to the length of their hair Why not have one face model and then modify it? It does not have to be two different people
@@SemekiIzuio (replying to both) this is a video game and not real, it does not have to follow real logic how come between 8 and 19 they likely were not in the same environment yet looked the same at 19? Down to the length of their hair Why not have one face model and then modify it? It does not have to be two different people
@@ksuhnner they had the same model until one was in hell the other was in the human world. Modifying a face in the end will result in a different look of the face so not sure what you are saying when they have the RE engine. Lastly "doesnt follow game logic" youre right, not sure what is the problem for you of them having different model faces when everything else signifies twins.
DMC was really bad... But I got the DLC to play as Vergil I actually prefer to only use Yamato for everything. Beowolf and the mirage is cool but only the Katana was so cool. I just wish the was the red Summon swords to also pull enemies towards you. I really loved it to use enemies as stairs some times😁
um, actually, vergil's appearance in dmc4 is canon (the opening and outro cutscenes at least) as it is set before any event in the games. this is when he bangs nero's mother 🤓
DmC: Definitive Edition just did a lot of things that really changed the core combo structure of the game to be a whole lot less engaging. It was still fun don't get me wrong but it was a huge step down in quality in terms of combat design. Having a dedicated launcher is cool until you remember what it's replacing. Swordmaster, Gunslinger, Trickster, and Royalguard all gone do to a simple change. Then there was the weapons problem. It was no longer about switching to very unique and distinct weapons that had their own execution and level of mastery. Now it was Power Weapon and Quick Weapon. Completely different philosophy going on. They were functionally sound but pretty boring compared to past games like say Nevan, Beowulf, Cerberus, Pandora, Red Queen, Busters, and Pandora. It was originally made this way because of the mandatory color coded enemies but since they now have fixed that it's now just this weird awkward system that's totally replacing the old one for no good reason. That's also on top of the fact the story change was completely unnecessary. I still had fun but it's very much doing it's own thing. It's kind of like the God of War changes but not as drastic so it's really hard to explain to new players what is EXACTLY different about the gameplay and why it will always make the OG DMC fans not really want to play it like the others. That's just Dante I haven't even talked about Vergil on DmC... Who's regarded as the worst to play character in the whole series. His DLC campaign ruined every last bit of faith anyone had towards that game. No other weapons just the Yamato with the same gimmicky Heavy and Quick mechanic but with Yamato just changing red or blue. It was fucking awful. All of that wasted potential. It's not like it's a great series that just drops a bit in quality it's a complete reboot on the whole system and the way we play it! Which gets mixed up in all of the "It's a bad DMC Game but a Good Action Game" when really it's a good DIFFERENT DMC game. But I'm glad we're on the DMCV timeline. Different ingredients for similar outcomes but ultimately still very different
I prefer how Vergil looks in DMC3. His model is perfect. And while black is my favorite color, often in DMC5, I switch between the black and the blue. However there is one game that I NEVER switch colors/costumes and that is DMC4. Vergil in the Vante colors is 100% his best look to me. I would even say he looks better in red than Dante. The DmC Reboot is solid but I hated how we never got the clean look from the main campaign. My issue with DMC5 is that it dulls all the colors. DMC4 is vibrant and every attack looks amazing. I still boot up it up to enjoy the visuals and SFX. So for me in terms of design: DMC4 Vante>DMC3>DMC5>DmC.
Three things that always bother me with Vergil is: One: both he's human and DT designs in DMC 4 are just high definition version of the ones in DmC 3. Why didn't they gave him original looks to serve as counterparts for Dante's? Two: as of today the dmc reebot is the only game where Vergil has his own playable campaign. Why? And three: I don't like the design for Vergil's DT form in DMC 5. The over the top jagged design simply doesn't fit his personality and style of fighting. It does fit with Dante's actual over the top personality and his show off nature and way of fighting put not Vergil's cool, cold and collected persona. In my opinion Vergil's final true demon form should have been more tonned down and look somewhere between Nero's DT design and Urizen's final form, but without all the extra eyes, all the horns and instead of Nero's angelic features, a callback to the order of Sparda, Vergil's could have some ethereal elements/features since in that game Vergil's attacks are visually complemented with ghost like ethereal effects.
