@@cubingexpress8875 Its been stated 100 freaking times. Brawl isnt for EDH players to buy standard cards, if for limited players to have A fun casual use for their collection/draft picks.
@@VBane ofc they phrase it that way, lol. "here folks! we have a new format you can play for free with the draft chaff!" sounds waaaay nicer than "dammit! there are millions of EDH players out there who dont buy many packs. how can we hook them to rotation?"
Keep in mind this whole set was executed the way it was with brawl in mind. Sadly wotc saw the format go stale long before this set was scheduled to be out
Can we just appreciate how much work these videos are for the editor(s) every week. All the camera angles, the litte interviews, the card closeups and all the effects in videos over an hour. Just wow
I think there's a video about how josh edited the game knight episodes, and how they filmed it. It really is took a lot of work, but he hired another editor, i think.
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You are correct. It's still dead. Also, not sure if 1v1 Brawl would live long in MTGA. Unless you spice it up with those special events it's just too easily solved.
2vs2 and 4vs is taking too long to show up on MTGA. farming ladder or cards in MTGA is only fun for some time, we need more fun game modes for people to play with friends.
Volkbrecht Singleton is already popular on arena, I suspect brawl will find new life on arena someday soon. It is ideal for the Jank lovers and works well this the wild card economy.
I feel bad for emma. Expected her to win if she drew good cards. I guess she thought she could draw into something after blowing the field and getting a free 6 card draw. Congrats to cedric tho.
Sadly neither as I haven't played much Commander in a long time as my playgroup disbanded a while ago. So lately it's been more Arena (especially with a certain global thing happening).
They would get more physical players if they did. The statement that they can't is just lazy and that they don't want to spend the money on updating their code.
Pushing Brawl so hard but not putting it where it's clearly meant for (Arena) still remains so baffling to me. Sure, Arena doesn't have multiplayer support, but the better question then is why doesn't it have multiplayer support, given that so many popular formats are multiplayer?
@@Crowen. I agree they could, and I'm not to privy to why they didn't- I am also not a game designer. I feel like it would be a ton of work to implement, plus you'd have to ask 3 different players if they had responses sometimes- I still think they should though, since it's better to do it now than later when it's more work
@@ForeverLaxx they don't even need multiplayer support, 1v1 brawl would be fine. For now, we have to settle for Singleton, but it's just not the same.
I think it was his unreasonable fear of Handy having a counter spell. She never played any so if he'd waited for Jimmy's end step, he could have flashed in just the walker and the snipe. Then yes, two turns with every spell dishing out 3... the game should have been a lock. That's fear for ya. Making your creatures unblockable except to black and artifact since the dawn of mtg.
Also, i am pretty sure that copying a legendary sorcery might have the legend rule apply and you would have to "not resolve" i guess one of them Nvm, just looked it up only applies to permanents
Think Wizards has it backwards. Theyre trying to create brawl hype through paper to justify the cost to implement it into arena while they should be doing the opposite.
Wizards has been kinda backwards in general when it comes to Arena. I think they're hoping to unseat Hearthstones by bringing in the paper-playing community
They've screwed up pretty much everything in regards to Brawl. Announce a new casual multiplayer format with zero store support and all we ever see officially is the MTGO 1vs1 meta where stupid Baral decks dominate? Yeah, that's sure to get people fired up /s
All their generals are from WAR, Bolas was one of the first cards we got to knew from WAR (though it was through a leak). Not having a Bolas deck might be a player choice not a lack of time
Maybe that's because playing Nicol Bolas as Commander requires as little thought as "breathing to stay alive". It's lame. They want to entertain, not always have that one overrated excuse for a planeswalker.
Eternal Brawl at eternalbrawl.wordpress.com is where the nonrotating version lives. Pick a Standard environment from history (banlist pre-Brawl is cards banned in Standard), build out of it, and you're good. The site is all the possible commanders and Scryfall searches for each. I've got a Brawl deck for each possible Standard (32).
@@ZaxploitationFilms Yeah, I've liked the two-year (basically) restriction on cards. It gives more cards purpose, rather than going "is this Cyclonic Rift? No? Toss it." And because the cards were R&D tested together, it's less likely that truly busted things are happening. My INV/ODY/7 Cromat Brawl deck is loads of kicker Battlemages and Volvers and Tek and Draco types. Stuff that's not good enough for Commander but still loads of fun. That fun goes away when you expand the card pool out.
See I played a forest on turn 2 which is a turn higher than last turn. Meaning I get 2 mana this turn instead of 1. He played a forest on turn 2! That means he gets more mana! Nothing like 25 mins if gameplay 20 mins of ads and begging for money. Then filler crap for the rest
@@rizzovg846 hahaha! It's a real trick, trying learning it sometime. It isn't as hard as it looks and pulling it off makes you look damn cool. You can also learn to do it with your fingertips so it looks like the cards glide across the mat, it's beautiful.
