It’s almost impossible to include EVERY single aspect of a life in a few hours.. Seabisuit is one of my favorite movies too. I took care of an old gent for 22 years in my home, that was blind in his right eye also, he too was an underdog in his life & overcame great hardships in his life & we both loved Seabicuit & admired Red Pollard; the old gent loved it when I told him, you are as tough and amazing as Red Pollard & his Nick name “ Red” evolved in our household. One thing about “ Tic Tock McLaughlin, my Mom told me there actually was a radio announcer guy during that era that was much like “Tic Toc”, so I wonder if that character was based on the fella that sounded just like him. Of course I can’t remember the name of the guy my Mom spoke of..
In the film they left out one other Santa Anita race. Seabiscquit lost the first and second (not shown) but went on to win the third Santa Anita What I thought most interesting was that Georgie Wolf looked back at War Admiral in the final stretch and seen War Admiral with his tongue hanging out and panic in his eyes. War Admiral had run the fastest time he had ever raced. He was giving it his 100% yet loses by 4 lengths. The poor horse was in shock.
Good job, thanks. Laura's book was filled with anthropomorphism. Embellishments like, other horses can only sleep for five minutes on their sides but the Biscuit lives to sleep on his side. Or how he played as a colt.
Wooooow❤ Thank you so much... I love all those facts you said. Also, in the movie they really did War Admiral and his owner kinda look like a villain but I heard he was a really sweet man.
Being that Seabiscuit has always been my favorite thoroughbred, but I am also a huge fan of historical accuracy; therefore needless to say I enjoyed your presentation very much!!!❤
This is crazy. I googled this to find out if it was accurate your video started in the exact place that I was watching the movie I mean exact. I kept looking down looking up looking down looking up at the TV I couldn't believe it. Freaky
Well done. I enjoy the movie Seabiscuit, it took too long to get to Seabiscuit and the horse racing in general in my opinion but the acting is solid and the Race scenes are expertly shot. If you do another one of these videos, could you do it on Hidalgo. it's one of my favorite horse movies.
The author of the book that the movie was taken from was a consultant in its production. I've read her book 3 times. It's obvious that they took bits and pieces from here and there to make sort of a compilation or montage of events and added some things for 'color'. It's just a movie after all. It was the spirit of that era and the story of Seabiscuit's rise and impact on the depression-era populace that they most wanted to capture as well as the major characteristics of the 3 most prominent members of the team: Red, Smith, and Howard. Not sure why they would make up race names for that particular streak of wins. As for Tick Tock McLaughlin, William H. Macy said he made him up. He was a colorful character and did a great job in my opinion. In the book, Charles Howard owned a horse named Tick Tock. Having said all that, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the book.
i thought the book was extremely well researched. i particularly liked the bit about the giant mound of manure lifted from the ground in a rainstorm and if i recall correctly, it headed down the backstretch before heading out to sea, creating a bit of mayhem afterwards, like a superior strain of mules being born in the hills around tijuana almost a year afterwards. it's been years since i read that, hope i got it right
Not a horse person and only just recently watched the film, but nice video! I like how you put in the effort of cutting in portions of both historical footage and the film :) How do you like the film Secretariat in comparison?
Compared to Secretariat Seabiscuit in my opinion is a far better film. Since both are trying to make an inspiring underdog film about a racehorse but Seabiscuits story fits that role way better then Secretariat.
Had fun watching your video. I, too, love Seabiscuit. As a little girl with undiagnosed ASD, I had 2 heros, Seabiscuit and Ernie Banks. I still have the children's book by Ralph Moody, and a lovely print of Seabiscuit with Pollard up. I think it would be fun if you tried your hand at calling a race. How about that match race? Should be quite fun.
Glad someone else looks up to this horse that print must be awesome. Coincidentally my dream job is to be a racecourse announcer I actually had a few old race calls on my channel but I deleted them because everyone made fun of them (it was 2 1/2 years ago). But if enough people want to see it I’d love to show it off my passion for calling in my videos
@@SketchyTheHorseGuy I'd love to hear you do it. Why not give it another try with the match race? Only 2 horses, so good practice. Hope you don't mind a personal question. Do you have ASD too? Your passion for horse racing, and Seabiscuit in particular made me wonder. Also the comment about your voice by another listener made me wonder. It's really cool to find someone else with the same special interest.
@@dianepeterson917 I was diagnosed pretty young with ASD and had an individuel education plan throughout my academic career for it. The odd speaking mannerisms thing is just how I come off to some people.
Very nice work here, Sketchy. What about this story about the starter bell? Supposedly, Tom Smith took the bell and trained SB in the dark with it? True?
