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Maybe, replacing some defect modules helps to increase batt cap dramatically. I saw that on TB‘s channel (teslabjoern). Hey, how cool you are, handling range anx and even not to flip out by people not able to follow the ev netiq: kudos! Be patient and open minded.. character traits, many people must learn again (like me!).
Haha thanks! Whole battery swaps on these old Leafs are possible now. Actually a shop really close does that, so it might be an option in the future, but for now the range is all I need.
@@NewZerolanddo you know how much those battery replacements cost for a 24kwh battery?
@@kiankhan07 something like $10k nzd.. but maybe more.
@@NewZeroland I can get a 12 bar Leaf 24 kWh battery from the junk yard near me here in Norway for 25000 NOK, which is equivalent to 3900 nzd. They're really easy to replace according to people who work on them.
I'm looking for a Leaf like yours to buy cheap but all the ones that used to be here have been bought up by companies that ship them abroad, probably to eastern Europe.
EV Etiquette is a big thing that we're going to have to learn - and teach - over the next ten years as more people get EVs. If we can teach that politely and helpfully that will make everyone happier 🙂
Amen! We're all in this together.
I live in Auckland NZ and see Nissan leafs everywhere, they are very popular for the daily commute and those numerous short distance hops. My wife owns one with 8 bars and it has plenty of range for her needs, so we only ever charge it at home. I am waiting for 2nd hand Chinese EV's to hit the market here and then I will convert to electric as well, BYD and MG are looking to be popular EV brands and there are a lot of Teslas on the road but they are too pricey for my budget. The Toyota Prius and Aqua are extremely popular for hybrid buyers. The only vehicle type bucking the trend are large gas guzzling pickups
Nice! I'm happy to see more affordable EVs hitting the market in NZ.
1:40 it may say 5 bars, but re-balancing (via rebuilding) may result is surprisingly good news, best of luck!
ah, I was assuming you were going to put the Leaf battery into the Beat
That could be cool to try. Leaf battery swaps are becoming popular now, so this might be a good candidate for that.
@@NewZeroland oh yeah, there are lots of after-market battery businesses now, you could really revive your new Leaf, if the battery gets any worse. There might even be a service place that can re-balance what you already have.
Oh no. Mine is now 56%SOH so I have some of the same experiences as you. Note that the DC chargers tend to report the SOC incorrectly for early Leafs. Leaf Spy Pro is a great investment. It means that you know exactly how may kWh you have remaining so takes a lot of stress out of the "can I make it home?" situation. I have kept a record of how many kWh I need to get home from various landmarks, so when in doubt I consult the list, check Leaf Spy, and know then if I need to hypermile it, or if I can put my foot down and turn on the heater. For this, you need the Leaf Spy Pro version, which is not free, and a suitable OBD2 dongle ( I can lend you my spare, but it works with android phones only). Leaf Spy Pro also logs trip data when it is on, so you get a file of distance, energy, time, date, etc that you can download and open with Excel. But, you’re dead right, your Leaf cost you less, per available kWh, than any other EV on the market, and it still can do 90% of your daily driver journeys.
Ooooo ok now I definitely need to try that. I guess as long as the range is good enough for blasting to work and to the city, it should be perfect for the Beat 😁 I was hoping to have the engine out by now, but you know how life and work goes. I'm so impressed that you were able to build a whole car in just a few years!!
@@NewZeroland Many many small steps. One trick I have used is to never let a day go by without doing "something" that progresses the build. I have even gone to bed, realised I didn't do anything on the build that day, got up and went to the workshop to just give it a pat. :-)
@@ratmanbrian haha wow! That's great advice. I have big plans for this weekend now!