DMC4SE Vergil is the best design. It’s a good translation of his PS2 model. Granted, nah the 5 design is great, it’s just his model I don’t love. Maybe it’s the hair.
Fun fact: between the DMC3 and DMC5 designs, Vergil loses his black scarf. It is then revealed the Nero got the name "Nero", because he was found at the orphanage door, wrapped in a black scarf
That's incorrect thinking. First of all, Nero was wrapped in a black blanket, not a scarf. Second of all, and more importantly, Vergil had his scarf during DMC3, which takes place AFTER he visits Fortuna (which is where he got the woman pregnant), so it doesn't follow. To begin with, Vergil never even knew he had a son, so there's no chance he'd have left his scarf for him.
Dime, viste el meme de una chica dibujada que se pone a llorar por ver el diseño de Vergil en el 3 y luego leer que a Nero lo encontraron solo y arropado con un paño negro? Por qué eso está tan equivocado.
I think the design's choice for both of the reboot Dante and Vergil go in opposite ways, when you look at dante's design you see him as a rebellious person, when you look at vergil you see him as a mature but more of pro-authoritarian. They clash each other's design ideas I love it so much. Such a shame that the reboot sucked lol
While I do think that overall Vergil's best design is dmc 5, I don't like how his dmc 5 design dropped that signature blue that he's known for wearing. Dante is supposed to be red, while Vergil is blue.
@@hunterxkiller8732 He really isn't, just because he's a katana-wielding lone wolf doesn't mean he's a copy of Vergil. He's one of those characters simply based off of Miyamoto Musashi.
DMC3 looked good but I also like DMC5's look. DmC Vergil looked more like a nazi I thought, with his slick back hair, black coat and armband. Also his hat looked more like the littlest cowboy hat - ala Kurt Angle - and it did NOT look good 😆
While I like 5's design, I have one problem with it : It's not blue. Dante, despite losing more and more red in each new iteration of his design, still reads as a character coded as "red" because he keeps the iconic coat. Vergil has been coded as blue since he appeared as himself, yet 5 decided to just shove him in all black.
Showed the intro to my gf and she told me I'm holding the banana the wrong way round... Is that a thing?
It's good to be back!
I feel like "wrong way around" is it pointing towards yourself. Your banana is aimed forward, poised for action, ready for anything. I think you're good
Yea its the other way round
A banana isn't a gun
Or is it?
He has returned!
I love the head cannon of Vergil never washing his coat between DMC3 and 5, based on the fact it's just a black version of his old coat.
I love that as well 😂
he ain't got time for that when he was tortured and turned into nelo angelo by mundus
I’m pretty sure his clothes were made by the fruit and the combination of V and Urizen
@@chorals4856 And his coat being black in the flashback is because of the fruit he eats later on?
@@DripTitan6988 I think the devs were just saving time
Vergil’s design is so iconic that, even though I had never played a DMC game before, I instantly recognized him in DMC5
That is, 100% accurate
To me his best design (prior to DMC5 duh) is in UMvC3, the cellshaded look of the game really pops his moves and looks, it really enhances his personality to me
And as usual he's the strongest character in the game
A little pet peeve, V's design as Vergil's human form technically doesn't include the tattoos or the dark hair, those are from his familiars, some of the body tattoos are from Griffon and some others from Shadow, the dark hair is from Nightmare
They were essentially disguising what elements of Vergil's design were inherent in V. Which lets his mannerisms and swordplay (cane-play?) do the the hinting. Honestly, a cool element of the story telling, but when looking for the best Vergil design, it's not going to be the one hiding his features.
When you ask your bro what he was doing last night and he says "your mom" but you're actually brothers 15:14
Definitely agree with 5's design being the best. One of the reasons for that, which I don't see discussed too much, is how good it looks with the rest of the effects. In DMC3 and DMC4, we had a lot of "blue". Vergil had his blue coat and almost all his attack effects were either light blue or dark purple, which looks nice but it's still just a bunch of blue. In DMC5 however, we get black from the outfit and light blue (or dark blue from the boss version) for the effects, which I think creates a much more amazing synergy than before.
I love using Vergil’s excolor in cutscenes for DMC5. The high fidelity plus the old color palate is just amazing.
