Love to see Big L finally getting some love. LOTPAD is one of my favorite albums of all time and people have been mad sleeping on it. One of my favorite bars on Danger Zone is: "Jumped out the Lincoln, left him stinkin', put his brain in the streets and you could see what he was just thinking." A true wordsmith.
really glad I found this. You deliver your lines in a real professional and calm way that make the video just breeze by, you ain't forcing in jokes into your editing or script which makes the video seem way more personal and it's very clear you know your shit. I'm basically now going through all your videos to try and take in as much knowledge as I can. Keep up the good work, you're gonna get some good attention someday
I like ya style B, definitely like the nongeneric list, your 7 picks were quite good. Having El-P and MF Doom on there, that alone shows you are not some casual passerby to Hip Hop. One of my favorite songs, "Pigeon" by Cannibal Ox , (El-p production) was just recently introduced to me by my 14 year old son, I'm 38, and thought that I was well learned in all areas of the craft, so having my son show me something new that literally came out before he was born was pretty awesome.
I totally agree with Gravediggaz-6 feet deep. It's one of the greatest albums of all time imo. The production, mixing and atmosphere are just crazy. Great video. I think me and you have the same taste in music haha
The real introduction to punchline rap was Big L's mentor Lord Finesse in 1990 with his album Funky Technician Jay Z didn't freestyle The Black Album. He may have structured his verses in his head before recording instead of writing them down the way Biggie did, or Wayne or Conway does, but that's categorically different from coming up with your lyrics on the spot. If Jay really freestyled that whole album, he'd be considered the best freestyler on the planet. The blueprint for underground Hip Hop lyricism wasn't Doomsday, it was Funcrusher Plus. And when you think about it, there was way more music that sounded like that than Doomsday. You had Aesop Rock, the entire Anticon crew, Cannibal Ox, Non-Phixion, Mr. Lif, Jedi Mind Tricks all making albums with weird sci-fi references, off kilter fast flows (except for Cannibal Ox, who were much slower), much more battle-rap oriented lyrics, abstract lyricism, anti-corporate/pro-independent themes, etc. If anything Company Flow paved the way for DOOM by creating a trend for off-kilter, original and nerdy styles of rap and production. (And that's not a diss, I love nerd rap.) Don't get me wrong, DOOM has had a huge influence in Hip Hop from 2010 to 2020, but from 2000 to 2010 he didn't really influence any prominent rapper's style. I love that Gravediggaz album, but I really don't know why it's on here. I can't think of a single album with a clear Gravediggaz influence.
I remember being 15, rummaging through the hip hop section at F.Y.E, looking for an album cover to catch my eye and I stumbled upon Grave Diggaz. The aesthetic was dark in contrast to the other albums on the shelf, as were the contents inside, but not so much as to push the listener away. The production was clean, the lyrics were grimy and the overall sound was very abstract, especially for the year it was recorded in (which blew my mind). That album steered my ear towards alternative/ underground hip hop and that's where it's been ever since!
Very refreshing take. I would never hate on someone's opinion but it is tiring to see the same albums over and over again in this category, whether it's things like College Dropout, MBDTF, MMLP, The Chronic, Die Lit TPAB (which I love), Take Care. All these albums I'm sure are amazing in their own way but I love seeing a list with 6 Feet Deep, Fantastic Damage, Operation Doomsday, Paid in Full. For me it's such a rare thing to see. Great video.
I love this man. My only criticism would be to put little snipits of songs you speak about as examples. It helps people get a better feeling of the message you're trying to convey. Other than that, this video is perfect
Also link the album's in the description, or give timestamps of when you talk about them. It helps people go back and look em up without trying to search it in the video
Jay doesn't write down his rhymes, but that doesn't mean it's a "freestyle". he formulates the verse in his head, and spits it, but it's not just "off the top".
