Uuh, actually, bees are not bugs. They're certainly insects, but they aren't related to bugs order (hemiptera), and actually belong to the hymenoptera, alongside with wasps, sawflies and ants ☝️🤓
@@SvanTowerMan recreational intoxication is not the type of thing you want to have in your children's game, especially with how paranoid and hysterical parents are these days
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt You can literally terrorize villagers, burn down their houses, and spawn them into death pits of burning lava. Are you suggesting we remove villagers or lava?
ok, so this legit just makes me feel more like they were just bullshitting us with the whole "poison to frogs" thing with the fireflies, I think they just didn't want to bother with making it
@@darkmatter9643 then just say that, its far easier to believe and accept that they would be too much of a performance impact and thus where left out, just stating the truth works much better then giving a shit excuse.
yeah thats basically the argument for fireflies just dont implement the frog eating behavior. i think mojang just wants to be stubborn on this fact despite fireflies being like the easiest thing to do since all they have to do is just fly around.
The best way I've heard for fireflies to be implemented and is also how add-ons and mods add them, is to just make them a partial effect that appears at night. That's really all we're asking for and wouldn't be hard to do, I'm also sure one dev could add it in an afternoon as it would have no effects on anything else in the game
technically, bees wouldnt even give eye blossoms a glance. don't they enjoy bright colors just like humming birds because they know only flowers can be that vibrant? or have i been lied to my entire life lol
I still can't get over the fireflies being canned outright instead of making it so frogs just... don't... eat them. It's been done to death, I know, but I just... I just can't wrap my head around it.
Imo the frog excuse was just a PR way to try to get out of it. It's much more likely that the mobs as a particle would take more work than expected or drop performance and they decided to cut it. Any moving light source (aka glow squid) seems as a no go for them.
I think they were irrationally scared that someone would try feeding a frog a firefly irl after seeing it in minecraft, but eyeblossoms are fictional so that wouldnt happen irl it's stupid, but I can see the thought process behind it
1:56 I'm not sure exactly how Minecraft's pathfinding works, but you technically were placing the bee in a way that the closest target would be the poisonous option.
They also let axolotls survive outside of water, which is just not a thing they can do. They are meant to ALWAYS be in water, and the fact nobody is talking about it is concerning.
Taking coral out of water to get new building blocks (good looking at that), hatching chicken eggs by throwing them at a wall, cats dropping string to craft bows and fishing rods, stealing turtle eggs to hatch them yourself etc.
@@rafael_lana yeah, but the difference is.. example 2 is unlikely to actually kill a chick irl, most people dont come accross live eggs every day, same with example 4, and.. if you kill a real cat to get some string--uh, i think thats beyond minecraft
Axolotl’s actually have lungs in addition to gills. So while they can’t live on land, they are said to be able to survive more than half an hour out of water. So Minecraft allowing axolotl’s to survive 5 minutes out of water isn’t really an inaccuracy.
@@CheeseDanishMysteriousness string made out of animal parts was very common for millenia, used in all kind of applications including archery. It's nicknamed catgut, although using cats for it is apparently a myth. Don't ask me where I learned it, the internet is a weird place
I think the bees go to whatever flower is closest when you spawn them in. When you spawn a bee on a block that's in line with the eye blossom, it goes to the eye blossom, and the same is true for dandelions or any other flower.
Except it was microsoft's decision to remove fireflies, because microsoft is obsessed with looking environmentally conscious and mojang never did anything like this before they were bought by microsoft.
@@DanielPereira-ey9ntIf that's the point, I think it would be better to have bees avoid them, similar to how in real life you can tell if berries are healthy by whether you see birds eating them
Wait...Bees multiply if you feed them Wither roses without getting damaged, yet they get the Withered effect when touching/pollinating it. Is it the same with this new rose? Test this, Phoenix. Now.
"Let's not encourage kids to do harmful things in the real world" the average minecraft player bulding a labor camp within 10 hours of starting a new world:
Removing fireflies was an opportunity for microsoft to appear environmentally conscious. The more headlines it generated, the better for microsoft. They could do this easily because they could use mojang as a human shield to absorb all the backlash from the players. They thought we were too stupid to attack the puppetmaster, and they were correct. Now millions of people think Mojang, the makers of the world's most successful game, can't code fast particles, even though they've already done it with spore blossoms.
To quote TheXP905… “That's not a fair comparison. Everything dies to wither roses. This is an interaction exclusive to bees, where they poison themselves because this flower is bad for them. Which is the same analogy to frogs and fireflies.”
Do people actually not get that it never was about not harming frogs in game? It was about not doing something because it works in the game that will poison an animal IRL. IF you try to feed a frog a firefly IRL it will be poisonous to them but you dont assume that because it was planned that they just cassually eat them without harm. Good luck trying to feed a bee anything no risk there. Also its literally poisomous in game if the fireflies would have been poisonous ingame they wouldnt have been a proplem either.
That's not a fair comparison. Everything dies to wither roses. This is an interaction exclusive to bees, where they poison themselves because this flower is bad for them. Which is the same analogy to frogs and fireflies.
@@thexp905Tbf consuming eyeblossom flowers through suspicious stew will give negative effects to the player. It's just nausea and blindness instead of poison though.
I hate how Mojang refuses to add things because of completely arbitrary reasons like "oh it could hurt X" or "it could make people think Y" as if some things aren't simply a fact of reality or something they can work around. Not adding fireflies because they're poisonous to frogs makes no sense, that's just how it works in real life, it's literally nothing but educational in the grand scheme of things and if anything doesn't have to be implemented, they can just add fireflies and make frogs not eat them. They also like to say that adding some things like sharks isn't on the table because they're endangered and adding them would somehow make that worse or something? You could argue that anything dangerous or harmful in the game makes the real-life analog worse by encouraging people to do it, so I don't really see why that argument applies to sharks (and NOT polar bears for some reason). It just really annoys me that they say this kind of stuff instead of just outright saying what they probably want to say, which is something along the lines of "we don't want to add this (yet)".
