This is the first of 3 videos showing the TRUE Origins of the Original Star Trek Crew. These Videos uses clips from actual episodes and movies of Star Trek to prove that Star Trek XI got it completely wrong.
Enjoyed this. My view is that Jim was on Tarsus for "summer camp". That is, as someone itching to get out into space, his parents might have arranged for him to have a trip to a colony to experience something new.
Has anyone here noticed that Stephen Brooks (who played "Ensign Garrovick") in "Obsession" also plays one of the dead red-shirts earlier in the same episode?
Considering the fact this series only had three seasons, never had great primetime ratings, received little support from NBC, and produced a third season filled with episodes which bordered on flat out AWFUL, Star Trek sure had an amazingly powerful impact on the entire world! At 2:32-- Written before DNA testing became a normal fact of every day life. Whoops... Lol!
That's because STTOS was simply a vehicle for morality plays that Roddenberry was hoping to get by the censors in the guise of SciFi...the plots of the best episodes still resonate today and hold up well because the morality hasn't changed...we all can still understand the message implied...
DNA can be damaged or destroyed, and in the case of large explosions or collapsed buildings, a person can be presumed dead with no trace of their body being identified.
Those who study forensic science or the law should know that eyewitness testimony is terribly unreliable, especially 20 years after being a minor. No, the problem is that they found a picture of Kodos (and a recording of his speech). If people like Kirk, who were kids at the time, were the only ones to see him, then it implies there were no pictures of the governor, or DNA on file. In a technologically sophisticated society, people shouldn't be able to disappear into another identity, (or in the case of _Babylon 5_ be a leading industrialist and richest man on Mars with no photos existing of him). Any authority doing a background check of the troupe of actors should have found that Anton Karidian had no history before the Tarsus IV massacre of 4000 colonists. It would have been better if this person had always been Anton Karidian. That he was on the colony and took charge, assuming the role of "Governor Kodos" (masked) for the duration of the crisis, executed half the colonists, then returned to his original identity, with only a few kids seeing him unmasked. Maybe there could have been sketches or composite sketches by artists based on the traumatized children's testimony, that appeared on the view screen. So do that and take away the picture and voice recording and that would leave us with just a trail of bodies of the witnesses matching the movements of the theater troupe and Kirk and Riley's traumatic memories. Best bet would still be to call out the killer as was done. Would Spock have done a mind meld as happened in _Star Trek VI?_ On what grounds?
Another error at 6:53. You cite that in the episode "Obsession" was the "last adventure" referencing Star Fleet Academy. However, in a later epsisode in season two "The Ultimate Computer" Kirk is called Captain Dunsel as he is described from "midshipmen at the academy" as a part that serves no purpose or is obsolete.
I never said it was his only adventure in the academy. I only used the most important parts of his past. These are the adventures that shaped who the real Captain Kirk was.
WAIT! What's up with this? Why did you splice in the "get a tractor beam" sequence from "The Immunity Syndrome" into the "Deadly Years" segment at 6:15? Makes zero sense. Note: Kirk was wearing different uniforms in these segments!
People in Hollywood like to boast that they make TV shows and movies without watching what came before, whether a stage play, TV show or previous movie. The latest is making the movie _Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness_ without watching _WandaVision._
Yes I started watching the original star trek when I was in the second grade and I enjoyed it. I have always liked it cause I like some science things.
When _Enterprise_ was in the works, I went back and watched or looked-up everything that was said to have happened 100 years earlier, with ships disappearing and the Romulan-Earth War. But it didn't matter because they just did what they felt like as if it was 30 years before Kirk and they had transporter technology for equipment. So I skipped it. When they did the reboot, they ignored Kirk's history as laid out in TOS. So his brother wasn't around and they just found his later bridge crew and put them there much earlier and before they earned it. In Season 1 a lot of people didn't work out on the bridge like in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Balance of Terror." Every time I read about them wanting to do a "Starfleet Academy" show with Kirk and Spock I want to vomit as I can't see them being at the Academy at the same time, and Bones was not an academy graduate, but was commissioned as a surgeon, like all those women scientist lieutenants we saw.
Nice way to throw a blurb of a novel published in 2018 in comments to a video made in 2015, without giving relevant information. The synopsis on Fandom site said Kirk broke into a computer before it was purged to get a photo to go with the name, but doesn't say why he was there as a thirteen-year-old.