I like all your picks but if there's one I'd switch out it'd be The Black Album for The Blueprint. I think the Black Album is probably a better overall album than the Blueprint but the Blueprint was super influential sonically in pushing soul sampling to the forefront of Hip-Hop and providing the launch pad for Just Blaze and Kanye to become as big as they are. And you can even see how big it was by how much people reference it from Nicki's Pinkprint to Gucci's Burrprint. The Black Album was the perfect retirement/send-off album that nobody's really even come close to touching since but the Blueprint was influential in that it was how a rapper cemented their legacy as a possible GOAT without needing to get gunned down. Also Illmatic was influential in that it was one of the first albums to get a bunch of producers from different camps to come together and make a sonically cohesive album. Something that you'd also see the Blueprint replicate years later
I really vibe with the way you look st hip hop and rap as an art form. I always feel so alone when I analyze rap around friends. They make me feel like a nerd. Im subbing; keep up the work
Lord Finesse was known for punchlines before Big L and was a direct influence on him. Big L and Lord Finesse had a funny interaction where Big L wanted to rap for him and said if he thought it was wack he'd never bother him again, but Finesse was impressed and the rest is history. Black Album wasn't freestyled. Jay-Z has an amazing memory and can write songs in his head. He """wrote""" his Brooklyn's Finest verse in about 20 minutes, and this is what motivated Biggie to stop writing. The funny thing with El-P is he had three important projects he worked with: Company Flow, Fantastic Damage and Cold Vein. It is kind of difficult to pick which one is arguably more important because each were very important to their respective lanes. It must have been a nightmare choosing between FanDam and Funcrusher though.
Idk why i feel like your fan base will kill me for this but man on the moon is one of the most important and influential rap allbums of all time. btw great list
dope pick! i used to listen to that album all of the time kid cudi def one of the most influential acts that came from kanye. thank you for watching boss!
"She asked me for a ring so I put one around her whole eye" -Big L "Bitches don't even know me still asking for a dollar I wouldn't give you ten cents to put cheese on a whopper" -Big L Yeah he was the best to do punchline rap.
true you can replace freestyle with “wrote down the rhymes in his head” and i still think all my arguments stand such a good album a little too long but i think it’s one of lupes best
also jay z sucks, they are the most popular cats/ but i feel the true spirit of hip hop is this; its that controversial, you normally feel is unheard/ "hip hop is the voice of the unheard/ and that may shift, shit, you may find you be top someday/ but thats the spirit/ push the envelops with that rap/ its too important to let it all go to some corporate shit/
@@slimsreturn4990 At least you didn't try and outright down play the influence of other rap albums and instead just display 7 albums that were also important. Mad respect👍
Doomsday set the foundation to how underground lyricism would sound all over the 2010's im not saying madvillainy and mm food arent more influential than Doomsday but it deserves its recognition for how important it is. I also wanted to avoid already well known albums like the ones you mentioned these are by no means the 7 most important rap albums ever if that were the list illmatic and other basic choices would have made the list but I wanted to stray away from that
Love to see Big L finally getting some love. LOTPAD is one of my favorite albums of all time and people have been mad sleeping on it. One of my favorite bars on Danger Zone is: "Jumped out the Lincoln, left him stinkin', put his brain in the streets and you could see what he was just thinking." A true wordsmith.
I agree, kinda but Wu-Tang - 36 chambers should’ve been on here.
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Man I'm glad I found this channel. Even "real" Hip-Hop channels are largely full of pop crap.
i am here to provide non crap boss!!! thank you for watching you legend!!!
Bang on .. Rakim was like a Hovver Craft compared to the 80s style of rap
easily the most important MC ever
Lord Finesse came before Big L , even attributed as mentor to the style .. but Big L perfected it
word word
And DOOM is one of the GOATS buy before DOOM there was Kool Keith.
@@k-baye6292 Rhythm X? 😁 . Never realised til the other day but 'Super' is the precursor to Oh Boy by Camron
really glad I found this. You deliver your lines in a real professional and calm way that make the video just breeze by, you ain't forcing in jokes into your editing or script which makes the video seem way more personal and it's very clear you know your shit. I'm basically now going through all your videos to try and take in as much knowledge as I can. Keep up the good work, you're gonna get some good attention someday
wow man this made my day appreciate all the love you legend!!!