I loved seeing someone trans in such a big Magic channel. She said she was from Tolarian and I kinda really respect them now. The Magic community has welcome us trans people with open arms and to see you two, Josh and Jimmy, defend her in the comments and welcome her so easily is a huge relief. I admire you and this show so much (my friends and I now play commander all the time!) and to know you're so accepting of us? Too good. Thanks for all the work you put into this show. Thanks giving us such a wild, free experience. And thanks for making LGBT+ magic players like me and so many others feels welcome. You're amazing.
Arrennia that’s not correct. The effect is ended, and the creature returns to its owner’s control. It’s under rule 800.4a. Only permanents OWNED by the losing player are removed from the game, not permanents CONTROLLED by the losing player.
*goes to comments to comment on that tense clutch ending and overall exciting game *sees a bunch off people whining that it isn't commander Why am I always surprised by this?
Pretty sure Jimmy should have given NIV back and not put him in the command zone 800.4a. When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game, any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end, and all spells and abilities controlled by that player on the stack cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.
Mistake at 54:50 Niv was grabbed from the Battlefield, so the moment the control effect ends, he goes back to Emma. He should only get exiled/commandzoned if he came into play under Jimmy's control, so there isn't an original controller to go back to. Edit: see comp rules 800.4a
That rule only applies to continous and temporary gain control effects (like mind control and act of treason mentioned in the examples for that rule). Entrancing Melody on the other hand is a one-shot effect, it happens once and then the game no longer acknowledges its existence. It is not something that can "end" at a later time.
My apologies then. Still find it weird that the examples of rule 800.4a mentions every other type of gain control effect, but not the one-shot types, especially since its quite an obscure rules interaction that doesn't work how most would expect it to.
I think they avoid loop combos because it's such an underwhelming way to win in casual play. they also avoid spells that slow the game ie. Sensei's top, Lim Dul's Vault Pillow fort strategy and so on
Like the episode, dont usually see a brawl game but this was a good match. In overall the game was awesome considering to be a casual. Keep up the good work, love to see new videos and perhaps new matches in other formats.
At first I was disappointed they were playing Brawl but after watching the video kudos. Plus, it's free content that they work very hard to provide us, so let's be thankful even if you're disappointed it's not commander
The Hostage Taker pirate stealing Treasure Map sums up everything I love about Commander. I think it was done because it was ideal, but whether or not it was the right move or the wrong move, it was the Commander move.
Man, I can't wait till brawl comes back in some way. There's a game there, and I am keeping my scorpion god brawl deck just for it. This video keeps my hopes up
My guess is cause it's brawl and not edh. Lots of the other comments are talking about how they wanted edh or didnt know whay brawl was cause they havent seen it.
I always have trouble understanding this. Is it really that bad to change up your deck once in a while? Doesn't it get boring playing the same cards constantly?
@@JohnSmith-ty9cr I can't speak for everyone else, but my friends and I are real casual players. We each have several decks and with commander having 100 card decks, it always feels different no matter how many times certain decks are played against each other. Plus, keeping up with standard can get pretty expensive for me. I usually just use cards that I have.
@@LeftyRedd Fair points. Though I think the cost wouldn't be such an issue for Brawl. Feels like you could just dig through the $1 bin for each new set and come up with something sweet (and if you do go for something pricier, you need only one copy) I could be wrong though.
Not sure if I missed something, but shouldn't Jimmy's Finale of Rev have been exiled after the first cast, meaning he couldn't get it back with the flood of recollection?
@@cubingexpress8875 I mean... In a set which introduces more than 30 planeswalkers, it does kind of make sense to use a format like Brawl to showcase that.
The limitations and rotation of sets make it hard to keep up with rather build voltron than a brawl deck Tbh oathbreaker is even better than brawl but they dont wanna cover it
Sniperfuchs but brawl doesnt focus on walkers its just standard edh and you CAN have your general as a walker but oathbreak makes you use a walker as your general and a spell so its even better in war cause some walkers have x card like Domri and Domri’s ambush so you can really hit some nice flavor with the deck you build.
Niv-Mizzet returns to Emma's board when Jimmy leaves. The change control effect ceases to exist and Niv returns to last controller, if any, or is exiled, if there wasn't any before (in case of something like Bribery). Might have been a different game...
@@diamondaries9966 Gather Specimens, Bribery, Commandeer, and Hostage Taker are all exceptions, because they involve zone changes, but Entrancing Melody and Mass Manipulation are simple "control effects", which end when the player controlling the effect dies
Thebluedragon98 is correct. Rule 800.4a applies to effects that grant you control for as long as the effect remains like mind control and act of treason. Entrancing Melody is a one-shot effect, not a continous or temporary one, and is therefore unafffect by that rule.