This works for ALL Leaf models AFTER you've dropped that first bar. But here goes:
RemainngBatteryMax% = 100 * RemainingBars / 13 (Approximately)
RemaingBatteryMin% = RemaingBatteryMax% - 7.6%
Leaf Bar Chart
11Bars = Between 85% and 77%
10Bars= Between 77% and 69%
9 Bars= Between 69% and 62%
8 Bars= Between 62% and 54%
7 Bars= Between 54% and 46%
6 Bars= Between 46% and 38%
5 Bars= Between 38% and 31%
4 Bars= Between 31% and 23%
3 Bars= Between 23% and 15%
2 Bars= Between 15% and 8%
1 Bars= Between 8% and Completely Knackered%
EstimatedMilage = Manufacturer'sNewCarMileage * RemainingBattery% / 100
So in your case of a 22KwH (as it's this 22KwH that the display is giving bars against, not the 24KwH)
Your RemainingBattery% at 5 Bars is between 38% and 31%. Which equates to between 8.3KwH and 6.8KwH
So, as a rough guide for other Leaf owners, this formula was pretty close to your actual figure when correcting your maths. As your capacity actually worked out as 6.6KwH :) That's 3.1KwH / (94% - 47%) * 100% = 6.6 KwH
Fun video. Nice to know some people are still patient. Nice one!
we just bought an 11 bar 2013 garage kept Nissan Leaf, I can't even imagine 5 bars! I cannot wait to hear how you process the batteries!!!
How did you find a 10 year old Leaf with 11 bars??? :O That blows my mind!
FYI: we paid $10,500 United States Dollars ($16,673 New Zealand Dollars) for our Leaf, it gets 65 miles (105km) when I drive, and 90 miles (145km) when my wife drives.
@@NewZeroland it was owned by a couple that spent their life on a boat, so they rarely drove it. It does have some sea salt air issues, but not really worth mentioning.
@@NewZeroland we drove an ICE car 4 hours to get the Leaf, but it took us 13 hours to drive it back home, due to the lack of charging stations. We had to drive very slow to make the range longer. It was a very long day, woke up at 3am, and got home around midnight. But it's the perfect 2nd car to our Model 3; it should last the rest of our lives (both EVs)
@@bikeelectric4821 wow! Now that's an adventure. I used to like the challenge of driving a short-range EV long distances, but man the infrastructure here has become unusable. It's killed any desire to road trip in anything other than a Tesla.
That is an awesome deal. Glad to see the market in NZ has so many affordable options. Enough range is enough range. With heated steering wheel and seats, and lots of room for passengers and luggage, it sounds nicer than your Honda Beat conversion! 😀
😂 haha it's a lot more comfortable! I might swap steering wheels and have some heat in the Beat.
We have a leaf with all the trimmings and they present and drive as a very high quality build, amazing value for money.
we should just let tesla be in charge of the chargers, atleast those actually work. Also, harley dealers have nice ccs chargers with no app needed, as they should all be, let the app be optional for quality of life stuff
Right?? Well said man. There are like 6 or 7 apps in NZ now. There used to be only 1, and life was easy. I'm bummed because it's making me not wanna go anywhere.
I don’t know, half the HD chargers don’t seem to work. And they would take 3+ hours for most Teslas to charge on. :(
True, I wouldn't want to charge a tesla at an HD dealer, but the ones I've been to on my Energica have almost all worked.
Thanks for all the talk about winter, here in the Northern hemisphere we benefit from thinking about cool climate.
Haha man send some of that heat down here. It's freezing!
You could have done this at home via OBD2 scanner and Leaf Spy. There's a page (3rd) that shows remaining kWh, GIDs etc.. So L2 charge overnight to full charge and used the scanner without that hassle.
Good to know! Thanks 😁
I got anxious just listening to the story! A couple of months ago my uncle gifted a 2021 Jag I-Pace to his brother-in-law because the range anxiety he felt while repeatedly driving to and from Hamilton to Wellington got too much for him. Brother-in-law sold the I-Pace to a dealership and bought a Chinese build-your-own EV. Literally weeks after the sale, Jag puts out a recall notice for the 90 kw battery that apparently will spontaneously combust if not fixed. NZ's got to get a better EV infrastructure up and running if Kiwis are going to make the transition. Can't wait!
