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- When we think about Sci-fi universes, we often only think about starships, interstellar travel and battles that happen in the void of space. But even here there is always an element of terrestrial warfare that occurs in the Exo-planets of these many different universes. So, here in this video we will assess the ground infantry of four human political entities of four different Sci-fi franchises, namely the UNSC marines from Halo, The Starfleet ground forces of Star Trek, The Astra Militarum of Warhammer 40K and the Imperial army of Star Wars. We will not include the super human elements like the Force users, the Astartes or the Spartans. We will however, take a look at the number of soldiers each of them can field in a planetary surface battle, the types of weapons they use, the main ground & air vehicles and their different combat doctrines. So, in short, we will discuss which of these four has the most powerful ground infantry?
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stormtroopers=/=imperial infantry trooper 💀
Most circumstances I’d agree. But if they were clone troopers, different story.
@@LairdErnst Somewhat true yeah. Clones are miles better than storm troopers. That being said though, the few cases of clones versus regular (not remotely close to imperial guard level) organic armies that do exist in star wars are the cases where the most clones died by far in the whole war. Storm troopers are shit but clones from what I can tell aren't much better than normal IRL soldiers in terms of raw combat and tactical prowess. At the end of the day, they were born and trained to kill droids and jedi of which they did great. Not armies of real people, which they have repeatedly shown to only be average at.
UNSC Marine proceeds to show image of UNSC Army soldier😂
@@LairdErnstClone troopers would wipe imperial guardsmen (not all) but in a controlled environment with even numbers. The IG has good weaponry, but the clones have more training and experience. IG troops unless they're veteran have little to no battle experience given their casualty rates. The clones would definitely not bum rush these guys, it'd take strategy (if we exclude Jedi tactics and include hardcore strategy from the perspective of a veteran Clone).
@@yellomellow9481 There are plenty of elite well trained IG units.
"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
More like 100,000.
A hundred? Try 10,000.
@@grif16
Kharn charges multiple Chapters and Regiments at the same time over and over again
He has killed Trillions on his own
@@christiandauz3742 He has also BEEN KILLED BY THEM repeatedly as well. He keeps being respawned though by Khorne.
@@Nempo13
HAHAHAHAHA!!! No
Kharn only died once, during the Siege
The ai generated pictures are truly horrible.
AI is the future.
@@rapatacush3real artists > AI “art”
@@aquablue666 wanna know the human artist who finish the work in ten seconds.
“ALL GUARDSMEN, *FOLLOW ME TO GLORY!”*
Dude I just realized the 4 factions here embody the 4 land doctrine paths for hearts of iron.
I’m a die hard Star Wars fan but I gotta give it to those Warhammer boys. I’ve read dark stuff on Star Wars but Warhammer lore is literally built around that stuff, it essentially made itself one of the huge contributors to the “Grimdark” setting.
Thing is being Grimdark is a liability in a universe stand off, since it makes all the competitors more socially acceptable alternatives to joining the Tau, which is the big X Factor this video and most comparisons that proport "nah 40k wins" forget.
As I see it, there isn't a single facet of war that any other of these militaries can even compare to the Guard in. To start, the guard by far has the numerical advantage in all capacities, whether it be in infantry or armor. The tanks deployed by the Guard are another big point in their skills, with Baneblades and really any other of their larger tanks being far superior to anything the UNSC or the Storm Troopers could field. The guard have amazing air craft, unbeatable artillery, and not even to mention their auxiliaries (namely Knights) and other components (Ogryns and Tempestus Scions to name a few). And if we were to say bring in the other military branches that some of these factions have like the Imperial Navy and Sith from Starwars, the Spartans and UNSC Navy from Halo, the Star Trek Navy (I don't know the name, srry), and then all of the other Imperium Military Branches (Admech, Astartes, Sisters of Battle), then the battle goes from tilted towards the Militarum to a snow ball's chance in hell that any other faction comes close to beating the Imperium.
Sorry if that was hard to read or too critical, but that's how I see it
Edit: I also noticed that a lot of the other factions got to be compared with their fleets, in which case the Imperium would stomp the other factions even harder thanks to their obscenely powerful star craft.
Honestly universe vs universe or person vs person feels a little overdone but understandable for like decades now, but im surprised despite being sci-fi, noone ever did like a technology vs technology kind of thing, im sure the guys from 40k universe would really really love a lot of things from the guys at star trek, i mean im standing on the firm belief that star trek and dune has the most powerful basic infantry weapons.
40K > Halo > Star Wars > Star Trek.
From best standard military to worst.
Can we do this but with the IMC from Titanfall?
Star Trek infantry was a joke until the very recent shows, which only portrayed them as "slightly less worse".
No armour. No helmets. No personal shields. No drones or robotic aides. No vehicles or air support.
It makes no sense that you don't have that unless you're consistently glassing the planets occupied by the enemy.
It's the one part where Star Trek has consistently been very unimaginative and poorly shown, even in otherwise great episodes that show the horrors of war such as on DS9 or BNW. Budget of course played a major part in that so it's understandable to an extent.
In the third Chris Pine movie enemy infantry had shields, armor and rapid fire guns!
@@christiandauz3742
I can't remember playing Elite Force all to well, but from what I remember you were a bit if a badass. Personal shields, variety of weapons, Tech that let you get the drop on enemies... Oh, and calling in strikes from Voyager!!!! like, theres a tank in my way 'get rid if it' levels of precision. With equal numbers, I think they would take this fight. Numbers given, just no chance. They would make the best gurella fighters though.
Yeah, that depends on where you get your imagery. A lot of what they show was constrained by Roddenberry or budgets. The man didn't want pockets on Star Fleet uniforms. However, in certain books and, yes, more recent offerings things are different. As much as I do enjoy Star Trek, Roddenberry had some weird ideas.
@@Alphacheesehunter
Yes. And that's the reason why people shouldn't worship at his altar. He was a visionary for his time, but some of his ideas would've been absolutely ridiculous to modern audiences.
@@Emanon... To be sure. The universe is really enjoyable, though.
Literally anyone could beat Star Trek infantry. You could probably beat their Fleet to cause they keep sending senior ship staff on ground missions
Yeah lol. You could send grunts from halo and they would still probably win
Man to man I’d actually put money on Star gate troops over the star fleet ground units
Only reason why Star Trek would have a chance is because of their weaponry and tech mastery. Can't doubt their strategic genius, but in a ground war against well equipped armies -- then the federation/starfleet would LOSE for sure.
Trek fan here having to now stand on business " Put them up. I say put them up" 😂
@darthrevan4933 The SG teams are no joke! In the lore you will find they picked the best of the best from around the world. Given the best gear possible (Human or alien). I'd wager an SG strike team could take any non enhanced human force of equal size in the sci fi universe.
No idea why people keep bringing up warhammer 40k into these kind of debates when wharhammer literally nutstomps every single setting in every single comparison no matter what
The Type 3 Phaser Rifle, when set to power level 10, will atomize whatever it is fired at. Warhammer has numbers, both Star Wars and Star Trek have a tech advantage with the different being by how much.
The zeelie sequence stomps 40k into the ground.
@@dillonpeterson66 Bring in books isn't fair.
What I would give for a FORCE Multipurpose Assault Rifle from Hyperion
At a range of 10 kilometer or less, is "impossible to miss"
Variable energy beam that can be set anywhere from cell sized - glass an entire city in one shot, also pulses different wavelengths to bypass shields.
Smart missiles, mini but high yield, with built in AI
Plasma Manipulation, mode was shown to have a range going from a moon to it's planet.
Micro Flechettes
Can also fire normal, though very high power rifle rounds.
Only down side you need a FORCE suit to power and lift it.
@@MasterFancyPants books aren't fair? My friend 40k is 90% books.
But does warhammer be the Dragon ball Universe though?