@@JmLyan It still a control changing effect that can be ended. The gathere of the card itself point it out that in a multiplayer game the control will end. The fact that it has not a determined end dont change that the card has a previous controler and the game will check it. Again, its on the card gathering so it should not be a inssue
Just a quick rules call, the Mizzet should have returned under Emma's control after Jimmy died as stated in: 800.4a When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. Then, if that player controlled any objects on the stack not represented by cards, those objects cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.
I really don't get the hate for Brawl. It's like pauper in that cards that would NEVER get played get to shine. It may not be as powerful as EDH but both Brawl episodes were insanely swingy and fun to watch.
Brawl is fine, but Wizards seems to be pushing it a bit too much. Also, it's not as fun when you play it competitevely, since it's a pretty easy format to break and just find the best deck for, which is not very fun
@@francescogulisano2917 Competitive Brawl fine, but that's not what Game Knights is. Playing against the top tier EDH is possibly even less fun. I just dont get why theyve had only what 2 Brawl episodes and everyone groans. At least its not Tiny Leaders.
@@Tuturial464 I mean, I understand that ramp and card draw are good things, but a 2 colored cards 5 color deck is pretty awkward. A gold colored deck would already be restriction enough
Emma had some terrible luck even though she had so much draw power. Kept wasting all her creatures and not getting to draw back anything to beat cedric with.
Great episode, guys! I really loved the guests and the format! Thanks so much for making these videos for the MTG community, we really do appreciate seeing such high quality gameplay videos.
Does this show really need to cut to five "confessional" interviews on every single unremarkable turn? Player 1's first turn: "Forest, Llanowar Elf." Player 2: "Wow! Okay. Alright. Geez!" Player 3: "Uh oh. Llanowar Elves, that's like the perfect turn one play." Player 4: "We're in a lot of trouble now. At this point, I'm like, we're in a lot of trouble now." Player 1: "I'm off to a really strong start. I'm gonna play spells that will let me play my spells! Love it!" Player 2 again: "If Player 1 plays spells with their spells, that could be really bad for us." Enough is enough, video editors! Let's get to turn 2 already!
I agree. They definitely need to implement a way for you to skip ahead in youtube videos. Maybe at the bottom of the video with some kind of bar type slider.
Big missed opportunity to have the mid game intermission when rakdos, the showstopper was played
Heh. I like the way you think
You are a genius
Would've been too perfect
He stopped the show!
"Let's do Brawl to showcase all the planeswalkers you can put in the command zone!"
*2 out of 4 players pick legendary creatures anyway*
@@cubingexpress8875 Its been stated 100 freaking times. Brawl isnt for EDH players to buy standard cards, if for limited players to have A fun casual use for their collection/draft picks.
@@VBane It seems a little weird to say that when an EDH channel is being sponsored to play it
@@VBane ofc they phrase it that way, lol. "here folks! we have a new format you can play for free with the draft chaff!" sounds waaaay nicer than "dammit! there are millions of EDH players out there who dont buy many packs. how can we hook them to rotation?"
@@peewee130946 not really, they make some, but not nearly as much as pretty much any other format
Keep in mind this whole set was executed the way it was with brawl in mind. Sadly wotc saw the format go stale long before this set was scheduled to be out
Can we just appreciate how much work these videos are for the editor(s) every week. All the camera angles, the litte interviews, the card closeups and all the effects in videos over an hour. Just wow
I think there's a video about how josh edited the game knight episodes, and how they filmed it. It really is took a lot of work, but he hired another editor, i think.
Fahri Saefudin do you know what that video is called?
this one: th-cam.com/video/fj_zNNP1OwQ/w-d-xo.html
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@@joshmurphy484 MURRRRRRPH!
thought brawl died. but man.. if only there was a brand new online version of magic where brawl would be an instant hit in....
You are correct. It's still dead. Also, not sure if 1v1 Brawl would live long in MTGA. Unless you spice it up with those special events it's just too easily solved.
2vs2 and 4vs is taking too long to show up on MTGA. farming ladder or cards in MTGA is only fun for some time, we need more fun game modes for people to play with friends.
@@Volkbrecht they could add decent support for it with decent rewards either that or make it a rotating format and get rid of singleton
See I feel like what we need is a mtg nexus with like, all the cards, all the game modes, lots of work but SO worth it
Volkbrecht Singleton is already popular on arena, I suspect brawl will find new life on arena someday soon. It is ideal for the Jank lovers and works well this the wild card economy.
Definitely was rooting for Cedric. He's ramping. He's summoning elves. He's playing big ramp things. That's the deck I'd love to be playing there.
You just need to have as many kids as Zeus and name them all Cedric.