I'm annoyed I didn't look at this!!!
one thing that they never do in the newer games is show him with his hair down like in DMC3,i love it when he slicks his hair back.
Honestly DmC design choices were fucking phenomenal, the whole look of limbo and the level designs with with the demons and the concept art aswell they had some serious talent behind the scenes, its just the writing that tore it all to the ground
Writing and the timing!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn that aswell, people were NOT open to a dmc reboot at the time
Capcom ruined DmC Dante's design. The debut trailer was disgusting and in the game he doesn't have a dominant color either. When I saw the concept arts that showed DmC in red and black, he looked amazing. Especially how they wanted a DT form for both Angel and Demon. Ironically, DmC Dante looks great in his Neo Dante and DMC1 Dante costumes.
DmC honestly is one of the more enjoyable campaigns to me. There's not many levels I would skip in that game. The idea behind a transforming environment was cool.
@@HadesHatredEdge yea under different circumstances it could've really been something, tho luckily it wasn't cuz im definitely more invested in the wacky pizza man and child support dodging arm stealer
And tbh i kinda loved the debut, it was disgusting and it was NOT dmc, but it at least had personality and its own form of grungy punk style, which makes me really curious how it would've turned out if they stuck with that original vision of a traumatized abused kid in this world of demons and limbo, could've been cool to see him slowly start using humor as a coping mechanism and by the end being a broken mirror reflection of pizza man dante annoying the shit outta whatever vergil they had planned for that version of the game
I think that DmC really had good art direction on EVERYTHING that wasn't redesigned/reimagined. The whole parallel world limbo aesthetic were original and great, the enemy designs were original and great (except for mundus final form that looks very generic giant boss monster thing). I guess their Vergil design was on-point without the hat since it still keeps Vergil's iconic "classy" look. But Donte is just a very very very bad redesign where he turned into a stereotypical archetype of a "badboy" with a loose jacket. AND LASTLY I very much hate that even if the brothers were half angel and devil, instead of human and devil. Their devil triggers are just them with a different texture (I would've appreciated a less human DT since they're not human anymore)
The best part about DmC is the fact that for the first , and sadly last time Virgil got his own unique story arc to play through. 🤷♂️
Few people have mentioned this!
It’s too bad Vergil’s Downfall sucked and you could only play as Vergil in the few very short missions he has and Bloody Palace.
@@assassinonprozac why would u play anyone other than vergil in his own mode
For real. It would've been a hard fit in 3, but 4 could have had it. There was room for it narratively, but that wasn't gonna happen with production as it was.
They could have added a post game dlc were we play as both Dante and Vergil during their time in hell were they each face of against different new servants of Mundus and discover that Mundus is coming back, wich would serve as a hint for the plot of a possible new game.
I saw this notification and whispered "the return of the king"
Still prefer the "thinner" design of in-engine DMC3.
Surprised you didn't address the different face model in DMC5. Always found that Distracting.
I do really like how V's face looks more like Trish's. For plot reasons. Nice touch. Might be my imagination though
DLC Vergil has a different face model than final boss Vergil
@@notproductiveproductions3504 wha, really? Gonna look that up
@@theologamer there’s some facial lines that appear in the alternate final boss cutscene that don’t appear in the vanilla campaign’s cutscenes
The face is still the same it's just a difference in rendering, with it being a few bonus DLC cutscenes I don't think they went as all in on the graphical fidelity as they did for the base game
Well twins can grow to have completely different faces based on how one is raised and stuff like that. So it makes sense why Dante and Vergil have different faces. I mean Vergil was literally tortured and changed completely to become Nelo Angelo. Dante has not been tortured or changed into a different being.
It was worth the 2 year wait for that banana flip!
I'd be interested to see your take on the Devil Trigger designs considering all you've had to say about the base designs.
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I think you need to do a fourth part of this DMC series looking at the designs of the Devil Triggers for the protagonists. Badass transformations need to be scrutinized.
Definitely considering it down the line. The devil may cry videos on this channel have all gone down so well!
Honestly I'm torn between his design in 3 and 5. I like that one horizontal strip at the back of his coat in dmc 3 with two big buttons on each side I think it's there to hold the three tails of his coat. And I like the aesthetic of the boot gaiter buckles he has on 5 matching the buttons on his cuffs.