I do forget about the fact that Stormtroopers are not the rank and file soldiers of the Empire. Those are technically the elites, since we really only seeing them assault rebel bases, or are stationed in places that are incredibly important to the empire, such as the Death Star or the gas refining plant they blew up in Mando. As we saw in Solo, there are countless battles all across the Galaxy, and this isn’t the clone wars anymore. High quality armor is not needed, since the Empire cares even less about lives than the Republic cared for the clones.
Stormtroopers are a joke now but in the old EU stormtrooper armor provided ballistic protection, NPC protection, and could stop lower power blaster pistols.
Imperial guard regiments of the Astra Militarum are not rank and file soldiers. To even be considered to join any guardsmen regiment you have to be the best soldier available from the planets PDF which IS a general forces unit. The only exemption to this rule is Penal Legion units who are literally just death row inmates and are not considered part of the Astra Militarum.
Some regiments are so legendary that the Tempestus Scions (Imperial elite special forces) get sent to those regiments as a segment of their training.
One example of this is the Elysian Guard who are masters of ship to ship boarding actions as well as Grav Chute (jet-pack) warfare [Functionally they're the 40k version of the 101st airborne and 82nd airborne sprinkled in with USMC Force Recon on steroids.]
The biggest problem that 40k has is many people who enjoy the fiction mostly get their knowledge from memes and shitposts instead of the actual novels,
Unlike Starwars and halo's fans who generally have to deal with the parent company shitting on the lore and changing it every 10 months.
I was listening for that as well. He does specify the imperial army ground force and the armor he talks about is specifically what the imperial ground troops use, as seen in Solo and Andor. Chest plate, helmet and goggles which means he wasn’t referring to the Stormtrooper corps. Which is more like a marine corps of the empire. Ship boarding the Tantive IV, expeditionary ground assault on Hoth, and installation security on high value assets seems to be their jobs. Whereas the army troopers have a much more diverse set duties from ground assault, planetary defense, garrison duty, mechanized armor and so on.
@@argentward1 pdf's arent the army of the imperium the the militarum are the rank and file pdf's are basically the coast guard
@crimsonshadow3089 PDFs are predominantly the first and last line of defense for many worlds, at the lowest level they're roaming gangs while on valuable systems they are responsible for the defense of its entire sector, specific examples were the Cadian PDF the Elysian PDF Kriegs PDF and Ultramars Auxillia (Their version of a human PDF)
Also, is it equating anyone to a Coast Guard, which is literally a military branch proving my point further.
Also PDFs are identified as "Primary Military Defense forces of a world or sector"
Meanwhile, Forerunner "infantry": Sits in orbit sipping tea while you drown in an infinite tide of self-replicating drones.
This would probably be better for Halo vs the other verses
Pretty much, they do have war-suits like the Seekers that can flatten country-sized cities. So your average Warrior-Servant can basically manhandle an entire Astartes Legion.
Being in orbit means they are vulnerable to WH40k Imperial Navy, which means they gonna be outnumbered and completly annihilated. Fin.
@@taelorpickel2830 The Imps would probably start chucking nova cannon rounds from their own navy and not care too much whether they hit the planet or the Forerunners in orbit. Win or lose (probably lose), they'd make an incredible mess of it.
You forgot the Baneblade Heavy Tanks...
I was going to say; the Militarum uses a variety of superheavies, and have dedicated anti-titan tanks that would be able to vaporize AT-ATs.
@@astronomybrainiacthey don't need those super heavys for an AT-AT. Just a Devil Dog (Hellhound variant that had its Infernocannon swapped with a Melta Cannon) could do it by driving into the AT's blind spot and blast it's legs off.
Yeah but one thing you boys forget is just how rare baneblades are
@@sercravenmohead3631 that's why I pointed out an alternative that is based on the Chimera IFV chassis
@@Alex-xt1rr Yeah but again, AT-AT’s aren’t alone and from what I can tell they’re used as Siege engines to drive forward backed up by combined arms of smaller tanks/walkers and infantry. I think these would be pretty difficult to flank especially when the Imperial Guard’s preferred tactic is trench warfare.
The Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum) is assumed to be around 500 trillion. It should be noted that the Imperial Guard are actually (mostly) a elite force used as a mobile force, and they are heavily outnumbered by the Planetary Defence Forces (PDF) which each imperial world must have. To make a comparison, on a Hive world there could be anything from several hundred million PDF forces to several billions, and during a invasion with conscripted forces they can have anything from several billions to a trillion men. Attacking a Imperial world is in such a way not just a question about how many Imperial Guards are defending it, but also all the other forces - the PDF being the largest in all but very few cases.
PDF is irregular force. It depends on planet government, how many soldiers are recruited, how they are equipped and trained. So its basically milita. Of course, we have examples such as Ultramar Auxilia but mostly local forces are not prepared for full-scale long war
are guard elite? i think we know the elite ones better, but they are not necessarily elite
Cadians maybe
@@andrejplyutin2350 PDF forces include void borne defenses, fleets, stations and orbital defenses, PDF regiments (which for all intent and purposes are like the Guard - but kept on site rather than sent away) AND irregular forces like militias. Every system is tasked with having PDF forces but these vary depending on the manpower and technology available in a system. These are however in almost all cases except notable exceptions like Cadia/Krieg/Catachan etc, many times larger than the guard tithes sent away.
Calling forces that have access to entire fleets and every kind of land based force seen in the guard and often also several times larger as just "irregulars" is pretty strange.
@@Luizguilherme-iz9yl In most cases yes. They are in fact a big step up from say PDF forces as these are (unless penal regiments or tithes from back-water/low tech worlds) in most cases career military given the best available resources and tech from their homeworld as part of the tithe. They are not super soldiers, but compared to most they are often veterans and do nothing but train for and wage war.
Wait?
UNSC Army exist, u know😂
They are the primary Ground Force of UNSC.
If I remember correctly the UNSC Army is primarily garrison troops while the UNMC is the expeditionary force
(Edit)
That is also not mentioning that UNSC armor uses titanium whether it’s heavy armor or body armor
@@Archangel1862
The Marines is the fast reaction force.
When UNSC wanted heavy boots on the ground, they used the Army.
Marines onboard UNSC ships can only do so much
The UNSC Army are the reason the Covvies adopted the “Glass ‘em!” approach to dealing with Humanity.
Because they’d routinely lose ground battles while having an 8 to 1 advantage.
the galactic empire also has an army. Stormtroopers are assault units they only attack and defend important areas.
@@Peter_Turbo4well, that is a factor. For the most part however, it was all part of their extermination of Humanity. The main reason the Covenant will even bother with a ground invasion is to extract any Forerunner Artifacts that they can. Special teams, often times Zealots, would be sent to extract Forerunner artifacts while the rest of the Covenant ground forces would be used to cover for them. In fact, whenever a Spartan wasn’t around, UNSC Ground Forces barely held on, only being able to hold them off because they aren’t the Covenant’s priority. The Forerunner Artifacts are.
Saying that the Galactic Empire would have an edge against the Imperial Guard due to an offset of walkers (the Empire having AT-ATs and the Guard not having their Titans or Imperial Knights) Is an extreme disservice to The Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Baneblade and every iteration of them. Of which include variants fitted with heavy Plasma Cannons and Meltas as Main Guns. These types of weapons are used by the Imperium to go against the OP BS armor that Xenos, Heritics and Traitors will often have.
Plus the Star Wars series, Rebels, straight up shows an AT-AT getting toppled in a one-vs-one fight with an AT-TE, a then, 17+ year old design that was a little more than jury-rigged. That was just ONE much smaller aggressor, now imagin an enitre Guardsman Armor Column of the Armageddon Steel Legion doing the same thing in much faster ground vehicles.
I agree with you. It's true the Titans and knights would not be present in a Guard only force, but they would also be over kill for imperial walkers anyway. Not only do I think a Leman Russ Vanquisher would have no problem dealing with AT-ATs (afaik the strongest ground vehicle the Empire has in service) but even if it couldn't a Shadowsword has more than enough firepower to vaporize an AT-AT with just one shot leaving nothing but a set of smoking feet.