I feel bad for emma. Expected her to win if she drew good cards. I guess she thought she could draw into something after blowing the field and getting a free 6 card draw. Congrats to cedric tho.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes the Magic Gods don't want you to win.
Are you a Multani or Vorinclex Player?
Sadly neither as I haven't played much Commander in a long time as my playgroup disbanded a while ago. So lately it's been more Arena (especially with a certain global thing happening).
Ok timeout can we talk about how satisfying that untap was at 56:25
Literally just made this same comment, glad someone else appreciated it lol
It was edited to be smoother but yes I agree it was super satisfying
Hey Wotc. Put brawl in arena and I’ll play it
Yes please
Yes sir!!
Arena is a joke
@@the7A7dude whoa, hey.... a lot of people enjoy it, don't be so quick to diss it
@@infinitcheez I've lost so many games due to broken rules interactions, it's not even real magic
Put brawl on MTG Arena or I will continue to complain into the void.
I don't think its possible. If I remember correctly Arena can't handle multiplayer because.... reasons.
@@asiniel23216 1v1 Brawl is a thing.
@@Yusei1Fudo you mean the format that got solved within a week to the point they had to emergency remove it from MTGO?
They would get more physical players if they did. The statement that they can't is just lazy and that they don't want to spend the money on updating their code.
@@dino-wer-kuh3498 yes, that one. We want it
*something happens*
Jimmy: This is looking really bad for the rest of us
It's always bad for Jimmy 😂
That's more like Josh.
*Someone plays a land*
Josh: This is NOT good.
@@gregtheveggieburger9543
Jimmy: you guys are getting lands?
I love Jimmy
Please ask Cassius Marsh to be on game knights again, those episodes are my favorite
yes
And he really needs to win a game....:)
When the Seahawks play at the Rams?
Have him play fblthp.
@@GrundysGames he won with Kalia if I recall correctly.
I think the only people playing brawl is you guys and wizards.
They're sponsered by wizards
"Best part of the game coming up!" Ouuuuch...that burn...
Pushing Brawl so hard but not putting it where it's clearly meant for (Arena) still remains so baffling to me. Sure, Arena doesn't have multiplayer support, but the better question then is why doesn't it have multiplayer support, given that so many popular formats are multiplayer?
Why does it not have Multiplayer support? I’m not a game designer, but that seems like something they could implement
@@Crowen. I agree they could, and I'm not to privy to why they didn't- I am also not a game designer. I feel like it would be a ton of work to implement, plus you'd have to ask 3 different players if they had responses sometimes- I still think they should though, since it's better to do it now than later when it's more work
Even Magic Duels has/had 2-Headed Giant. Not having multiplayer considered beforehand is pretty baffling.
@@ForeverLaxx they don't even need multiplayer support, 1v1 brawl would be fine. For now, we have to settle for Singleton, but it's just not the same.
Isn't the game still a beta, technically? Maybe they'll add it in the future
Always so stoked to see more Game Knights content. Kind of disappointed we didn't get to see a Feather deck though after it's been so hyped up.
Oh, I'm sure they'll get around to it at some point.
That's because it's brawl.
I was hoping for feather and atraxa in a EDH episode lol
Rather see a proper feather deck, not some garbage neutered feather deck.
Yeah, was hoping for that.
Did anyone else notice that Josh's love of vedalken orrery cost him from forking Karns temporal sundering? 2 turns has to win you the game there
I think it was his unreasonable fear of Handy having a counter spell. She never played any so if he'd waited for Jimmy's end step, he could have flashed in just the walker and the snipe. Then yes, two turns with every spell dishing out 3... the game should have been a lock.
That's fear for ya. Making your creatures unblockable except to black and artifact since the dawn of mtg.
Also, i am pretty sure that copying a legendary sorcery might have the legend rule apply and you would have to "not resolve" i guess one of them
Nvm, just looked it up only applies to permanents
Right!
"This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals. Maybe ever." Nice one.
Was about to comment that, but you beat me to it
"I have altered the deal. Pray i do not alter it further."😂😂😂
@@thrillhovanhouten253 He is quoting Donald Trump
Jesus. Just play your own commander decks like you used to. We miss the old, genuine content.
You should have Cedric on more episodes. He might be my favorite guest you've had yet.
Ewww, lame joke!
Mine is professor then the NBA player (how can I forget his name) then wedge or cedric
The way he sang 'Thunderstruck' by AC/DC though 😂😂😂
Mine's definitely Kyle Hill
My favorite guests are kyle hill, cedric, the professer, wedge, ashlyn, and mel.
Think Wizards has it backwards. Theyre trying to create brawl hype through paper to justify the cost to implement it into arena while they should be doing the opposite.
