Roboco has elegantly solved this problem. Despite being a junior only to Sora herself, her pon-energy still gives her little sister vibes even compared to the newest juniors
Yep, and I think that's pretty much what's happening with Sora in the last few years too. Not to the same extent as Roboco, of course. But with her getting really into minecraft and her character gradually leaning more into aka-chan, so many members have dropped the "senpai" and just called her "Sora-chan" Watching that as it happens was great
lol, for ID, the closer you are, the less syllables needed, iofi - yop risu - ris moona - mun ollie - lie reine - ne anya - nya kaela - ela - la kobo - bo zeta - jet
Great clip, this is always a very interesting dynamic within HL. Sora is literally the reason anyone else has a job there so the opinion of her from everyone else's perspective has to be incredibly heavy with respect. And she's an OG on top of it which only adds on further. If HL had started in 2020 or so and she was part of a gen and merely the last left and there'd been many vtubers in general before her it'd be one thing but that's not the case. But it's easy to understand that such a thing is burdensome to Sora. She never sat out to be a daisenpai and help take vtubing to another level, she didn't ask for such things and now the weight of daisenpai is forever on her shoulders. Gift and a curse, I suppose.
In Sora's case she isn't just the first member of Hololive, she is also a vtuber who debuted in an era of vtubing that is completely different from now. Streaming being the norm wasn't a thing until later. A lot of the big names from that era have left and only a handful of them are left, Sora being one of them.
But she isnt the one who make holo get bigger tho. Her position can be replace with anyone more interesting. Holo get bigger bcs of talent that more interesting like aqua, miko, pekora, marine, subaru, korone, holomyth. She just happen to kickstart it
@@HadirUntukAndawell, that's natural but when it comes to their workplace, they would disagree. After all, Sora and A-chan were the ones who took the plunge in that unknown stuff and took risks to somehow make it work. Yes, virtual idols do exist but they are not as big as they are now. Imagine spending time and resources on something you dreamt of while not knowing if it will be worth it or not. The concept of "virtual idols" at that time is almost nonexistent. Gen 0 and Gen 1 took the beating and carried the company while it was still in its infancy. Yes, other talents are entertaining but would they really risk their stable careers for such an unknown field? Not really. Most of them already have a good fan base in their PLs before joining Holo. The reason they respect Sora that much is because she started it just because of passion and nothing else. She wanted to do it knowing it might fail. The same could be said for the older gens. Without them, Holo might not even exist. So while there are more entertaining members which let us just agree to disagree, no one can replace Sora and A-chan in the member's eyes.
@@HadirUntukAnda her position cannot just be replaced being the first in the company, one of the first in vtubing in general and the one along with A-chan to go the route of virtual idol when cover just wanted to promote tech stuff, there's a reason why other members joke that if you do something she doesn't like you could be as good as fired, as for numbers, that's another subject, but talking about brand and marketing I'm not sure
@@HadirUntukAnda That is not true. Her position cannot be replaced. She and A-Chan came to a tech company with the idea of the idol dream. Her with the idea and A-Chan with the support. You need both of those to work. While it is true that Hololive has bigger talents, none of them had such a wild dream with a friend that is supportive and is willing to work for this dream.
I know she doesn’t mean it like that, but it’s really cool every time Sora mentions or reminds us that she was THE Hololive. When you think of Hololive right now, it’s a giant corporation with almost a hundred active vtubers, but Sora was basically 1 out of 3 founding pillars of Hololive beside A-chan and Yagoo, and probably some more people behind the scenes, it’s kinda insane
I mean it makes sense. Outside of the idol work Sora mentioned. According to the most recent talk stream, Sora was also busy with music college up until 2021. Her having basically having no time to interact with her junior is kinda sad, but at least she got time to do some catch up now.
Thanks for the clip! I like how at some point they kinda forget they're streaming and they just look like two friends talking about memories and everyday life
I love seeing that there is much more activity from them in streams and more clippers, since i met Soda-chan after watching K-AI videos at the end of 2018 i couldn't get out of the rabbit hole anymore...
