I love the 3D printed miniatures and mock-ups, that is really useful. Really glad you found a good solution! And, yeah, chop and change that frame as much as you need to to get it all in there. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Paul! I'm so excited to get this stuff in there. The fabrication sounds a lot simpler this way, too. We'll see how long it takes, but I still want to get it running this year.
getting the battery locaiton right is probably the biggest hurdle of any EV conversion. it looks like you ended up on a pretty workable solution! can't wait to see how it comes along!
Totally not using your experience in fitting things to help decide how I go about swapping my Beat... Can't wait to see how this thing turns out. Absolutely awesome build. 👍
Haha cheers! This is a really rare swap that I think only one other person has done (using Energica parts).. it would have been soooo much easier with Zero parts but I wanted more power and fast charging. If you want to eventually convert your Beat with Zero stuff, you could even keep the transaxle and change gears if that sounds appealing.
@@NewZeroland I'm looking at keeping an engine in the car, so we've got some different challenges. But knowing what you've gotten away with can help me form my decisions. For example, I'm debating using a Miata differential hooked up to a V4 from a Honda motorcycle, so seeing it mocked up in your design software gives me a pretty good estimate for how everything would fit. There's also other solutions, like the Tesla brake assist swap, that I'll end up replicating, so seeing how it's done helps a lot. Huge props to you for what you've done. It's a big challenge and you've got a great community of people here to help make it happen!
@@Sarin-Q aw thanks! Well if you end up going chain and sprocket, I have a Cusco LSD lying around haha. The Tesla iBooster is amazing though. Fully recommend.
You could even cut a gap in the frame piece and bolt each side to the battery; the battery is structural on your bikes right? I know my Monster had the frame bolted to the engine, so makes sense. Those 3D-printed miniatures make me think of Star Wars spaceships; you need to glue them together and paint them accordingly, and hang it up on a bit of wire in your garage. “May the Torque be with you’”.
Holy moley you must have a huge 3D printer. Im glad you found a solution make sure you have a spare for every custom part that will see wear and tear incase there isnt anyone to make those parts in the future.
If it is doable - DO IT! 💪 Life is a constant game of Tetris - why should it be different with any projects 😅 Luv watching and seeing things grow - incl. the community 🙂
This is exactly where I was hoping you would go. There are lots of precedents for differentials that are offset from center. It's not absolutely ideal, but it's not at all bad, either. And compared with all the advantages, it's extremely minor. Here's hoping this layout does indeed work out.
Sounds perfect. You totally need to 3D print the rest of the car and make a little RC replica of it. Always a hit at any of the car shows when you get to that point. I think I'm going to get the Beat locally, I had a chance to look at it in person and it's actually a lot better than I expected, the interior is pretty nice for a $3k car. No idea what condition the motor is in but I'm still leaning towards a 'Busa motor, so we'll see.
Dude yes!!! That's so exciting! Man.. $3k is an insane deal. I'm not gonna say how much my car cost because it makes me sad to think about. I paid less for my FD3S. Hayabusabeat would be sick. I approve. And great idea about showing off the model at car meets! I wanna give the mini-prints to the engineering shop as a reference for where to put everything, and totally print the rest of the engine bay. At 1:25 scale the engine bay is bigger than what my printer can do.. so I have to split it up. I'll start on that tonight.
yea that looks like the best orientation from a weight distribution standpoint. you also sacrifice the least practicality from both a driving and building standpoint. Cant wait to see it on the road. One problem that remains in this configuration is cooling the battery case. with no air flowing over it in the trunk, youll likely suffer overheating after sustained use. my understanding of the energica battery case is that air is channeled through vents down the center of the case when its in the bike. to simulate this level of air flow, id imagine youll need to 3d print an air channel from the vents on the side of the car and potentially from underneath the car as well. there also appears to be enough room over the motor for a fan should you choose to force air over the battery. based on the CAD model, the front of the battery is too close to the firewall to route air lines in front, so my solution would be to route air from both side vents to the back of the battery via intake hoses using the room in the right of the engine bay.
Hey thanks! Yeah that's a good idea if I end up driving it long distances. The batteries don't heat up much while riding.. it's more the fast charging that does it. Having a 3D printed ram air scoop from the side vent would be awesome. We'll see how it goes!
@@NewZeroland If you only need the cooling for DC charging, you might consider a switchable fan (that you only switch on during high kW-charging). I mean: any electric car is usually wheezing and puffing when it's fast charging. My old Model S sounded like a hovercraft taking off when it was charging.
How about the green caps, details are important ;) , and that sounds a really good solution, having a shorter axel on one side than the other, is that going to interfere with handling? Hey - what do I know, I was happy with the first chain solution, and the second battery high solution. I like this solution too, go figure. Sorry not much help, just want to know, are yo painting the caps green.
HAHA fear not.. the caps will be green and shiny. I'll paint them tonight and post a photo soon. Axles usually aren't the same length so it should be totally fine. If they have to be custom anyway, it'll be perfect!