It's probably not the reason, just the PR trying to cover for the real one. Firefly would have some kind of light and particle effect, both of which Mojang had much trouble in the past due to performance on low end hardware. We can literally mine an entire coral reef to build a house out of their dead bodies.
They won’t add sharks because sharks already have a really bad reputation and they don’t want to add fuel to the fire. That is completely reasonable and it’s annoying that people like you are being intentionally obtuse about their reasoning because you don’t care what happens to real life sharks. Or maybe you’re just stupid and don’t understand the nuances.
@@oliverplougmand2275 I mean look what happened after jaws was released. Granted, it was mostly people who didn’t live by the coast/ocean who freaked out, but it was a panic indeed. Hell, we’re still trying to undo the damage.
This is a lot simpler than people make it out to be. The frog/fireflies things was mainly because there was a small chance frogs would get fed poisonous bugs and that would be harmful. Bees getting hurt from a made-up type of flower is something that only happens in game. I am sure there are flowers out there that might have some adverse affect on the creatures, but they bear no resemblance to the minecraft flowers most likely. The firefly situation was that their only purpose in the game for the most part has a negative affect in the real world.
EDIT: I'm not saying it's smart I'm saying it's the internal reasoning Ok, let's clear this up: Mojang were going to use Fireflies to breed Frogs. They did not as some can poison Frogs. That is different from a Fantasy Plant having toxic pollen that the player doesn't feed Bees. You cannot feed Eyeblossoms to Bees to breed them.
Yeah, I really do think that's the entire bit. It's not that Mojang doesn't want you hurting in-game animals, it's that they don't want to promote the player doing something in-game that is actually harmful in real life. Now, there's a fair argument to be had about how realistic of a problem that is (and whether that's a problem with their portrayal or a problem with people doing things they see in a video game), but it seems like that's the motivation.
It's pretty strange. The player is able to safely consume a mushroom that is made to resemble the extremely toxic Amanita Muscaria mushroom, you hatch chickens by throwing their fertilized eggs at walls, there's incentive for players to steal turtle eggs, yet having fireflies and frogs in the same game is a step too far? Couldn't they just add the fireflies and not let the frogs eat them, or do something like with parrots where eating fireflies actually harms them?
@@bacon-DoomSumoalso taking coral out of water to get new colors. The frog x firefly debacle was just a poor attempt in making a PR statement to justify something they decided to cut for other reasons. Probably related to the lighting aspect, any moving source of light seems to be very heavy on performance
Without being frog food (read: without being the mechanism for obtaining froglights), fireflies served no function. And Mahyong doesn't want to add another pointless mob to compete with the bat.
@@Vinni-2K i think they removed the firefly because its original purpose was to be food for the frog, and once that was out of the picture, they decided there was no point (even though its aesthetic is arguably a use)
@@Living_Murphys_Law BetterEnd has a really great example of an atmospheric particle that works exactly like this. It's one of the subtle touches I love about the mod.
Look lets be real, fireflies have been unrealistic from the start... Have you ever spawned 80 mobs in one area ? Have you seen the lag this causes ? And i dont play on mobile but can you imagine a mobile system handling that? This is exactly what adding fireflies would do, it would be too much hustle to code and implement them without causing lag that its absolutely not worth it for a simple ambience mob so they used up the poison to frogs as an excuse and it backfired hard, they could have come out and be honest saying "its too much to code and there are too many issues we ran into and too much lag so we are not adding them" and (the actual sensible part of the community) would fully understand them As for bees getting poisoned, im personally ok with that makes the pale garden more creepy and is just a unique little interaction to accidentally diacover, just imagine going into your garden and going like "huh why are my bees poisoned randomly" only to see a bee much later get poisoned by this flower, its part of the sense of discovery and i dont see any issue with it
Mojang and the firefliers are both being ridiculous. Here’s how we get around it. There’s a native insect to the swamp called [insert bug name]. It glows at night and even sparkles in the daylight! Frogs love the eat these sweet and crunchy delicacies, and so can you! Catch them, cook them, or even use them to make glow ink OR the exciting new sparkle varnish! Add pizazz to any frame by making it sparkle! Use the new Net tool to catch the [insert bug name] in your local swamp or lure them to you with a bit of resin! Cook them in a furnace or smoker for a crunchy low level food fix. Apply sparkle varnish to frames and select items like you would apply glow ink to text. 1 bug = 1 glow guts + 1 sparkle shells. 1 glow guts + 1 black ink sac = 1 glow ink. 1 sparkle shell + 1 resin = 1 sparkle varnish. 1 cooked bug = 1 [edible bug name]. Now everything can eat it w no poison worries, and you can add several potentially low effort additions to them game while also accommodating the fans’ very strong desire for a firefly type bug. TLDR; add a lore friendly glowing bug the frogs could eat and appease the firefly committees.
Do people actually not get that it never was about not harming frogs in game? It was about not doing something because it works in the game that will poison an animal IRL. IF you try to feed a frog a firefly IRL it will be poisonous to them but you dont assume that because it was planned that they just cassually eat them without harm. Good luck trying to feed a bee anything no risk there. Also its literally poisomous in game if the fireflies would have been poisonous ingame they wouldnt have been a proplem either.
You don't get it either, it was probably never related to frogs to begin with. They brainstormed and revealed a possible feature, when trying to code it encountered some obstacle and had to make a PR excuse to get out of it. For example, you can IRL take vibrant coral out of the water and watch it die and harden. It's in the game as a feature, resulting in good looking blocks at that. You can breed sea pickles by feeding them salmon bones, IRL just touching them is often enough to kill.