Wizards has been kinda backwards in general when it comes to Arena. I think they're hoping to unseat Hearthstones by bringing in the paper-playing community
@@ianbyrne465 Wizards has been kinda backwards in multiple things. Still like them though.
They've screwed up pretty much everything in regards to Brawl. Announce a new casual multiplayer format with zero store support and all we ever see officially is the MTGO 1vs1 meta where stupid Baral decks dominate? Yeah, that's sure to get people fired up /s
Game Knights: **Hits with hastey blightsteel**
Also Game Knights: **he has ELVESSSSSS**
@@Uhavefriendss I guess it's just for the giggles
Honestly elfball is one of the scariest things out there.
I wonder if Cassius Marsh is ever coming back? I love how chill he is and he'll just bring in that NFL money level cards.
I'm sure he'll be back, he's been on more Game Knights than almost everybody else already (tied with Mel).
@@Dracinard i feel like i saw craig the most (*-*)
@@jensklingenmaier1745 Ah, fair. Only by one episode, though!
Your wish has been granted.
50% of comments: complaining about how brawl should be in arena
me: when is extra turns
Came to the comments to say this
Facts
Hells yeah
OwO aren't you unique and quirky!
I'm quite disappointed the no one played Nicol Bolas Dragon God as there Commander this game
All their generals are from WAR, Bolas was one of the first cards we got to knew from WAR (though it was through a leak). Not having a Bolas deck might be a player choice not a lack of time
Maybe that's because playing Nicol Bolas as Commander requires as little thought as "breathing to stay alive". It's lame. They want to entertain, not always have that one overrated excuse for a planeswalker.
Everyone: Cedric is dangerous
Jimmy: Am I jOkE tO yOu?
Again, I wanted to get into Brawl... but it rotates, so it's not happening.
Eternal Brawl at eternalbrawl.wordpress.com is where the nonrotating version lives. Pick a Standard environment from history (banlist pre-Brawl is cards banned in Standard), build out of it, and you're good. The site is all the possible commanders and Scryfall searches for each. I've got a Brawl deck for each possible Standard (32).
Rotation is what draws me to Brawl
Nah... it's pointless if I have no friends who are also into the format. :/
@@ZaxploitationFilms Yeah, I've liked the two-year (basically) restriction on cards. It gives more cards purpose, rather than going "is this Cyclonic Rift? No? Toss it." And because the cards were R&D tested together, it's less likely that truly busted things are happening.
My INV/ODY/7 Cromat Brawl deck is loads of kicker Battlemages and Volvers and Tek and Draco types. Stuff that's not good enough for Commander but still loads of fun. That fun goes away when you expand the card pool out.
@@ZaxploitationFilms bruh. You can change cards whenever you want in commander brawl is just forced change
Who from wizard's of the coast corrupted you to promote brawl????
Gavin Verhey
do i care about brawl? no
was this episode very entertaining because of the guests? yes
*Game Knights*
The only show where we go to a full stop to explain the value of Llanowar elves two times.
See I played a forest on turn 2 which is a turn higher than last turn. Meaning I get 2 mana this turn instead of 1.
He played a forest on turn 2! That means he gets more mana!
Nothing like 25 mins if gameplay 20 mins of ads and begging for money. Then filler crap for the rest
Then dont watch the video. You’re not being forced to watch this, so go watch something that you dont need to complain about
john s hey id rather gets lanowar elves get explained to me then wait a minute between each interaction.
This is clearly aimed at introductory level players.
@@friedpinnapple they could just edit out the down time instead of filling it with crap.
56:25 Ooh, that untap step is beautiful, Emma!
Yeah my eyes went straight to that like "Ooo that looks good" lol
Well noted.
orgasmic
i'm playing it at 0.25 speed and still don't understand it
*edit : like seriously it's like some frames are missing, it's fucking me up
@@rizzovg846 hahaha! It's a real trick, trying learning it sometime. It isn't as hard as it looks and pulling it off makes you look damn cool. You can also learn to do it with your fingertips so it looks like the cards glide across the mat, it's beautiful.
31:01 Farts. "This is really strange..."
😂😂😂
I would've played Nicol Bolas, Dragon God super friends.
I play that in brawl myself, put the elderspell in and its a one turn win ;)
@@clickonthedingo Exactly.
There’s a problem. Nicol Bolas has no friends
@@Tuturial464 You're right... he only has... dare I say it? Slaves... he has slaves... look at Lilliana... well, before she turned back.
@@tigerwarrior1787 so Nicol bolas super slaves?
I loved seeing someone trans in such a big Magic channel. She said she was from Tolarian and I kinda really respect them now. The Magic community has welcome us trans people with open arms and to see you two, Josh and Jimmy, defend her in the comments and welcome her so easily is a huge relief. I admire you and this show so much (my friends and I now play commander all the time!) and to know you're so accepting of us? Too good.