I was literally just wondering when you were going to 3D print the rest of the car. I guess in the effort to keep it simple we all discounted the thought of chopping any more out of it. Which is funny to me because I've been watching this other channel trying to design a custom sports car out of an old Porsche Boxter, and they're lopping off pieces left and right to fit the body design.
Haha yeah man.. NZ is strict about what you can modify, and I was arranging stuff with the assumption that I had to use all the stock mounts and couldb't even drill new holes anywhere, but it turns out we can go nuts on older cars like this.
It’s not dumb to not think of custom axles. It’s a simple solution that most people just wouldn’t come up with because axles are things that most people don’t want to mess with. As long as the custom axles are machined out of the right metal and heat treated properly then you shouldn’t have any issues.
That’s fine. Not trying to stop you from feeling dumb but I have worked with some dumb people in the past and you are not on their level. 🤣 I’m glad the realization hit before the work was almost done. 😁 That’s when it’s just sad.
Turns out the Beat conversion was the friends you made along the way.
I love this little community!
I think you should 3D print the entire car. LoL 😂
1:1 scale next time
Absolutely
I love the 3D printed miniatures and mock-ups, that is really useful. Really glad you found a good solution! And, yeah, chop and change that frame as much as you need to to get it all in there. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Paul! I'm so excited to get this stuff in there. The fabrication sounds a lot simpler this way, too. We'll see how long it takes, but I still want to get it running this year.
Two vids in one week. Sweet! Keep at it. Looks like it’s gonna be an awesome conversion.
Haha thanks! I have another one coming on Monday. I'm pretending I'm still a youtuber.
You are not dumb, that for sure. I'm excited to see your conversion done! 😍
Haha I appreciate it! 😁
You are not alone in your build, it seems. Awesome community.
Yeah! I appreciate you guys 😁
Just some quality content. Thank you good sir for the entertainment.
Cheers man! Glad ya liked it 😁
Congrats buddy!! I reeeally want to see this project over all NZ 👏👏
Thank you! I'll definitely take it on a road trip when it's finished :D
Plan soujds awesome.. cant wait for the next video.
getting the battery locaiton right is probably the biggest hurdle of any EV conversion. it looks like you ended up on a pretty workable solution! can't wait to see how it comes along!
Cheers man! I can't wait to get this project started.
Thats wicked, glad you could get it to fit.
Thanks! It's gonna be sweeeet.
Totally not using your experience in fitting things to help decide how I go about swapping my Beat...
Can't wait to see how this thing turns out. Absolutely awesome build. 👍
Haha cheers! This is a really rare swap that I think only one other person has done (using Energica parts).. it would have been soooo much easier with Zero parts but I wanted more power and fast charging. If you want to eventually convert your Beat with Zero stuff, you could even keep the transaxle and change gears if that sounds appealing.
@@NewZeroland I'm looking at keeping an engine in the car, so we've got some different challenges. But knowing what you've gotten away with can help me form my decisions. For example, I'm debating using a Miata differential hooked up to a V4 from a Honda motorcycle, so seeing it mocked up in your design software gives me a pretty good estimate for how everything would fit. There's also other solutions, like the Tesla brake assist swap, that I'll end up replicating, so seeing how it's done helps a lot. Huge props to you for what you've done. It's a big challenge and you've got a great community of people here to help make it happen!
@@Sarin-Q aw thanks! Well if you end up going chain and sprocket, I have a Cusco LSD lying around haha. The Tesla iBooster is amazing though. Fully recommend.
Awesome (and slightly daunting) solution!
Thanks Bert! Naahh, this will be way easier and safer to pull off. A lot less cutting, too.
I wish I could add anything useful here, but gonna say I learn a lot from your videos, great stuff! Those 3d printed models are great! :D
Thanks a bunch! I'm learning too, so this whole process has been enlightening and fun.
Such awesomesauce i cant wait for when you get it all mounted in
Meeeee too!! Thanks :D
You could even cut a gap in the frame piece and bolt each side to the battery; the battery is structural on your bikes right? I know my Monster had the frame bolted to the engine, so makes sense. Those 3D-printed miniatures make me think of Star Wars spaceships; you need to glue them together and paint them accordingly, and hang it up on a bit of wire in your garage. “May the Torque be with you’”.
That's a great point! The battery can become one with the frame haha. I should shoot a stop-motion animation with the little 3D printed spaceships.
Holy moley you must have a huge 3D printer. Im glad you found a solution make sure you have a spare for every custom part that will see wear and tear incase there isnt anyone to make those parts in the future.
Ooo that's a great point. I didn't think about that. A spare set of axles would be super handy to have just in case the high torque snaps em 😂
Yay I'm happy you were able to come up with a better plan!
Thanks man! "Just cut the car apart" was the answer lol.
If it is doable - DO IT! 💪 Life is a constant game of Tetris - why should it be different with any projects 😅 Luv watching and seeing things grow - incl. the community 🙂
Haha so well said. Thanks! It's been really fun so far and I can't wait to get this stuff in the car.
This is exactly where I was hoping you would go. There are lots of precedents for differentials that are offset from center. It's not absolutely ideal, but it's not at all bad, either. And compared with all the advantages, it's extremely minor. Here's hoping this layout does indeed work out.