@@rafael_lanaYeah, before they were officially removed from the update it was said that they were having trouble preventing lag due to the amount of entities
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I feel like the situation wouldn't be at bad if the flower instead poisoned (or give some sort of other negative potion effect) to several different kinds of mobs, rather than just targeting bees. Like maybe it can only harm non monster mobs, or can only harm stuff that's living/an "animal", but not harm stuff like undead or creatures that are made of a planet like materals, like zombies, skeletons, the creaking, and perhaps creepers Edit: plus there's no benefit of poisoning bees anyways, I'm pretty sure they only drop xp not a lot either (and it doesn't even end them to begin with, you would still have to damage them yourself)
There actually are types of flowers that are poisonous to bees in real life, like certain types of Rhododendron that, when used exclusively for nectar, can result in toxic honey. Since you have to go out of your way to make bees interact with the new flower, maybe it's mojang's way of teaching players to be careful of which flowers they use.
@@Gengengalixy you’ve made this comment multiple times and I genuinely fail to see the point of it. They die because it’s not good for them, telling the audience that it’s not good for them and to not feed them cookies.
The shark thing is often forgotten I'm happy people besides me remember it 😂 in the same update where you can kill coral to get amazing gray scale blocks btw
I think the issue with fireflies was that they were initially advertised as something the frogs eat but because of the correction (and the criticism over them being 2 pixels) they decided it wasn't worth implementing them. I think they were intended to be frog food and since that wasn't right they decided against. this time they're advertising out the gate this thing hurts a mob when injested and that's a key feature to it. the firefly thing likely started this idea.
Now (if they make a statement) they will probably say something like "Oh our advertisement was about feeding the frogs the fireflies and it is players doing this but here the bees are actually doing it themselves."
I want Mojang to add giant beehive structures to match the large size of the bees. You'd be able to harvest honey directly, and they'd add a new honeycomb block that covers the interior wall of beehives.
I think the reason the bees went to the eyeblossom was because you placed it slightly closer to it, but when you spawned the bee to the right of the normal spot, it went to the dandelion.
i think the reason fireflies were removed was because the *only* reason they were gonna add them in the first place was to have something for frogs to eat. since frogs cant eat them irl, they just decided to scrap the idea
The bees are very obviously going to the closest flower, rather than seeking out a specific one. Poison is 4 blocks away, dandelion is 5 (or slightly more than 4, don't know if their AI uses diagonals).
Maybe it goes towards the eye blossom because you made it spawn directly looking at the eye blossom. Maybe you could put the bee in between the flowers and make it not look at either of them. Idk, just something I noticed edit: so, I did a test, and it seemed to be random... ish? most of them went towards the dandelion and the ones who didn't almost instantly switch. I'm not sure how to describe it, but here's a visual representation of what I did: B = where I spawned the bees, H = hive, D = dandelion, E = eye blossom, and O are blocks (glass) OOOOOOO OE DO O O O B O O H O OOOOOOO also, bees don't take damage when on peaceful mode! idk why but they don't just things I noticed
as a big fan of bees, I'm officially angered they're already starting to go endangered when they shouldn't be, wasps are the real problem mojang for the love of god what did they do to you to cause this
From my observation, why the bees sometimes choose the blossom over the flower is because when you spawn them they seem to go to the closest one. So they stay on the same lane as the flower and their initial spawn point. I think the only way to optimally compare how often they go to the blossom or flower is by observing them when they exit their beehive, I guess?
Where you were spawning the bee had a direct influence on which flower it went to. Look at where you spawned them relative to the flowers - the bees you spawned in the same 'line' from you to the blossom went to that flower, the bees spawned in the same 'line' between you and the dandelion went to the dandelion.
For those wondering: the reason the bees went for the poisonous flower is because its the closest to them, which is why after going to the hive and coning back for more, it went to the yellow flower, not because they learned, but because its the closest
The newly spawned bee just goes to the closest flower along the x or z axis. From the video it looks like whatever block you spawn the bee on, is whatver flower it picks, if it lines up with it in the same axis.
I think the blatant unsafe thing Minecraft has is the fact you can straight up eat a most often poisonous mushroom. If they're so worried about safety, then aren't they worried some kids are gonna eat the mushroom if they see it.
Main reason behind the bees getting poisoned is the lore side of things in the game, the eyeblossom sucks the souls out of bees and the creaking heart likely sucks the life out of the environment (evidenced by passive mobs not spawning in the pale garden)
I still don’t get why mojang, instead of just making frogs not eat the fireflies, they decided to just remove them. Like, I’m still upset to this day that fireflies aren’t in the game.
Replied to a lot of similar comments, but it was never about the frogs. Mojang had much trouble with particles and lighting effects in the past and probably saw early on implementation that fireflies would be disappointing/hard to make, and PR had to make an excuse for the reason. You can literally mine an entire coral reef and place it outside of water for decoration, feed sea pickles salmon bones or hatch a chicken by throwing an egg at a wall. All of that children could replicate.
i think something ppl might not realize about fireflies is that they won't emit light in game. mojang probably implemented them internally, noticed it looked off because of them not emitting any light because of technical limitations of the engine, and decided not to add them in. this is a theory obviously, but i'd believe it
More and more it feels like it would make more sense to simply have unique mobs instead of real life ones, then they aren't affected by perception attached to real life mobs. Of course it's far too late for that, but I absolutely love that we are getting more weird mobs like the Creaking which let them do whatever they want for the sake of the game.
For fireflys and frogs the solution is simple. If you feed a frog a firefly the frog takes poison damage. Hey also If you feed a parrot a cookie the parrot takes poison damage. Should we ban the use of swords on mobs just because a kid could use a sword on a parrot in real life? No. If regular poison damage is too strong (lowering to half a heart), maybe Mojang should consider adding a new type of poison that caps damage to a different minimum number of hearts, like 5 hearts for example.
I swear I had a dream about these new Minecraft flowers. Back in Covid, I had a dream the moon was getting closer to Earth and everyone was panicking, and the news said it was because of these flowers, that had a yellow middle and white, long petals, that lost a staring contest with the moon. And influencers around the world were singing songs about the flower, begging them to look up to stop the moon from destroying Earth.