Thanks for all the work you put into this show. Thanks giving us such a wild, free experience. And thanks for making LGBT+ magic players like me and so many others feels welcome. You're amazing.
When jimmy died, shouldn't niv-mizzet return under emma's control instead of the command zone ?
"Gain control" effect should have ended before exiling anything controlled by Jimmy. You are correct.
Yes sir.
If it is a permanent that gave him control, then yes. If it is an instant or sorcery, then it goes to command.
Arrennia that’s not correct. The effect is ended, and the creature returns to its owner’s control. It’s under rule 800.4a. Only permanents OWNED by the losing player are removed from the game, not permanents CONTROLLED by the losing player.
*goes to comments to comment on that tense clutch ending and overall exciting game
*sees a bunch off people whining that it isn't commander
Why am I always surprised by this?
Pretty sure Jimmy should have given NIV back and not put him in the command zone
800.4a. When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game, any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end, and all spells and abilities controlled by that player on the stack cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.
Mistake at 54:50 Niv was grabbed from the Battlefield, so the moment the control effect ends, he goes back to Emma. He should only get exiled/commandzoned if he came into play under Jimmy's control, so there isn't an original controller to go back to.
Edit: see comp rules 800.4a
Came in here to mention this too. Emma may have won by having another body on the field.
Only dug through the comments to find someone mention this.
That rule only applies to continous and temporary gain control effects (like mind control and act of treason mentioned in the examples for that rule). Entrancing Melody on the other hand is a one-shot effect, it happens once and then the game no longer acknowledges its existence. It is not something that can "end" at a later time.
@@JmLyan that is not true, look at the rules notes for Melody.
My apologies then. Still find it weird that the examples of rule 800.4a mentions every other type of gain control effect, but not the one-shot types, especially since its quite an obscure rules interaction that doesn't work how most would expect it to.
I'm the number 1 brawl player in my state. I'm the only one who made a brawl deck.
What is it?
Victory by default!
Honestly nobody plays ever
@@xduskyx1357 What do you mean "honestly"? How do you know nobody plays ever?
How many of us forgot Brawl was a format until this came out?
The majority i'd say
WE NEED JUSTIN PARNELL AND STEVEN GREEN ON THIS SHOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW FROM SCG
Yea John is boring as fuck
I would love that soooo much
I got hyped for a new Game Knights, but it's brawl. I'd love to see actual Commander gameplay on this channel again.
This is only the second episode of brawl in like a year. Chill out
and here i thought cedric was a fool for killing jimmy
way to prove me wrong, nice plays
Cedric and Emma were great guests. Please bring them back whenever you get the chance.
I agree we love Cedric and Em
Shoulda done Oathbreaker instead.
or, you know, played fucking EDH.
THIS COMMENT.
THE TRUTH.
No! But that doesn’t encourage people to just get standard cards!
This instead of brawl. But EDH preferably.
I See ral.
I See josh is playing it.
I really hope josh just does an infinite copy loop to win the game...
same
Need 2 copies of expansion/explosion. Brawl is a singleton format
I think they avoid loop combos because it's such an underwhelming way to win in casual play. they also avoid spells that slow the game ie. Sensei's top, Lim Dul's Vault Pillow fort strategy and so on
@@mcintyre0591 I think with -2 Ral, Doublecast and expansion you can still go infinite
I doubt he put the cards in the deck and if he did he wouldn't go infinite on the show
You should invite Commander's Quarters onto the show.
Mitch would destroy them with budget options
wayfarer's bauble is too much to handle
Only took them a year, but they did it!
You guys should do an oathbreaker episode
Kaya Walsh this please!
Amen!
I honestly thought this would be the oathbreaker episode. After all, no better time for it.
That is, if WotC sponsors them to do one. Otherwise, not likely
Twisted Fate maybe for extra turns? if that show isn’t dead....i hope not i liked those videos the decks seemed more powerful
Like the episode, dont usually see a brawl game but this was a good match.
In overall the game was awesome considering to be a casual.
Keep up the good work, love to see new videos and perhaps new matches in other formats.
Hey, wasn’t the Finale of revelation exiled when Jimmy targets it with Flood of Recollection at 44:09 ?
It should have been
It got Spell Swindled
Yeah, it was countered, so it never got exiled. Josh is the only one who cast it successfully
Alex Young yep, I forgot it
that kayas wrath was the worst boardwipe my eyes ever witnessed
ya as she did it i just thought: i hope she loses! it was just stupid
Welcome to the worst board wipe in the history of recorded magic, folks.
Brawl is literally only played when sponsored by wizards , sad...
Sometimes, you just want to win in an old and tried way. By turning creatures sideways and pointing them at the opponent.
Awesome game.