Rebels is a bad example considering that other parts of SW lore has the Empire be overpowered. Oh, and the walkers in Rebels were prototypes. Colonel Veers upgraded them before the Battle of Hoth.
As for the AT-AT, its armor laughs off anti-tank and fighter cannons in Hoth. It would utterly crush IG tanks, and its guns are rated in the kilotons with a max power shot being essentially a mini-nuke as we saw on Hoth. Forget fighting IG tanks, they'd blow the legs off of Titans.
@@HolyknightVader999 (stormtroopers dying to bows and arrows in RoTJ)
@@voomvoom4522 Stormtroopers were only knocked back by them.
@@HolyknightVader999 they literally penetrate the back plates and stick there.
Man gave the bird the UNSC Army. Holding down Reach until the planet got glassed wasnt enough. Big sad. 😔
The Covvies losing every Ground battle unless they outnumber the UNSC by 20 to 1 be like:
So, basically Tuesday in 40k?
Halo is a great series but UNSC marines and army troopers are basically just modern soldiers. I'd rate modern soldiers above redshirts but that's just because they don't properly apply their military technology.
planet glassed? cute....try fighting as the bloody planet cracks! ARCADIA LITERALLY BROKE BEFORE THE GUARDSMEN DID!!!
The planet broke before they did....oh wait, that's the Cadians.
Imperial guard…. “You will lose, we have more bodies than you have bullets/blaster rounds. YOU WILL LOSE!!!”
Lore inaccurate
@@TheRisingEagle93 “11 Barrels Of Hell!”
@Peter_Turbo4 zeelie sequence:"you hear something?"
@@dillonpeterson66 Throw Dr Who into it and the setting will collapse over the course of an Afternoon.
@Peter_Turbo4 well no shit it's dr who.
As depicted on Screen, Star Trek had the worst ground forces. Undersized for their missions, and poorly equipped, 250,000 Marines is no where near enough to support ground operations on multiple conflict worlds.
Star Trek has personal force field for the military. Very useful in battle, The others have none
WH40K has a few of them (rosarius or halos) but are reserved for VIPs.
@@painlord2kanyway 250k troops is pitiful even for COUNTRIES on earth, let alone for a multi system confederation. The number just don't add up when the imperial guard number in half a quadrillion.
@@arthurmiranda8896 The 250k troops are for Star Trek I think...
@arthurmiranda8896
250K isn't exactly a pitiful number of troops a country can have. It's actually an acceptable average. Especially if your country isn't really at war.
But it is definitely tiny compared to larger players like China, USA, Russia, North Korea, and India. Many of these countries have branches that large.
@@mill2712 Yeah 250k is a lot of active personal, but still minuscule in war times, i would assume the Star Trek Federation at war would be able to muster at least 100x more man than this.
As far as weapons used by Imperial Guard troops, they regularly field heavy weapon teams both in standard infantry units and as dedicated heavy weapon units. These teams can field some of the most powerful Imperial weapons, such as the Lascannon, Auto-cannon and Heavy Bolter. These weapons can take out even the heaviest armour or decimate ground troops and have a range over double that of the standard lasgun. The Assault Rifle might outdistance the lasgun by a small margin but not the multiple Heavy Bolters that would certainly be deployed against an infantry formation.
Imperial Guard also have dedicated Armoured Companies comprising of multiple variants of the Leman Russ Battle Tank, so should be able to field far more armour. The Imperial Guard field walkers, but they are light scout vehicles known as Sentinels, and also serve as a mobile heavy weapon platform as they typically carry heavy weapons such as Multi-lasers or heavy flamers.
Star Wars Imperial forces field a lot more walkers, true, but in my opinion this is a detriment as they have a major weakness in their legs. Large walkers are good for one thing, intimidation.
You won't be able to intimidate the Imperial Guard.
Again just my opinion, but I think the Leman Russ tanks would easily be able to cripple the legs of the AT-ATs and other walkers while their smaller profiles would present a more difficult target for the AT-ATs
Form some of the books and how they depict las guns they seem to have a range of about 500 and 300 if it’s raining and can be modified to go full auto or to burn out their power cell for one powerful blast similer to a melta shot and even turn it to a laz gun to have rnnges up to 3 km if the books distend is right
@@devarasaira3851 Depends on the book and what the author wants them to be able to do, but yes, there are variants. There different patterns of lasgun depending on where it was manufactured and when. Mars Pattern, Necromunda Pattern and Triplex Pattern always used to be most common. Also long-rifle sniper variants are common for specialized units. Strom Troopers used to carry hot-shot variants which were S4 rather than hellguns that have a better AP I think?
The Imperial Guard even if they had no armor, support or weapons would drown all the other forces in Imperial blood before they even noticed the losses taken. I personally think the UNSC is a better military but they'd have no chance against the suicidal tidal wave of Imerial incompetence.
It depends on the story you are reading. The 597th Valhallan from the Cain novels are shown to be insanely competent.
@@MasterFancyPantsValhallans are not your average guard. Regiments like the cadians and kriegsman are elite
The guard aren't incompetent, for the most part. The majority of planets follow the cadian standards for recruitment and that states that only the top 10%-20% of PDF may be considered acceptable for guard recruitment and training. This can change wildly in terms of end of training skill level, but it does assure that a guard regiment consists of a planets best soldiers with the best quality gear that can be sustainably provided to them.
Planetary governors are rare to fuck with the quality of their guard export, since it is one of the few things they can do that would mean an eventually but reasonably assured of a horrific culling of them and their entire bloodline if they did. 90% of the campaigns they are apart of are nothing like the battles we usually see them in which would be the 1000+ 10% of apocalyptic battles involving huge deployments of millions of guard supporting millions to trillions of PDF forces with other special factions like astartes, sisters of battle and various other imperial factions included
90% of the time they do win with little to no intervention from superior factions like space marines, with rarely needing to resort to the insane tactics they use those 10% insane circumstances and the times when they do start up the meatgrinder.... it's most often using the PDF ground forces that got conscripted into guard conscripts under Imperial guard command... because why use your own elite guys from your own culture when there are a billion of these other guys who worship the emperor weirdly (not like us) just right there lol
I do agree that the UNSC does run better overall but that's largely because of their superior FTL and the fact the UNSC at the height of it's power was like not even a 1/10th the size of pre-heresy ultramar, let alone the imperium. That's like comparing a pond to the ocean.
*tldr*: The guard are normally very very good and would win due to being very good, not needing to result to sheer numbers to defeat UNSC military ground forces.
@@mastershangchi3410 nice to see someone saying it: the IG are an elite army and very capable of what they do. it is just that most stories from 40k are bolter porn, where SM units are deployed. for that to happen, the IG already faces overwhelming odds, so they obviously die in troves to make the SM look better
on tabletop, they have to fight vs the strongest stuff the enemy can muster, so they are again a horde army. but in reality, they regulary just fight relativly normal troops, where the lasgun and flakarmor is more than enough.
reminds me of the whovian, who was angry at me because I said IG can beat the dalek empire
The Imperial Guard can fight in any war scenario, never gives up and also has heavy weapons, cannons, plasma and much more. True that such weapons are one in twenty or thirty soldiers, but when you have the numbers, they are still billions of weapons of various kinds, not just lasgun. There are quotes of several trillions of new guards trained and sent each have. not to mention the forces already on the various planets and fronts. So I give victory to the valiant men and women of the Imperium.
Cadia Stands, not just in words but because there were so many cadians fighting around in the Imperium the destruction of their planet was not critical and they were able to restart their civilization.
Just as the God Emperor intended
They loose BAD to starstrek
@@dillonpeterson66 I agree that startrek has better weapons but the Imperial guard takes the W bro, they have way more bodies then Startrek. If we say that startrek only had 250k soldier and we say that the Imperial Guard has 1 billion units (which there are estimated to be trillions of guardsmen in total) it is 1 startrek trooper to 4 thousand Imperial guards. I don’t think you would want to be in the situation where there are 4 thousand units charging. That and even though lasguns have less range then a phaser, they still have the capability to blow off limbs with ease. He also didn’t go over this but they also have access to things called Longlass’s which are basically sniper versions of a lasgun.