Oof! That sucks man. Honestly if I was doing long drives like that, I'd only look at Teslas. The charging is so smooth, and you never have to worry about queuing because there are 4 stations at every location. I hope we eventually get that setup with other stations, but the apps kill it for me.
@@NewZeroland It sounds strange to me to read only "4 stations at each location." Here in the states most stations have at least 8 stalls, and 12 or more is common. Some have 50 or more!
Back when Tesla first revealed their superchargers, they said they would keep expanding the number of stalls to allow owners to plug in without waiting. Talk is cheap, but Tesla has backed that up with continuous expansion of superchargers world-wide.
@@georgepelton5645 yeah New Zealand is super far behind 😂 Things are ramping up, but getting more complicated.
I was just watching Bjorn’s video on a old leaf when your video popped up.
I think you snagged a good deal for what you need.
Nice! Thanks man. We picked it up a few days before New Zealand raised gas prices 30 cents overnight, so the timing was perfect haha.
@@NewZeroland just got my wife a Kona Ev after a couple of years of convincing her it was a good idea.
She texted me all excited that she got free charging at the mall and now she’ll be spending her gas money on better things like shoes and a slushie 😂
@@therealcdnuser ha! Yes!! When was the last time we got free gas?? Never!
Wow, I never thought I would have range anxiety by watching a video :O - Our old leaf seem to go for ever on "- - -" never got it to snail.
I really expected the car to shut off and block traffic at any moment, but it's nice to know the limp mode turns on before that. When that happens you still have another 1km of range haha.
@@NewZeroland I guess to know the limits you first have to find the limits!
I’m thinking of getting a Leaf here in the UK too, they got a lot cheaper of late, will be used as a hack to get around locally short commute, along with ferrying my son to clubs etc…
@@fire_stick nice! Honestly it's the perfect car for that kinda stuff. Short commutes aren't great for petrol cars.
Bunnings sell the "grid connect" Power Meter. You could just plug into that and get a charge curve and total pulled from the wall.
$23.91
True 😅 I thought a charging station would be easier... oh how wrong I was.
Just pulling into the drive as you get to 0%. Reminds me of when my bike stopped running and I found the float bowl had disconnected from the carby and all my petrol had leaked out of my tank and evaporated of my hot engine. I was between towns in rural Aus. The bolts long gone, I held the bowl in place some fencing wire and 4 cable ties. I limped it to the next town with the petrol still left in the reserve tank and rolled to the bowser as my engine died. It's good fun.
Once you run out a few times the anxiety starts to go away. You'll survive.
HAHA wow that's living on the edge! You're totally right. Now I know you can drive 1km on turtle mode.
From all "1st gen EVs", the Leaf has from far the worst battery in term of lifetime, unfortunately... I remember academic studies comparing batteries from Renault Zoe, BMW i3 and Nissan Leaf that showed clearly this fact, even in the very first years of the batteries lifetime. The decay of the SoH (State-of-Health) curve was really faster than the other ones.
I could only advise potentiel buyers to avoid this particular model, even if it is really cheap.
But more than that, if the capacity you estimate is correct, then that means your Leaf has around 25% of SoH... That is crazy low, and probably indicate that your battery is dying... Usually, a typical SoH curve as a function of time (or cycles) is linear at the beggining (from 100% SoH to 80% you loose like 1-2%/year), but at some point there is a knee point from which the degradation rate accelerates. That brings exponential SoH loss and I am afraid that is what you are experiencing. My bet is you will only be able to use this battery for some tens of cycles maximum before reaching sudden death...
In your situation, I would consider contacting Nissan to know how much it would cost you to swap the battery for a new one. That might be your better option, if the rest of the car is in good condition (no rust on the frame or stuff like that).
Sorry to bring the bad news here. Peace and (electric) ride from France ☮🏍
After reading other comments: yes it might be a good idea to make a re-balance of the modules, if that is not expensive. That will help you gain some range and buy you some time before it dies.