Everyone: Lets have fun
Josh: no
LRR said on one of their commander streams Josh is not someone that's fun to play with
@@hollis756 Oh? How so?
combo... i guess?
The way Emma says "please don't lie to me" when she plays Kiora just defines me in a commander game.
bruh, emma looked at jimmy's hand
If only we could play Brawl in MtgArena...
hahaha that would be nice
Your content, is so great all the time guys, youre awesome
K brawl is cool, but when are we gonna see Oathbreaker 😍
ForeverLaxx coming from somebody who actually has played oathbreaker before, it's a ton of fun.
Looks fun. If we get a game knights going on it, my friends might actually want to build it. Right now I'm the only one interested
When Oathbreaker isn't a broken format with loose rules. So, probably never.
31:26 Cedric cheated
he just untapped his lands.
i love how jimmy said theres over 30 planeswalkers excitedly and only 2 out of 4 players use planeswalkers as commanders
And how Jimmy was on Roalesk, but still, he has a point
Thanks for the video, I enjoy you guys’s games, I know you guys are getting a lot of flak, but I just enjoy watching you guys play!
“Best part of the game coming up!” 18:40 had me dying
At first I was disappointed they were playing Brawl but after watching the video kudos. Plus, it's free content that they work very hard to provide us, so let's be thankful even if you're disappointed it's not commander
Brawl 😞
Make a god-eternals game knights!
Make a god-eternal kefnet extra turns deck for the extra turns vid
dude randum I have rhonas
Brawl? Wtf? What's next? Frontier? Super disappointed. And it looks like u abandoned the ''Extra Turns'' series which was awesome.
Incubation druid had a couter so it cant be adapted
Has anyone noticed the copious amounts of salt on the unstable box behind them when theyre talking nice touch game knights respec
The Hostage Taker pirate stealing Treasure Map sums up everything I love about Commander. I think it was done because it was ideal, but whether or not it was the right move or the wrong move, it was the Commander move.
Niv Mizzet should have returned under her control after Jimmy died
Best part of the game
Best part of the game
Best part of the game
"Board wipe"
...
so excited to watch this 1 hour long advertisement!
Man, I can't wait till brawl comes back in some way. There's a game there, and I am keeping my scorpion god brawl deck just for it. This video keeps my hopes up
Nice to see some love for the scorpion god! He was the second commander deck I ever built and he's one of my favorites.
isn't amonkhet block out of standard?
Silverslipstream yes it is, that’s really 😆
Emma's voice literally hurts to listen to.
TheHispanic she sounds like that elitist know it all from elementary school who became depressed as life went on
It's so cool seeing you play dead formats.
Why so so many people dislike this video o.O
My guess is cause it's brawl and not edh. Lots of the other comments are talking about how they wanted edh or didnt know whay brawl was cause they havent seen it.
I think brawl is fine though edh will always be the best for me :) but this is close to edh
Awesome vid! The tension was HIGH, thanks for showing Brawl some love, miss that format
Josh: “I’ve gotta watch out for her counterspell”
Also Josh: * *casts his only counterspell* *
Don't blame the command zone for the brawl....blame wizard of the coast for trying to keep alive this born dead format
😉
Nice épisode anyway
Cedric: Draw, the best moment in Magic
also Cedric: top decking for like forever xD
Yayyy Brawl, welp guess I'll be waiting for the next episode then.
I can't get into brawl. Keeping up with standard rotation is lame.
I always have trouble understanding this. Is it really that bad to change up your deck once in a while? Doesn't it get boring playing the same cards constantly?
@@JohnSmith-ty9cr I can't speak for everyone else, but my friends and I are real casual players. We each have several decks and with commander having 100 card decks, it always feels different no matter how many times certain decks are played against each other.
Plus, keeping up with standard can get pretty expensive for me. I usually just use cards that I have.
@@LeftyRedd Fair points. Though I think the cost wouldn't be such an issue for Brawl. Feels like you could just dig through the $1 bin for each new set and come up with something sweet (and if you do go for something pricier, you need only one copy) I could be wrong though.
@@JohnSmith-ty9cr I gotta admit, also good points.
Not sure if I missed something, but shouldn't Jimmy's Finale of Rev have been exiled after the first cast, meaning he couldn't get it back with the flood of recollection?
It has to resolve to exile itself
Really wish you guys didn't do brawl.
What's wrong with Brawl?
@@cubingexpress8875 I mean... In a set which introduces more than 30 planeswalkers, it does kind of make sense to use a format like Brawl to showcase that.
The limitations and rotation of sets make it hard to keep up with rather build voltron than a brawl deck
Tbh oathbreaker is even better than brawl but they dont wanna cover it
Another Game Knights wasted.