2:38 phoenix, those are several bugs
I mean he is not wrong
Uuh, actually, bees are not bugs. They're certainly insects, but they aren't related to bugs order (hemiptera), and actually belong to the hymenoptera, alongside with wasps, sawflies and ants ☝️🤓
Insects bite, bugs suck. Bees are insects. Butterflies are bugs.
beach buggy racing
I heard dolphins like to poison themselves in tiny amounts which is essentially doing drugs. I think bees in minecraft might also like drugs.
In-game dolphins should intentionally inflate pufferfish and play soccer with them.
@@SvanTowerManI think they actually do annoy pufferfish ingame.
@@SvanTowerMan recreational intoxication is not the type of thing you want to have in your children's game, especially with how paranoid and hysterical parents are these days
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt You can literally terrorize villagers, burn down their houses, and spawn them into death pits of burning lava. Are you suggesting we remove villagers or lava?
@@SvanTowerMan mining placing and hitting.
ok, so this legit just makes me feel more like they were just bullshitting us with the whole "poison to frogs" thing with the fireflies, I think they just didn't want to bother with making it
seems more likely that there just wasn't a good use for them, and they just either filled the mob cap or caused lag
I don't get why they didn't just make fireflies a particle effect like rain ☠️
@@darkmatter9643 then just say that, its far easier to believe and accept that they would be too much of a performance impact and thus where left out, just stating the truth works much better then giving a shit excuse.
Oh, the "poisonous to frogs" reason is definitely a PR stunt. And a bad one too.
@@PhoenixSC And it was _microsoft's_ PR stunt. Mojang never did anything like this before it was bought by microsoft.
Harming frogs ❌
Harming bees ✔️
Emergency frog situation!❓‼️⁉️
Bees
@@Auroral_Anomaly A Matt Rose fan here?
i can imagine drake in that meme
Harming bees and parrots*
Like why couldn't they make frogs NOT eat fireflies, but still have them for ambience?
yeah thats basically the argument for fireflies
just dont implement the frog eating behavior.
i think mojang just wants to be stubborn on this fact despite fireflies being like the easiest thing to do since all they have to do is just fly around.
Mojang actually doesn't know how to implement fireflies so they came up with an excuse not to.
Hope that cleared things up!
@@sandwichboy1268no way man seriously??
Because that requires critical thinking and Mojang ain’t about that
The best way I've heard for fireflies to be implemented and is also how add-ons and mods add them, is to just make them a partial effect that appears at night. That's really all we're asking for and wouldn't be hard to do, I'm also sure one dev could add it in an afternoon as it would have no effects on anything else in the game
"To discourage children from feeding orange eyeball flowers to bees, we have decided to remove bees"
-Mojang
so busy bees is now busy employees update
As a 6 year old child myself, I tried to feed a square meter of lava to my pet frog.
Frog legs tonight.
@@shadydaemon4178 Nice and crispy!
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast XD
Why isn't the frog making froglights after I fed it burning coal? Idk...
@@navarog378 well duh, because that's coal, not a cube of living magma!
They should just make the bees be scared of Eye Blossoms
That would be cool, weird to implement but useful
or maybe make it so bees will only interact with the flowers a few times and then avoid it because it harms them
I mean, the AI is already implemented in Nether mobs, so why not.
technically, bees wouldnt even give eye blossoms a glance. don't they enjoy bright colors just like humming birds because they know only flowers can be that vibrant? or have i been lied to my entire life lol
Or make them blind when trying to interact with the eyeblossom, making them speedily fly around and smash head-first into a tree, killing it.
I still can't get over the fireflies being canned outright instead of making it so frogs just... don't... eat them. It's been done to death, I know, but I just... I just can't wrap my head around it.
Imo the frog excuse was just a PR way to try to get out of it. It's much more likely that the mobs as a particle would take more work than expected or drop performance and they decided to cut it. Any moving light source (aka glow squid) seems as a no go for them.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was just one person who suggested the change too, the rational frustrates me so much lol
Feeding parrots cookies kills them
@@shadydaemon4178IRL chocolate can too
@ I know, it can also do the same to dogs and cats.
they don’t wanna harm frogs but they will harm bees, hypocrites
I think they were irrationally scared that someone would try feeding a frog a firefly irl after seeing it in minecraft, but eyeblossoms are fictional so that wouldnt happen irl
it's stupid, but I can see the thought process behind it
Yea
@@sleepdeprivedcactusare cookies fictional because they poison parrots in the game
Just call them waterflies instead and change the color of the pixels a bit :)
@@sleepdeprivedcactus You can feed parrots cookies, which instantly kills them.
1:56 I'm not sure exactly how Minecraft's pathfinding works, but you technically were placing the bee in a way that the closest target would be the poisonous option.
Yeah exactly
And when it comes out of the hive it goes to the closer, non poisonous flower
Was looking for this comment 2:05
@@jacksonmcneil6089 3:22, 4:01, they go for the eyeblossom on their own accord
2 pixels ❌️
A flower that poisons bees ✅️
Something tells me mojang hates bees
Seems like it lol
maybe they just hate insects and the discrepancy of having a giant bee and then a mere 2 pixels worth of fly
@ChiliCheeseNuggies jeez, apparently they took game bugs too far
Eyeblossoms are fictional, Fireflies are not.
They also let axolotls survive outside of water, which is just not a thing they can do. They are meant to ALWAYS be in water, and the fact nobody is talking about it is concerning.
Taking coral out of water to get new building blocks (good looking at that), hatching chicken eggs by throwing them at a wall, cats dropping string to craft bows and fishing rods, stealing turtle eggs to hatch them yourself etc.
@@rafael_lanaDear god I can’t believe I overlooked all this
@@rafael_lana yeah, but the difference is.. example 2 is unlikely to actually kill a chick irl, most people dont come accross live eggs every day, same with example 4, and.. if you kill a real cat to get some string--uh, i think thats beyond minecraft
Axolotl’s actually have lungs in addition to gills. So while they can’t live on land, they are said to be able to survive more than half an hour out of water.