@mr.savagemustache8098 I'm aware of both the lasgun can blow off limbs but the phaser can turn you to atoms.
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Before watching:
1. Imperial Guard
Pros: Numbers, some of their equipment, tactics, training, morale, total-war mindset, and combined-arms warfare doctrines. Are trained and capable of fighting in ANY combat scenario if given the right regiment for the environment. If in a head-to-head fight with the other three; armor is capable of tanking most of their enemies' small-arms fire based on lore, and they will be THE most battle-hardened, which counts for a lot.
Cons: supply and leadership competency issues. Poor coordination with naval and air force assets. Inflexible doctrines.
2. Halo UNSC Marines
Pros: Strategy, tactics, training, integration with other branches. If in a head-to-head fight: maneuver warfare, effective leadership, resourcefulness, and combined-arms warfare.
Cons: numbers compared to other factions. Technology lags significantly behind others.
3. Star Wars Stormtroopers
Pros: weaponry, numbers, technology, and limited combined-arms warfare. If in a head-to-head fight; weapons are devastating, and they have a slight numerical advantage against 2/3 of their opponents.
Cons: leadership is questionable at times. Never see them utilize true combined arms with air support and proper armored fist assaults. Their technology is... odd and impractical (walkers, misuse of repulsorlifts, etc). Their aim, training, and morale could be substandard. Lack of critical thinking and autonomy.
4. Starfleet Marines
Pros: weapons are theoretically devastating to enemy armor. Assuming that it isn't jammed somehow, transporter technology offers significant advantage in maneuver warfare and deep strike capability. Sensors and information gathering theoretically the best of the bunch. Negotiation power for non-kinetic solution to conflict a viable, if unlikely, option. Critical thinking and problem solving probably best of the bunch.
Cons: Rely exclusively on infantry and starships; combined arms warfare (outside of orbital fire support, which is rarely observed) is NEVER observed. They lack tanks and heavy vehicles, in-atmosphere fighter and bomber aircraft, man-portable heavy weapons, grenades, emplaced artillery, or other conventional weapons systems expected of a military force. Soldiers do not, to our knowledge, utilize body armor or combat gear. Strategy entirely dependent on maintaining orbital control (despite having the second weakest navy of these four) for all support. Morale and leadership is questionable. Tactics observed by starfleet personnel in ground or ship-based boarding actions are laughable. Lack anything approaching a total war mindset and eschew combat entirely where possible. Controls second smallest interstellar territory, and fighting force is numerically the smallest.
I would still have to give it to Starfleet Marines.
They have dark age technology. You can borrow a tunnel through solid Stone at walking speed with the right setting of a phaser. Another setting will close it behind you.
When you have a replicator, you can gorilla indefinitely.
Constantly attack enemy, leadership and logistics.
@jtjames79 No, the Federation has 'approaching' DOAT levels of tech. I have yet to see them weaponize black holes in a gun or field battle titans or strategic AI that can manage their whole society. Further, the average marine is not going to have access to all of the super technology seen in the show, and while phasers are impressive, most of the other factions can throw more bodies at the problem than those weapons have charge. Also, I will dispute them being able to carve tunnels out of solid rock. The most impressive thing seen with a man-portable phaser is vaporizing a man sized body after a few seconds of very concentrated fire. Anything more than that required delicate and heavier equipment. Additionally, at least 2 of the factions' FTL speeds leave Starfleet's in the dust. Those same two (Imperium and Empire) are bloodthirsty on a level that even the KLINGONS would balk at. Yeah, the marines might be able to wage a guerrilla action to some extent and see success at first.
Then, the Imperium or Empire is going to jump a fleet of warships into orbit and bombard the surface into slag, and leave before Starfleet can mobilize a response. Transporters would definitely not work against void shields and probably would get scrambled by Imperial shields. Most Federation planets don't have orbital shield generators, orbital defense batteries, or surface-to-space weapons. So while the soldiers might see some success as a harassing force, they'll either get vaporized by artillery or destroyed from orbit.
In a 1-on-1 fight with 1 of each soldier thrown into an area with their standard kit, I'd say it'd come down to the Imperial Guardsman and maybe a UNSC marine.
In an actual war scenario of equal strength forces, Star Wars and the Imperium would probably be the last ones standing.
In an all-out war scenario, the Imperium wins, and it's not even close.
Even as a Trekkie, Starfleet is not winning this. Sure, their strike teams could double as guerilla groups, but at the end of the day, Starfleet (hypocritically) is not recognized as a legitimate military. This is because Starfleet is designated as the "scientific, diplomatic, and defensive arm" of the United Federation of Planets. At no point, outside of an actual declared war, does the Federation see to their personnel trained in, nor equipped for, waging dedicated warfare. The closest they come to a standing army are personnel going down the command and security career paths. Everyone else seems to be trained as auxiliaries, regardless of their intended careers or manner of enlistment. This even extends to their allies, as most planets within their borders, but not full members, seem actively encouraged to maintain their own defense forces, independent of Federation services or control. Add onto this that the only time Starfleet personnel are seen with any type of armor (outside of games) was in the TOS era Star Trek movies, specifically 6, where a security team showed up in a suit that looked like a miscolored Saiyan battle suit from DBZ, complete with helmet.
While I commend the armor shown, as of 7:27, I stress that whatever armor they make was first designed to counter other specific hostiles. Ie, Omega Force equipment can be used against anything, BUT its primary purpose is to overcome Borg adaptability and their assimilation capabilities; Undine Countercommand weapons and armor is designed for maximizing damage against Undine(aka Species 8472), etc.
And speaking of armor, or a lack thereof, the closest they have to a ground deployable armored vehicle, even in non-canon sources that I've seen, is the Argo from Nemesis, which is basically an elongated dune buggy the height of a Jeep and a phaser turret of indeterminate power strapped to the trunk area. Even with exactly 1 fighter design, I know of no other Starfleet vehicles, aside from specifically designed starships and most shuttlecraft, that are capable of inatmosphere/dedicated ground combat. Because of this "we're not a military" attitude, Starfleet seems to actively refuse to research or develop almost anything that could fit the criteria for "legitimate military target" unless they're already on a war footing, or designing the thing to offset the advantage an enemy ship type already has over Starfleet. (Look at any ship in Star Trek Online's microstransaction store; almost all of their descriptions say what they're supposed to have been designed to counter or what niches they were meant to fill.)
The only fields that Starfleet infantry beats anyone here is in adaptability to developing field situations, education in combat styles and general tactics, and overall equipment utility. But this is more of a tie with the UNSC cuz they keep making equipment dedicated to 1 or 2 enemy types and modifying it from there, instead of just finding something that works a bit against EVERYTHING and making that the standard. Y'know, kinda like...
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I would correct the equipment portion of the guard to most of their equipment. Body armor is suspect but I would take a lasrifle over pretty much every option because the power packs are ridiculously easy to recharge. Heck, throwing them into a fire will allow them to recharge, even if their usability after that charge may be questionable. The lasrifle also has enough variety that there are options for every conceivable scenario. Depending on pattern and overall type (las pistol, carbine, rifle, or long las; hellguns are more powerful but have different packs,) you could get anywhere from 15 to over 100 shots from a single power pack, and the power packs are near enough universal.
The big thing is making sure that the Munitorum files the paperwork correctly and sends the correct shipments of supplies. Which it generally does, but it is known for the 1% of fuck ups it does cause over 10,000 years.
@@jtjames79 fed do actually have Vehicles similar to SW in form Hover tanks and IFV to plus don't forget they also have air force to. star fighters and Shuttles can be used has Support and Runabout be very deadly fireing mini photon torpedos a Standard photos can Level Mountin so mini photos pretty Devastating haswell
The Marines is not the main Army in halo they just get all the press from Bungie and 343, the Army is still the main land force of the UNSC,although they have been neglected and watered down in game they still are the main fighting force. A more accurate comparison will be to add factions from CD Advance Warfare/Infinite Warfare Starcraft Mass Effect Planetside Killzone Section 8 Starship Troppers (Invasion Universe) Gears of War Fallout and Star Citizen
So true. Marines are the few and the proud.