Also more generally speaking, it is time now that politicians pass regulations forcing the vendor to display the SoH of used car. I know that the European Union is about to do so, I hope that will inspire New Zealand and the rest of the world.
Definitely! I'm not sure why some Leafs from that era still have 10+ bars and some are almost dead. Our 2011 Leaf was dropping 1 bar every year, and refused to charge at more than 7kW. This one has a similar problem 😂 We'll see how long it lasts. Battery swaps are possible, and I have a friend locally who can do it, but I'm not sure this car would be worth spending another $10k on if I'm not planning on keeping it for more than a year.
I'd love to hear more about the Leaf. I've considered picking one up to mess with. I run errands so limited range is no problem (I have 2022 Zero S 7.2kw so I know limited range.... :-)
Nice! Bang for buck, Leafs are great. They're nothing like Teslas and they handle like pigs, but they're super quiet inside. Definitely test drive one if you get the chance.
I bought a used Smart EQ for a third of its new price, and i'm super happy with it!
But what happened to your Tesla? 😯
Nice! Man I would have loved an electric Smart car! My wife drives the Tesla and it made more sense to have 2 running cars than to share one, now that I've made my Beat undriveable haha.
The bit of highway between Petone and Welly was why I sold 24G, it just couldn't handle it. I was always relieved when it was backed up with traffic so I could crawl haha.
Right?? Traffic has saved me so many times haha.
What a hassle on those chargers.
Get the leaf modules fixed.
Yep, swapping out the modules or the whole pack might be an option someday.
First!
it gets better, the 24kwh battery only has 22kwh usable capacity, the rest was hidden buffer.
you need to get leaf spy app and an obd dongle to read the capacity soh etc… 👍
i beat @pinaero dude to first post😂
@@fire_stick Yea, I hope he's ok. :D
Haha yep, it's still crazy how much this battery has degraded. It's almost 1/4th the capacity!
Ouf. That experience.
Not the best lol
Good luck. If you don't need to do a load of miles and can recharge at home then a used first gen Leaf is a great car
Yeah totally. It's great for short commutes, but that's about it.
Good video. Maybe you can get cards from the EV charging companies in New Zealand? I find it easier to use the cards instead of the apps.
Thanks, yeah I ended up ordering key fobs and have had pretty good luck since!
@@NewZeroland that's good. I'm going to Auckland soon. Maybe I'll look for ev chargers.
Unfortunately the original 50kw Chargenet stations can't be upgraded to do $1 a minute idling fees on the newer 75 and 300 units,which is a pain as it would sort out a lot of the parked for the day users.
Aw what?? They removed the idling fees? Well that just killed any desire I had to do road trips again.
Did this car end up working for you? I just bought a 2015 Leaf S with 11 bars and 67.000 miles here in Minneapolis. We only drive about 5,000 miles a year so it is great for commuting and around town. I have three motorcycles and an electric bike. Would like an electric motorcycle.
Nice! Actually no 😂 My range dropped dramatically not long after I made this video, so I'm thinking about selling it. The bikes are more fun anyway.
@@NewZeroland My sidecar RE Interceptor is my main transportation. But I need a car for the wife. Hoping to see Royal Enfield make a classic style electric motorcycle that would take a sidecar. My 2 wheelers mostly collect dust.
Your math is a bit wrong. The leaf says its battery capacity is higher than it actually is. On an older battery when QC'ing it also cant charge as much on the top as it normally can on a QC. Especially when the batterys cold (lower than 6 bars batt temp). Given 5 bars your battery is at 41% health that should be about 9kw.
Ah sweet, good to know. That's still great news for me. Pretty impressive that a heavy Leaf can still go that far on 9kWh.
maybe you should do a diy project battery upgrade on the leaf!? you can put a modern battery in it. lots of videos on youtube here.