@@sandal_thong8631 Ok let me say this I hate Discovery and Kurtsman cant go F himself what he did to Star Trek but according to the book Kirk's mom was station there for short time while his dad was away on a mission. Thats according to the book.
@@livingtonu OK, thanks. Better than the speculation that he was sent to "colony camp" like another poster said as if it were fact, or that he was a lieutenant in Star Fleet and Spock was imprecise with the time frame.
you know, I don't think this is the first time the suggestion that Pike was about Kirk's age caught my attention. Wasn't Kirk supposed to be the youngest Captain in Star Fleet histoy? The events in the Menagerie I believe were supposed to be 11 years prior...If Pike was between 33-40 at the time they were talking, that would have made him what? 22-30 the firt time they went went to Talos?
The point is Captain Kirk is not and was not the youngest captain in Starfleet. Nowhere in Star Trek does it say Captain Kirk was the youngest Captain ever in Starfleet. In fact the youngest person to make Captain oh, actually the fastest person to make Captain wasn't until 78 years later like Captain Tryler Scott. Unfortunately she dies same episode where introduced to her.(Star Trek next Generation conspiracy).
Remember Pike was about Captain Kirk's age. Not the same age as Kirk. The term "about your age" means that Kirk is between 5 and 10 years difference between him and Pike.
Nowhere in the original run of the show does it state Kirk was the youngest Captain in Star Fleet history. Right now I'm going through the episodes trying to figure out if Kirk is identified as the youngest Captain in Star Fleet. I'll get back to everyone with an answer on that... Should I find it.
I just go by the actors age for ship captains. Jeffery Hunter was born in 1926. William Shatner was born in 1931. Hunter was 6 years older than Shatner. So, maybe Pike was 7 or 8 years older than Kirk. All I know about Pike was he was in his early 40's during The Cage incident. He took command of the Enterprise in 2250 after Robert April. 2245-2250.
Your Age of Kirk could be off. Just because you're 34 in season two doesn't mean that he wasn't 34 in season one. Kirk didn't think like Savik. Kirk CHANGED the Conditions on the THIRD Time. Go back and look at Star Trek II When Spock says as i recall you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution should i say unique. So your 1st deep space assignment is related to Star Fleet Academy???
From what I remember on the show mister Spock said among the witnesses was a young second Lieutenant capio second Lieutenant James T Kirk was a witness he was a crewman on one of the relief ships that got their weeks earlier than what they were expected if they knew the ships would come back quickly the executions would not have been happening that's why they want to kill him
@@patrickmcshane7658 No. Dictators declare martial law all the time and there is no emergency. They declare an "emergency" so they can declare martial law.
Martial law is declared when a ruler wants to suspend normal law & order in order to be a king or absolute ruler for as long as his/she wants to rule. The present ruler of Venezuela is such a person.
@@larryray3178 - That night be so, but that's NOT the purpose of marital law. A ruler that uses martial law to impose a dictatorship is subverting the law to meet his own needs. Traditionally, martial law is meant to be used during times of emergencies when civil control is overwhelmed and unable to function normally. It is meant to be implemented during a crisis, and only used until that crisis has passed. The long suffering people of Venezuela need to rise up, and at least make an attempt to overthrow their military government!
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Enjoyed this. My view is that Jim was on Tarsus for "summer camp". That is, as someone itching to get out into space, his parents might have arranged for him to have a trip to a colony to experience something new.
You wrote that Kirk's brother Sam's occupation was unknown. He's a research biologist, as stated in s01e30.
The strange thing his brother looked just like each other but his brother sported a mustache.
"Operation Annihilate"
There was also Kirk's time aboard the USS Republic with Lt. Finney from Court Martial.
Spock and Bones were working the night shift. That's what they were doing at 5:00 in the morning.
Has anyone here noticed that Stephen Brooks (who played "Ensign Garrovick") in "Obsession" also plays one of the dead red-shirts earlier in the same episode?
Great work, and interesting. I just wish the texts were not so brief.
Considering the fact this series only had three seasons, never had great primetime ratings, received little support from NBC, and produced a third season filled with episodes which bordered on flat out AWFUL, Star Trek sure had an amazingly powerful impact on the entire world!
At 2:32-- Written before DNA testing became a normal fact of every day life. Whoops... Lol!
That's because STTOS was simply a vehicle for morality plays that Roddenberry was hoping to get by the censors in the guise of SciFi...the plots of the best episodes still resonate today and hold up well because the morality hasn't changed...we all can still understand the message implied...