Don't forget those grunts from Star Craft.. Marine.. Firebat.. Marauder.. Ghost... Medic
No love for the lowly reaper
IIRC, Starcraft was originally being developed as a 40k game, which is why there are so many similarities in art design.
The marine in StarCraft is on a whole other level the c14 rifle fires a 30cm spike made of either depleted uranium or tungsten carbide at hypersonic speed, in shot it’s basically a handheld 25mm bushmaster cannon. No body armor without shield is going to stop that
@@許進曾except the Space Marines' Powered Armor that is
The 40k lasgun has been consistently described as equivalent to a 30 cal loke a 30.06 or 7.92x57. Not a 50 cal. WW1 and WW2 infantry weapons.
No not really, sometimes sure. Other times it can blow holes in rockrete. Depends on the author and the patern of the gun but more often than not its described as a less penetrating but more damaging 50cal. Hollow point 50 cal lmao.
The muzzle energy of the ideal Lasgun is the equivalent to a modern US Abrahams tank main cannon firing a high velocity penetrator round. While it would be highly effective against any infantry armour it needs to be said that lasguns are more of a wepon type eg assault rifle, and would vary significantly between regiments and even units.
@@n0rman908 Rockrete can be anything from futuristic material to mud Adobe. 30 cal also blows holes in concrete without penetrating it.
The best example of the power of lasguns is the various descriptions of medical areas and wounds we've gotten. None of those have been consistent with 50 bmg.
@@seantaylor4780 The ideal Lasgun is at least as powerful as the Tsar Bomba, at a minimum. High end powerful lasguns = supernovas.
Best description is that it's so effective only the tough adversaries remained in the settings.
the AT AT is NOT winning against a scorpion, scorpions literally demolish most scarabs, that not only have better armor but also way better weapons distribution and structure, let alone it tries to fight a wh40k tank
He also failed to mention that the UNSC Marines have B-65 Shortswords and Nukes . As well as Longsword strike fighter variants.
It’s no contest. 40K guardsmen will mop the floor with the opposition. Plus Space Marines can body any other special forces. Titus vs Master Chief would be no contest
The Chief would barely count as a space marine scout. He has only a few decades of experience. A full battle brother would breeze past him like he would a Kasrkin trooper.
Missing the entire point of the video.
This is about the basic infantry. Elites like the Spacemarines and the Spartans don't participate.
This is strictly Imperial Guard vs UNSC Marines vs Imperial Army vs Starfleet Ground teams.
There are no Space Marines, no Spartans, no Force Users, and no named Starfleet Ship Captains.
The Imperial Guard however would still win since the average Guard Garrison outstrips the entire force numbers with the other factions.
A UNSC marine with an SRS99 can Chris Kyle an Astarte with a surprisingly low level of difficulty.
Those guns are NOT to be underestimated.
@@Peter_Turbo4 Astartes are not to be underestimated either, they have canonical feats of slapping bolt rounds out of the air. The transhuman dread mentioned in 40k is there because something that big shouldn't move that fast and be that agile.
@@fallout0624 a UNSC Marine is used to fighting Jiralhane who do the same thing.
I feel like the Star Trek forces were just tacked on and really just dont stack up. Especially when a behemoth like 40k is involved. A better pick to compare would have been something like the Terran Dominion's military from Starcraft or the Mobile Infantry of Starship Troopers.
Startrek didnt even belong in this video lol. Starcraft Marines or Starship Troopers would have been a way better fit
Yeah the army is Star Trek is more of a glorified defense force.
Warhammer is literally that one kid who makes rules that benefit himself or gives himself the most overpowered weapons
The Imperium isn't even winning!
God Emperor: …but… but the other guys are also making up just as crazy numbers and rules to help them why can’t I do it?!
Chaos Gods: ah this war was fun for those few dozen planets… anyways lemme go back to my pocket dimension within a larger chaos dimension that humans lose their mind if they enter shielded
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That's the point of 40k. Everything is overpowered that within the universe everything is "balanced" per say. That's why warhammer will always stomp any other universe, because every aspect is insanely over the top compared to other franchises
@@legoguy5944 that is also why I love it.
Everyone else: Killing someone requires different type off weapons.
Star Trek Phasers: If encounter exotic entities dial your frequencies so they can vaporize your ass. For everything else just kill is enough.
Shit against Daemons and the Dark Mechanicum of 40k
@@christiandauz3742 I'm sure Starfleet can pull something out off their ass. Like pass a graviton off a deflector dish to create a subspace distortion or something like that.
Data would probably calculate them out of existence or some funny bs.
The Guard encountering *any* problem: *”WHERE’S THAT ARTILLERY!!!”*
@@Peter_Turbo4
The artillery defected to Chaos!
As soon as you add warrhammer 40k, it doesnt really matter who you put them up against. That entire universe is on a hellishly different level
You say that, but Halo has quite a few battles that reach 40k levels of *”Oh God The Toilet Is On Fire!”*
@Peter_Turbo4 but never the level of, oh emperor, the entire solar system is on fire and a half billion guardsman are still.on the planet fighting creatures that are driving them insane and even if they win then the inquisitor is probably going to call.for the planet to be destroyed with all hands on board.
@@Peter_Turbo4like what?
@@Peter_Turbo4 Eh only a couple bro. And only barely besides reach. Actually pretty much only Reach was something that got close-ish to 40k levels. Bare in mind there were only several hundred covenant ships at reach and that was the largest battle against the covenant during the entire war, according to Fall of reach book. That entire war wouldn't even be referred to a war front in 40k. Like maybe a small crusade sized conflict in terms of scope but that's really it. The Mecharius crusade claimed 10,000 worlds for the Imperium... the UNSC had 47 planets at it's highest power.
The UNSC had around 800 planets at its peak, forgot where I saw that number but I'm sure that's the right one@@mastershangchi3410
Star Trek doesn’t actually utilize infantry in the same way as other franchises; employing advanced medical technology, sensor equipment, and weaponry capable of vaporizing nearly anything. Startrek troops have been known to use ballistic shields, hologram technology, force fields, cloaking, beaming, and heavy artillery as parts of their operations. Star Trek is severely lowballed in my opinion.
still lacks the numbers compared to everyone else tho.
Hell the IoM would shit all over Star Trek both in the void and on the ground due to numbers alone. Their tech. is esoteric and complex enough to drive any Starfleet engineer mad especially once they hear about things like machine spirits ..... and then learning said machine spirits are actually a real thing .... yea the insanity inducing kind of mad.
Even the fairly lackluster militaries of Mass Effect would absolutely Cleveland steamer the Star Trek forces.
@Phenixtri it isn't really that good of an argument if all you can say is numbers. 40k win in numbers because many things they once have are either hard to make in scale or pure impossibility.
@@MortabluntScientists in Star Trek are creating planets from scratch, and some random dude with emotional issues destroyed an entire solar system by blowing up a star with a homemade missile. Sisko sent a few torpedoes down to make a planet's atmosphere toxic to humans, _and only humans._ Starfleet was like "Well, we can't _legally_ make a cloaking device, but what if we made a ship that can fly through planets?"
Star Trek is hilariously ahead of the rest on scientific levels. The only place it's behind is ftl speeds, where Stargate has a solid win.
On and stormtroops are not the main ground fighting force of the Empire. They have the Empirial army that is less equipped, and trained, but has a lot more manpower.
Star trek has the best starships and the worst infantry as they mostly dont need it. But when they do, their infantry is often equipped with the most advance tech.
They hardly have the best starships. They're tiny compared to all the others. And design-wise they just look terrible.
@@voomvoom4522 Yeah - structural integrity? What's that?
