Maybe if you are rappeling multi-pitch with single rope as he proposed, with the weight of the rope plus the drag of the rope it's impossible to recover the system...good trouble if you are 2 pitches down and not enough time to reclimb and rappel. I think is not convenient to propose this system for that, maybe if is the last rappel to the ground or for an emergency like you say. Very good and simple invention after all.
Prusik Mallorca It has a bungie, it's pretty strong. I'd imagine it would be fine, it's solid if you keep it weighted but it unloads quite easily, there are enough bite points that each one experiences quite a small load.
Why no double rope? It’s safer and the escaper is almost as expensive as a rope. I would only use this escaper in the utmost scenario. Another option is to use a slipping knot and a throw line. a third option is to use an open carabiner and a throw line and a fourth option is to use a climbing (captain) hook and a throw line. Sometimes I use a fishing line instead of a throw line but I only have used it in trees.
An Escaper costs about 35-40€, so it's clearly not as expansive as a rope (or if you know where to find such affordable prices for ropes i'm listening :D) and weighs far less than a strand of semi-static 6/7mm rope (100gr vs +/-1kg). That said, I would definitely not use it as an "usual business" tool, it seems to work but I would still prefer bringing a thin rope if I'm sure I'll need to rappel (matter of confidence). But I guess it's terrific as "in case" tool, for example when you're out in the mountains or on glacial terrain and you may find yourself trapped or need to escape quickly and you only have a short rope strand (like 30/40m) and have to maximise your rappel length. I'll also add that it makes emergency rappel manoeuvres accessible to more people, as setting an ejectable rappel with a Dufour knot or a "crochet Julio" (fifi hook + elastic band) is extremely sketchy.
Hadrien Dejarnac When there happened something with your friend and you want to quit a (hike/walking) route for example. the prices depend on the length and quality. I've ordered the most rope at: www.safetypro.nl and on www.klimwinkel.nl but if you want it cheaper then you can consider to buy it from Poland or China. Safetypro has a semi-static rope for €1,54 VAT and €1,27 exclusive. So the rope prices also depend what the use of the rope is. the price of 30 meters Beal is €42,35VAT and the Beal Escaper is €39,95VAT.
@@arnoldmeulen thanks for the links, i'll have closer a look !! I was thinking about a 50/60m semi static rope in order to get full use of your climbing rope length when rappelling (I often use a 60m rope, so a 30m semi-static strand isn't really useful to me), then we're talking about +/- 80€ for a 50m strand and +/- 1kg in your backpack. About buying ropes on Chinese online marketplaces... I'll let you watch this : facebook.com/100001590655807/videos/1609613802434959/ so you'll understand why I wouldn't feel comfortable with these (and the rope in the video was sold as a climbing rope with a "CE" label on it). Well, as you're asking for examples, when we do ridge routes in the mountains with my partner we almost always use a single 50m half rope strand that we fold in order to have two 25m strands, and then we tie up. It allows us to carry less gear and it's also more comfortable to use on an arete. But if you need to escape rappelling down one side of the arete because of bad weather/being far behind schedule/being injured/any other reason you may encounter in the alpine, then it's faster (thus better and safer i think) only having to make 2*50m rappels than 4*25m ones (if the side is 100m high for example). Or, when using two ropes, if one of your rope strand is damaged or stuck and you have to leave it, then you still can use your remaining strand's full length. Also, sometimes you may find steep icy slopes on a route that shouldn't have been icy (that happens too many times for my taste) and you only have a short strand of rope ; then, the safest way to pass it quickly is to rap down it, and once again having a tool giving you the ability to make longer rappels for a really contained weigh and without having to use dangerous techniques is really a plus (IMHO). I'm sure we could find other situations in which this kind of gear would be useful. But again, I really see it as a "in case" tool that shouldn't be considered a go-to piece of gear, as I'm not sure if it's made to bear a regular use...
@@Iksio19 a Beal Escaper almost works the same as a Prusik. You can use it regularry but you can't swing too much if you want to make it to the ground alive. There are also good quality ropes available in China but it isn't always cheaper. I think you can trust brands like Xinda and Camna for example. I don't know the quality of Desert&Fox but it seems to be okay. Be aware that FervorFOX doesn't has good climbing ropes. I often use a cambium saver to retrieve my climbing rope but mostly only on trees. th-cam.com/video/2WSY4sFzRYM/w-d-xo.html
what a nice guy! i definitely would like to have a beal escaper on my kit as a backup
Yes! Make one for bigger trees, would be awesome! Great job!