I like ya style B, definitely like the nongeneric list, your 7 picks were quite good. Having El-P and MF Doom on there, that alone shows you are not some casual passerby to Hip Hop. One of my favorite songs, "Pigeon" by Cannibal Ox , (El-p production) was just recently introduced to me by my 14 year old son, I'm 38, and thought that I was well learned in all areas of the craft, so having my son show me something new that literally came out before he was born was pretty awesome.
I really appreciate it boss! you got a good son there with some elite taste!!!
Thanks man. Keep doing this, you're good at it.
Lebogang Seleleko thanks for watching boss 👌🏽
I totally agree with Gravediggaz-6 feet deep. It's one of the greatest albums of all time imo. The production, mixing and atmosphere are just crazy.
Great video.
I think me and you have the same taste in music haha
i love to hear it boss you a man of taste!!! thank you for watching you legend!!
The real introduction to punchline rap was Big L's mentor Lord Finesse in 1990 with his album Funky Technician
Jay Z didn't freestyle The Black Album. He may have structured his verses in his head before recording instead of writing them down the way Biggie did, or Wayne or Conway does, but that's categorically different from coming up with your lyrics on the spot. If Jay really freestyled that whole album, he'd be considered the best freestyler on the planet.
The blueprint for underground Hip Hop lyricism wasn't Doomsday, it was Funcrusher Plus. And when you think about it, there was way more music that sounded like that than Doomsday. You had Aesop Rock, the entire Anticon crew, Cannibal Ox, Non-Phixion, Mr. Lif, Jedi Mind Tricks all making albums with weird sci-fi references, off kilter fast flows (except for Cannibal Ox, who were much slower), much more battle-rap oriented lyrics, abstract lyricism, anti-corporate/pro-independent themes, etc. If anything Company Flow paved the way for DOOM by creating a trend for off-kilter, original and nerdy styles of rap and production. (And that's not a diss, I love nerd rap.) Don't get me wrong, DOOM has had a huge influence in Hip Hop from 2010 to 2020, but from 2000 to 2010 he didn't really influence any prominent rapper's style.
I love that Gravediggaz album, but I really don't know why it's on here. I can't think of a single album with a clear Gravediggaz influence.
U could even say dr octagonecologyst or sex style before funcrusher plus
"Comparing yourself to me is like a Benz to Chevrolet." - Big L
I remember being 15, rummaging through the hip hop section at F.Y.E, looking for an album cover to catch my eye and I stumbled upon Grave Diggaz.
The aesthetic was dark in contrast to the other albums on the shelf, as were the contents inside, but not so much as to push the listener away.
The production was clean, the lyrics were grimy and the overall sound was very abstract, especially for the year it was recorded in (which blew my mind).
That album steered my ear towards alternative/ underground hip hop and that's where it's been ever since!
Very refreshing take. I would never hate on someone's opinion but it is tiring to see the same albums over and over again in this category, whether it's things like College Dropout, MBDTF, MMLP, The Chronic, Die Lit TPAB (which I love), Take Care. All these albums I'm sure are amazing in their own way but I love seeing a list with 6 Feet Deep, Fantastic Damage, Operation Doomsday, Paid in Full. For me it's such a rare thing to see. Great video.
thank you for watching boss i appreciate you!!😎
I love this man. My only criticism would be to put little snipits of songs you speak about as examples. It helps people get a better feeling of the message you're trying to convey. Other than that, this video is perfect
Also link the album's in the description, or give timestamps of when you talk about them. It helps people go back and look em up without trying to search it in the video
appreciate the constructive criticism it helps a lot!! thank you for watching boss!!!
That's extra hassle. People on TH-cam already, they can search for the album
Straight up facts when u were comparing L to Wayne. Glad I found this channel I gotta lot more videos to watch👌
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hey man you make some really good content
doggo thank you really appreciate you watching you legend😎
Jay doesn't write down his rhymes, but that doesn't mean it's a "freestyle". he formulates the verse in his head, and spits it, but it's not just "off the top".
@@DFGHJKL1995 what definition of "freestyle" describes what Jay does?