@@voomvoom4522
size doesn't matter if you have the best tech
@@congnghequansuvn474 only in the comfort department. There hyperdrives are terrible, they have barely any armor, their weapons are mid, and the only protection their crew has is a cloth uniform.
@@congnghequansuvn474 My guy, their ships are basically all cruise ships that go to shit the moment something they weren't prepared for happens
On the Guard not having the best service rifle, you do realize their rifle shoots a laser? Not like the star wars "laser," but an actual laser that travels as fast as actual light. It beats the BR in range and lethality. On armor, they literally have every flavor of super heavy. Excluding the Knights and such, the have Bane blades with variants meant to kill Titians, which are WAY bigger than an AT-AT. The Leman Russ and Rogal Dorn, their two most common battle tanks, are also packing enough fire power to obliterate most threats that the Empire or UNSC could possibly muster.
Realistically, if the UNSC had the numbers that the Imperium or the Empire have, they would probably win. Quality over quantity goes a long way
Thats definitely a debatable statement because your suggestion is that 40K humanity doesn’t have quality the imperial guard is the like third level formation that humanity has in that universe
From best to worst it goes
Custodies
Adeptus Astartes
Sisters of battle
Elite guard formations (IE the black, the shock troopers and the Mortien iron guard)
Standard guard formations (cadiens and the death corps of krieg)
PDF
Peinel legion
To suggest that it isn’t quality is insane the shear variation of heavy and anti armor weapons at the infantry level that is being carried by the guard is batshit crazy the best weapons for anti armor carried by the UNSC might be lucky the take off the paint from a leman Russ MBT much less some of the bigger tanks they have that’s not even me going into the sheer ludicrous amount of armor and armor variety they have and artillery
man just ignoring the halo wars games and all the stuff those add to the arsenal. as for the galactic empire, they're a terror force. their equipped to scare uppity moisture farmers. the unsc is designed for warfare with a background in fighting insurgents, an ATAT might scare some barely armed rebels but unsc marines with a cobra platoon or orbital support on speed dial are going to laugh at it. the astra militarum are honestly in the wrong tournament here. we've got star fleet from the junior league, the bantam weight unsc which stopped for a burger on its way to weigh in. the galactic empire light weight whos abusive spouse has on a dog food diet. and the astra militarum undisputed super heavy weight champion of stacking bodies. the guard doesnt lose, it gets board and goes looking for something else to do. the bbeg of 40k had to throw a tantrum and destroy an irreplacable super weapon to make himself feel better after the guard styled on him 13 times in a row. it doesnt matter what the issue is the astra militarum motor pool has an app for that.
14:40 in the Star Trek TOS Episode Arena were mortars introduced as part of Federation Ground Forces Armament moreover for high intensity operations they could be equiped with personal force fields (ST DS9 Homefront)
btw in ST DS9 Rocks and Shoals phaser rifles were used at ranges of 200 to 300 meters and these phaser rifles were stanard issue for Federation Ground Forces ( ST DS9 The Siege of AR855)
Please don't confuse Federation Ground Forces with Starfleet Security
Stormtroopers wouldn't do too bad in a tyranid invasion. Since they wouldn't even have to aim for nothing, as they would just shoot a sea of tyranids. Kinda impossible to miss then
That just means all of their shots would come out the barrel at 90 degrees hitting nothing but the sky and ground. 😅
@@onieyoh9478 or maybe even themselves
Star Wars would get fucked in a 40k Crossover
Get eaten by Tyranids or worship Chaos just to survive?
Stormtroopers actually have better aim than the avg Marine. they are just shown wrongfully. And the Imperial Army are actually the normal infantry force in Star wars
@@chris_P._bacōn98
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That is beyond atrocious
No mention of the Baneblade?
I blame Tarkin for making every Imperial equipment to be used as psychological warfare rathwr thab Practical Warfare
The Emperor signed off on it. And also made the entire military into a glorified police force.
You highly underestimated the UNSC armament and combat capabilities, but the UNSC also has air superiority, with Aircrafts such as the Sparrow, the Falcon, Wombats, broadswords, shortswords, longswords, etc.... plus MAC cannons and quick assault capabilities... if we go by sheer numbers the Imperium takes the fight, but the UNSC has superior armament and tactics..
I mean it really truly doesn’t he glossed over it but the guard has an insane amount of gear that he doesn’t even talk about that even at the guardsmen level would be a hard stop for a lot of the things they can field and that’s not bringing up the truly crazy armor they can pull out of left field and the arty they have which includes a wide variety of triple A weapons
Ah the fodder units 🤣
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Imperial Guards books I've read to this point detail that no more than a few thousand Guardsmen are deployed to capture planets ( source: Cain Novels, Gaunt's Ghosts ). The only somewhat realistic numbers were depicted in the Baneblade novels iirc.
The Ghosts are already ≈2000. They are always described as a just a small part of the army that invaded a planet being the reason for why they can never colonize one.
@@David-eh9le Also worth noting that in the Ciaphas Cain books the Vallahan Ice Warrior regiment (597th iirc?), while a badass combined arms regiment is usually deployed on planets to suppress heretical insurrections/kick the Tau off Imperial Worlds. The full might of the guard isn't really required for that (well, _usually._ Given Cain's luck shit always hits the fan and they end up calling for reinforcements later).
Well yes that is the core thing the people who look at the sheer number of guardsmen and say they win forget, that just because you have these massive numbers on a whole army scale doesn't mean you can bring them to bear in any given conflict, so other than maybe Starfleet, 40k runs into the Tau problem, that they can't afford to muster overwhelming forces, and trying to colonize towards them to bring more forces to bear just leads to worlds defecting for better living conditions.
I think it's between halo marines and 40k guardsman
It is. They're basically the same thing, but 40k troops have lasguns, which haven't made their way into common use in the UNSC yet. They exist, but only Spartans really use them, and they're rather large and slow firing.
One thing you discounted from Starfleet is that their phasers are regenerative, meaning they have near-limitless ammunition to fire. If they have starship support, then they can have an area swept with phasers and photon torpedoes and either vaporize or stun entire armies.
So do the las guns from 40K in legit both things you brought up the power pack can be recharged by literally putting it in a fire and Startrek isn’t special for glassing worlds 40K is great at doing that and at providing orbital bombardment
I like the Warhammer and Halo Marine designs. They look awesome!
8:06 isn't it the other way around I've that the armor the Stormtroopers wear is designed to stop heat not kinetic energy so wouldn't any gun be enough to penetrate their armor
It does both
@@lordcaedus8465 nope, a .22 would penetrate their armor, lmao.
They're designed to block the actual bolt. The kinetic energy transfers and knocks them out but the armor stops the actual bolt. So you'll get knocked the hell out but most times not die.
Ballistic weapons are quasi-illegal within Star Wars for a reason.
@@Peter_Turbo4 I'm not sure where you got that from because I have never heard of something like that at all, and I do have at least half of the Legends novels and more. I'm not calling you a liar, just uncertain is all.
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I think one thing missed here is the attitude and way they are raised. So like Cadians, Catachan or Vahallans and so forth are raised as well. I mean Death Corps of Krieg want to die in service of the Emperor. Cadians are very much raised to fight in the military. That type of intangible does matter.
7.62x51 effective range 300 meters 😂😂😂. Try again that round is effective out to 1200 meters
soldiers from other universes without understanding why thousands of men holding shovels are making a suicidal human wave towards them
I feel you may have forgotten the unsc's use of the odst's who are human troops and could maybe tip the scales in the unsc's favor 🤔
id have to say they are all mortal ground forces are pretty comparable in terms of skill and equipment on the field. with the exception of their elite forces Kasrkin, odst, death troopers, Maco troops. those will vary in their training. but i feel like 40k ground forces are going to have a much higher amount of experienced soldiers and less likely to break under under pressure. especially since they regularly fight races that i would argue are much more Horrific than any army in this list. not to diminish the fighting power of the other armies i just dont think thier hearts would be in it fighting an army of well trained fanatics with a near litmitless amount of groundtroops and their willingness to throw more of them at the enemy than the enemy has ammo. just my opinion.