Sora is basically the living legend in Holo, which probably the reason why everyone treats her in a highly regarded manner & keep a 'safe' distance, but in a way ended up making Sora felt lonely (she often said it herself back then, how she want to get closer to everyone etc.) She then start stalking others (in MC), observing her kouhais IRL (in studio & changing room), and accepted the warm affection from Iofi (which i assume was from viewers & management's idea to solve the issue), and others then start open up to her, somewhat bittersweet journey really..😌 *Aki was among the few who already close to Sora from beginning btw
It’s not just in Holo though, In this clip Sora specifically mentions Mito (AKA the DAISENPAI of Nijisanji) also view Sora as a senpai and it took Sora a lot of effort to get her to be more casual. (And even then if you look at the tweet Mito made for Sora’s 5th anniversary, Mito still has a mountain of respect for Sora and still refer to Sora and Sora-san) Sora unfortunately is the OG of OGs, she literally debut before most of the 4 heavenly kings. So everyone is her Kouhai in the industry. To complicate things further the fact that she has been around for 7 years now just means most of the people who are active while Sora debut have naturally stopped to go do other things instead. So the mountain of difference just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
I think the issue of senpai-kouhai barrier can be resolved just by hanging out more outside of the work environment. Get to know your senior outside the junior lens.
In my country if you got called by your nickname that's a friend, if by name that's a colleague, if by your surname if not your teacher that would be your girlfriend/boyfriend, and if by your whole name that would be your angry wife.
drop the senpai, just doing that work doesn't make her somthing to separate on a pillar. She want interaction not to be viewed from a distance. That is the massive problem with sempai/kohai culture
Really interesting to hear abt. I subbed to Sora in 2019 when i saw her appear along side another vtuber Id often watched (and still do watch) named sister claire on an anime project. I moreso watched Sora casually as I also watched Fubuki and Miko and they were apart of the same agency. Didnt really know wat happened backstage.
They're peas in a pod in many ways, including struggles, though Sora's was more escaping the assumptions placed on her. Both are prone to muki thinking (Sora decided to punch a warden to death no matter how many times she died) From my understanding, it was G3 that started the heavy sempai-ing, though management blocked contact in the early days between G1 and Sora Apple Soda is generally a down to earth collab duo Thanks for the clip
Some people think that the senpai/kouhai culture is bullshit, or that the treatment of Sora is overrated, but that's not even remotely a real problem here, the senpai/kouhai culture can be incredibly toxic in some work environments, Hololive is doing great in comparison, I sympathize with Sora too, but this involves feelings that are simply natural, no holomem will be able to ignore what she represents and did indirectly for all of them, see that none of them feel intimidated by fear, but by admiration, like Aki herself, and she's only a generation younger, they are not obliged by contract to act like this with their senpais, this is just another level of the honorifics issue that Sora talked about, with time and familiarity outside the workplace, you pass the barrier. Sora just didn't have the time until a few years ago, and that added to her being the pioneer of the company, and now the barrier is particularly strong for her.
I still remember in one of holominecraft event where Holomen punch each other, but it's look like no one of the girl dare to punch sora until someone come and punch her( i forget who do that)and i swar that i feel Sora very happy about that.
At the HoloMC, mostly Sora was regarded like a Goddess as much as she frustrates her a bit. Even her fans and other girl's fans see her as someone so untouchable. Sora immediately knew the feeling of loneliness at the top of being the very first daisenpai of Hololive and other higher daisenpai like Aki felt that too since the new gens and new fans respect them way too much at the past, until some talents starts including them into the fun.
Wow, yeah, when Gen 1 debuted, it really was just Sora and Roboco already there; Suisei had debuted, but as an indie, and wouldn't even join INoNaKa until the year after; and Miko was a couple of months from her debut. So there's a wall, but it doesn't have to stay there for all time.
They didn't even have proper 'Gen concept' until 3rd Gen. Fubuki said """Gen 1""" at that time were pretty much being left on their own. They also didn't get to interact much with Sora or Roboco.
While Gen 1 debuts before Miko, Miko is already with Cover at the time. Kind of like the Azki situation where she debuts later than many members. That is why in one of the clips for Micomet was talking about Twitter accounts. And Miko's account is one of the early ones.
The Japanese honorific and hierarchy system is so different from how it is in my country. We stopped using honorifics almost a hundred years ago, and even then it was nowhere close as complicated as in Japan. It's hard to imagine living with it.
hooray for more AkiRose & Sora-chan clippers! I mostly use honorifics for Soda-chan for 2 reasons: 1- some names just sound better with the honorific (like pochi-sensei's) 2- if i say Sora-senpai everyone knows i mean this Sora, but if i don't use honorifics then i could be talking about the Sora from Kingdom Hearts, or Digimon
Always love when Sora gets to break down the Daisenpai wall. It's a lot less higher than during the Goddess Sora days of yore, but I feel like its still there
From an American standpoint, the whole kouhai-senpai thing just seems so insanely wild. It's not age thing, it's not a skills or experience issue, it's not a position within the company like worker, supervisor, boss, just "I was here first so I'm the senpai." Like legitimately, "I got my foot in the door here first in THIS company, so I'm somehow the superior." Doesn't matter if someone has 50 years in the industry before joining, if they're the newest hire, they're the kouhai.
