I have been using several nokia with kaios for almost a year now. In the long run you go crazy. All phones freeze even for the most basic functions like using the phone book. People buy a phone like this so as not to be a slave to technology. But if the phone doesn't work you become a slave in another way..
Qin f21 or f22.....I found it. It's the only brand still making it + all app support Back in the days you had the Samsung and the lg whine. But the lg was the last killer here. But chins still got 1 brand for sale
Ya that’s why my grandmother moved to the Samsung Galaxy Folder 2. It’s basically a smart phone but it has a number keypad and a touch screen. She used to have an iPhone, then she switched to a Nokia Kai os thing because the iPhone was like carrying a brick, but it lagged a lot and she liked answering her phone calls from her car and the Nokia’s Bluetooth never worked. She also liked talking using WhatsApp and LINE which the Nokia only had WhatsApp for texts only. So we switch her to the Folder 2 and she has been amazed by it.
Nokia's flip phone is great. This is a model packed with charm. I'm a Japanese essayist. It's called mikan oshidari（忍足みかん🍊）. I have published a book called [I want to stop being a slave to my smartphone]. I switched to a flip phone because of my smartphone addiction. It's for mental health. It's comfortable to use as a flip phone. But I'm worried about what will happen if flip phones are no longer manufactured due to smartphones. So I'm happy to hear about Nokia's flip phone. Although you can't buy Nokia in Japan. But if flip phones become popular overseas, that wave will probably come to Japan as well. I look forward to that. Flip phones also allowed young Americans to watch the news. I want flip phones to become more popular.
I ordered this 3 months ago on eBay for $91 USD and I am using it here in Canada on the Freedom network but with the Nationwide access I am often on Rogers or Telus with no problems. No issues at all with functionality, and I really like the call quality as well as USB C charging. With KaiOS I can get basic Google maps when needed. I use the browser to save my Facebook Messenger onto the home screen. Allows instant access though it obviously doesn't send notifications. Photos are actually quite good in well-lit conditions and I transfer from the device using Bluetooth. I often use the WiFi Hotspot feature to connect my tablet or computer. As an older person, I really like T9. I actually prefer it to touchscreen keyboards!
Regarding T9, I own Samsung smartphone, and it's keyboard has the option to display the old alphanumeric keypad plus T9, feels almost like retro phone.
Having used my Nokia 2720 Flip 4G for the past 18 months, I can safely skip Nokia 2780 Flip 4G and look forward to their new flip phone coming in 2024.
For those who want to minimize their smartphone usage, don’t throw your smartphone. Instead, use the parental controls and lock it with password that you don’t know. Make someone you trust that will not forget it or let him write it down on a paper and store it in your desk or any accessible place. Block all apps except for the essential ones like phone, sms, maps, camera etc. This is much more convenient since your smartphone will be smoother than any feature phone. As long as you have sms, phone calls and maps, you can do any thing you want. Use your laptop for everything else.
These new Nokia feature phones are perfect for regular phone calls, just like old mobile phones and 100-year-old landline phones. That's one of their main advantages over 'smart' phones. Everyone using a feature phone will know how to hang up. Whenever I have to use a smart phone for a phone call, I have to tell the other side to hang up as I can't figure out how to do it without turning the phone off. It's never one of the obvious buttons, and given that there is usually a screen lock in place I guess it's actually necessary to unlock the phone in order to hang up. Ridiculous. This crappy user experience should never have made it through quality control, and yet it has been absolutely standard for over a decade.
@@rishabh_80winters and that’s exactly why I mentioned the parental lock. You should block every non essential app with a password that you don’t know. You should block the browser too since you will try to login to your social media when you go out if control. The bottom line is, you must have self-control; blocking every distraction will only make you more distracted.
Smartphones are bulky these days (well, always has been but most just gets bigger and bigger), hard to put in most pockets and they're pretty hefty in weight too. Feature phones way more convenient to carry.
Just got one of these and I'm loving the built-in maps and internet radio minus the social media trash. It feels like something out of an imagined future in 2005 where the iPhone never came into existence and Symbian became the dominant platform.
Great that your channel is dedicated to dumbphones & thank-you for this review. I'm glad to see KaiOS developing & improving as a year ago I thought it might die off. This phone looks almost perfect for me. I purchased a new Motorola E30 smartphone (£90) earlier this year as my old phone died & I didn't feel KaiOS was quite there yet, but my 10 month old Motorola is glitching & becoming temperamental already so I'm eyeing up a possible replacement like this. Hopefully Nokia bring it to Europe soon.
My Nokia g50 has been bad since android thirteen update. I'm actually wanting to switch to a Nokia kai os phone. I can't afford apple. Androids glitches have become worse. So that means kai os is my next shot.
It’s so sad to me because Nokia is my favorite brand but kaios spamming me on my Nokia 6300 has me looking for other options in hardware and software. Thank you for the thorough review as always.
This phone seems amazing but the Ads are a gigantic turn off for me and if the ads are directly linked to the Operating System, i unfortunately wont be buying the phone or any KaiOS device, which is a shame because phones like this are exactly what im looking for. I may have to do some research but there are only so few outlets putting anything out for the device. I may just have to try it out myself and see what I can do to minimize or get rid of the ads entirely
KaiOS recommendations. It doesn’t have Spotify or anything like that, but it does have apps like Mocha Radio and Radio Waves which allows you to stream the radio/other internet stations. I use it over the actual FM radio just because it sounds better and it has nearly all local stations.
Excellent review, Jose! Finally a Nokia device with group texts and hotspot AND it works on VZW networks. Maybe if I can get rid of my 6400 4G I'll pickup one of these.