Vergil is THE. Rival composite. The red vs blue, wild vs calm it’s perfect
Witcher 1 geralt is definitely the best design, iconic manticore witcher school armor included
DMC3 Vergil is fine asl, old man Vergil looks like he’s on his 3 pack of cigarettes for the day
Welcome back! The notification for this made my morning xD
I personally agree with you on the fave Vergil design, though honestly I love DMC3's a whole lot, too.
This video also brought something to my attention I hadn't thought about: I think one of the reasons DmC (the reboot) designs come off so poorly, despite feeling like pretty good designs in a vacuum, is because they are "contemporary" for their time, but the problem is, the characters of mainline Devil May Cry are pretty timeless, so taking something timeless and redesigning it to be contemporary means the redesign is always going to age worse than the original. DmC feels like it's eternally in the late 00s/early 10s, but the classic characters feel like they could have come out pretty much any time.
I think making timeless, appealing designs is something that the creative at Capcom truly excel at.
aaah means a lot to me man, glad I can have that effect!
What I don’t like is that Dante and Vergil don’t share the same face! They’re supposed to be “IDENTICAL” Twins after all!
It's pretty annoying. And they don't look just a little different, it's two completely different faces.
@@vanyadollybecause twins faces change when they get older
@@shagsters_ Not that much
Vergil’s best fit is the black fit in 5 for me the ONLY thing I hate is that his coat isn’t floor length, the mod that makes his coat drag the floor complete that look imo.
I think it's a very hard tie for me between DMC5 and DMC4/3. Because his colorful design of 4 and 3 is a lot more recognizable and iconic for me. BUT DMC5 Vergil design is the perfect evolution of his design in every aspect. The darker colored coat makes him a lot more broodier similar with the tone change of DMC5 from DMC4 and it also makes sense that the coat was once blue but due to all the stuff he went through it eventually turned black and complemented by the tattered tail which really sells the idea that he's been through hell off-camera.
But I think his DMC4/3 is still better if the designs were put side-by-side without the story context and just basing on his personality and what kind of character he portrays.
I think the best possible Vergil design would be the costume from 5, but with the colors from 3. So, basically 5 EX Vergil, maybe with a small color tweak here or there.
I think he would stick out too much in dmc 5 they went more realistic so characters have darker clothes (dante, nero, vergil) and that way it looks nicer. Also it has sense that he has clothes like that he was tortured and enslaved for years
I just realized, Vergil went to Fortuna a year before he raised the Temennigru. Which would mean that DMC4 Vergil is technically 1 year younger than DMC3 Vergil.
What I like about Vergil in DMC5 is that he is focused, calculating yet he smiles and even at times taunts while Dante remains the same trickster as we know him but he is also takes things serious and has a more focused mind. We see how each took something from the other
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V actually has white hair, when not in combat his demons turn into black ink, Griffin and Shadow as his Tattoos, and Nightmare makes his hair black
At last. I've waited eons for this, and now it's here. Beyond that, it's.... it's................ MOTIVATED!
Happy you finally got what you were after!
Hell yeah brother, welcome back
WOOOO! Thanks for the support as always man
One thing I love about DMC 5's version is how they changed the Yamato. With Dante getting his own devil sword, I thought it was weird that Vergil got no upgraded weapon to match. Except he did, the DMC5 Yamato is clearly distinct from it's older version, with more complex engravings and such. I think this is the Yamato empowered by Nero's Devil Bringer, since the sword is transformed from the Devil Bringer now, rather than just being stored within it. It is a really cool way of increasing power without feeling contrived.
Idk if that's actually canon though, but it's definitely what I'm personally going with.
The only thing that would make Vergil’s DMC5 design better imo would be to give him his little bangs back
Morrison took Vergil's hat ... and works it quite well....
I'm... gonna have to mostly agree. While DMC3's version was perhaps the most iconic (and 4:SE was just a cleaner version), 5 is definitely the best. Besides, even if you don't like the black jacket look, you can switch out the color palette for the classic colors and it looks just as incredible.