So Minecraft allowing axolotl’s to survive 5 minutes out of water isn’t really an inaccuracy.
@@CheeseDanishMysteriousness string made out of animal parts was very common for millenia, used in all kind of applications including archery. It's nicknamed catgut, although using cats for it is apparently a myth. Don't ask me where I learned it, the internet is a weird place
"this is not a bug" he says while staring at several bees
Actually bees are *insects.*
Erm actually ☝️🤓
he's right, it's not a bug
they're bugs
I think the bees go to whatever flower is closest when you spawn them in. When you spawn a bee on a block that's in line with the eye blossom, it goes to the eye blossom, and the same is true for dandelions or any other flower.
Yeah I was waiting for him to spawn a bee on the block in line with the dandelion, but he never did
yup, almost certainly. Just pathfinding things
Minecraft 1.15 : The bees update
Next update : The diees update
1.15: The bee update
1.22: The was update
the deez update
@@rigboy1234wzzzzzzzzzzz
the pee update
diees nutz
Mojang: "nO wE cAn'T aDd FiReFlYs As ThEy ArE pOiS0nOus To FrOgS"
Also Mojang: "hehe bee killing flower goes brrrrrr"
Killing parrots with chocolate cookies: “Get in line”
Except it was microsoft's decision to remove fireflies, because microsoft is obsessed with looking environmentally conscious and mojang never did anything like this before they were bought by microsoft.
Id like to imagine that the eyeblossom produces a addictive yet poisonus sustance that bees can't stop consuming.
Imagine if the eyeblossoms looked like KFC... that was a fun meme.
I think it's intentional to show the player how they are dangerous
@@DanielPereira-ey9ntIf that's the point, I think it would be better to have bees avoid them, similar to how in real life you can tell if berries are healthy by whether you see birds eating them
Fent
Dolphins with puffer fish be like
Wait...Bees multiply if you feed them Wither roses without getting damaged, yet they get the Withered effect when touching/pollinating it. Is it the same with this new rose?
Test this, Phoenix. Now.
Didn't expect timestamp guy in Peenix' comment section. *tips fedora*
Bees get damaged when you feed them wither roses in the snapshot
"Let's not encourage kids to do harmful things in the real world"
the average minecraft player bulding a labor camp within 10 hours of starting a new world:
mojang: fireflies are poisonous for frogs!!!!
also mojang:
He quite literally explained the reason in the video
Oh you commented before watching
@MCAbdo no i did watch but it's a joke
@@NoenD_io there's no way to tell because there are people who say things like this seriously and they are not uncommon
*microsoft
Mojang never did anything like the firefly incident before they were bought by microsoft.
Barry B. Benson watching this:
👁️👄👁️
And bob T. Builder
The eyeblossoms do not like jazz
they had enough of the "we don't want to hurt mobs" allegations
And yet wolves are still out there to slaughter any sheep in sight
@@xenon7178 ever heard of the food chain?
@@MansurBohra Fair enough
I still don't understand why they didn't just make it so frogs don't eat fireflies instead of removing them.
Removing fireflies was an opportunity for microsoft to appear environmentally conscious. The more headlines it generated, the better for microsoft.
They could do this easily because they could use mojang as a human shield to absorb all the backlash from the players. They thought we were too stupid to attack the puppetmaster, and they were correct. Now millions of people think Mojang, the makers of the world's most successful game, can't code fast particles, even though they've already done it with spore blossoms.
@@teslainvestah5003They’re mobs, not particles
It’s possible that the real reason was because of lag from the amount of entities, idk why they would cover it up
You would still be complaining if they did. We all know that you don’t give a damn about the fireflies, you just don’t like environmental messaging.
@oliverplougmand2275 Yeah, that's exactly it. You figured me all out from one comment expressing confusion. Good job. Want a cookie?
This isn't even a new behavior-wither roses both attract and harm bees and have for years.
wither roses harm everyone equally
this flower only poisons bees by design
Wither Roses don't natural spawn tho
To quote TheXP905…
“That's not a fair comparison. Everything dies to wither roses. This is an interaction exclusive to bees, where they poison themselves because this flower is bad for them. Which is the same analogy to frogs and fireflies.”
@@squeaksqueakimaknight eyeblossoms don't spawn in biomes with bees either.
@@GSBarlevnaturally spawning bees can roam quite far
Do people actually not get that it never was about not harming frogs in game? It was about not doing something because it works in the game that will poison an animal IRL. IF you try to feed a frog a firefly IRL it will be poisonous to them but you dont assume that because it was planned that they just cassually eat them without harm. Good luck trying to feed a bee anything no risk there. Also its literally poisomous in game if the fireflies would have been poisonous ingame they wouldnt have been a proplem either.
The Minecraft community loves fireflies so much they forgot Wither Roses exist (and bees pollinate and may die from them too)
That's not a fair comparison. Everything dies to wither roses. This is an interaction exclusive to bees, where they poison themselves because this flower is bad for them. Which is the same analogy to frogs and fireflies.
Wither roses don’t spawn naturally, and that’s even more of an argument to why not adding fireflies was one of the dumbest things Mojang has ever done
i think all of us forgot wither roses exist anyway, fireflies or not
@@thexp905Tbf consuming eyeblossom flowers through suspicious stew will give negative effects to the player. It's just nausea and blindness instead of poison though.
@@thexp905The flower also gives you blindness and nausea when you eat it in a suspicious stew. So, not exclusive to bees.
0:40 mojang didn't add sharks because they bad... they added dolphins instead
They didn’t add sharks because people would be upset if they weren't hostile, and they don’t want people killing sharks.
*JUST DON'T MAKE THE FROGS EAT FIREFLIES*
"i don't think they're gonna remove the flowers" that's what they said about fireflies...
They’ll probably remove the bees. It seems like the most logical move.