It's possible.. someone is selling a battery for $4500, but this is really just a temporary commuter for a year or two. I'm more excited about converting the little car!
Cat at 0:38
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The comment I came to the comments section for 😊
Public charging infrastructure in Melbourne Australia doesn’t have any of those issues.,,,,, because it doesn’t exist! Haha
Ouch HAHAHA.. man I hope things change soon.
5 years of leaf life and 100% home charged apart from the free council L1 chargers in Whangarei. I wouldn't dare take it out of the city 😂 Great cars, hopefully you can find a replacement battery for it someday.
Nice! Yeah man I agree. They're amazing commuters, but for anything else, Tesla is the only way.
mmm lol, the more more I watch, I might just keep my 1997 Geo Prizm and not my a 2014 Leaf, but not paying for gas and setting up solar is would be interesting
The mighty Prizm is hard to beat!
You just need bring a diesel generator with you everywhere just like if you were going through South America.
Nooooo hahahahaha
Wow, very interesting. When you say it has 5 bars, what is the normal? Are there 7bars when the battery is new?
12
Brand new they have 12 bars and a range of around 140km.
EV etiquette!! Need some super mega fast chargers!! And a way to unplug ones already charged. And naughty Evs just parked and not charging!!
Right?? Need a tow truck 😂
@@NewZeroland and what sicko rides a motorbike in the rain??? ( unless caught out, that’s acceptable, or if on holiday and no choice )
7:06 not really... the upper part of the battery doesn't charge as efficiently as the bottom one. That's one of the reasons it slows down.
Yeah it was slow the whole time 😂😭
@@NewZeroland You should have got a power meter and put it at the socket at home. You had the car at 0, that would have been the perfect test. Minus inefficiency.
@@IIARROWStrue.. I was just being cheap and trying to kill two birds while I was already out, but I probably need one of those anyway.
Is it a problem to charge the leaf every day? I got free electricity 9-12 (contact energy) have exactly same battery bars as yours. And just curious how much time (years) the battery will last for? I drive only short distance 25km max per day. Any thoughts?
@@peushan1 nope, you can charge it daily. There's a setting in the menu to only charge to 80% to help the battery last longer, but it'll slowly die anyway. Good luck man!
They never gave the Leaf active liquid cooling so the batteries have a shorter life than other cars. I chose an i3 instead which has similar range but active cooling so it should last much longer in hot climates.
Good call! I like the i3's styling. It's so futuristic and it handles really well.
Great video. The bit about the app not working, especially for tourists, will not be good news for Z and other companies to hear.
Thanks! Yeah Jolt, Z, BP, and OpenLoop so far aren't available for me. I know I could create another account, but I already have too many apps. Why can't they put a card reader on the stations??
@@NewZeroland hate to say it, but you really need a new phone with NZ account. Get on old clunker iPhone off TM, it'll make life easier in the long run. Esp with the number of chargers BP & Z are rolling out now.
@@KiwiShoot yeah.. it might be worth it, sadly.
3:40 it should be a felony to ICE someone out of a charging spot if you are an EV and not an ICE car!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR!
RIGHT?? Tow them lol
@@NewZerolandput "come-along" into the website that finds things...
For the life of me I don't understand why chargers are app based. Just make them like a normal petrol pump that you pay for with a regular old credit card.
Right?? It drives me insane. Just put a card reader on it.
Honestly I’ve had the exact same experience in Colorado and I drive a 2017 Leaf that still has 9 bars. EV etiquette… yeah right lol
Sadness.. I think now that EVs are so popular, it's not just the EV enthusiasts that are buying them.. so we get all the normal douchebag ICE people acting entitled lol.
fun fact: Nissan Leaf's need transmission fluid changes just like Energica bikes do! Our Leaf is due for it's first change at 35,000 miles (I think that's right).
Whoa! I had no idea. This one probably needs that then haha.
@@NewZeroland don't forget to check the 12v battery's due date, most sellers forget to mention that
And, yeah, oof size maximum on the 6kwhr battery...