I have another little one that bothered me in the movie... When Red meets Seabiscuit in the film, he gives him half of an apple, but in real life, Red takes out of sugar cube and gives it to Seabiscuit to calm him down. I know to some it's not that big of a deal, but In the book, Laura Hildenbrand, let's you know that Red always would have a pocket of sugar cubes for just such a thing, so it didn't make any sense why they had to change that?
To answer your first question the Motor City Handicap was held at the now demolished Detroit Race Course in Michigan (it's signature race was the Michigan mile and one eighth handicap). To answer your other question there isn't a fancy term for it to my knowledge.
I only have one problem with this list of 10 and that’s Pollard’s blindness. There is no telling what he might have told Charles Howard or Tom Smith in a private conversation. Had either of them let the secret out if they did know, it would have ended Pollard’s career, so it is very possible that Howard and Smith knew as the movie suggested.
You have 2 “alternative facts” that are ok. The other 8 are knit-picky facts you found to make the list longer, after you realized you only had 2 that were somewhat interesting. I mean, post position? That didn’t change the movie one iota and is totally irrelevant. I personally, could care less what Seabiscuits actual post-position was. Of course the movie is going to be more dramatic than the real-life version. It’s Hollywood! If they made the movie to be absolutely factually accurate, it would have bored the heck out of moviegoers, and probably wouldn’t be your “favorite movie “, anymore. All in all, some things were added, and some things were given some help from the drama department. But only because it was a necessity, in order to make the movie have better flow, and to keep audiences interested.
I think that can mostly attributed to the fact it is a very historically accurate movie. So to get it to 10 I had to talk about little parts that didn’t really matter to the story because they didn’t focus on them.
There was no reason to get race names or post position wrong. But, it doesn't make a bad movie. It was a great movie and now a thirties horse is famous again. But people want to know facts from fiction. The book was full of anthropomorphic silliness. If the poster was a horse person he could have found plenty more.
So let's get this straight...a movie studio takes artistic licence with a true story? haha...this applies to every movie "BASED" on a true story that has ever been made.
I believe War Admiral was very slightly taller, not enough to see any real difference. I'm no horse expert, but I believe the film kind of mixed War Admiral and his sire, Man O War together as Man O War was a big horse.
Laura Hillibrand book Seabiscuit. I am currently reading it. I am an avid reader of horse books. I am not enjoying this book, it is written by a women and and it shows, too much trivial info is included. I have to speed read it to stop getting bored. Get to the point.
The movie is not exact. They are wearing jockey goggles.... But Jockey goggles weren't invented until the late 40s, almost a decade after Biscuit raced. There's also the Jai Ali building in the background of Caliente, that building does not exist there, never has. It is on the opposite side of the track 2 miles away and out of view.
It's OK to let people know the actual facts on this horse, who has become part of history. I don't see it as denigrating the movie. We all understand artistic license. But the interest in the horse, that was piqued by the movie, creates the desire to learn more. I spent 18 years in the racehorse business, mostly as an exercise rider and only knew of Seabiscuit superficially until the book and movie. I only knew the name at first through Popeye cartoons. If the book and movie told some fibs, fans deserve the truth. At least Seabiscuit has millions of fans now. The book accomplished that.
@@stevek8829 Track Rails existed back then. They were also around in the previous centuries. Probably since the sport started. They also wore caps back then made of thin velvet with no chin strap offering zero protection. The first protective helmet to be use was the Agua Caliente Safety Helmet started in Tijuana Mexico in the the mid 50's. At that point goggles and safety helmet were required, but practically non existent prior.
Pollard rode Biscuit in the 1940 Santa Anita handicap, not Wolf.(so?) as the commentary says. The commentary actually seems to mingle parts of the match race with the Santa Anita handicap in 1940.
It’s almost impossible to include EVERY single aspect of a life in a few hours.. Seabisuit is one of my favorite movies too.
I took care of an old gent for 22 years in my home, that was blind in his right eye also, he too was an underdog in his life & overcame great hardships in his life & we both loved Seabicuit & admired Red Pollard; the old gent loved it when I told him, you are as tough and amazing as Red Pollard & his Nick name “ Red” evolved in our household.
One thing about “ Tic Tock McLaughlin, my Mom told me there actually was a radio announcer guy during that era that was much like “Tic Toc”, so I wonder if that character was based on the fella that sounded just like him. Of course I can’t remember the name of the guy my Mom spoke of..
Thank you for making this! I enjoyed it! I LOVE the story of Sea Biscuit!
The SHOW was a WINNER! My thanks to you for producing and creating this PLACE.
This was really fun to watch, would love to see more of these!!