Senpai is not superior position. It's similar concept to respecting elders, but it someone there before you instead. It's like how people before you contribute into shaping the place you're currently in is one of the simple reason. Senpai doesn't mean more skill/superior.
There is reason why this isn't completely insane, and why it exists even in western companies although to a lesser extent and not as formalized - institutional knowledge.
Really interesting to hear, as somebody slowly getting a grip over time on how these things work. I think the moment they had overseas people in a position of senpai, it has to be immediately diluting it. I still feel like it's weird for somebody from overseas to be senpai, but even aside from that, just not having or being (as) familiar with that sort of thing, of course the dynamics would be different, especially when I keep hearing things like "even 1 day ahead counts as senpai". In that situation, many of them couldn't uphold this kind of structure even if they tried. I wonder what Japanese people think about somebody who doesn't understand the concept on the same level being called "senpai".
" I still feel like it's weird for somebody from overseas to be senpai" Not really. Its quite an easy to grasp concept for most asians. Seniority in the workplace, even for people who have lower ranks on you is a natural thing. Even for HoloEN who undergo training for debuting tries to learn stuff from people who were in the company before them.
@@NousagiBrat Not 100% sure what you meant on the last part (about HoloEN), but in case it wasn't clear, I meant that it feels weird for the EN one to be senpai to JP. The other way around doesn't feel weird. Like, of course you would learn from JP senpai, and other EN ones. But also people who are newer too. Sometimes some people are just good in certain areas, even more than senpai. For me, I believe you could learn something from almost anybody. Even a random child probably knows something you don't (even if it might not be relevant to your interests).
This is why the EN generations weren't given numbers. They didn't want to attempt to impose the senpai-kouhai dynamic on non-Japanese. Sure, you still respect and learn from those who came before you, but it will be different, and that's OK.
This invisible wall can even elevate someone as talentless and egoistical like Sora to achieve a semi high position and always getting the center stage despite being as unpopular as possible, with one of the lowest sub & viewer counts.
What the hell are you on? Sora's anything but talentless or egotistical. And get your number shilling outta here, if Sora hadn't debuted hololive and most of the vtuber sphere wouldn't exist
Talentless? Egotistical? Mf it's clear you don't really watch her. Go to any Hololive concert and her segments are where she somehow outperforms everyone else. It's this thing called 'Experience'. Despite that, she's more humble than you'd expect from the 3rd oldest Vtuber in Japan
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Roboco has elegantly solved this problem.
Despite being a junior only to Sora herself, her pon-energy still gives her little sister vibes even compared to the newest juniors
Yep, and I think that's pretty much what's happening with Sora in the last few years too. Not to the same extent as Roboco, of course. But with her getting really into minecraft and her character gradually leaning more into aka-chan, so many members have dropped the "senpai" and just called her "Sora-chan"
Watching that as it happens was great
Most do not realize how senior Roboco is as many think AZKi as the 2nd talent
@@Fishman465 come to think of it, AZKi has lots of successful kouhai interactions now too :)
Nuh uh. But roboko herself, rare to stream these days.
Old gens having their burnout moments
@@DBT1007 Roboco streamed four times in the last week, man
Remembering when Aki forced Sora into the group photo at the end of Holo Sports Festival that one time 🥲. These two are always so wholesome together.
The moment that planted the seeds for Apple Soda
lol, for ID, the closer you are, the less syllables needed,
iofi - yop
risu - ris
moona - mun
ollie - lie
reine - ne
anya - nya
kaela - ela - la
kobo - bo
zeta - jet
The SEA nicknames
not only for ID but this all true in asian countries. longer legal names but 1-2 syllable nicknames😅
Clip TSKR. Especially clips of the earlier gens. It's increasingly rare nowadays.