I like all your picks but if there's one I'd switch out it'd be The Black Album for The Blueprint. I think the Black Album is probably a better overall album than the Blueprint but the Blueprint was super influential sonically in pushing soul sampling to the forefront of Hip-Hop and providing the launch pad for Just Blaze and Kanye to become as big as they are. And you can even see how big it was by how much people reference it from Nicki's Pinkprint to Gucci's Burrprint. The Black Album was the perfect retirement/send-off album that nobody's really even come close to touching since but the Blueprint was influential in that it was how a rapper cemented their legacy as a possible GOAT without needing to get gunned down. Also Illmatic was influential in that it was one of the first albums to get a bunch of producers from different camps to come together and make a sonically cohesive album. Something that you'd also see the Blueprint replicate years later
Yo, you are straight up on point on a lot of these albums!! Fantastic Damage, Lifestyle Of The Poor And Dangerous, Operation Doomsday...
I really vibe with the way you look st hip hop and rap as an art form. I always feel so alone when I analyze rap around friends. They make me feel like a nerd.
Im subbing; keep up the work
appreciate you watching and all of the insight boss😎😎
Thank you for the video and an original list, I was expecting basic shit I seen from everyone else.
thanks for watching boss you a legend!!!
I think the best modern punchline rapper is Nickelus F, especially on trick dice
Yeah! 6 Deep Feet is the pioneer of Horrorcore
Edit: Curious I just got yesterday, I Think TH-cam is spying or something
Nice one, though I would of slipped Kool kieths Doctor Octagon for sure
Lord Finesse was known for punchlines before Big L and was a direct influence on him. Big L and Lord Finesse had a funny interaction where Big L wanted to rap for him and said if he thought it was wack he'd never bother him again, but Finesse was impressed and the rest is history.
Black Album wasn't freestyled. Jay-Z has an amazing memory and can write songs in his head. He """wrote""" his Brooklyn's Finest verse in about 20 minutes, and this is what motivated Biggie to stop writing.
The funny thing with El-P is he had three important projects he worked with: Company Flow, Fantastic Damage and Cold Vein. It is kind of difficult to pick which one is arguably more important because each were very important to their respective lanes. It must have been a nightmare choosing between FanDam and Funcrusher though.
But let's not forget Biggie was the master of Freestyle album cuts before Jay Z.
Great video! What do you think about The Extinction Agenda by Organized Konfusion and it’s influence?
I really enjoyed this video! Thanks from Japan 🇯🇵
no thank YOU you legend!!!
Great video. I was waiting for you to mention that Jay Z actually featured on lifestylez!
thank you for watching you legend!!!
This list was very well thought out.
appreciate all the love boss
@@slimsreturn4990 Keep up the good work, bro
Damn no illmatic. Immediate dislike. Nah just playing good list though
saberfangwolf7 illmatic would have been too easy😤
@@slimsreturn4990 understandable lmao
not to sound weird but the way u talked and said shit was good imma sub
really appreciate you watching boss it means a lot !😎
Paid in Full is absolutely the best choice as the most important album ever in hip hop.
incredible album
Great video, but I can't believe that there's no kool keith on here! His doc oc album is on another level!!
that album is dope as fuck!! thank you for watching boss!!!
So nice to see some Lifestylez on here. I think the reason punchlines faded away is cos NO ONE can do it like Big L, he was truly the god
20 years later and still nobody can do it like him
can definitely agree on EL-P and Co flow
Awesome video. I found tons of great new tracks from this. Boutta dive into your whole channel
appreciate you watching brother!!! enjoy the music!!!
Already knew by the Madlib name that this channel gonna have some heat
John Rodriguez you got good taste😎 thank you for watching you legend !!
Great video. Found so many awesome new track from this
Great content, keep going man! sub earned 👍🏽👍🏽
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Idk why i feel like your fan base will kill me for this but man on the moon is one of the most important and influential rap allbums of all time. btw great list
dope pick! i used to listen to that album all of the time kid cudi def one of the most influential acts that came from kanye. thank you for watching boss!