I hate how Mojang refuses to add things because of completely arbitrary reasons like "oh it could hurt X" or "it could make people think Y" as if some things aren't simply a fact of reality or something they can work around. Not adding fireflies because they're poisonous to frogs makes no sense, that's just how it works in real life, it's literally nothing but educational in the grand scheme of things and if anything doesn't have to be implemented, they can just add fireflies and make frogs not eat them. They also like to say that adding some things like sharks isn't on the table because they're endangered and adding them would somehow make that worse or something? You could argue that anything dangerous or harmful in the game makes the real-life analog worse by encouraging people to do it, so I don't really see why that argument applies to sharks (and NOT polar bears for some reason). It just really annoys me that they say this kind of stuff instead of just outright saying what they probably want to say, which is something along the lines of "we don't want to add this (yet)".
It's probably not the reason, just the PR trying to cover for the real one. Firefly would have some kind of light and particle effect, both of which Mojang had much trouble in the past due to performance on low end hardware. We can literally mine an entire coral reef to build a house out of their dead bodies.
@@rafael_lana yeah....honestly the firefly as a mob was a complex concept even some java mods have issues trying to render light that can move
They won’t add sharks because sharks already have a really bad reputation and they don’t want to add fuel to the fire. That is completely reasonable and it’s annoying that people like you are being intentionally obtuse about their reasoning because you don’t care what happens to real life sharks. Or maybe you’re just stupid and don’t understand the nuances.
@@oliverplougmand2275 I mean look what happened after jaws was released. Granted, it was mostly people who didn’t live by the coast/ocean who freaked out, but it was a panic indeed. Hell, we’re still trying to undo the damage.
@@oliverplougmand2275 but... they needn't be a *hostile* mob. Neutral, I'd think. If you hit them, they hit back, but they don't attack unprovoked.
This is a lot simpler than people make it out to be. The frog/fireflies things was mainly because there was a small chance frogs would get fed poisonous bugs and that would be harmful. Bees getting hurt from a made-up type of flower is something that only happens in game. I am sure there are flowers out there that might have some adverse affect on the creatures, but they bear no resemblance to the minecraft flowers most likely. The firefly situation was that their only purpose in the game for the most part has a negative affect in the real world.
EDIT: I'm not saying it's smart I'm saying it's the internal reasoning
Ok, let's clear this up: Mojang were going to use Fireflies to breed Frogs.
They did not as some can poison Frogs.
That is different from a Fantasy Plant having toxic pollen that the player doesn't feed Bees.
You cannot feed Eyeblossoms to Bees to breed them.
Yeah, I really do think that's the entire bit. It's not that Mojang doesn't want you hurting in-game animals, it's that they don't want to promote the player doing something in-game that is actually harmful in real life. Now, there's a fair argument to be had about how realistic of a problem that is (and whether that's a problem with their portrayal or a problem with people doing things they see in a video game), but it seems like that's the motivation.
It's pretty strange. The player is able to safely consume a mushroom that is made to resemble the extremely toxic Amanita Muscaria mushroom, you hatch chickens by throwing their fertilized eggs at walls, there's incentive for players to steal turtle eggs, yet having fireflies and frogs in the same game is a step too far? Couldn't they just add the fireflies and not let the frogs eat them, or do something like with parrots where eating fireflies actually harms them?
we can literally keep humans as livestock lil bro
You can breed wolves with rotten human meat
@@bacon-DoomSumoalso taking coral out of water to get new colors. The frog x firefly debacle was just a poor attempt in making a PR statement to justify something they decided to cut for other reasons. Probably related to the lighting aspect, any moving source of light seems to be very heavy on performance
"fireflies are poisonous to frogs and thus wont be added"
Alright so dont make them eat them instead
Without being frog food (read: without being the mechanism for obtaining froglights), fireflies served no function. And Mahyong doesn't want to add another pointless mob to compete with the bat.
@@GSBarlev ITS NOT POINTLESS it will improve the forests at night
i want fireflies even if they're just emitting 1 light unit
@@Vinni-2K i think they removed the firefly because its original purpose was to be food for the frog, and once that was out of the picture, they decided there was no point (even though its aesthetic is arguably a use)
@@GSBarlev I feel like they could've worked well as a particle effect rather than a mob
@@Living_Murphys_Law BetterEnd has a really great example of an atmospheric particle that works exactly like this. It's one of the subtle touches I love about the mod.
letting a frog eat a firefly ❌
letting parrot eat cookies ❌
giving pillagers axes so they could perform genoside on innocent villagers ✅
Look lets be real, fireflies have been unrealistic from the start... Have you ever spawned 80 mobs in one area ? Have you seen the lag this causes ? And i dont play on mobile but can you imagine a mobile system handling that? This is exactly what adding fireflies would do, it would be too much hustle to code and implement them without causing lag that its absolutely not worth it for a simple ambience mob so they used up the poison to frogs as an excuse and it backfired hard, they could have come out and be honest saying "its too much to code and there are too many issues we ran into and too much lag so we are not adding them" and (the actual sensible part of the community) would fully understand them
As for bees getting poisoned, im personally ok with that makes the pale garden more creepy and is just a unique little interaction to accidentally diacover, just imagine going into your garden and going like "huh why are my bees poisoned randomly" only to see a bee much later get poisoned by this flower, its part of the sense of discovery and i dont see any issue with it
Your right we should remove cookies, because the parrots can’t have cookies
Mojang and the firefliers are both being ridiculous. Here’s how we get around it. There’s a native insect to the swamp called [insert bug name]. It glows at night and even sparkles in the daylight! Frogs love the eat these sweet and crunchy delicacies, and so can you! Catch them, cook them, or even use them to make glow ink OR the exciting new sparkle varnish! Add pizazz to any frame by making it sparkle! Use the new Net tool to catch the [insert bug name] in your local swamp or lure them to you with a bit of resin! Cook them in a furnace or smoker for a crunchy low level food fix. Apply sparkle varnish to frames and select items like you would apply glow ink to text.