I was excited about this phone until you said you can't remove any of the preinstalled apps. My whole purpose of a dumbphone is to escape google and their products youtube included.
Thanks for the review, it helped me decide to order one of these. I've been looking for a decent dumbphone with just a few extras like a media/podcast player and GPS since I just moved to a new state, and a slightly better camera than VGA. This one seems to check all my boxes, and that red is pretty snazzy. Can't wait to get it :D
I always (lately) keep a work/back up flip.Been using an Alcatel Trac fone flip. It's a $20 burner. Using KaiOS system is good enough for back up. I am going pro active getting a Nokia 2780 which seller says uses Tracfone . Will need their Sim card for sure.
Hi Jose. Great video! I previously owned a Nokia 2720 flip with KaiOS 2.4.x. It was... very unresponsive and laggy to say the least. One time it took at least 10 seconds to open the call log. What a shame, because I loved the device due to how many peculiar features it offered for a flip phone! (Google Assistant for example). If not for the unreliability of the software experience as well as the flimsiness of the keypad, I would have still used it. Have you used the 2780 enough to notice any stutters and lags? Because I just want a phone that is reliable and snappy, and knowing that it has USB C I am tempted to give KaiOS phones a try again. I am currently using the 105 Plus (doesn't have KaiOS) and it's really fast, gets the job done, maybe you could review it on your channel soon?
I was looking on the Nokia website and I saw this, I didn't really see many reviews and I didn't know it was brand new. So I discover your channel through it, And I'm actually thinking about getting this or the 2720. Maybe even OG 3310, just a simple phone for calls and text, plus Nokia makes some okay phones and some bizarre ones too lol
I just bought this phone for my mom. She really likes it! The only problem so far, is that when she receives calls to the people in her contact list their name doesn’t display. How can we fix this issue?
Thanks for the video. I picked one up thinking that because WhatsApp and Google Duo were in the KaiOS store that they would work on this device. The KaiOS store has pretty poor indication of which apps work for which versions (at least that I can tell). WhatsApp even said that the most recent release was November '22. I was pretty disappointed in the build quality (the home button felt like it would wear out pretty quickly), the hinge quality seemed pretty poor, and giving the KaiOS limitations this was a no-go for me. I'm glad you took the time to review it! I threw mine on eBay after a couple hours of messing with it. My issue is that I need simplicity of device without compromising some sort of secure messaging (... maybe the Punkt MP02 is for me...)
Been looking for something like that too. Please do tell me if you've got any leads. I hardly use my phone aside from whatsapp. But I also want it to be a phone from a reliable brand.
Emporia touch smart 2. In Italy 99.9 Amazon. No jokes. Kaios isn t working in Europe they still are at the 2.5 version and as I see here also the 3.1 isn t good.
Thank you for this. I have subscribed because I think your site is likely to be the best for tracking the much needed improvements to KaiOS. I have a 2780. It replaced my ancient 2270 a few months ago when my antique charge hole became defective. Not bad for 20 years but it was made in Finland and now Nokias are made in the far east. I miss the low battery warning of the old Nokia and have to say that the 2780 with KaiOS has very poor battery life, even with little use. The old Nokia would hold a charge for 4 to 5 days but the 2780 depletes in less than 2 and occasionally I go to answer a call and see a notice "In low battery mode". This necessitates a few minutes charging to take the call then getting to full charge is about 30 mins. Mine here in Ireland is not USB C. The old phone and my moody Doro used to show a message waiting icon on the external screen whereas the new one has to be opened and checked. As a phone hater this is not good because it rather like waking up one of the damned smartphones my daughters keep giving me when they upgrade. As a matter of fact I am more than computer savvy and specialize in data recovery as a pension supplement [odd occupation for a retired psychologist] BUT my dislike of smartphones has many causes, not just the addiction element but much more the sealed batteries rendering devices always on in some way or another. Accordingly I keep my own smart phones and those I repair for neighbours in a lead-lined wooden box which belonged to my sailor uncle and the 4 which are mine have dead flat batteries. I keep a Moto 13 in my car just in case of emergency and it is quite good for location but it never comes into the house. The Nokia 2780 would be a rather good dumb phone with better battery life via making KaiOS easier to make 'bare bones', which I hope they will do at long last. Dumb phones are for basic communication and a selection of items the target market of older people (often with some age related audio and visual impairments and sometimes creaky hand joints) thus adding features is the antithesis of necessity. Many elderly people are competent with smart phones but do not want to carry them around and be mugged in the cities. Few street thieves would snatch a dumb phone.
So the unlocked 2780 direct from Nokia has hotspot sharing? I'm seeing reviews on their website that say it doesn't. And the site doesn't list it as a feature.
I just got one and it has the option for hotspot but that goes away when I install my Verizon sim. I’m going to try the hack if I can get Verizon to allow me to receive texts.
Quick update…talked to Verizon customer service twice today and still not receiving texts. I’m supposed to be getting a call this evening to try again but so far, no call. I’m not too hopeful this is going to work. May be returning this thing.
i think kaios will be big if google message is their default message app with rcs support,youtube real app can be navigate via dpad not cursor and improve kai os store
the setting in calendar to toggle specific calendars is not to save to the SD card. Its when you have your calendar synced witht he cloud like google, your various calendars will show here and you can add events to the specific calendar of your choice
Hi Mr Jose, can you do a head-on comparism between Nokia 2720 vs Nokia 2780 just to see the big difference in real use (in Kai 2.5 ft Kai 3.1.0 respectively )
@@JoseBriones I second this request! I'm on Verizon, and I'm considering moving to a dumbphone, but I'm torn between these two devices. I really like the styling of the 2720 V, and I'm concerned that Kai 3.1 might be worse than 2.5. But I do appreciate the upgraded specs on the 2780. Really, what I'd love to see, is a great candybar phone like the 6300 that works on Verizon and is snappy enough to be practical, and also has that sub-$100 price tag.