Thanks man! It's only slightly off-center, so I think this'll work great. Just a little cutting and welding and we're on the road! 😂
Looks like a good solution.
Cheers! Cut all the things.
Sounds perfect. You totally need to 3D print the rest of the car and make a little RC replica of it. Always a hit at any of the car shows when you get to that point.
I think I'm going to get the Beat locally, I had a chance to look at it in person and it's actually a lot better than I expected, the interior is pretty nice for a $3k car. No idea what condition the motor is in but I'm still leaning towards a 'Busa motor, so we'll see.
Dude yes!!! That's so exciting! Man.. $3k is an insane deal. I'm not gonna say how much my car cost because it makes me sad to think about. I paid less for my FD3S. Hayabusabeat would be sick. I approve. And great idea about showing off the model at car meets! I wanna give the mini-prints to the engineering shop as a reference for where to put everything, and totally print the rest of the engine bay. At 1:25 scale the engine bay is bigger than what my printer can do.. so I have to split it up. I'll start on that tonight.
yea that looks like the best orientation from a weight distribution standpoint. you also sacrifice the least practicality from both a driving and building standpoint. Cant wait to see it on the road.
One problem that remains in this configuration is cooling the battery case. with no air flowing over it in the trunk, youll likely suffer overheating after sustained use. my understanding of the energica battery case is that air is channeled through vents down the center of the case when its in the bike. to simulate this level of air flow, id imagine youll need to 3d print an air channel from the vents on the side of the car and potentially from underneath the car as well. there also appears to be enough room over the motor for a fan should you choose to force air over the battery. based on the CAD model, the front of the battery is too close to the firewall to route air lines in front, so my solution would be to route air from both side vents to the back of the battery via intake hoses using the room in the right of the engine bay.
Hey thanks! Yeah that's a good idea if I end up driving it long distances. The batteries don't heat up much while riding.. it's more the fast charging that does it. Having a 3D printed ram air scoop from the side vent would be awesome. We'll see how it goes!
@@NewZeroland If you only need the cooling for DC charging, you might consider a switchable fan (that you only switch on during high kW-charging). I mean: any electric car is usually wheezing and puffing when it's fast charging. My old Model S sounded like a hovercraft taking off when it was charging.
@@berttroubleyn3475 haha yeah good point. I'll see how it does. I can upgrade stuff as needed.
Excellent plan sir!! Now get on it! Lol
Gettin it! Thanks :D
become the solvent to the solution
It seems like the planning part takes way longer than the actual doing part 😂 but it's all fun.
Send that man some PETG filliment😂
Eh I haven't really found much difference between PETG and PLA. Does one last longer than the other?
How about the green caps, details are important ;) , and that sounds a really good solution, having a shorter axel on one side than the other, is that going to interfere with handling? Hey - what do I know, I was happy with the first chain solution, and the second battery high solution. I like this solution too, go figure. Sorry not much help, just want to know, are yo painting the caps green.
HAHA fear not.. the caps will be green and shiny. I'll paint them tonight and post a photo soon. Axles usually aren't the same length so it should be totally fine. If they have to be custom anyway, it'll be perfect!
I was literally just wondering when you were going to 3D print the rest of the car. I guess in the effort to keep it simple we all discounted the thought of chopping any more out of it. Which is funny to me because I've been watching this other channel trying to design a custom sports car out of an old Porsche Boxter, and they're lopping off pieces left and right to fit the body design.
Haha yeah man.. NZ is strict about what you can modify, and I was arranging stuff with the assumption that I had to use all the stock mounts and couldb't even drill new holes anywhere, but it turns out we can go nuts on older cars like this.
@@NewZeroland Nothing makes you want to learn to weld like watching car customization and rebuild videos for reasons just like this.
@@NewZerolandIt Will be perfect... Take your time...
Make sure to also check the direction drive of the motor. You don't want it to give full power in "reverse" 😂😂😂
Oh yeah I checked the direction the diff spins and it's all good 😂 That was definitely a concern at first.
It’s not dumb to not think of custom axles. It’s a simple solution that most people just wouldn’t come up with because axles are things that most people don’t want to mess with. As long as the custom axles are machined out of the right metal and heat treated properly then you shouldn’t have any issues.
Oh nah, I felt dumb for not thinking about cutting that frame piece to make room haha. All sorted now though! I can't wait to get busy on this thing.
That’s fine. Not trying to stop you from feeling dumb but I have worked with some dumb people in the past and you are not on their level. 🤣 I’m glad the realization hit before the work was almost done. 😁 That’s when it’s just sad.
Lol I was about to throw my energica motor in my car just to finish this up
What! Tell me more!
An Enérgica powered Honda Kei car can’t be Beat! Or can it?!
😂😂😂
Forst ti cimment!
Firft ti cimment! 😄
What about in the space behind the seats?
There is no space behind the seats 😂 The firewall is like 2" behind them.
So next week burnouts! 😅
The only smoke this car will produce!
Does Jenn know you are planning on scaring her with this car?
I've scared her in every car we've owned, so she's ready for it.
She might want to swap seats and take revenge.