😂 It's pretty insane that I can still get that much range. Even if I measured wrong and it has 8-10kWh, that's a good sign for the Beat!
Sing out if you need some EV Etiquette cards to slap on peoples windscreens matey. The Better NZ Trust will sort you out. And I agree, Simon is a demented cat.
😂😂😂 Thanks! I need some, for sure.
Some fab points made in the vid, amazing a simple journey becomes a time consuming experience in a region with many (but still not enough) chargers, the issue gets worse when you leave the CBD's. NZ's anemic install of infrastructure (outside CBD's) is horrendous. Example: Taranaki is still in the dark ages with facilities that can be counted on 1 hand. New Plyth to Hawera has nil chargers (unless one wants a 88km round trip diversion from Stratford to Opunake). Waikato to New Plyth is a joke, the unit at Mokau is a 100% guaranteed lengthy wait time.
Lost many hours finding/waiting for charging. Last trip incurred 3hours plus of lost time waiting for chargers. It's not BEV capacity issues, the cars are fab, its long wait times or trying to locate non-faulty chargers to get a top up (not full charge).
'The Lines Company' of Te Kuiti does a fab scheme, they charge users a time fee, so if users 'abandon' their cars for long lunches/shopping/ignorance users are hit in the pocket. Works pretty well, keeps things churning.
NZ needs to pull its finger out to quadruple charging locations (outside of CBD's) to meet current demand let alone the double digit growth if the last few years are an indicator of BEV growth.
Companies using BEV's (for use outside of CBD's) must be losing productivity/time (& staff having their days extend well beyond hours at their expense & loss of personal time) hand over fist.
Well said man! I'm glad more people are making the jump to electric, but the infrastructure can't keep up. For commuting, they're perfect. Long distance trips are hard though. If EVs could charge faster (and the stations could put out more power) so we'd be in an out in 10-15min instead of 30min+, the lines would be shorter and everything would be easier.
Hahahahaha great story. Last weekend we went down to greytown from hamilton- was supposed to have my new byd work car but it never turned up (was forced to take the triton) and I was sad at first but then late Friday night in the wind and rain and darkness I thought.... Where the hell was I supposed to charge down here anyway? There is like one charger within a 30km radius of carterton (don't quote me on that) so it wouldn't have been a great first ev experience.
Oh man! Yeah I think Masterton and Featherston are your only options, and Featherston always seems to be busted. Things need to change asap if we're going to use EVs for long trips. I'm not sure why anybody would buy a non-Tesla at this point. Supercharging is like a different world!
In Europe they FINALLY agreed to vote on forcing charge stations to accept credit cards and NO app/registration. And plugged in without charging is SO expensive people rush to unplug.
Need to wait until 2028 though, but to me this is THE biggest problem riding/driving EVs now: charge app nightmare 😈
That's amazing to hear!! I really hope the rest of the world gets onboard with this.
You make video for energica e bike vs other petrol bike drage race
I would love to do that!
@@NewZeroland thank you sam
Arent there type 2 chargers? We have like 1000 in Berlin/Germany.
Oh yeah those are everywhere, but they're too slow and don't tell you how much power goes in.
Um, did you sell the Tesla then? The fact that you didn’t realise how awful fast charging is in your home city is further proof that 95% of all EV charging happens at home 😊 Mate, you need to talk to me on welly fast charging; I can give you all the tips on how to mostly ignore the nightmare that is welly charging. Mind you, you shouldn’t need to use it now you’ve done your test as you’ll just charge at home. Admittedly I’m a bit on the fringe but, with only 10kms more range than your Leaf, I tour up and down South Island in the winter in my electric camper pretty well. I very rarely have to wait for a charger outside of welly.
Ok we definitely have to chat about more charging options here. The apps are driving me crazy and I don't even feel like road tripping anymore. We still have the Tesla for longer trips and hauling the bikes though! Jenn's driving that so I figured we needed a 2nd running car.