Great clip, this is always a very interesting dynamic within HL. Sora is literally the reason anyone else has a job there so the opinion of her from everyone else's perspective has to be incredibly heavy with respect. And she's an OG on top of it which only adds on further. If HL had started in 2020 or so and she was part of a gen and merely the last left and there'd been many vtubers in general before her it'd be one thing but that's not the case. But it's easy to understand that such a thing is burdensome to Sora. She never sat out to be a daisenpai and help take vtubing to another level, she didn't ask for such things and now the weight of daisenpai is forever on her shoulders. Gift and a curse, I suppose.
In Sora's case she isn't just the first member of Hololive, she is also a vtuber who debuted in an era of vtubing that is completely different from now. Streaming being the norm wasn't a thing until later. A lot of the big names from that era have left and only a handful of them are left, Sora being one of them.
But she isnt the one who make holo get bigger tho. Her position can be replace with anyone more interesting. Holo get bigger bcs of talent that more interesting like aqua, miko, pekora, marine, subaru, korone, holomyth. She just happen to kickstart it
@@HadirUntukAndawell, that's natural but when it comes to their workplace, they would disagree. After all, Sora and A-chan were the ones who took the plunge in that unknown stuff and took risks to somehow make it work. Yes, virtual idols do exist but they are not as big as they are now. Imagine spending time and resources on something you dreamt of while not knowing if it will be worth it or not. The concept of "virtual idols" at that time is almost nonexistent. Gen 0 and Gen 1 took the beating and carried the company while it was still in its infancy. Yes, other talents are entertaining but would they really risk their stable careers for such an unknown field? Not really. Most of them already have a good fan base in their PLs before joining Holo. The reason they respect Sora that much is because she started it just because of passion and nothing else. She wanted to do it knowing it might fail. The same could be said for the older gens. Without them, Holo might not even exist. So while there are more entertaining members which let us just agree to disagree, no one can replace Sora and A-chan in the member's eyes.
@@HadirUntukAnda her position cannot just be replaced being the first in the company, one of the first in vtubing in general and the one along with A-chan to go the route of virtual idol when cover just wanted to promote tech stuff, there's a reason why other members joke that if you do something she doesn't like you could be as good as fired, as for numbers, that's another subject, but talking about brand and marketing I'm not sure
@@HadirUntukAnda
That is not true. Her position cannot be replaced. She and A-Chan came to a tech company with the idea of the idol dream.
Her with the idea and A-Chan with the support. You need both of those to work.
While it is true that Hololive has bigger talents, none of them had such a wild dream with a friend that is supportive and is willing to work for this dream.
Thinking about it. Its amazing how Mikochi can get her kouhai to be so easygoing with her, but we can also see how much they respect Mikochi.
Miko exudes little sister energy like Botan.
@@venkaramonwhich is pretty funny considering that Miko actually an onee-chan.
That's because the wall is completely imaginary and only exists in the insecurities of the people who can't get over their perceptions of seniority
@@MrHehaawShe gets to live the imouto dream in Holo.
@davidy22 I'm 14 and this is really deep. My eyes are woke now.
I know she doesn’t mean it like that, but it’s really cool every time Sora mentions or reminds us that she was THE Hololive. When you think of Hololive right now, it’s a giant corporation with almost a hundred active vtubers, but Sora was basically 1 out of 3 founding pillars of Hololive beside A-chan and Yagoo, and probably some more people behind the scenes, it’s kinda insane
I mean it makes sense. Outside of the idol work Sora mentioned. According to the most recent talk stream, Sora was also busy with music college up until 2021.
Her having basically having no time to interact with her junior is kinda sad, but at least she got time to do some catch up now.
Thank you for translating this.
Thanks for the clip!
I like how at some point they kinda forget they're streaming and they just look like two friends talking about memories and everyday life
THANK YOU for the Aki clip 🙏🏻🍎
I love this heart to heart talk between Aki and Sora
I love seeing that there is much more activity from them in streams and more clippers, since i met Soda-chan after watching K-AI videos at the end of 2018 i couldn't get out of the rabbit hole anymore...
Sora is basically the living legend in Holo, which probably the reason why everyone treats her in a highly regarded manner & keep a 'safe' distance, but in a way ended up making Sora felt lonely (she often said it herself back then, how she want to get closer to everyone etc.)