A good video but I am looking for a deeper dive into the phone setup. There are a large number of tech options in the settings menu. Things such as VoWiFi. Getting it to work correctly which has been a problem. Nokia's tech documentation is very poor to nonexistent.
Thanks so much making this review! I just wanted to clarify on the group messages... I understand that thesubject line is not needed but does the conversation get threaded or does it blast out individual messages to each recipient? Everything I could find online suggests the latter. Also, do you know if it can stream audio content from the web browser with the lid closed like I assume the podcast, radio and music apps do? Thanks so much!
Hi there! Ive been looking for a flip phone that has the basics but that can play music (like youtube music or spotify) without having to keep the flip phone open, do you have any suggestions?
Jose, I just purchased a 2780 from Nokia, and I am wanting to use this as a Wifi Hotspot. Did you ever confirm what carrier allows for the Internet Sharing on this device?
As a KaiOS fan - probably there is no future for KaiOS. Company probably lost they impact, almost nothing new on website, developer tools are not not updated, KaiOS Chief Business Officer go to new job etc. No new applications, KaiOS 3.x is still without updated apps etc. Plus, web-browser on KaiOS 2.5.4 which is the best is more and more outdated. It's a great feature-phone operating system, but something goes wrong once again. I'm hope that i'm wrong.
I'm trying to find something like this for my mother, but it has to have a virtual keyboard for typing texts or emails, since predictive text isn't all that reliable. I'm disappointed that this phone doesn't seem to have that feature, since the front screen looks like it's easily big enough to accommodate that.
Is it only certain carriers that allow the internet sharing? I have mine 2780 activated on ATT and the Internet Sharing option is not in the menu at all under the Network and Connectivity.
What is the sound quality of the recorder? I’m a journalist and I usually record interviews on my phone. If the quality is ok, can you also upload the audio file to a CPU?
lovely video. i'm thinking of getting one for my grandma for christmas and possibly one for myself. kinda sick of iphones. do you think this would work with spectrum wireless? they use verizon towers as well. thanks!
@@JoseBriones okay ! thank you for your quick response. i have two other questions: are you able to apply a wallpaper to the small notification outer-display? and also, can this send and recieve picture messages? thanks so much!
I'm in the age of grandma and looking for anything but a smart phone to make life easier. I had nothing but trouble with Spectrum smart phones and their internet so suggest you get your grandparents away from Spectrum. If I could I'd take a Blackberry over all cell phones. CIAO
Excellent video, thankyou! I've been waiting for reviews on this device and was glad to see yours. I have a question about the sonim xp3 plus. It's a device I'd love to upgrade to as my link 2 from consumer cellular is really cheaply made. Where do I find one of these? I've only seen some sketchy eBay listings for carrier locked devices, and I don't see anything on the website. Can this device be purchased in the u.s for use on att/cc?
one big thing you forgot in this video, and probably the most important thing abut flip phones how dramatic does it sound when you slam the phone shut after an angry call?
Hi, could you please share to us what’s your experience when you use this phone to share internet and/or to have it do wifi hotspot? Was it fast and okay?
I didn't see this really mentioned/talked about in the video, but how customizable is the LOOK of Kai OS? I know you mentioned you can change the wallpaper, but can you change the overall colors of the menu (ie instead of having icons on a black screen, can you switch it to white?) And is the front screen of the Nokia 2780 customizable at all? Are you able to change the text font like you could on old flip phones? Also, you mentioned in your Schok Classic Flip video that that phone can do actual step by step navigation even with the phone closed iirc, like if you need directions while driving. Can the Nokia 2780 also do that or no? Thank you!!
4:40 Only English and Spanish. I wonder if that's the reason why it isn't sold in Canada (no French). As a matter of fact, the entire new Nokia range is unobtanium in Canada these days.
The Alcatel Go Flip 3 that ran Kai OS 2.5.2. I noticed you demonstrated T9 predictive in the message app. Kai OS 2.5.2 has Google Assistant and speech-to-text on several apps including messages. Does Kai OS 3.0 still have speech-to-text?
Thank you! One more stupid question. Is there a way to track the phone? On my iPhone I have life 360 app so friends and family can track me if I’m hunting or fishing and not responding. I’m looking to completely ditch my iPhone this year
I need help with KaiOS in a feature phone. If i am making a call to the bank and the bank send an OTP (one time password) to my phone, how can i minimize the call interface and view the message, then navigate back to the call screen again to key in the password?
I enabled some settings and can't find how to disable them because I can't find the settings. I have to manually download MMS and gifs ect to see them now. Whenever I text or am texted it makes a annoying sound and I can't find the settings to change it or disable it.
@@JoseBriones on the Nokia website there is a model 2760. but there is no model 2780. By the way, what is the difference between them? because 60 dollars is a significant difference.
12:59 So if 2780 doesn't require the subject line for proper group messaging, does the 2720? I'm watching many reviews which claim the 2720 requires the space in the subject line, but it could be bc these reviews are from a time with an older version of KaiOS... Please help, thanks
2:41 You said you can't remove them, which definitely means they can't be uninstalled, but can you still disable them? 7:06 This is the norm on all free apps anyway regardless of OS.