Sniperfuchs but brawl doesnt focus on walkers its just standard edh and you CAN have your general as a walker but oathbreak makes you use a walker as your general and a spell so its even better in war cause some walkers have x card like Domri and Domri’s ambush so you can really hit some nice flavor with the deck you build.
Josh at the start of the video trying to say brawl without barfing.
Niv-Mizzet returns to Emma's board when Jimmy leaves. The change control effect ceases to exist and Niv returns to last controller, if any, or is exiled, if there wasn't any before (in case of something like Bribery).
Might have been a different game...
I’m pretty sure that only happens if the control is due to an enchantment or other permanent
Rule 800.4a say "every control effect end". So it should go back to her board
@@diamondaries9966 Gather Specimens, Bribery, Commandeer, and Hostage Taker are all exceptions, because they involve zone changes, but Entrancing Melody and Mass Manipulation are simple "control effects", which end when the player controlling the effect dies
Thebluedragon98 is correct. Rule 800.4a applies to effects that grant you control for as long as the effect remains like mind control and act of treason. Entrancing Melody is a one-shot effect, not a continous or temporary one, and is therefore unafffect by that rule.
@@JmLyan It still a control changing effect that can be ended. The gathere of the card itself point it out that in a multiplayer game the control will end. The fact that it has not a determined end dont change that the card has a previous controler and the game will check it. Again, its on the card gathering so it should not be a inssue
Wait are the card sound effects from the Shandalar MTG PC card game? They sound very similar
Just a quick rules call, the Mizzet should have returned under Emma's control after Jimmy died as stated in:
800.4a When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. Then, if that player controlled any objects on the stack not represented by cards, those objects cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.
The best part about this episode was the animation on the pupper on Jiang’s card...
I really don't get the hate for Brawl. It's like pauper in that cards that would NEVER get played get to shine. It may not be as powerful as EDH but both Brawl episodes were insanely swingy and fun to watch.
Brawl is fine, but Wizards seems to be pushing it a bit too much. Also, it's not as fun when you play it competitevely, since it's a pretty easy format to break and just find the best deck for, which is not very fun
@@francescogulisano2917 Competitive Brawl fine, but that's not what Game Knights is. Playing against the top tier EDH is possibly even less fun. I just dont get why theyve had only what 2 Brawl episodes and everyone groans. At least its not Tiny Leaders.
Niv can't grab tri+ colored cards like Zacama (your example in the intro).
It could be used outside of narrow cEDH if it were though!
Matthew Jennings Niv Mizzet stragety is to ramp into big cards. That’s the first part of the deck. Which isn’t a bad idea
@@Tuturial464 I mean, I understand that ramp and card draw are good things, but a 2 colored cards 5 color deck is pretty awkward. A gold colored deck would already be restriction enough
im kinda disapointed nobody played nicol bolas, dragon god.
I bet every time they said “I think I´m dead next turn.” They added “Oh I forgot! I was playing Brawl! All the cards suck!” but they edited that out.
War of the spark is so dope. That's just the truth.
Brawl is a bad format though, just the truth
I do like war of the spark, this is indeed a good set
Cedric was such a fun guest! I hope you have him back.
THIS IS THE WORST TRADE DEAL IN THE HISTORY OF TRADE DEALS!
Emma had some terrible luck even though she had so much draw power. Kept wasting all her creatures and not getting to draw back anything to beat cedric with.
Great episode, guys! I really loved the guests and the format! Thanks so much for making these videos for the MTG community, we really do appreciate seeing such high quality gameplay videos.
Does this show really need to cut to five "confessional" interviews on every single unremarkable turn?
Player 1's first turn: "Forest, Llanowar Elf."
Player 2: "Wow! Okay. Alright. Geez!"
Player 3: "Uh oh. Llanowar Elves, that's like the perfect turn one play."
Player 4: "We're in a lot of trouble now. At this point, I'm like, we're in a lot of trouble now."
Player 1: "I'm off to a really strong start. I'm gonna play spells that will let me play my spells! Love it!"
Player 2 again: "If Player 1 plays spells with their spells, that could be really bad for us."
Enough is enough, video editors! Let's get to turn 2 already!
I agree. They definitely need to implement a way for you to skip ahead in youtube videos. Maybe at the bottom of the video with some kind of bar type slider.
@@TuberTugger SAVAGE!
Well the one guy who plays brawl still must be happy
Dang, I did not expect that ending. That being said, woot woot! My favorite card from WotS representing!
What, Kiora?
@@YourCrazyOverlord I bet it's Teferi's Time Twist.
@@WhiteWizard42 Or Niv Mizzet?
Anyone just binge watch the commander and brawl series’s when bored?
All the time
@The Command Zone 37:23 Evolution Sage (3/2) + 2 +1/+1 counters = 5/3?
Shawn Karber yeah I was wondering about that myself lol.