Gonna have to somewhat disagree with the reboot's redesign being good, tho. Nearly solid black jacket with designs at the very bottom which takes the eyes away from where you SHOULD focus, an oversized collar (which mimics DiNO's own which is just as bad looking), and pinstriped goddamn pants? Even worse, despite the goofy in retrospect look he has when breaking it down, the fact that it IS bland due to trying so hard to be "contemporary" docks even more points in the design. Doesn't help that the hat was the wrong kind of ridiculous to boot. But the looks are only one part of design, as behavior also contributes, and oh boy is Vergil's performance awful (just like every other character in the reboot, really) and beyond unfaithful to the original character to the point that it kinda spits in the face of who Vergil is, and that's a crime worthy of ridicule.
Also, you pronounced Mundus wrong, lol.
Yeah DmC's Vergil does not sound like Vergil
At All
He just does not sound good, also the arm band on his left arm is... Let's say on the nose
@@jadenknott Yeeeeeeeaaah... "on the nose" to say the absolute LEAST.
Just throwing out there the best representation of dmc3 vergil is mvc3. His fucking idle pose alone sells you o. his power and edgyness... and motivation!
You that you dont wanna see him unsith his sword.
Most of them dont anyways!
On a side note, it's a shame that Vergil in the main games has been kind of an after thought. He hasn't been given any new levels, or bosses until 5. And even in 5 it was only one new boss fight, with basically playing the rest of the game with Vergil with no changes.
That is the one big thing that DmC got right with Vergil. Even if it was just using assests, the new levels and story were appreciated. Story was shit, but the effort was appreciated
I mean yeah from a playable perspective for sure. I'd say dmc5 was great for him as the big bad though.
Because Vergil is a bonus playable character, never the protagonist
@@KaitouKaiju but doesn't that feel kinda lame? Cause Sam from MGRR has the same role, and he has "new" levels with a new story. Sure they reused boss fights, but it still felt great
when you think about it from a story perspective though dmc5 was the Vergil game (which is funny considering 5=V). he cuts of Neros arm first giving him motivation to later fight Urizen, and the both becomes the big bad as well as the one who gets the main cast involved, and if you read the visions of V manga, it expands on the development V and thus Vergil goes through. be basically overcomes his trauma and matures. sure Nero had his own arc as well but 5 was extremly important for Vergils character
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Best design in DMC3. When the Yamato was scabbarded, Vergil kept the scabbard itself up most of the time, which created extra personality for the character.
In DMC4SE and DMC5 this is lost, the scabbard is lowered as is the character's motivation (in voice lines). Now he completely different character... sad.
I agree fully, in dmc3 he wields a katana without form, like he is beyond human techniques, he does not need that, he is so powerful he does not need to get in stance or show effort, keeping a pose.
Then in dmc4 dante wields a katana like in an anime which makes sense, but then they copied and pasted in vergil so they would not have to redo the animations. Unfortunately they carried on with the trend for dmc5.
In dmc5 Vergil looks goofy...the face and the exaggeration of the iaido
It would be cool if you'd do a video on all the different Mega Men.
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That's is the reason, why I have a classier appearance than Dante.
Hi Vergillll
Say whatever you want but the outfit of the reboot vergil is amazing
compared to original vergil he looks goofy tbh, literally looks like he’s cosplaying as a mafia boss, but everyone has their own preferences
honestly something about the dmc3 design just works. I think its because his in game model has more volume to his hair and generally the face is just nicer. I dislike when they make his hair all thin and wirey.
I literally just beat dmc5, which is actually my first in the series, so this is great timing lol
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Personally I think DMC3 Vergil is the best design for him. To me, Vergil has always been kind of a campy loser who’s absurdity loops right back around to being kickass. I mean, he’s an Italian (or New Yorker. Kinda unsure where Redgrave is supposed to lie geographically) half-demon who wields a traditional Japanese sword and flies around cutting space in half. While I adore his DMC5 design, his over the top, more anime-inspired DMC3 look always felt more representative of him. Not to mention, I just love the style of 3 in general- something about the face models is super charming and I love the little tufts of loose hair on Vergil. As a side note, even though he’s not technically “Vergil” and more like a clone, his design as Gilver in the dmc1 light novel is super striking. The formal suit and totally obscured and bandaged body is a really cool contrast, and the image of him (spoilers!) absolutely exploding the everloving hell out of Dante with a souped up shotgun is wonderful.