The one I purchased internationally didn't, even though it said it was unlocked. Getting a refund thankfully, and obviously the seller was at fault! I took the risk. But just putting this here as a heads up to anyone else, if you buy this internationally it may not work in your area even if it says unlocked. Hard to get confirmation from any sellers about bands this one is compatible with. @@JoseBriones
It didn't just for future reference and anyone else watching. No criticism of you Jose, but just a heads up if you have one advertised as unlocked it may not work in Australia!
Loved the video, I was eagerly waiting for this particular walkthrough. Idk if its gonna come out in my country.... But if it does I'm definitely getting this one. I wished it had whatsapp and spotify but nevertheless it is still great. Since India has no good dumb/flip phones except Nokia 2660 flip, I really hope his one comes out. I wished other companies showed their interest in Indian market cause dumbphone market is huge but all of them are like from 2010s. . Lovely video. Have a wonderful weekend.
@@uvotmin Are you sure? Because I heard that earlier, WhatsApp was not there for KaiOS 3.0 but I just checked the official WhatsApp website and they've written that WhastApp is available for KaiOS 2.5+. Can you confirm?
@@siddddddddddddddkai OS 3 doesn't support WhatsApp but 2.2 to 2.5 support WhatsApp. I'm suggest to use WhatsApp using web browser but nobody reply me yet whether they can use or not
Informative, simple, to-the-point, everything I want out of a review video. I just ordered mine off eBay yesterday and cannot wait for it to arrive!
I have been using several nokia with kaios for almost a year now. In the long run you go crazy. All phones freeze even for the most basic functions like using the phone book. People buy a phone like this so as not to be a slave to technology. But if the phone doesn't work you become a slave in another way..
Yes. This is true of version 2.X. KaiOS 3.0 and above has improved significantly.
This applies to any kai os phone, i was using Energizer phones n it was so painful that i turned back to basic nokia
Does it have whatapp? You're experience seems quite terrible tho.....
They need to make these with android again
Qin f21 or f22.....I found it. It's the only brand still making it + all app support
Back in the days you had the Samsung and the lg whine.
But the lg was the last killer here.
But chins still got 1 brand for sale
Ya that’s why my grandmother moved to the Samsung Galaxy Folder 2. It’s basically a smart phone but it has a number keypad and a touch screen. She used to have an iPhone, then she switched to a Nokia Kai os thing because the iPhone was like carrying a brick, but it lagged a lot and she liked answering her phone calls from her car and the Nokia’s Bluetooth never worked. She also liked talking using WhatsApp and LINE which the Nokia only had WhatsApp for texts only. So we switch her to the Folder 2 and she has been amazed by it.
Nokia's flip phone is great. This is a model packed with charm. I'm a Japanese essayist. It's called mikan oshidari（忍足みかん🍊）. I have published a book called [I want to stop being a slave to my smartphone]. I switched to a flip phone because of my smartphone addiction. It's for mental health. It's comfortable to use as a flip phone. But I'm worried about what will happen if flip phones are no longer manufactured due to smartphones. So I'm happy to hear about Nokia's flip phone. Although you can't buy Nokia in Japan. But if flip phones become popular overseas, that wave will probably come to Japan as well. I look forward to that. Flip phones also allowed young Americans to watch the news. I want flip phones to become more popular.
I appreciate the quality of your content, especially given that it applies to a very niche audience. Great channel my brother 💪🏽🇺🇸😊
Just doing my part :)
@@JoseBriones thankyou for your hardwork ❤️ i really enjoy it..! Basic phone, calm ambience, clear explanation *cheff kiss
6:40 That's a deal breaker right there! I'm looking for a phone I don't have to smash because it annoys me!
I ordered this 3 months ago on eBay for $91 USD and I am using it here in Canada on the Freedom network but with the Nationwide access I am often on Rogers or Telus with no problems. No issues at all with functionality, and I really like the call quality as well as USB C charging. With KaiOS I can get basic Google maps when needed. I use the browser to save my Facebook Messenger onto the home screen. Allows instant access though it obviously doesn't send notifications. Photos are actually quite good in well-lit conditions and I transfer from the device using Bluetooth. I often use the WiFi Hotspot feature to connect my tablet or computer. As an older person, I really like T9. I actually prefer it to touchscreen keyboards!
Regarding T9, I own Samsung smartphone, and it's keyboard has the option to display the old alphanumeric keypad plus T9, feels almost like retro phone.
@@erick-gd7wo I wasn't aware of that option!
Can you running WhatsApp web?
Does support whatsapp?
@@elleysazainudin982 No it doesn't.
Literally couldn’t care less about this stuff but the quality of the content keeps me subscribed
Honestly looks like a great phone to give to my grandparents, handing them a regular smartphone was my big mistake lmao
Lol!
What happened?
Lol what happened with them?
Having used my Nokia 2720 Flip 4G for the past 18 months, I can safely skip Nokia 2780 Flip 4G and look forward to their new flip phone coming in 2024.
For those who want to minimize their smartphone usage, don’t throw your smartphone. Instead, use the parental controls and lock it with password that you don’t know. Make someone you trust that will not forget it or let him write it down on a paper and store it in your desk or any accessible place. Block all apps except for the essential ones like phone, sms, maps, camera etc. This is much more convenient since your smartphone will be smoother than any feature phone. As long as you have sms, phone calls and maps, you can do any thing you want. Use your laptop for everything else.
I don't know kai os is pretty light. That's what makes Linux so nice.
These new Nokia feature phones are perfect for regular phone calls, just like old mobile phones and 100-year-old landline phones. That's one of their main advantages over 'smart' phones. Everyone using a feature phone will know how to hang up.