70km? That's like half the range of a Fiat 500e if I recall correctly. that was one of the first EVs I was interested in for running errands, but yeah, I can't charge at home so I gave up on it. I'm amazed you made it as far as you did... actually, why didn't you just count the mileage (kilometerage?) you'd driven that day that you actually ran it to empty? Seemed like a practical test right there.
Good point! I just mapped it out and that was 47km of driving on an estimated 35km. Not bad! It's insane how much the old Leaf batteries degrade. This has to be one of the worst, but it still works great for what I need.
@@NewZeroland Cool! I hope you didn't scrape any kms off on that drive. It's weird because I see so many videos where people EV swap using old Leaf batteries, and yet you'd be lead to think they have the shelf life of old fruit the way they seem to go bad for some people.
@@TheRealAlpha2 oh man, they do. I'm not sure why, either. Leaf batteries degrade soooo badly, and most people attribute that to heat from fast charging them, but I really don't know. I'm excited to use Energica stuff instead.
@@NewZeroland Well now you have the potential for a series on EV swapping the Leaf to better batteries, and then flipping it for profit!
@@TheRealAlpha2 heeyyyy that's not a bad idea!
The pdm is good?
Yep the drivetrain was great. It was just an old battery.
Run a leaf motor to each wheel, awd...
Bwahaha man even 1 Leaf motor is too big and heavy for the Beat.
@@NewZeroland never
You just convinced me to buy a gasoline-powered car and forget all about EVs.
I am a leaf on the wind.
Hi Sam, if you want the dash or stereo converted to English, give me a call. I'm in Wgtn on Tue (Jul 18). Jef has my number. ShaneH
Thanks Shane! All good though.. it's weirdly only in Japanese when there's a warning about low range haha. Everything else is in English.
EV etiquette should be mandated into public chargers. I wanna get so violent on these other EV drivers all the time to the point where I'm probably losing more health owning an EV than sweating a fuel tab every week (to include breathing it). They should just MAKE every station cut you off at 85% automatically (100% only possible at home/non station power), and charge you a $20 an hour idling fee (yes i said it.. designed with the soul purpose of GET THE F***K OFF THE CHARGER). Rant over.
Hahaha yep, I agree man. This has gotten ridiculous. The normal people who aren't EV enthusiasts are driving EVs now so we have stations filled with douchebags. It's gotten to the point where I don't even want to go long distances if it means I have to stop and charge.
@@NewZeroland I actually own a 2015 leaf SV as well. the one with the weird "lizard" pack. I have solemly sworn that if my trip involves cresting the mountain or exceeding 15 miles one way, I just take the bike (which gets laughably better range than the leaf ever could. weight ftw) or drive my MR2. 40mpg and 400 miles will always be worth something to me. especially in a car I will never not like.
This oath was sworn the day I waited for this fat sweaty Tesla prick to hit 100% at a CCS station and then proceeded to find out the chademo end was broken AFTER letting the next guy in line go first (a chevy bolt - who DID have ettiquite btw and suffered with me through that Tesla, got to 80% and then got off for me). turning a 3pm charge attempt into a 930pm self rescue mission.
@@twrcrew8852 Aw man, you're making me miss my MR2. I had a 92 SW20 turbo as my first car in NZ. Ok it didn't get 40mpg but it was such a blast. Another of the many cars I should have never sold.
@@NewZeroland I wish I had an SW20 when there were more of them. Rust ultimately keeps me away from most 90s icons. Currently I am enjoying the 2001 MR-2 spyder with a hard top after a long line of miatas got me into the idea of light weight but they were missing durability and traction only possible in a mid engine. Another channel I follow is redlinericer and he's built himself something that appealed to me. it was a K24 swapped MR2 spyder with 400whp. (like 5.6lbs per hp!). I might get creative with this current car just to experiment, but I recently bought a 1999 TRD GT300 MR-S in Japan (just gotta love those 25 year laws and wait a bit..), once that arrives I can begin tearing apart my current one to be frankensteined out until I figure out what I should have done instead, and then do that to the JDM MR-S.