DMC3 Vergil without the jacket is beautiful
Oh hey. This vid comes out the same day I start playing dmc5 again and continue to get my ass utterly kicked by Vergil again in mission 19. What a coincidence!
Hell yes
DMC3 Vergil is peak because it’s the antithesis of everything that describes Dante
Any plans to do a Street Fighter character with 6 on the horizon? Chun-Li would be a pretty good one to start with.
Edit: just saw the Cammy Thumbnail as I was typing this lol
I would love to make lots of street fighter episodes to be honest. I'm not that versed on the lore and different games though so going to have to be strategic about how I do it!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn thanks! And that makes sense.
Also kind random but would you ever do one based on the Ninja turtles and all their interpretations? Even for a character like Shreddar or April
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exactly lol
cant wait for part two of the anime
Dmc 5 Vergil's coat looks like something the Undertaker would wear
*gong*
@@ArtistMarkFlynn *transition to bury the light *
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I know it wasn't needed, and yeah sometimes is a little too much, but DmC is a great game, a very fun one too, i love the gameplay and the aesthetics!
You should do Ryu Hayabusa and the DOA ninjas
uziren cannon also has a mouth for a crouch (i am being 100% literal go check the cutscene where he eats the fruit)
UMVC3 was the best in my opinion, it looks like 3 and 4 but the shading and in general it looks so clean
YAY!!! BACK to Design Retrospectives for Characters! And did you know that The new Mario Bros. Movie trailer is coming up? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE UPCOMING TRAILER TOMORROW!!! Not to mention I took a sneak peek at Mario's new design and he looks like modern CGI Bob The Builder.
lmao. Might see if I can make a quick video about this.
my favorite vergil design is the dmc4's corrupt vergil
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I personally like dmc 5 Virgil the best I like the black coat I like to think that it's the evidence of his human side or a side effect of him merging with V
Honestly considering the fact Vergil is probably homeless, it’s understandable he never washes his jacket
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Thanks!
Can it be explained how Yamato and the Devil Bringer are the same?
Still fucking it up with a banana, I see.
His DMC5 version looks better when he has dirt, boold and some wounds in his face.
I do feel like it was a bit of a missed opportunity to not compare and rank the level of detail and design that went into his devil triggers through 3 4 and 5.
I've never really ranked stuff? Might do the devil trigger stuff in the future though. This video was long enough without including it imoo.
Excuse me, but I'm looking for a cosplay costume of Vergil and I don't which one I chose, from the blue one (the original) and the black one. I understand that you like the black one the most, but I'm starting to think that I kinda want the blue one. Are you sure about this? Don't be mad at me please, I just want your advise to find a nice and suitable costume for this Halloween's year.
3 has the best character model to me. Same face as Dante as it should be, and the hair looks more real because of the stray bangs/tuffs + more volume
the outfit itself is fine I guess, some 'hmm' colour decisions (the gloves..) but it is an alright look overall, I like that he has a cravat =) the vest kinda reminds me of a bulletproof vest though - or ribs ? 😅
4 in theory is the same almost, but it looks so disgustingly plastic.. just no
I don't see how the reboot is similar to the og, and I won't rate it
5 is a nice colour change - and we really need to know how and where Vergil managed to find his new sick coat it hell (the whole outfit really)..
the pants and gloves are nice, but I don't like his boots at all
the vest + coat combo I feel has _too much_ going on - the double (?) vest in two colours and the coat lapels with buttons.. a bit over the top
I suppose the outfit could somehow be explained as "well it was hell you know, he got what he found", but no one ever bothered to explain how he got out in the first place so..
it's not the worst thing but also not brilliant
and the hair is just bad, you got a bajillion-dollar realistic engine but Vergli looks like he's been struck by lightning or something, come on
and the face... is handsome but casting two completely different people for twins is 🙅🤨
so.. 3 looks the best to me, and it's nice they at least gave him new clothes in 5
new costumes for 6? 🙂
I'm 6 months late but in dmc 5 them looking different does make sense because as identical twins get older their characteristics and defining look tend to change drastically
also I'm personally really fine with the hair
I also want to point Dante and Virgil matured in different environments and different timezones. There is a reason why when you visit foregin countries each place has features of people that all look the same in that specific location. High altitudes low altitude changes people voice changes peoples nose this is something that happens throughout generations so it doesnt really excuse Vergil but it does make sense a person features will change depending on their experience and environment. Vergil is also always angry and has that stern look so those forhead lines and frown make sense menawhile Dante I laid back has no sunken lines and is alsmot always has a small grin smile that come his smartass comments.