DNA can be damaged or destroyed, and in the case of large explosions or collapsed buildings, a person can be presumed dead with no trace of their body being identified.
Those who study forensic science or the law should know that eyewitness testimony is terribly unreliable, especially 20 years after being a minor.
No, the problem is that they found a picture of Kodos (and a recording of his speech). If people like Kirk, who were kids at the time, were the only ones to see him, then it implies there were no pictures of the governor, or DNA on file.
In a technologically sophisticated society, people shouldn't be able to disappear into another identity, (or in the case of _Babylon 5_ be a leading industrialist and richest man on Mars with no photos existing of him). Any authority doing a background check of the troupe of actors should have found that Anton Karidian had no history before the Tarsus IV massacre of 4000 colonists.
It would have been better if this person had always been Anton Karidian. That he was on the colony and took charge, assuming the role of "Governor Kodos" (masked) for the duration of the crisis, executed half the colonists, then returned to his original identity, with only a few kids seeing him unmasked. Maybe there could have been sketches or composite sketches by artists based on the traumatized children's testimony, that appeared on the view screen.
So do that and take away the picture and voice recording and that would leave us with just a trail of bodies of the witnesses matching the movements of the theater troupe and Kirk and Riley's traumatic memories. Best bet would still be to call out the killer as was done. Would Spock have done a mind meld as happened in _Star Trek VI?_ On what grounds?
Another error at 6:53. You cite that in the episode "Obsession" was the "last adventure" referencing Star Fleet Academy. However, in a later epsisode in season two "The Ultimate Computer" Kirk is called Captain Dunsel as he is described from "midshipmen at the academy" as a part that serves no purpose or is obsolete.
I never said it was his only adventure in the academy. I only used the most important parts of his past. These are the adventures that shaped who the real Captain Kirk was.
I think I might a rewatch of the entire series.
"Acommodation" is not a reward. A "Commendation" is.
Spelling.
@@sandal_thong8631 Or the lack of it.
WAIT! What's up with this? Why did you splice in the "get a tractor beam" sequence from "The Immunity Syndrome" into the "Deadly Years" segment at 6:15? Makes zero sense. Note: Kirk was wearing different uniforms in these segments!
I guess that was supposed to be a way of saving the ship from the Romulans? But there's no followup.
I like what you've done here. It's great. In my imagination, I've decided the" little blonde lab tech" turned out to be the future Dr. Carol Marcus.
Exceptionally done. They should have had you to help make the new movies.
Agreed!
People in Hollywood like to boast that they make TV shows and movies without watching what came before, whether a stage play, TV show or previous movie. The latest is making the movie _Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness_ without watching _WandaVision._
Interesting comparison, between Kodos and Hitler.
Yes I started watching the original star trek when I was in the second grade and I enjoyed it. I have always liked it cause I like some science things.
An accommodation is an arrangement, not an award ;)
The word was actually, "commendation".
@@TomNimitz But the poster of the video wrote accommodation. See 4:34
I think that the word 'commendation' was scripted. However, 'accomodation' is funnier.
@@basilforth yes, Shatner is clearly saying commendation. The poster just doesn't understand
When _Enterprise_ was in the works, I went back and watched or looked-up everything that was said to have happened 100 years earlier, with ships disappearing and the Romulan-Earth War. But it didn't matter because they just did what they felt like as if it was 30 years before Kirk and they had transporter technology for equipment. So I skipped it.
When they did the reboot, they ignored Kirk's history as laid out in TOS. So his brother wasn't around and they just found his later bridge crew and put them there much earlier and before they earned it. In Season 1 a lot of people didn't work out on the bridge like in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Balance of Terror."
Every time I read about them wanting to do a "Starfleet Academy" show with Kirk and Spock I want to vomit as I can't see them being at the Academy at the same time, and Bones was not an academy graduate, but was commissioned as a surgeon, like all those women scientist lieutenants we saw.
Commendation not accommodation.
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Well, afterall, it does have its advantages over chess.
It outlined Kirks ability to out wit others.
How do we know that blonde lab technician wasn't a young Carol Marcus ???.
Kirk was visiting his brother on tarsus
The misspellings are horrendous
The font as well.
@@anndownsouth5070 I concur
I certainly wouldn't give this channel an "accommodation" or a commendation for its titles.
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Didn't know Kirk had a brother
Nice shirt change at 6.14 - from yellow to green, then back to yellow again.. time warp distortion or what!