She then start stalking others (in MC), observing her kouhais IRL (in studio & changing room), and accepted the warm affection from Iofi (which i assume was from viewers & management's idea to solve the issue), and others then start open up to her, somewhat bittersweet journey really..😌
*Aki was among the few who already close to Sora from beginning btw
It’s not just in Holo though, In this clip Sora specifically mentions Mito (AKA the DAISENPAI of Nijisanji) also view Sora as a senpai and it took Sora a lot of effort to get her to be more casual. (And even then if you look at the tweet Mito made for Sora’s 5th anniversary, Mito still has a mountain of respect for Sora and still refer to Sora and Sora-san)
Sora unfortunately is the OG of OGs, she literally debut before most of the 4 heavenly kings. So everyone is her Kouhai in the industry. To complicate things further the fact that she has been around for 7 years now just means most of the people who are active while Sora debut have naturally stopped to go do other things instead.
So the mountain of difference just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
I think the issue of senpai-kouhai barrier can be resolved just by hanging out more outside of the work environment. Get to know your senior outside the junior lens.
In my country if you got called by your nickname that's a friend, if by name that's a colleague, if by your surname if not your teacher that would be your girlfriend/boyfriend, and if by your whole name that would be your angry wife.
The whole name in Spanish is some angry Abuéla or Mother energy too
You forgot angry mother lmao
my gf never called me by my surname tho.
She don't like when is called senpai, later tells the story of how much work she put tp make holo successful, she is daisenpai forever.
drop the senpai, just doing that work doesn't make her somthing to separate on a pillar. She want interaction not to be viewed from a distance. That is the massive problem with sempai/kohai culture
Really interesting to hear abt. I subbed to Sora in 2019 when i saw her appear along side another vtuber Id often watched (and still do watch) named sister claire on an anime project. I moreso watched Sora casually as I also watched Fubuki and Miko and they were apart of the same agency. Didnt really know wat happened backstage.
Aki and Sora appeared in VTuber Legend including a clip from an early Aki stream so it's good seeing a clip of them in the same stream
Thanks for the great clip to translate, while I appreciate the funny moments most clippers go for, this deep talk is pure gold.
I really enjoy seeing these clips of casual talk between members. Thanks for the translation!
They're peas in a pod in many ways, including struggles, though Sora's was more escaping the assumptions placed on her.
Both are prone to muki thinking (Sora decided to punch a warden to death no matter how many times she died)
From my understanding, it was G3 that started the heavy sempai-ing, though management blocked contact in the early days between G1 and Sora
Apple Soda is generally a down to earth collab duo
Thanks for the clip
Some people think that the senpai/kouhai culture is bullshit, or that the treatment of Sora is overrated, but that's not even remotely a real problem here, the senpai/kouhai culture can be incredibly toxic in some work environments, Hololive is doing great in comparison, I sympathize with Sora too, but this involves feelings that are simply natural, no holomem will be able to ignore what she represents and did indirectly for all of them, see that none of them feel intimidated by fear, but by admiration, like Aki herself, and she's only a generation younger, they are not obliged by contract to act like this with their senpais, this is just another level of the honorifics issue that Sora talked about, with time and familiarity outside the workplace, you pass the barrier. Sora just didn't have the time until a few years ago, and that added to her being the pioneer of the company, and now the barrier is particularly strong for her.
"Aki Sora"
that name rings a bell
edit: oh no 💀 what kind of anime did 13 year old me watch back then
Wait a minute...
Oh, no, you didn't-
Also when Sora-chan is with Fuji Aoi. w
That's the reason why their hashtag is AppleSoda and not AkiSora lol
congrats, you played yourself...bro really exposed himself xD
You too huh? I was 14 tough
I still remember in one of holominecraft event where Holomen punch each other, but it's look like no one of the girl dare to punch sora until someone come and punch her( i forget who do that)and i swar that i feel Sora very happy about that.
At the HoloMC, mostly Sora was regarded like a Goddess as much as she frustrates her a bit. Even her fans and other girl's fans see her as someone so untouchable. Sora immediately knew the feeling of loneliness at the top of being the very first daisenpai of Hololive and other higher daisenpai like Aki felt that too since the new gens and new fans respect them way too much at the past, until some talents starts including them into the fun.
Wow, yeah, when Gen 1 debuted, it really was just Sora and Roboco already there; Suisei had debuted, but as an indie, and wouldn't even join INoNaKa until the year after; and Miko was a couple of months from her debut.
So there's a wall, but it doesn't have to stay there for all time.
They didn't even have proper 'Gen concept' until 3rd Gen. Fubuki said """Gen 1""" at that time were pretty much being left on their own. They also didn't get to interact much with Sora or Roboco.
While Gen 1 debuts before Miko, Miko is already with Cover at the time. Kind of like the Azki situation where she debuts later than many members.