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this is a video game and not real, it does not have to follow real logic
how come between 8 and 19 they likely were not in the same environment yet looked the same at 19? Down to the length of their hair
Why not have one face model and then modify it? It does not have to be two different people
@@SemekiIzuio
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this is a video game and not real, it does not have to follow real logic
how come between 8 and 19 they likely were not in the same environment yet looked the same at 19? Down to the length of their hair
Why not have one face model and then modify it? It does not have to be two different people
@@ksuhnner they had the same model until one was in hell the other was in the human world. Modifying a face in the end will result in a different look of the face so not sure what you are saying when they have the RE engine. Lastly "doesnt follow game logic" youre right, not sure what is the problem for you of them having different model faces when everything else signifies twins.
DMC was really bad... But I got the DLC to play as Vergil I actually prefer to only use Yamato for everything. Beowolf and the mirage is cool but only the Katana was so cool. I just wish the was the red Summon swords to also pull enemies towards you. I really loved it to use enemies as stairs some times😁
um, actually, vergil's appearance in dmc4 is canon (the opening and outro cutscenes at least) as it is set before any event in the games. this is when he bangs nero's mother 🤓
DmC: Definitive Edition just did a lot of things that really changed the core combo structure of the game to be a whole lot less engaging. It was still fun don't get me wrong but it was a huge step down in quality in terms of combat design. Having a dedicated launcher is cool until you remember what it's replacing. Swordmaster, Gunslinger, Trickster, and Royalguard all gone do to a simple change. Then there was the weapons problem. It was no longer about switching to very unique and distinct weapons that had their own execution and level of mastery. Now it was Power Weapon and Quick Weapon. Completely different philosophy going on. They were functionally sound but pretty boring compared to past games like say Nevan, Beowulf, Cerberus, Pandora, Red Queen, Busters, and Pandora. It was originally made this way because of the mandatory color coded enemies but since they now have fixed that it's now just this weird awkward system that's totally replacing the old one for no good reason. That's also on top of the fact the story change was completely unnecessary. I still had fun but it's very much doing it's own thing. It's kind of like the God of War changes but not as drastic so it's really hard to explain to new players what is EXACTLY different about the gameplay and why it will always make the OG DMC fans not really want to play it like the others.
That's just Dante I haven't even talked about Vergil on DmC... Who's regarded as the worst to play character in the whole series. His DLC campaign ruined every last bit of faith anyone had towards that game. No other weapons just the Yamato with the same gimmicky Heavy and Quick mechanic but with Yamato just changing red or blue. It was fucking awful. All of that wasted potential.
It's not like it's a great series that just drops a bit in quality it's a complete reboot on the whole system and the way we play it! Which gets mixed up in all of the "It's a bad DMC Game but a Good Action Game" when really it's a good DIFFERENT DMC game. But I'm glad we're on the DMCV timeline. Different ingredients for similar outcomes but ultimately still very different
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The blue coat is vastly superior to the black one
I’ve waited 84 years
In game DMC3 design is the best, there shall be no debate over it.
DMC5 all the way! Vergil became my favorite because of this game
I won't stop asking for a King Dedede design video
Jason. I'll do it when you voice sonic again.
@@ArtistMarkFlynn One Day when Sega of America will response to my emails
I prefer how Vergil looks in DMC3. His model is perfect. And while black is my favorite color, often in DMC5, I switch between the black and the blue. However there is one game that I NEVER switch colors/costumes and that is DMC4. Vergil in the Vante colors is 100% his best look to me. I would even say he looks better in red than Dante.
The DmC Reboot is solid but I hated how we never got the clean look from the main campaign. My issue with DMC5 is that it dulls all the colors. DMC4 is vibrant and every attack looks amazing. I still boot up it up to enjoy the visuals and SFX. So for me in terms of design: DMC4 Vante>DMC3>DMC5>DmC.