Whenever I have to use a smart phone for a phone call, I have to tell the other side to hang up as I can't figure out how to do it without turning the phone off. It's never one of the obvious buttons, and given that there is usually a screen lock in place I guess it's actually necessary to unlock the phone in order to hang up. Ridiculous. This crappy user experience should never have made it through quality control, and yet it has been absolutely standard for over a decade.
I have tried everything. As long as you have a smartphone you will get back to mindless scrolling - eventually.
@@rishabh_80winters
and that’s exactly why I mentioned the parental lock. You should block every non essential app with a password that you don’t know. You should block the browser too since you will try to login to your social media when you go out if control.
The bottom line is, you must have self-control; blocking every distraction will only make you more distracted.
Smartphones are bulky these days (well, always has been but most just gets bigger and bigger), hard to put in most pockets and they're pretty hefty in weight too. Feature phones way more convenient to carry.
KaiOS looks much faster now. Shame there are no KaiOS 3.1 devices in the UK. Also the non-availabity of WhatsApp is a downer.
Just got one of these and I'm loving the built-in maps and internet radio minus the social media trash. It feels like something out of an imagined future in 2005 where the iPhone never came into existence and Symbian became the dominant platform.
Great that your channel is dedicated to dumbphones & thank-you for this review. I'm glad to see KaiOS developing & improving as a year ago I thought it might die off. This phone looks almost perfect for me. I purchased a new Motorola E30 smartphone (£90) earlier this year as my old phone died & I didn't feel KaiOS was quite there yet, but my 10 month old Motorola is glitching & becoming temperamental already so I'm eyeing up a possible replacement like this. Hopefully Nokia bring it to Europe soon.
My Nokia g50 has been bad since android thirteen update. I'm actually wanting to switch to a Nokia kai os phone. I can't afford apple. Androids glitches have become worse. So that means kai os is my next shot.
I don't need anything else except WhatsApp but can kaios 3.x running WhatsApp web?
finally you review nokia 2780, i was really looking forward to it. I like your video review, very detailed. that's good.
It’s so sad to me because Nokia is my favorite brand but kaios spamming me on my Nokia 6300 has me looking for other options in hardware and software. Thank you for the thorough review as always.
I wonder if there are ways to debloat it from apps that spam ads and install other apps created by users that do the same bit with no spam on KaiOS.
What do you mean spamming? Are all the apps showing ads?
@@La_verdad_es_libertadyep get random ads all the time on my 8110.
uh oh...I bought this for my mom who has dementia...and ads will confuse her, thank you for the headsup
This phone seems amazing but the Ads are a gigantic turn off for me and if the ads are directly linked to the Operating System, i unfortunately wont be buying the phone or any KaiOS device, which is a shame because phones like this are exactly what im looking for. I may have to do some research but there are only so few outlets putting anything out for the device. I may just have to try it out myself and see what I can do to minimize or get rid of the ads entirely
ADVERTISEMENTS? IN THE OS? From what looked like the perfect phone to break away from the digital life... this is a joke
KaiOS recommendations. It doesn’t have Spotify or anything like that, but it does have apps like Mocha Radio and Radio Waves which allows you to stream the radio/other internet stations. I use it over the actual FM radio just because it sounds better and it has nearly all local stations.
Excellent review, Jose! Finally a Nokia device with group texts and hotspot AND it works on VZW networks. Maybe if I can get rid of my 6400 4G I'll pickup one of these.
A customizable key is always nice, especially when you want to fast call for an emergency.
I was excited about this phone until you said you can't remove any of the preinstalled apps. My whole purpose of a dumbphone is to escape google and their products youtube included.
Thanks for the review, it helped me decide to order one of these. I've been looking for a decent dumbphone with just a few extras like a media/podcast player and GPS since I just moved to a new state, and a slightly better camera than VGA. This one seems to check all my boxes, and that red is pretty snazzy. Can't wait to get it :D
I always (lately) keep a work/back up flip.Been using an Alcatel Trac fone flip. It's a $20 burner. Using KaiOS system is good enough for back up. I am going pro active getting a Nokia 2780 which seller says uses Tracfone . Will need their Sim card for sure.
Hi Jose. Great video! I previously owned a Nokia 2720 flip with KaiOS 2.4.x. It was... very unresponsive and laggy to say the least. One time it took at least 10 seconds to open the call log. What a shame, because I loved the device due to how many peculiar features it offered for a flip phone! (Google Assistant for example). If not for the unreliability of the software experience as well as the flimsiness of the keypad, I would have still used it.
Have you used the 2780 enough to notice any stutters and lags? Because I just want a phone that is reliable and snappy, and knowing that it has USB C I am tempted to give KaiOS phones a try again. I am currently using the 105 Plus (doesn't have KaiOS) and it's really fast, gets the job done, maybe you could review it on your channel soon?
There is an update for the 2720 it does not lag as much now.
Do you use WhatsApp? Kai OS 3 doesn't support WhatsApp
@@boboboy8189 I did, but it was terrible. T9 typing isn't great, and call quality was subpar.
looks like it now has support with KaiOS 3.1 @@boboboy8189
How many speed dial numbers can you put in this phone?
From 2-9 buttons you can set up speed dial.
@@JoseBriones Thanks my friend!!
Does Kai OS track your info ?? It isn't a smart phone but it is kinda smart and Google is involved which makes me skeptical on that issue
I was looking on the Nokia website and I saw this, I didn't really see many reviews and I didn't know it was brand new. So I discover your channel through it, And I'm actually thinking about getting this or the 2720. Maybe even OG 3310, just a simple phone for calls and text, plus Nokia makes some okay phones and some bizarre ones too lol
I just bought this phone for my mom. She really likes it! The only problem so far, is that when she receives calls to the people in her contact list their name doesn’t display. How can we fix this issue?