1 bug = 1 glow guts + 1 sparkle shells. 1 glow guts + 1 black ink sac = 1 glow ink. 1 sparkle shell + 1 resin = 1 sparkle varnish. 1 cooked bug = 1 [edible bug name].
Now everything can eat it w no poison worries, and you can add several potentially low effort additions to them game while also accommodating the fans’ very strong desire for a firefly type bug.
TLDR; add a lore friendly glowing bug the frogs could eat and appease the firefly committees.
Do people actually not get that it never was about not harming frogs in game? It was about not doing something because it works in the game that will poison an animal IRL. IF you try to feed a frog a firefly IRL it will be poisonous to them but you dont assume that because it was planned that they just cassually eat them without harm. Good luck trying to feed a bee anything no risk there. Also its literally poisomous in game if the fireflies would have been poisonous ingame they wouldnt have been a proplem either.
you can kill parrots via feeding them cookies.
You don't get it either, it was probably never related to frogs to begin with. They brainstormed and revealed a possible feature, when trying to code it encountered some obstacle and had to make a PR excuse to get out of it.
For example, you can IRL take vibrant coral out of the water and watch it die and harden. It's in the game as a feature, resulting in good looking blocks at that. You can breed sea pickles by feeding them salmon bones, IRL just touching them is often enough to kill.
@@rafael_lanaYeah, before they were officially removed from the update it was said that they were having trouble preventing lag due to the amount of entities
The bees chose the bad flower because they were closer to it, duh. Spawn them on the right side and then we'll talk
03:35 Frog is jumping for the beef
I- impossible! Nobody jumps for the beef! Everyone jumps for the chicken 😨
Resin lowkey looks like crystallized honey
First we lost Fireflies, now Bees are going extinct. What next?!
Minecraft players
fun
Ssspidersss and cave ssspidersss. And batsss. And phantomsss. And the ender dragonsss. And elytrasss. If it fliesss it diesss.
@@MyNaymIsSnek1526 Are you named Snake, or Snek?
@ Sssnek isss my nickname and I go by it mossst of the time, sssnake isss my ssspeccciesss, and I’m not telling you my real name caussse internet sssafety.
What are the chances though of a kid seeing frogs eating fireflies in minecraft and doing it in real life?
the forgs cant be hurt but the bees can
forgs*
forgs*
forgs*
@@י.ינ no its fgors
פורגס*
I thought mobs beside the creaking could not spawn in the pale garden not even sheep
Bees poison by flowers
Parrots poison by cookies
Frog eat magma cube
I feel like the situation wouldn't be at bad if the flower instead poisoned (or give some sort of other negative potion effect) to several different kinds of mobs, rather than just targeting bees.
Like maybe it can only harm non monster mobs, or can only harm stuff that's living/an "animal", but not harm stuff like undead or creatures that are made of a planet like materals, like zombies, skeletons, the creaking, and perhaps creepers
Edit: plus there's no benefit of poisoning bees anyways, I'm pretty sure they only drop xp not a lot either (and it doesn't even end them to begin with, you would still have to damage them yourself)
Beans.
The new raid farms the creaking will give birth too
Here to stop “bro fell off” comments
Can't wait till those die. It's so unoriginal and boring.
seven likes bro fell off
@@mega___435365 likes bro didn’t fall off
You're late
Those comments are dead for the most part
I say as I scroll down and see one
Bro fell on
They should add fireflies and just have them poison frogs to teach that, rather than completely axe a concept
Adding Fireflies that can harm frogs ❌
Adding flowers that can harm bees ✅
The eye blossoms arent a real life thing so that's probably why
There actually are types of flowers that are poisonous to bees in real life, like certain types of Rhododendron that, when used exclusively for nectar, can result in toxic honey.
Since you have to go out of your way to make bees interact with the new flower, maybe it's mojang's way of teaching players to be careful of which flowers they use.
Or that Mojang don’t put enough money into research.
Fireflies be having beef with Mojang!
Let’s release Fireflies into the the whole damn headquarters.
in this java snapshot, custom superflat worlds crash the game
3:47 But... wouldn't encouraging the actual knowledge and research of the animals/how to avoid treating them in the real world be understandable?
you can kill parrots via feeding them cookies
@@Gengengalixy you’ve made this comment multiple times and I genuinely fail to see the point of it. They die because it’s not good for them, telling the audience that it’s not good for them and to not feed them cookies.
“The parrots and the bees” 😂
Mojang has ways to kill us all
Mojang : sharks are endangered and we don't want to encourage people to k*ll sharks in real life..
Meanwhile Mojang : Lets k*ll bees..
The shark thing is often forgotten I'm happy people besides me remember it 😂 in the same update where you can kill coral to get amazing gray scale blocks btw
Every day I wake up and thank god I'm not a Mojang dev. Now the entire community turned into environmentalists overnight because of this
Really just shows mojangs doesnt double check most of what they end up adding 😭
1:55 I love how happy it looks while being poisoned
*Phoenix SC REAL FANS ARE YOU HERE ?! 💖✨*
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I think the issue with fireflies was that they were initially advertised as something the frogs eat but because of the correction (and the criticism over them being 2 pixels) they decided it wasn't worth implementing them. I think they were intended to be frog food and since that wasn't right they decided against.
this time they're advertising out the gate this thing hurts a mob when injested and that's a key feature to it. the firefly thing likely started this idea.
Now (if they make a statement) they will probably say something like
"Oh our advertisement was about feeding the frogs the fireflies and it is players doing this but here the bees are actually doing it themselves."
I’m thinking this is an effort by Mojang to prove themselves right in refusing to add fireflies and sharks.
Mojang apparently really doesn't like flying insects.
I want Mojang to add giant beehive structures to match the large size of the bees. You'd be able to harvest honey directly, and they'd add a new honeycomb block that covers the interior wall of beehives.
I think the reason the bees went to the eyeblossom was because you placed it slightly closer to it, but when you spawned the bee to the right of the normal spot, it went to the dandelion.