An outkast album is missing from the list also De la Soul or ATCQ, cypress hill or Kid Frost for the Hispanic hip hop scene
I'd make the case for Marcberg and really any of Sean Price's albums, they influenced a whole wave in the underground that are felt today
all of those are great picks!! thank you for watching boss!!!
Paid in Full is a good argument for most important rap album, but it’s got to be Nation of Millions IMO.
dope fucking pick that album def influenced El P a lot and influenced a whole lot of underground sounds thank you for watching boss!!!
I’m an Australian and one of our biggest up and comers Chillinit, is a punchline rapper
im gonna have to check him out now. Thank you for watching boss!!!
Aussie rap stinks,
Great video.
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This is dope man!!
YOU are dope man!!! thank you for watching !!!
We would never be chopping without slick rick
THE RULER
He's a legend
Where’s the love for Memphis?
They knew where to stay;) jk
Brotha lynch hung- season of the sicc??
Chronic and the NWA album need to be on this
Jay always claimed he freestyled every verse he ever recorded
"She asked me for a ring so I put one around her whole eye" -Big L
"Bitches don't even know me still asking for a dollar
I wouldn't give you ten cents to put cheese on a whopper" -Big L
Yeah he was the best to do punchline rap.
Subbed
you are a legend !!😎😎
Esham started the wicket shit
He didn't freestyle the album. Pay attention to the fade to black documentaries.
Also Drogas Wave is so underrated album in a very long time.
true you can replace freestyle with “wrote down the rhymes in his head” and i still think all my arguments stand
such a good album a little too long but i think it’s one of lupes best
You forgot run dmc raising hell
Fantastic damage is a G.O.A.T album
the GOAT album!! thank you for watching legend!
Fire.
you are fire!!
I think wayne was more of a wordplay rapper than a punch rapper tbh
interesting..
i feel i can rap a puncline. peroid. even when i freestyle which im not super good at anymore, the "lunchline" since big daddy means the lines done/9
lil wayne aint got shit on me/
also jay z sucks, they are the most popular cats/ but i feel the true spirit of hip hop is this; its that controversial, you normally feel is unheard/ "hip hop is the voice of the unheard/ and that may shift, shit, you may find you be top someday/ but thats the spirit/ push the envelops with that rap/ its too important to let it all go to some corporate shit/
When can you listen to 6 feet deep I cant find it on spotify in the uk?
damn is it on youtube over there?? thats real strange
6 feet under
I talk spanish xD and really like rap music, but why wutang its such important? :,v i dont understand
Damn....No Criminal Minded or Str8 Outta Compton?????
yes
Nice list though. Not everyone's favorite make the list. Props on the 6th Feet Deep🍺🍺
@@slimsreturn4990 At least you didn't try and outright down play the influence of other rap albums and instead just display 7 albums that were also important. Mad respect👍
Busta Rhymes- The Coming
this is a damn good list. but how is operation doomsday more influential than madvillainy and mm.. food tho?
Doomsday set the foundation to how underground lyricism would sound all over the 2010's im not saying madvillainy and mm food arent more influential than Doomsday but it deserves its recognition for how important it is. I also wanted to avoid already well known albums like the ones you mentioned these are by no means the 7 most important rap albums ever if that were the list illmatic and other basic choices would have made the list but I wanted to stray away from that
@@slimsreturn4990 fair enough I understand, thanks for the reply!
When a list STARTS with Gravediggaz, you know you’re in for a good time.
a man of taste😎 thank you for watching legend!!
36 chambers should've been on this list.
Mono wanted to mention some albums that are a little more under the radar thank you for watching tho boss!!
liked at big L
big W thank you for watching legend!!!
Jay z has been freestyling his whole career, I say cut the black album and add blueprint, this is coming from a true Jay fan
Bro didn’t even put mystic styles smh
Lucian Koh smh
Big L is waaaaay better than Wayne, not a hot take, raw lyrics.
agreed
You lost me at Lil Wayne.
Big Daddy Kane was better than Rakim, IMO
Elp overrated cuhh..
Corny even...