Three things that always bother me with Vergil is:
One: both he's human and DT designs in DMC 4 are just high definition version of the ones in DmC 3. Why didn't they gave him original looks to serve as counterparts for Dante's?
Two: as of today the dmc reebot is the only game where Vergil has his own playable campaign. Why?
And three: I don't like the design for Vergil's DT form in DMC 5. The over the top jagged design simply doesn't fit his personality and style of fighting. It does fit with Dante's actual over the top personality and his show off nature and way of fighting put not Vergil's cool, cold and collected persona. In my opinion Vergil's final true demon form should have been more tonned down and look somewhere between Nero's DT design and Urizen's final form, but without all the extra eyes, all the horns and instead of Nero's angelic features, a callback to the order of Sparda, Vergil's could have some ethereal elements/features since in that game Vergil's attacks are visually complemented with ghost like ethereal effects.
You cant ignore that it still looked epic. DMC 5 doesnt only have an campaign for Vergil but a whole DLC too.
I wouldn’t say Virgil is a villain but more so an antagonist. Some of y’all gotta start adding that word into your analysis on characters
Thesauraus Jones over here
DMC4SE Vergil is the best design. It’s a good translation of his PS2 model. Granted, nah the 5 design is great, it’s just his model I don’t love. Maybe it’s the hair.
Dmc3 Vergil is peak antagonist. He’s just so cool.
so he has an E instead of an I because the E is supposed to stand for evil?
Fun fact: between the DMC3 and DMC5 designs, Vergil loses his black scarf. It is then revealed the Nero got the name "Nero", because he was found at the orphanage door, wrapped in a black scarf
That's incorrect thinking. First of all, Nero was wrapped in a black blanket, not a scarf. Second of all, and more importantly, Vergil had his scarf during DMC3, which takes place AFTER he visits Fortuna (which is where he got the woman pregnant), so it doesn't follow. To begin with, Vergil never even knew he had a son, so there's no chance he'd have left his scarf for him.
What scarf? Are you talking about the ascot tie?
Dime, viste el meme de una chica dibujada que se pone a llorar por ver el diseño de Vergil en el 3 y luego leer que a Nero lo encontraron solo y arropado con un paño negro? Por qué eso está tan equivocado.
The best Vergil depiction was in DMC2.
I will not elaborate, because my opinion is self-evident from this.
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Dmc4 is actually canon, but good video anywat
I think the design's choice for both of the reboot Dante and Vergil go in opposite ways, when you look at dante's design you see him as a rebellious person, when you look at vergil you see him as a mature but more of pro-authoritarian. They clash each other's design ideas I love it so much. Such a shame that the reboot sucked lol
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While I do think that overall Vergil's best design is dmc 5, I don't like how his dmc 5 design dropped that signature blue that he's known for wearing. Dante is supposed to be red, while Vergil is blue.
vergil is so popular that people created countless cheap knockoffs that fail to capture the motivation man's presence.
Examples? I'm interested...
@@ArtistMarkFlynn Alpha from PGR, several genshin girls, Sam from metal gear to name a few.
@@hunterxkiller8732 sam isnt an copy.
@@universalninja4146 That's ur opinion.
@@hunterxkiller8732 He really isn't, just because he's a katana-wielding lone wolf doesn't mean he's a copy of Vergil. He's one of those characters simply based off of Miyamoto Musashi.
Personally i'd say #1 DMC4 #2 DMC3 then #3 and so on any other with DMC Reboot that sucked balls at the very bottom
DMC3 looked good but I also like DMC5's look.
DmC Vergil looked more like a nazi I thought, with his slick back hair, black coat and armband. Also his hat looked more like the littlest cowboy hat - ala Kurt Angle - and it did NOT look good 😆
Best Kurt Angle era 😂
DMC5 sorry not sorry lol i think he looks his best there but that is my opinion of course
While I like 5's design, I have one problem with it : It's not blue. Dante, despite losing more and more red in each new iteration of his design, still reads as a character coded as "red" because he keeps the iconic coat. Vergil has been coded as blue since he appeared as himself, yet 5 decided to just shove him in all black.
They did however emphasise the blue in his attacks which is pretty cool!
@@ArtistMarkFlynn Can't disagree with that
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