Thanks for the video. I picked one up thinking that because WhatsApp and Google Duo were in the KaiOS store that they would work on this device. The KaiOS store has pretty poor indication of which apps work for which versions (at least that I can tell). WhatsApp even said that the most recent release was November '22. I was pretty disappointed in the build quality (the home button felt like it would wear out pretty quickly), the hinge quality seemed pretty poor, and giving the KaiOS limitations this was a no-go for me. I'm glad you took the time to review it! I threw mine on eBay after a couple hours of messing with it. My issue is that I need simplicity of device without compromising some sort of secure messaging (... maybe the Punkt MP02 is for me...)
Been looking for something like that too. Please do tell me if you've got any leads.
I hardly use my phone aside from whatsapp. But I also want it to be a phone from a reliable brand.
The whole point of kaios is it is cheap and limited so don't expect much
Emporia touch smart 2. In Italy 99.9 Amazon. No jokes. Kaios isn t working in Europe they still are at the 2.5 version and as I see here also the 3.1 isn t good.
Thank you for this. I have subscribed because I think your site is likely to be the best for tracking the much needed improvements to KaiOS.
I have a 2780. It replaced my ancient 2270 a few months ago when my antique charge hole became defective. Not bad for 20 years but it was made in Finland and now Nokias are made in the far east.
I miss the low battery warning of the old Nokia and have to say that the 2780 with KaiOS has very poor battery life, even with little use. The old Nokia would hold a charge for 4 to 5 days but the 2780 depletes in less than 2 and occasionally I go to answer a call and see a notice "In low battery mode". This necessitates a few minutes charging to take the call then getting to full charge is about 30 mins. Mine here in Ireland is not USB C.
The old phone and my moody Doro used to show a message waiting icon on the external screen whereas the new one has to be opened and checked. As a phone hater this is not good because it rather like waking up one of the damned smartphones my daughters keep giving me when they upgrade. As a matter of fact I am more than computer savvy and specialize in data recovery as a pension supplement [odd occupation for a retired psychologist] BUT my dislike of smartphones has many causes, not just the addiction element but much more the sealed batteries rendering devices always on in some way or another. Accordingly I keep my own smart phones and those I repair for neighbours in a lead-lined wooden box which belonged to my sailor uncle and the 4 which are mine have dead flat batteries. I keep a Moto 13 in my car just in case of emergency and it is quite good for location but it never comes into the house.
The Nokia 2780 would be a rather good dumb phone with better battery life via making KaiOS easier to make 'bare bones', which I hope they will do at long last. Dumb phones are for basic communication and a selection of items the target market of older people (often with some age related audio and visual impairments and sometimes creaky hand joints) thus adding features is the antithesis of necessity.
Many elderly people are competent with smart phones but do not want to carry them around and be mugged in the cities. Few street thieves would snatch a dumb phone.
The battery life is great, it will last for days of use on a single charge. I also appreciate the Internet sharing option that this device supports.
So the unlocked 2780 direct from Nokia has hotspot sharing? I'm seeing reviews on their website that say it doesn't. And the site doesn't list it as a feature.
Some providers block it via SIM card, but you can always access it via this github website: ivan-hc.github.io/bananahackers/hotspot-4-jio-phone.html
@@JoseBriones thank you!
I just got one and it has the option for hotspot but that goes away when I install my Verizon sim. I’m going to try the hack if I can get Verizon to allow me to receive texts.
@@west5757 I’m on AT&T but still interested to hear how this goes. Mine is in the mail on the way, keep us updated if you get the chance.
Quick update…talked to Verizon customer service twice today and still not receiving texts. I’m supposed to be getting a call this evening to try again but so far, no call. I’m not too hopeful this is going to work. May be returning this thing.
i think kaios will be big if google message is their default message app with rcs support,youtube real app can be navigate via dpad not cursor and improve kai os store
the setting in calendar to toggle specific calendars is not to save to the SD card. Its when you have your calendar synced witht he cloud like google, your various calendars will show here and you can add events to the specific calendar of your choice
Hi Mr Jose, can you do a head-on comparism between Nokia 2720 vs Nokia 2780 just to see the big difference in real use (in Kai 2.5 ft Kai 3.1.0 respectively
)
I'll put that in my next comparison video list :)
@@JoseBriones I second this request! I'm on Verizon, and I'm considering moving to a dumbphone, but I'm torn between these two devices. I really like the styling of the 2720 V, and I'm concerned that Kai 3.1 might be worse than 2.5. But I do appreciate the upgraded specs on the 2780. Really, what I'd love to see, is a great candybar phone like the 6300 that works on Verizon and is snappy enough to be practical, and also has that sub-$100 price tag.
It looks better than many smart phones
Nokia is back to retake the throne.
A good video but I am looking for a deeper dive into the phone setup. There are a large number of tech options in the settings menu. Things such as
VoWiFi. Getting it to work correctly which has been a problem. Nokia's tech documentation is very poor to nonexistent.
I'd like to see this too, as I'd definitely need help with it.
Jose, thank you for this review. Would this phone work on Google Fi?
Thanks so much making this review! I just wanted to clarify on the group messages... I understand that thesubject line is not needed but does the conversation get threaded or does it blast out individual messages to each recipient? Everything I could find online suggests the latter.
Also, do you know if it can stream audio content from the web browser with the lid closed like I assume the podcast, radio and music apps do?
Thanks so much!
Threaded. No audio with lid closed from the browser. Yes from apps though.
Hi there! Ive been looking for a flip phone that has the basics but that can play music (like youtube music or spotify) without having to keep the flip phone open, do you have any suggestions?