What if they change it to make them scared of the flower? Oh wait- maybe rarely?
It already has a function :0
i think the reason fireflies were removed was because the *only* reason they were gonna add them in the first place was to have something for frogs to eat. since frogs cant eat them irl, they just decided to scrap the idea
It's quite obvious Mojang was lying about not adding fireflies, there's clearly some other reason (that nobody can think of)
They said in a video before fireflies were officially removed from the update that they were having trouble with lag due to the amount of entities
You already could harm bees with wither flowers.
The bees are very obviously going to the closest flower, rather than seeking out a specific one. Poison is 4 blocks away, dandelion is 5 (or slightly more than 4, don't know if their AI uses diagonals).
Maybe it goes towards the eye blossom because you made it spawn directly looking at the eye blossom. Maybe you could put the bee in between the flowers and make it not look at either of them. Idk, just something I noticed
edit: so, I did a test, and it seemed to be random... ish? most of them went towards the dandelion and the ones who didn't almost instantly switch. I'm not sure how to describe it, but here's a visual representation of what I did:
B = where I spawned the bees, H = hive, D = dandelion, E = eye blossom, and O are blocks (glass)
OOOOOOO
OE DO
O O
O B O
O H O
OOOOOOO
also, bees don't take damage when on peaceful mode! idk why but they don't
just things I noticed
"We have decided to remove bees cuz we accidentally killed all of them. Oops!"
"Actively discourage kids from feeding parrots cookies"
*Parrot combusts spontaneously*
as a big fan of bees, I'm officially angered
they're already starting to go endangered when they shouldn't be, wasps are the real problem
mojang for the love of god what did they do to you to cause this
2 Pixels?, Naahh A flower
They let you poison bees with flowers and yet wolves can still eat pufferfish without getting poisoned
From my observation, why the bees sometimes choose the blossom over the flower is because when you spawn them they seem to go to the closest one. So they stay on the same lane as the flower and their initial spawn point. I think the only way to optimally compare how often they go to the blossom or flower is by observing them when they exit their beehive, I guess?
frogs can not eat parrots, so we're removing parrots
bees can not eat humans, we are removing the player
Mojang: "We dont want to add fireflies because they'll hurt frogs"
Also mojang: "lol eyeball flowers go brr"
bee + pig makes.. uh..
PEES SHOULD ALSO BE SCARED OF EYE BLOSSOMS
Where you were spawning the bee had a direct influence on which flower it went to. Look at where you spawned them relative to the flowers - the bees you spawned in the same 'line' from you to the blossom went to that flower, the bees spawned in the same 'line' between you and the dandelion went to the dandelion.
For those wondering: the reason the bees went for the poisonous flower is because its the closest to them, which is why after going to the hive and coning back for more, it went to the yellow flower, not because they learned, but because its the closest
Now they just need to make the pale garden spread with random tick and then we'd have to stop the corruption just like in Terraria.
Me: hey i've seen this one before. Mojang: its brand new
Phoenix looking at a bee : "this is not a bug" 2:38
This is a weird thing to add but as long as it's just poison then I guess it's fine.
The newly spawned bee just goes to the closest flower along the x or z axis. From the video it looks like whatever block you spawn the bee on, is whatver flower it picks, if it lines up with it in the same axis.
I think the blatant unsafe thing Minecraft has is the fact you can straight up eat a most often poisonous mushroom. If they're so worried about safety, then aren't they worried some kids are gonna eat the mushroom if they see it.
Main reason behind the bees getting poisoned is the lore side of things in the game, the eyeblossom sucks the souls out of bees and the creaking heart likely sucks the life out of the environment (evidenced by passive mobs not spawning in the pale garden)
I still don’t get why mojang, instead of just making frogs not eat the fireflies, they decided to just remove them. Like, I’m still upset to this day that fireflies aren’t in the game.
Replied to a lot of similar comments, but it was never about the frogs. Mojang had much trouble with particles and lighting effects in the past and probably saw early on implementation that fireflies would be disappointing/hard to make, and PR had to make an excuse for the reason.
You can literally mine an entire coral reef and place it outside of water for decoration, feed sea pickles salmon bones or hatch a chicken by throwing an egg at a wall. All of that children could replicate.
@ Fireflies getting announced and immediately scrapped after being “hard to make”. The bundle that took 4 years to be released 💀
@@elijahstruss this wasn’t a matter of just being hard to make, it was possibly just incompatible with the current engine running the game.
@@endiecutie06 Dang, that’s crazy. One measly little firefly took down a multimillion dollar company lol
i think something ppl might not realize about fireflies is that they won't emit light in game. mojang probably implemented them internally, noticed it looked off because of them not emitting any light because of technical limitations of the engine, and decided not to add them in. this is a theory obviously, but i'd believe it
They should just make bees avoid the flower... Like the way creepers avoid cats, or villagers avoid zombies, just have the bee 'run' from the flower.
they’re never gonna live the fireflies thing down
More and more it feels like it would make more sense to simply have unique mobs instead of real life ones, then they aren't affected by perception attached to real life mobs. Of course it's far too late for that, but I absolutely love that we are getting more weird mobs like the Creaking which let them do whatever they want for the sake of the game.
For fireflys and frogs the solution is simple. If you feed a frog a firefly the frog takes poison damage. Hey also If you feed a parrot a cookie the parrot takes poison damage. Should we ban the use of swords on mobs just because a kid could use a sword on a parrot in real life? No.
If regular poison damage is too strong (lowering to half a heart), maybe Mojang should consider adding a new type of poison that caps damage to a different minimum number of hearts, like 5 hearts for example.
I swear I had a dream about these new Minecraft flowers.
Back in Covid, I had a dream the moon was getting closer to Earth and everyone was panicking, and the news said it was because of these flowers, that had a yellow middle and white, long petals, that lost a staring contest with the moon. And influencers around the world were singing songs about the flower, begging them to look up to stop the moon from destroying Earth.