The only thing that’s making the UNSC retreat is a Titan-Class unit being deployed.
And even then, that’s usually just to get away from the incoming MAC strike they just called.
This guy has no idea what he is talking about with the UNSC
So out of the 4, Star Trek is my least favorite setting. Do not misunderstand me, I love the setting, but I just like the other settings a bit more.
But, even with all that, I'm going to defend Star Trek by pointing out the obvious. Starfleet is not on a war footing, shocking, I know, even in the Dominion war, it just *BARELY* dipped it's toe into militarism and made a few purpose built combat ships, and even those where designed to have interchangeable stations that could be gear towards exploration and science. The army of Starfleet was even geared towards exploration, with minimal actual purpose built combat equipment. It maybe dumb, but Star Trek is overall a significantly more peaceful universe outside the occasiona Klingon raid or Dominion incursion.
Contrast this with the other 3, with the exception of the empire, both the UNSC and Imperium are in wars where defeat means extinction, not just for humanity, but likely for all life (40k's Necrons and Tyranids, Halo's rings). Even the Empire needs it's military to justify it's continued existence, and all three dedicated massive portions of their economies to military production. It's comparing 3 countries in wars of g*noc*de to a country that has been at peace for hundreds of years with no known threat or adversary.
The lazgun has a maximum effective range of only 300 meters (9:30)? When I was in my assigned weapon had a max effective of 1,000 meters even though I could reliably reach out and touch a target at 1,200 meters with a single round... Which I always got yelled at for it by the Sgt running the range. Always be like "Hardy 3-5 round bursts." My squad leader didn't really care because I always qualified expert and came back with excess rounds, and besides my squad leader wanted me to qual with a short barrel because he wanted us skilled on short barrel because we would probably end up room clearing and he didn't want us switching back and forth.
Lasgun effective range can heavily depend on the power of the shot and what type it is, as the lasgun can have apparently 11 different firing modes ranging from weak rapid fire low intensity shots to very few strong las shots, I assume that when at max output a lasgun can have a longer effective range, this is not counting the longlas that are actual long range laser snipers
It's great to be a laser pointer on a range but in combat you just want the rounds to hit as fast as possible and remove a threat.
Effective range*
A lasgun's "real" effective range is more than that in-universe. The 300 meters stat given in the RPG is simply for gameplay balance reasons.
@@Gunnar001 now that's is a good reason. Limit the range to control how the armys interact. I was coming from the other direction originally. I saw heard the stats and was like IRL id never take a lazgun over M249/SAW
the UNSCMC doesn't use wolverines as their main artillery they use Kodiaks for that and they also have a heavy tank called the grizzly rocket launchers and a double barreled turret used even in the earliest battles of the H-C war they also have gunships called vultures and support aircraft called nighengails and for troop transport they have the lightly armored but very versatile worthogs that can be used as fast hit ran and run vehicles with the mini guns mounted in the back, general anti vehicle jobs with a MLRS mounted in the back or a troop transport with no weapons other then what's carried by the soldiers it's carrying but holds like 7 dudes it also can be used as a moblie at weapon with a guss cannon in the back and for heavier transport they also have mastadon APCs with a 50 cal turret on top an holds 20 troopers and if we're counting support ships their's the phoenix class support ship (not to be confused wit the phoenix class colony ship the support ship is a refit version of the colony ship) that specializes in ground support being equipped with coil guns for AA and light anti ship fire (prob can't take down any ships shields) and a ventral MAC (Magnetic Accelerator Cannon) firing at your chosen spot on your chosen planet ring world or ARC as well as having several missile launchers for space to ground bombardment and is equipped with hangers with is more often than not equipped with pelican gunships yes they carry the gurnts and protect the grunts and (pre-early H-C war) bases that can be dropped from orbit or (mid-post H-C war) condor drop ships that carry the bases down and can be deployed faster and for more anti armor stuff there's the main pad spnkr rocket launcher and anti tank mechs
Technical the Astra Militarum's airforce, is a branch of the Imperial Navy, and any ground plane are technically under the PDF.
_Emphasis on technically._ The planetary aircraft flyboys are under the jurisdiction of the Guard Commissariat while on-planet, so they're really 'Navy in name only' at that point.
Hum I feel that the effectiveness of guard armoured vehicles was significantly understated. I also feel that the Halo armoured vehicles where underestimated and an over estimate was given to starwars. I also feel that in a vacum and even fight the UNSC would probability win as they where able to generally beat a technologically superior enemy, on the ground, due to there highly decentralised capabilitys. The guard while having much more powerful wepons would struggle in a fair fight depending on the Regiment deployed. In addition to this guardsman Regiments tend to have a top down command structure (not all) and this could be exploited by the other factions. Starwars I personally feel are relatively weak compared to 40k and Halo as they are not used to fighting a near peer enemy and would most lightly be beation even by the star trek troopers.
Another thing about Star Wars; Blaster weapons are inaccurate. The various PnP RPGs have stats for the weapons, with the blaster rifle getting a -1 to accuracy, and the las gun rifle of WH40K having a +5% (+1) to accuracy.
The las gun in RPGs is reliable, shoots fast, got a lot of shots for a full energy pack, doesn't have recoil. The only problem is that it lacks the penetration other weaponry could have.
@@AAhmou lazguns hace recoil in darktide many of there lasguns have recoil. tho a starwars blaster has far more ammo, with a single ammo clip having hundreds of bullets.
@@AAhmou I'm pretty sure a las gun is punching a hole in you, and is arguably more effective than a laser blaster.
@@Memelord1117 Except blasters fire explosive rounds in the OT. So they're practically bolters in energy format.
LOL SW blasters aren't inaccurate. We see the Stormtroopers gun down Rebel soldiers like they're nothing, and Kenobi even talks about how accurate they are as he points to a sandcrawler taken down by small arms fire that hit all its weak points.
Whenever Stormtroopers miss, they're herding you from one place to another. Leia even figured that out in EP4, when she realized that the Empire let them go. One scene later, Tarkin questions the wisdom of letting them go.
Should have swapped out Trek for The Expanse. The Martian Marine Corp would hold their own against Stormtroopers and Halo units.
wait, isn't the imperial army made of those trench fighters from solo? Stormtroopers are like the marine corps attached to the imperial navy.
stormtroopers are so bad idk why they are even being considered, their crappy armor doesnt even protect against rocks and sticks, they never hit anything, canonically a downgrade to their predecessors, and have no special accomplishments to acknowledge, it isn't even close for them, against anyone
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I love the Helghast, but they are pretty two-dimensional. Just your typical "Space Nazis"...
@@maxcooper6554 thank you for saying that
@@maxcooper6554Thank you for your Opinion.
But unfortunately it’s completely Wrong.
I enjoy Halo for its more grounded approach. Between humanity still struggling with FTL travel, their military bearing some semblance of familiarity to what we have today, being on the verge of complete and utter breakdown with the outer colonies, their weaponry still utilizing projectiles. It just helps immerse me further into the franchise more so than any other scifi universe.
"since we are not including knights and titans of 40k" krhm...baneblade and shadowsword
Storm trooper armor needs AP ammo or explosive ammo.
Or some blind guy with a fucking stick
Starfleet usually doesn't need ground forces. People forget how powerful and advanced their ships are, they can use their phasers from orbit as anything from a carpet bombing to a precision laser scalpel. When infantry is deployed, they are usually peacekeepers or site security.