Following. That is a drawback on the 2780
Jose, I just purchased a 2780 from Nokia, and I am wanting to use this as a Wifi Hotspot. Did you ever confirm what carrier allows for the Internet Sharing on this device?
I have AT&T and hotspot option goes away when SIM card is inserted! AT&T and Nokia both say it should work, I’ve tried 3 different phones so far!
@@philbowman2950 I have T-Mobile. Hotspot working perfectly with this device. Switch carries, totally worth it. much cheaper too.
Please where do you find the out box?
Would like to get one. Can't see a way to get them now in Ireland.
Can I use it to act as a hotspot for my iPad ?
Can you remove any social media apps that are pre installed?
so glad this version has hotspot! i have the 2760 and i think this line is the perfect flip phone! just wish the 2760 had hotspot.
If you use a hack from github, the 2760 has hotspot. It’s a web browser shortcut for KaiOS
Does anyone know if this is coming to Australia? I would love to have one of these instead of the other Flip Phone that we have which is the 2660.
Can you do a comparison of Nokia 2780 and Cat22s? If not what are the main differences?
As a KaiOS fan - probably there is no future for KaiOS. Company probably lost they impact, almost nothing new on website, developer tools are not not updated, KaiOS Chief Business Officer go to new job etc. No new applications, KaiOS 3.x is still without updated apps etc. Plus, web-browser on KaiOS 2.5.4 which is the best is more and more outdated. It's a great feature-phone operating system, but something goes wrong once again. I'm hope that i'm wrong.
Is this near to identical to a cricket debut flip?
How do you get all the stuff from your old phone to this phone?
What's the real difference between the 2760 and the 2780 ?
Price and SD card
I'm trying to find something like this for my mother, but it has to have a virtual keyboard for typing texts or emails, since predictive text isn't all that reliable. I'm disappointed that this phone doesn't seem to have that feature, since the front screen looks like it's easily big enough to accommodate that.
Does the maps give voice instructions or just visuals?
Just a step by step list.
Hi Jose, if anyone asks you the T9 Predictive Text does not provide a Spanish Dictionary, so a Nokia 2780 owner can´t text in Predictive Spanish.
Is it only certain carriers that allow the internet sharing? I have mine 2780 activated on ATT and the Internet Sharing option is not in the menu at all under the Network and Connectivity.
Hi thank you for the review!! I have a question! this phone can connect to garmin watch???
It cannot
What is the sound quality of the recorder? I’m a journalist and I usually record interviews on my phone. If the quality is ok, can you also upload the audio file to a CPU?
How do I activate or add a hotspot feature for this phone?
How to make the caller ID Name shown besides phone number on lid of Nokia 2780 when receiving a call from my contact listing? Thank you.
Thanks for this video. I just lost my iphone 14 so I'm in the market for a feature phone. Looks like this is at the top of my list.
lovely video. i'm thinking of getting one for my grandma for christmas and possibly one for myself. kinda sick of iphones. do you think this would work with spectrum wireless? they use verizon towers as well. thanks!
Probably won't work as they usually only take smartphones.
@@JoseBriones okay ! thank you for your quick response.
i have two other questions: are you able to apply a wallpaper to the small notification outer-display?
and also, can this send and recieve picture messages?
thanks so much!
I'm in the age of grandma and looking for anything but a smart phone to make life easier. I had nothing but trouble with Spectrum smart phones and their internet so suggest you get your grandparents away from Spectrum.
If I could I'd take a Blackberry over all cell phones. CIAO
Excellent video, thankyou! I've been waiting for reviews on this device and was glad to see yours. I have a question about the sonim xp3 plus. It's a device I'd love to upgrade to as my link 2 from consumer cellular is really cheaply made. Where do I find one of these? I've only seen some sketchy eBay listings for carrier locked devices, and I don't see anything on the website. Can this device be purchased in the u.s for use on att/cc?
XP3 can be found on Amazon. XP3 Plus from sonim directly.
one big thing you forgot in this video, and probably the most important thing abut flip phones
how dramatic does it sound when you slam the phone shut after an angry call?
hi! i recently purchased this but there are missing preinstalled apps that I would like to have, any advice would be great. thanks
Hi, could you please share to us what’s your experience when you use this phone to share internet and/or to have it do wifi hotspot? Was it fast and okay?
It was a 7/10 for short periods of time. It’s decent speed and it works. But it’s not great after 45 minutes as the phone gets a bit warm.
I didn't see this really mentioned/talked about in the video, but how customizable is the LOOK of Kai OS? I know you mentioned you can change the wallpaper, but can you change the overall colors of the menu (ie instead of having icons on a black screen, can you switch it to white?) And is the front screen of the Nokia 2780 customizable at all? Are you able to change the text font like you could on old flip phones?
Also, you mentioned in your Schok Classic Flip video that that phone can do actual step by step navigation even with the phone closed iirc, like if you need directions while driving. Can the Nokia 2780 also do that or no?
Thank you!!
Yes on the maps thing. Not really customizable at all except for moving icons and wallpaper.
@@JoseBriones Ahh I see. Thank you for answering!! :)
4:40 Only English and Spanish. I wonder if that's the reason why it isn't sold in Canada (no French). As a matter of fact, the entire new Nokia range is unobtanium in Canada these days.
Compatible with boost mobile? (Under Sprint network)
The Alcatel Go Flip 3 that ran Kai OS 2.5.2. I noticed you demonstrated T9 predictive in the message app. Kai OS 2.5.2 has Google Assistant and speech-to-text on several apps including messages. Does Kai OS 3.0 still have speech-to-text?
No. KaiOS lacks speech to text.