@@twrcrew8852 OMG GT300 MR-S!! Wow, ok that'll be the coolest car ever. Great find man. As racetracks, hillclimbs, and even autocross events are banning electrics in NZ, I think I'll just keep my Beat as a fun commuter / twisty road car. I will live vicariously through your MR-S stories.
How is that 5 bars?!? Out of 40 maybe?
Right? HAHA I mean 6kWh is 1/4 the size of the original 24kWh, so it should be 3 bars, technically. (A new one has 12 bars).
People are going to be jerks. The only thing that helps is hitting their wallets. Sadly
Yep, bring back idling fees!
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Why would you buy a POS leaf ... lol, there had to be something better out there ...
Is there a better electric car for that much money?
@@NewZeroland well you might have a point, still a POS ... lol I would say used Chevy Bolt if they have them in NZ.
@@ThatGermanFella ahh Bolts never made it to NZ, sadly, and they'd be crazy money here anyway. The next step up would be a first-gen Ioniq, but even those are over $20k.
@@ThatGermanFella If you want a proper cheap used EV in New Zealand, there is only LEAF with very reduced range available so far. You might find an i-MiEV in the same price range if you are lucky, but that's about it.
Why do you have to have that stupid background noise on while we are listening to your voice?......it will be a looooong loooooong time before I indulge in the EV experience judging by the problems some people have.......for now petrol has been a game changer since it took over from the electric offerings in the 1900's.
Background noise? And man 😂 This is the experience in New Zealand when you drive anything that isn't a Tesla. The EV experience varies dramatically.
@@NewZerolandI think he is referring to the copyright free low-fi music. Also I came back here to complain about nearly everyone comparing electric to ICE. Riding and driving isn't always about range and other typical complaints. If I have to watch one more review on an electric motorcycle where they spend a lot of time talking about how there aren't any gears or how they can't get used to no clutch or you can't just fill up in 5 min or less 😤
@@earthwormandruw so true! The driving/riding experience is completely different, and I prefer it. Everybody talks about compromises when it comes to EVs, but never with ICE. I don't want to put up with noises, vibrations, having to shift gears, and toxic fumes just so I can go long distances easier.
@@NewZeroland for me it's no noise, no gears, power delivery, lower maintenance (no more oil changes or valve jobs or spark plugs) and a few others but those are my top reasons and in that order too. Oh and I also prefer both front and rear brakes when they are on the handlebars. I've broken both my ankles now and was still able to ride because of my scooter. I have yet to own an EV but have ridden many. Deeply considering getting the BMW CE 04 soon. Really love your content because you are one of the few who knows EV's and ICE's each have their plusses and minuses and aren't really comparable. I love seeing EV's that are being designed from the ground up instead of trying to fit it into an ICE form factor.
Another well made video, thanks,. I'm not sure about your conclusion of 6kWh battery capacity? A Leaf normally gets around 20+ish kWh/100km, so if you can get 70km range out of it, then you should have around 14kWh left? If it was only 6kWh, then you'd only get about 30km of range. I think you might need to redo your testing? Can you look up the load on your power account when charging at home?
I can try again, but even if that was 40% going in, I'd still have under 10kWh, which makes sense for 5 bars. A full 12 bar Leaf should get 140km+ of range.
I’m in Auckland. Looking at getting a cheap Leaf as a second car for short commutes like yours - to and from work, to the shops and to the gym. This was extremely helpful. Thank you! 🙏
Nice! Glad to help. If you can charge at home, they're totally worth it. Good luck!
NZ is such a backwater. Pretends to be clean and green but can't even get E.V charging right.
They're just catching up to the rest of the world. At least here electricity is generated by 80% renewable sources, so it's pretty clean and green. I'd just recommend charging at home until they sort out the stations.