In the film they left out one other Santa Anita race. Seabiscquit lost the first and second (not shown) but went on to win the third Santa Anita
What I thought most interesting was that Georgie Wolf looked back at War Admiral in the final stretch and seen War Admiral with his tongue hanging out and panic in his eyes. War Admiral had run the fastest time he had ever raced. He was giving it his 100% yet loses by 4 lengths. The poor horse was in shock.
Good job, thanks. Laura's book was filled with anthropomorphism. Embellishments like, other horses can only sleep for five minutes on their sides but the Biscuit lives to sleep on his side. Or how he played as a colt.
True, but she had a great way of writing through a race that make you feel like you are there
This was neat, you should do this with other horse movies!
Wooooow❤ Thank you so much... I love all those facts you said.
Also, in the movie they really did War Admiral and his owner kinda look like a villain but I heard he was a really sweet man.
Being that Seabiscuit has always been my favorite thoroughbred, but I am also a huge fan of historical accuracy; therefore needless to say I enjoyed your presentation very much!!!❤
This is crazy. I googled this to find out if it was accurate your video started in the exact place that I was watching the movie I mean exact. I kept looking down looking up looking down looking up at the TV I couldn't believe it. Freaky
Well done. I enjoy the movie Seabiscuit, it took too long to get to Seabiscuit and the horse racing in general in my opinion but the acting is solid and the Race scenes are expertly shot. If you do another one of these videos, could you do it on Hidalgo. it's one of my favorite horse movies.
I forgot that movie is based off a true story. Yeah that can definitely be done after I finish my Kentucky Derby videos.
@@SketchyTheHorseGuy The only truth in Hildago was that There was a Frank Hopkins. The Ocean of Fire endurance race was pure fiction.
The author of the book that the movie was taken from was a consultant in its production. I've read her book 3 times. It's obvious that they took bits and pieces from here and there to make sort of a compilation or montage of events and added some things for 'color'. It's just a movie after all. It was the spirit of that era and the story of Seabiscuit's rise and impact on the depression-era populace that they most wanted to capture as well as the major characteristics of the 3 most prominent members of the team: Red, Smith, and Howard. Not sure why they would make up race names for that particular streak of wins. As for Tick Tock McLaughlin, William H. Macy said he made him up. He was a colorful character and did a great job in my opinion. In the book, Charles Howard owned a horse named Tick Tock. Having said all that, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the book.
i thought the book was extremely well researched. i particularly liked the bit about the giant mound of manure lifted from the ground in a rainstorm and if i recall correctly, it headed down the backstretch before heading out to sea, creating a bit of mayhem afterwards, like a superior strain of mules being born in the hills around tijuana almost a year afterwards. it's been years since i read that, hope i got it right
@@hpharridan I almost know that book by heart and there was nothing in there that even resembles what you wrote.
@@hpharridan it's a year late but I gots to say, you take the cake, even for TH-cam.
Thanks for sharing.
I think the radio personality not being real is the most disappointing part
Not a horse person and only just recently watched the film, but nice video! I like how you put in the effort of cutting in portions of both historical footage and the film :) How do you like the film Secretariat in comparison?
Compared to Secretariat Seabiscuit in my opinion is a far better film. Since both are trying to make an inspiring underdog film about a racehorse but Seabiscuits story fits that role way better then Secretariat.
Well the Match Race with War Admiral was right on . The real race is just like it .
It's not real life. It's just a movie.
Had fun watching your video. I, too, love Seabiscuit. As a little girl with undiagnosed ASD, I had 2 heros, Seabiscuit and Ernie Banks. I still have the children's book by Ralph Moody, and a lovely print of Seabiscuit with Pollard up.
I think it would be fun if you tried your hand at calling a race. How about that match race? Should be quite fun.
Glad someone else looks up to this horse that print must be awesome. Coincidentally my dream job is to be a racecourse announcer I actually had a few old race calls on my channel but I deleted them because everyone made fun of them (it was 2 1/2 years ago). But if enough people want to see it I’d love to show it off my passion for calling in my videos
@@SketchyTheHorseGuy I'd love to hear you do it. Why not give it another try with the match race? Only 2 horses, so good practice.
Hope you don't mind a personal question. Do you have ASD too? Your passion for horse racing, and Seabiscuit in particular made me wonder. Also the comment about your voice by another listener made me wonder. It's really cool to find someone else with the same special interest.
@@dianepeterson917 I was diagnosed pretty young with ASD and had an individuel education plan throughout my academic career for it. The odd speaking mannerisms thing is just how I come off to some people.
Very nice work here, Sketchy. What about this story about the starter bell? Supposedly, Tom Smith took the bell and trained SB in the dark with it? True?
I checked to make sure and yeah the story about using the bell and whip to make Seabiscuit break faster before the Match Race did happen.