Thanks. The loss of speech to text and Google Assistant are a few of the reasons we have kept the Go Flip 3.
@@legend24444same here
When listening to music and podcasts, how is the sound quality?
It's fine. I'd say 7.5/10
@@JoseBriones Great! thanks, it was hard to find info about that
Is there an option for Family Link or Life360 or other app for tracking a kid? Thinking about this one for a starter phone for kids.
None of that on this device. You'll need the CAT S22 Flip for something like tracking.
Questions would you be able to download life360?
Not on this phone.
Finally found a review of this new nokia flip.
Does this phone support Tracfone? Also is the KaiOS Store available for this phone?
The Nokia website says Tracfone support, and all KaiOS phones have access to the KaiOS Store.
Hi! Jose, does this phone have mobile Hotspot so I can tether to my smartphone when needed?
Besides for light phone, does any have mobile Hotspot? Ty!
OK nm I hear it does. Next question is it possible to block all internet on it? And is it 5g?
Can you link Bluetooth headphones? I’m not sure if you mentioned it and I missed it or not..
Yes. You can
Thank you! One more stupid question. Is there a way to track the phone? On my iPhone I have life 360 app so friends and family can track me if I’m hunting or fishing and not responding. I’m looking to completely ditch my iPhone this year
Does this phone have a mini simcard slot or does it take only regular sized simcard?
Nano SIM.
Almost all modern phones have moved to Nano SIMS
how clear is the earpiece
How do you turn off the call limit on this phone. I've been trying for a while 😢
Hello thank you for the video. Is it better than 2720?
Yes. It is faster and more reliable. It doesn't have WhatsApp though.
I need help with KaiOS in a feature phone. If i am making a call to the bank and the bank send an OTP (one time password) to my phone, how can i minimize the call interface and view the message, then navigate back to the call screen again to key in the password?
Do you know of any clever ways to do a factory reset on this phone? Forgotten pin, putting in the code on emergency calls do not work.
does anyone know when it is available in canada?
For the TH-cam app, does the app still run/play when you have the phone closed?
No. It doesn't.
i live in the uk is there a way to "unlock it" or make it sim free to put in my uk sim card?
Phone comes unlocked. If you import it, you can use it in the UK most likely.
How do you receive photos from people via text? It keeps saying it has to be downloaded but it wont let me. HELLLLLLP!!!!!
Does it show the map on the front screen when you close the phone?
No
Thanks! The only thing I wanted to know is if it has a Hotspot. You resolved my confusion. Now I wait for its release in India.
I don't think it's going to be released outside US. And India has 2660 flip.
I enabled some settings and can't find how to disable them because I can't find the settings.
I have to manually download MMS and gifs ect to see them now.
Whenever I text or am texted it makes a annoying sound and I can't find the settings to change it or disable it.
Can this be used as bluetooth piece connecting to my android phone so can use this to accept calls or quick dials
No.
@@JoseBriones wish could have a dummy to use like that
how is the hotspot? did anyone run a speedtest with hotspot, directly and on a modern phone?
It tops at 5-10 down and 1-5 up
@@JoseBriones yes but did you test the simcard on a normal phone too?
how is it different from 2760 flip? and where can i buy it?
You can buy it from nokia.com and it has an SD card and comes unlocked. Those are the only differences.
@@JoseBriones on the Nokia website there is a model 2760. but there is no model 2780. By the way, what is the difference between them? because 60 dollars is a significant difference.
how fast is the hotspot?
12:59 So if 2780 doesn't require the subject line for proper group messaging, does the 2720?
I'm watching many reviews which claim the 2720 requires the space in the subject line, but it could be bc these reviews are from a time with an older version of KaiOS...
Please help, thanks
2720 requires a subject line for group texts.
Thank you for your reply. If 2720 and 2780 both run the same KaiOS version, why is the subject line an issue?
This phone is hard to find from where did you get it?
Official Nokia store
target and walmart
2:41 You said you can't remove them, which definitely means they can't be uninstalled, but can you still disable them?
7:06 This is the norm on all free apps anyway regardless of OS.
You cannot disable them sadly.
@@JoseBriones That's dumber than the dumb in dumbphone. Thanks for the quick response.
Do you know if this will work with a common Australian sim card (in Australia)? Thanks for your content!
It should.
The one I purchased internationally didn't, even though it said it was unlocked. Getting a refund thankfully, and obviously the seller was at fault! I took the risk. But just putting this here as a heads up to anyone else, if you buy this internationally it may not work in your area even if it says unlocked. Hard to get confirmation from any sellers about bands this one is compatible with. @@JoseBriones
It didn't just for future reference and anyone else watching. No criticism of you Jose, but just a heads up if you have one advertised as unlocked it may not work in Australia!
Loved the video, I was eagerly waiting for this particular walkthrough. Idk if its gonna come out in my country.... But if it does I'm definitely getting this one. I wished it had whatsapp and spotify but nevertheless it is still great. Since India has no good dumb/flip phones except Nokia 2660 flip, I really hope his one comes out. I wished other companies showed their interest in Indian market cause dumbphone market is huge but all of them are like from 2010s.
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Lovely video. Have a wonderful weekend.
it does have whatsapp
@@uvotmin Are you sure? Because I heard that earlier, WhatsApp was not there for KaiOS 3.0 but I just checked the official WhatsApp website and they've written that WhastApp is available for KaiOS 2.5+. Can you confirm?
@@siddddddddddddddkai OS 3 doesn't support WhatsApp but 2.2 to 2.5 support WhatsApp. I'm suggest to use WhatsApp using web browser but nobody reply me yet whether they can use or not