That is why in one of the clips for Micomet was talking about Twitter accounts. And Miko's account is one of the early ones.
Fantastic clip, thanks for TLing
Thank you for the translation!
Great clip!
Thank you the clip.
Sora: I feel that calling someone by any name should happen naturally.
Every anime in existence: what?! You can do that?!
Great clip as always
Thanks for clipping this!
7:09 miss those guys
i really like 🍎soda
The Japanese honorific and hierarchy system is so different from how it is in my country. We stopped using honorifics almost a hundred years ago, and even then it was nowhere close as complicated as in Japan. It's hard to imagine living with it.
Some asian countries still have honorifics. Not just limited to Japan.
SK's hierarchy is even worse. It's much more strict.
Appreciate the Aki clips
Sora was really stressed back then glad she doesn't do as much now. She earned her lighter schedule
In my weeb opinion -chan or -tan is way cuter than being called w/o honorifics,
nickname calling w/ or w/o honorifics are cute too
hooray for more AkiRose & Sora-chan clippers!
I mostly use honorifics for Soda-chan for 2 reasons:
1- some names just sound better with the honorific (like pochi-sensei's)
2- if i say Sora-senpai everyone knows i mean this Sora, but if i don't use honorifics then i could be talking about the Sora from Kingdom Hearts, or Digimon
thank you so much for the sub!
Always love when Sora gets to break down the Daisenpai wall. It's a lot less higher than during the Goddess Sora days of yore, but I feel like its still there
From an American standpoint, the whole kouhai-senpai thing just seems so insanely wild. It's not age thing, it's not a skills or experience issue, it's not a position within the company like worker, supervisor, boss, just "I was here first so I'm the senpai." Like legitimately, "I got my foot in the door here first in THIS company, so I'm somehow the superior." Doesn't matter if someone has 50 years in the industry before joining, if they're the newest hire, they're the kouhai.
Senpai is not superior position. It's similar concept to respecting elders, but it someone there before you instead. It's like how people before you contribute into shaping the place you're currently in is one of the simple reason. Senpai doesn't mean more skill/superior.
Its not about superiority, its about showing respect to someone who is your predecessor.
There is reason why this isn't completely insane, and why it exists even in western companies although to a lesser extent and not as formalized - institutional knowledge.
Really interesting to hear, as somebody slowly getting a grip over time on how these things work. I think the moment they had overseas people in a position of senpai, it has to be immediately diluting it. I still feel like it's weird for somebody from overseas to be senpai, but even aside from that, just not having or being (as) familiar with that sort of thing, of course the dynamics would be different, especially when I keep hearing things like "even 1 day ahead counts as senpai". In that situation, many of them couldn't uphold this kind of structure even if they tried. I wonder what Japanese people think about somebody who doesn't understand the concept on the same level being called "senpai".
" I still feel like it's weird for somebody from overseas to be senpai" Not really. Its quite an easy to grasp concept for most asians. Seniority in the workplace, even for people who have lower ranks on you is a natural thing. Even for HoloEN who undergo training for debuting tries to learn stuff from people who were in the company before them.
@@NousagiBrat Not 100% sure what you meant on the last part (about HoloEN), but in case it wasn't clear, I meant that it feels weird for the EN one to be senpai to JP. The other way around doesn't feel weird.
Like, of course you would learn from JP senpai, and other EN ones. But also people who are newer too. Sometimes some people are just good in certain areas, even more than senpai.
For me, I believe you could learn something from almost anybody. Even a random child probably knows something you don't (even if it might not be relevant to your interests).
This is why the EN generations weren't given numbers. They didn't want to attempt to impose the senpai-kouhai dynamic on non-Japanese. Sure, you still respect and learn from those who came before you, but it will be different, and that's OK.
Yesss
This invisible wall can even elevate someone as talentless and egoistical like Sora to achieve a semi high position and always getting the center stage despite being as unpopular as possible, with one of the lowest sub & viewer counts.
What the hell are you on? Sora's anything but talentless or egotistical. And get your number shilling outta here, if Sora hadn't debuted hololive and most of the vtuber sphere wouldn't exist
@@sacredeight psst don't reply to bait
NJShitster is that you?
Talentless? Egotistical? Mf it's clear you don't really watch her.
Go to any Hololive concert and her segments are where she somehow outperforms everyone else. It's this thing called 'Experience'.
Despite that, she's more humble than you'd expect from the 3rd oldest Vtuber in Japan
lmao nice try