People that say that lasguns are more powerfull than infantry phasers... In a TNG movie, max setting phaser would DESINTEGRADE a normal human, full power lasgun shot would just rip a arms off.... Any ship in Star Trek has Photon and Quantun torpedos, on DS9, when the Obsidian Order and Thal shiar (i think is their name) had team up and had gone to the Founders home world, they would reach the planet mantle in a matter of minutes. Even the imperium colosal battleships still uses supersized conventional cannons (Macrocannons) as the main weapon. Even in such huge size, i doubt it that would compeate both in power, range or accuracy against even a regular military ship phaser of star trek, Photons Torpedos would be classifield as "Exterminatus grade weapons" by their own right. Sadly Star Trek ground troops was so little explored or showed, but i belive that a max setting phaser rifle shot would kill or heavly injured a Space Marine, having at least the power of a Plasma Gun shot, without the cool but also awfull change to self destruct.
@@eduardomattosalves4940The phaser rifle has the power of artillery at the maximum power level.
The irony of using an AI generated abomination when talking about the Astra Militarum
"Astra Mili-what? This is the Guard, son..." :P
The official name is Astra Millitarum (Latin for Astral Military). Imperial Guard is just a moniker often used by other branches of the Imperium of Man (and other races) to distinguish them from the rest
should have used mass effect or star troopers instead of star track.
Just my opinion no offence to star track fan's
Whenever we have this kinda arguement, I always say look at the enemies they are fighting and if they are still expanding:
Star Wars: Rebels and they lost despite superior weapons and numbers
Star Trek: largely unopposed expect for the Klingon (initially) and the Borg, even then they had trouble winning against the Klingons leading to an alliance
Halo: constantly running and losing against the Covenant, and thankfully the infighting between the Elites and Brutes gave the UNSC a chance to push back
WH40k: Brutal Orks tides, ancient Eldar (but occasionally allied with them), sadistic Dark Eldar, Tyranids mega swarms, technologically superior T'au, literal Chaos demons from hell, elridtch horrors of Necrons. And the Imperium of Man is still expanding and reclaiming entire solar systems from the territories they lost from the Horus Heresy and the Fall of Cadia.
So you tell me which army would win in a fight 😂
Yes, this is the kind of massive brain discussion that led russian command to conclude they'd be in Kyiv in 3 days.
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UNSC Equipment may not look very advanced but SW forces would be on relatively even grounds with them since their weaponry is not so far from what the UNSC has been fighting which is insurrections, Covenant, The Floods, and Forerunner.
Besides that most UNSC Weaponry was very capable of putting a ton of strain on shielding, given the Empire lacked this. It would be a turkey fest.
Star Fleet isn't really a military force, more of a quasi-self defense force that primarily focuses on exploration and diplomacy. While the fleets can muster into a military formation, they lack the doctrine and mind set of an effective fighting force, which was part of why casualties were so bad in the Dominion War.
Starfleet uses anti-matter weapons and phasers which work at the molecular weapon. SF shields would repel pretty much everything the others have
Star Fleet, if they have a ship in orbit or a base on the ground transporters make for very accurate artillery support.
Unfortunately most of the franchises writers have no military experience combined with the imagination that makes transporters and replicators incredibly dangerous weapon systems.
Out of them, 40k's the most realistic, & i'm standing on that.
what? how is 40k more realistic then Halo?
@@CanadianLegionaire Depends on the regiment. Halo is based on our modern NATO style armies. There are regiments that would be more like them and there are regiments that are complete oposite. I will not count penal legions but cadians, Steel legion and others would be quite modern style of army. Krieg are seen by modern standards outdated but their doctrine seems to be quite valid in the last few years. Tempestus scions and elysians are also modern troops.
Yes you have armies that are outdated or suitable to open field war. Catachans and Armagedons Orc hunters are both querila regiments. To sumarise, Halo is closest to the moders doctrine currently used by NATO. Realisticly you are not conquering planet like modern earth in total war with less then 50+ million soldiers (this includes support personal). Yes modern armies are small but they count on Turning their standard personal into officers in case of proper war to rapidly boost their numbers. Most universes struggle with numbers.
realistic??? ahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha thats a good one, nice joke pal
@@hordynighthawk325 you know that wh is not written to be taken literally right?? unreliable narrative is the base of wh, because of that rule is that exist many contradictions, inconsistencies and many more errors than most of the fictional universes do not have.
@@hordynighthawk325 You're right that Halo is based more on our modern NATO doctrines. Its clear that, for the UNSC marine corps at least, maneuver warfare is the name of the game. The thing is though, the UNSC military wasn't used to invade worlds. During the human-covenant war it was constantly on the defensive. That's not to say it didn't go on the offensive. For example, early during the battle of Reach, the UNSC launched major offensive in an attempt to wipe out the covenant presence on Reach. However, that offensive was part of a wider defensive campaign.
As for planetary campaigns, when it comes to realism all settings struggle with this because they always either forget or simply don't show the most important part. Logistics. Doesn't matter if you have 50 million soldiers or 500 million. If you don't have the supply lines to keep those troops fed, to make sure they have a steady supply of ammo (which disappears insanely fast), spare parts and vehicles etc. You're campaign is doomed to fail.
The only part that I would say 40k has over Halo in the realism department is the numbers used to invade a populated world. Like stated previously however, the UNSC wasn't sending invasion fleets to land on Covenant planets to conquer and hold them. Other then that Halo is far more realistic then 40k.
The UNSC MC is not the main infantry force of the UNSC, the UNSC Army is the main fighting force. The Marines are an expeditionary force, just like IRL
people underestimate halo Marines because they are regularly killing elites and brutes (some of which are better than spartans) halo weapons just hit harder than other scifi
Why do these lists always ignore the uscm?
Well, in an attrition war you gotta hand it to the imperium. Which, probably just should win, because in a toe to toe of any of these, they’d win, no matter how many lives were wasted along the way. And while the average trooper could have just been handed a lasgun and told to go die for the emperor, their elite regiments are as elite as any of these. And they all are accustomed to handling a wide range of horrors.
The empire is a smaller, worse equipped, worse armored, more incompetent (with no firing skill) version of the imperium. Maybe some dark troopers and supercommandos are a bit better. But still not anything capable of changing the outcome.
The UNSC is up there when it comes to training and attempt to preserve life. If you factor in spartans (but ignore space marines from earlier), then maybe in a 1:1 fight these guys would win out. But the imperium has billions for every UNSC trooper. And an ODST is pretty comparable to an elysian drop trooper.
Star trek, aside from some cheeky teleportation, just isn’t kitted out for frontline attritional combat. They lose. They lose big. Best thing they can do is avoid the fight entirely.
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So its unanimous ground infantry in starfleet would die
Halo vs warhammer is the only true comparison here
starwars empire 1.5M troopers X Sector, meanwhile soviet union 22M~
Meanwhile the Imperial Guard untold billions per day high end trillions of troops at any given time.
UNSC Marine Corps over 6.7 Million . UNSC Army over 2.2 Billion troops at the end of nearly 30 years of war that cost the UNSC 23 Billion troops and who knows how many civilians actually died. Total military size for ground forces roughly 25,206,750,000 give or take over the course of the nearly 3 decades of war.
Yeah the Galactic Empires forces are the ones outnumbered here. To the shock of most people who don't realize that just because you have a population in the quadrillions doesn't mean those people are going to all wake up one day and join the military. The UNSC got these kinds of numbers by drafting every able bodied man and woman and on occasions children ie Spartan 2 and 3 programs to fight the war.
The most insane thing about this is that numbers-wise, W40K is the most realistic when it comes down to how many active duty personnel it would have to cover a galactic civilization, without taking into consideration the amount of war waged. The numbers given for the other 3 are... laughable. Even taking in the relatively low societal age of Starfleet and the UNSC, those numbers are poor. Starfleet is especially egregious due to it being an interspecies alliance, not just human centric.
Yea pretty sure the IG would have nearly as many commisars as the other would have soldiers in total.
I didn't even know star trek had infantry.
I think your assessment of phaser rifle range is far too low. I'd encourage you to look at on screen sources rather than what I assume was a quick Google search.
Depends entirely on the setting. It's mostly used to stun but can kill or disintegrate targets. Much the same as the Kenetic Bolt attachment on the MA5 series does in Halo or any Forerunner weapon does to targets.
You forgot the mobile infantry
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40K's IG> Everything else