You might want to update your file, great video, if you read the star trek book Drastic Measures it explains why Kirk was there on Tarsus IV.
Nice way to throw a blurb of a novel published in 2018 in comments to a video made in 2015, without giving relevant information. The synopsis on Fandom site said Kirk broke into a computer before it was purged to get a photo to go with the name, but doesn't say why he was there as a thirteen-year-old.
@@sandal_thong8631 Ok let me say this I hate Discovery and Kurtsman cant go F himself what he did to Star Trek but according to the book Kirk's mom was station there for short time while his dad was away on a mission. Thats according to the book.
@@livingtonu OK, thanks. Better than the speculation that he was sent to "colony camp" like another poster said as if it were fact, or that he was a lieutenant in Star Fleet and Spock was imprecise with the time frame.
Spock is a bit handsy for a Vulcan
Poor Mr. Spock geez, make him young again stat !
What were the counterpoints you were trying to contradict? You didn't included them.
you know, I don't think this is the first time the suggestion that Pike was about Kirk's age caught my attention. Wasn't Kirk supposed to be the youngest Captain in Star Fleet histoy? The events in the Menagerie I believe were supposed to be 11 years prior...If Pike was between 33-40 at the time they were talking, that would have made him what? 22-30 the firt time they went went to Talos?
The point is Captain Kirk is not and was not the youngest captain in Starfleet. Nowhere in Star Trek does it say Captain Kirk was the youngest Captain ever in Starfleet. In fact the youngest person to make Captain oh, actually the fastest person to make Captain wasn't until 78 years later like Captain Tryler Scott. Unfortunately she dies same episode where introduced to her.(Star Trek next Generation conspiracy).
Remember Pike was about Captain Kirk's age. Not the same age as Kirk. The term "about your age" means that Kirk is between 5 and 10 years difference between him and Pike.
Nowhere in the original run of the show does it state Kirk was the youngest Captain in Star Fleet history. Right now I'm going through the episodes trying to figure out if Kirk is identified as the youngest Captain in Star Fleet. I'll get back to everyone with an answer on that... Should I find it.
I just go by the actors age for ship captains. Jeffery Hunter was born in 1926. William Shatner was born in 1931.
Hunter was 6 years older than Shatner.
So, maybe Pike was 7 or 8 years older than Kirk. All I know about Pike was he was in his early 40's during The Cage incident. He took command of the Enterprise in 2250 after Robert April.
2245-2250.
@@johnbockelie3899 Redo your math. Poke was about 40 and Kirk was 33 in the "Menagerie" 40+ -11 =29-31 during the Cage
Nice job...Enjoyed the show!
Great episode
34 and O-6 ..that's crazy
Your Age of Kirk could be off. Just because you're 34 in season two doesn't mean that he wasn't 34 in season one. Kirk didn't think like Savik. Kirk CHANGED the Conditions on the THIRD Time. Go back and look at Star Trek II When Spock says as i recall you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution should i say unique. So your 1st deep space assignment is related to Star Fleet Academy???
From what I remember on the show mister Spock said among the witnesses was a young second Lieutenant capio second Lieutenant James T Kirk was a witness he was a crewman on one of the relief ships that got their weeks earlier than what they were expected if they knew the ships would come back quickly the executions would not have been happening that's why they want to kill him
I'm going with the 13-year-old version. Not sure what age they make him be in the Discovery novel of 2018 in the above comment.
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1:01*#33 & 20 are transposed.
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Isn't martial law an emergency
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Spock said emergency martial law, which I thought might be redundant.
@@patrickmcshane7658 No. Dictators declare martial law all the time and there is no emergency. They declare an "emergency" so they can declare martial law.
Martial law is declared when a ruler wants to suspend normal law & order in order to be a king or absolute ruler for as long as his/she wants to rule. The present ruler of Venezuela is such a person.
@@larryray3178 - That night be so, but that's NOT the purpose of marital law. A ruler that uses martial law to impose a dictatorship is subverting the law to meet his own needs.
Traditionally, martial law is meant to be used during times of emergencies when civil control is overwhelmed and unable to function normally. It is meant to be implemented during a crisis, and only used until that crisis has passed.
The long suffering people of Venezuela need to rise up, and at least make an attempt to overthrow their military government!
I thought Kirk grew up Iowa
He was the great, great, great, great etc. grandson of Radar O'Reilly.
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