Awesome! What an innovative piece of gear. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe if you are rappeling multi-pitch with single rope as he proposed, with the weight of the rope plus the drag of the rope it's impossible to recover the system...good trouble if you are 2 pitches down and not enough time to reclimb and rappel. I think is not convenient to propose this system for that, maybe if is the last rappel to the ground or for an emergency like you say.
Very good and simple invention after all.
Prusik Mallorca
It has a bungie, it's pretty strong. I'd imagine it would be fine, it's solid if you keep it weighted but it unloads quite easily, there are enough bite points that each one experiences quite a small load.
Why no double rope?
It’s safer and the escaper is almost as expensive as a rope.
I would only use this escaper in the utmost scenario.
Another option is to use a slipping knot and a throw line.
a third option is to use an open carabiner and a throw line and a fourth option is to use a climbing (captain) hook and a throw line.
Sometimes I use a fishing line instead of a throw line but I only have used it in trees.
All great points! The Escaper is definitely a niche product. -AD
An Escaper costs about 35-40€, so it's clearly not as expansive as a rope (or if you know where to find such affordable prices for ropes i'm listening :D) and weighs far less than a strand of semi-static 6/7mm rope (100gr vs +/-1kg). That said, I would definitely not use it as an "usual business" tool, it seems to work but I would still prefer bringing a thin rope if I'm sure I'll need to rappel (matter of confidence). But I guess it's terrific as "in case" tool, for example when you're out in the mountains or on glacial terrain and you may find yourself trapped or need to escape quickly and you only have a short rope strand (like 30/40m) and have to maximise your rappel length.
I'll also add that it makes emergency rappel manoeuvres accessible to more people, as setting an ejectable rappel with a Dufour knot or a "crochet Julio" (fifi hook + elastic band) is extremely sketchy.
Hadrien Dejarnac When there happened something with your friend and you want to quit a (hike/walking) route for example.
the prices depend on the length and quality.
I've ordered the most rope at: www.safetypro.nl and on www.klimwinkel.nl
but if you want it cheaper then you can consider to buy it from Poland or China.
Safetypro has a semi-static rope for €1,54 VAT and €1,27 exclusive.
So the rope prices also depend what the use of the rope is.
the price of 30 meters Beal is €42,35VAT and the Beal Escaper is €39,95VAT.
@@arnoldmeulen thanks for the links, i'll have closer a look !!
I was thinking about a 50/60m semi static rope in order to get full use of your climbing rope length when rappelling (I often use a 60m rope, so a 30m semi-static strand isn't really useful to me), then we're talking about +/- 80€ for a 50m strand and +/- 1kg in your backpack. About buying ropes on Chinese online marketplaces... I'll let you watch this : facebook.com/100001590655807/videos/1609613802434959/ so you'll understand why I wouldn't feel comfortable with these (and the rope in the video was sold as a climbing rope with a "CE" label on it).
Well, as you're asking for examples, when we do ridge routes in the mountains with my partner we almost always use a single 50m half rope strand that we fold in order to have two 25m strands, and then we tie up. It allows us to carry less gear and it's also more comfortable to use on an arete. But if you need to escape rappelling down one side of the arete because of bad weather/being far behind schedule/being injured/any other reason you may encounter in the alpine, then it's faster (thus better and safer i think) only having to make 2*50m rappels than 4*25m ones (if the side is 100m high for example).
Or, when using two ropes, if one of your rope strand is damaged or stuck and you have to leave it, then you still can use your remaining strand's full length. Also, sometimes you may find steep icy slopes on a route that shouldn't have been icy (that happens too many times for my taste) and you only have a short strand of rope ; then, the safest way to pass it quickly is to rap down it, and once again having a tool giving you the ability to make longer rappels for a really contained weigh and without having to use dangerous techniques is really a plus (IMHO). I'm sure we could find other situations in which this kind of gear would be useful.
But again, I really see it as a "in case" tool that shouldn't be considered a go-to piece of gear, as I'm not sure if it's made to bear a regular use...
@@Iksio19
a Beal Escaper almost works the same as a Prusik.
You can use it regularry but you can't swing too much if you want to make it to the ground alive.
There are also good quality ropes available in China but it isn't always cheaper.
I think you can trust brands like Xinda and Camna for example.
I don't know the quality of Desert&Fox but it seems to be okay.
Be aware that FervorFOX doesn't has good climbing ropes.
I often use a cambium saver to retrieve my climbing rope but mostly only on trees.
th-cam.com/video/2WSY4sFzRYM/w-d-xo.html
for sure!;D
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