I have another little one that bothered me in the movie...
When Red meets Seabiscuit in the film, he gives him half of an apple, but in real life, Red takes out of sugar cube and gives it to Seabiscuit to calm him down.
I know to some it's not that big of a deal, but In the book, Laura Hildenbrand, let's you know that Red always would have a pocket of sugar cubes for just such a thing, so it didn't make any sense why they had to change that?
Sketchy I have two questions one what racetrack had the motor city handicap? Second what is the measurement for a horse’s length called?
To answer your first question the Motor City Handicap was held at the now demolished Detroit Race Course in Michigan (it's signature race was the Michigan mile and one eighth handicap). To answer your other question there isn't a fancy term for it to my knowledge.
@@SketchyTheHorseGuy and the 1 1/8 mile race was called the Michigan Mile, even though the distance wasn't a mile.
You're probably thinking of the term "hands" for a horse's height at the withers. One hand equals four inches.
0:20 you do have competition , Sir , and I am he
I only have one problem with this list of 10 and that’s Pollard’s blindness. There is no telling what he might have told Charles Howard or Tom Smith in a private conversation. Had either of them let the secret out if they did know, it would have ended Pollard’s career, so it is very possible that Howard and Smith knew as the movie suggested.
If you're the jock on a career making mount would you jeopardize that? I wouldn't.
Lmao your competition for loving this film is my mom... She fucking looooveeesss this movie
I've watched this movie at least 80 times and I love it too 🥺
You have 2 “alternative facts” that are ok. The other 8 are knit-picky facts you found to make the list longer, after you realized you only had 2 that were somewhat interesting. I mean, post position? That didn’t change the movie one iota and is totally irrelevant. I personally, could care less what Seabiscuits actual post-position was. Of course the movie is going to be more dramatic than the real-life version. It’s Hollywood! If they made the movie to be absolutely factually accurate, it would have bored the heck out of moviegoers, and probably wouldn’t be your “favorite movie “, anymore. All in all, some things were added, and some things were given some help from the drama department. But only because it was a necessity, in order to make the movie have better flow, and to keep audiences interested.
I think that can mostly attributed to the fact it is a very historically accurate movie. So to get it to 10 I had to talk about little parts that didn’t really matter to the story because they didn’t focus on them.
There was no reason to get race names or post position wrong. But, it doesn't make a bad movie. It was a great movie and now a thirties horse is famous again.
But people want to know facts from fiction. The book was full of anthropomorphic silliness. If the poster was a horse person he could have found plenty more.
Honestly, the truth could have been a better storyline for the movie ... especially leading up to War Admiral ...
Narrator has an odd speaking mannerism.
Thanks I guess
So let's get this straight...a movie studio takes artistic licence with a true story? haha...this applies to every movie "BASED" on a true story that has ever been made.
Not sure why the changed the names of the races Seabiscuit won though
They weren't close in hight
I believe War Admiral was very slightly taller, not enough to see any real difference. I'm no horse expert, but I believe the film kind of mixed War Admiral and his sire, Man O War together as Man O War was a big horse.
@Smoggington you like a soggy biscuit
@Smoggington they were speaking of Seabiscuit vs War Admiral, not their ancestor.
Thanks for sharing.
No, they were the same height.
Laura Hillibrand book Seabiscuit. I am currently reading it. I am an avid reader of horse books. I am not enjoying this book, it is written by a women and and it shows, too much trivial info is included. I have to speed read it to stop getting bored. Get to the point.
No movie is exact. Get a job. This is the worst video, not video, I have ever seen, not seen.
What part of "i'm making this video for fun, not to criticize the movie" do you not understand?
The movie is not exact.
They are wearing jockey goggles.... But Jockey goggles weren't invented until the late 40s, almost a decade after Biscuit raced.
There's also the Jai Ali building in the background of Caliente, that building does not exist there, never has.
It is on the opposite side of the track 2 miles away and out of view.
@@Elemental_Entity they also wear helmets and the track rails and other items are modern.
It's OK to let people know the actual facts on this horse, who has become part of history. I don't see it as denigrating the movie.
We all understand artistic license. But the interest in the horse, that was piqued by the movie, creates the desire to learn more.
I spent 18 years in the racehorse business, mostly as an exercise rider and only knew of Seabiscuit superficially until the book and movie. I only knew the name at first through Popeye cartoons. If the book and movie told some fibs, fans deserve the truth. At least Seabiscuit has millions of fans now. The book accomplished that.
@@stevek8829 Track Rails existed back then. They were also around in the previous centuries. Probably since the sport started.
They also wore caps back then made of thin velvet with no chin strap offering zero protection.
The first protective helmet to be use was the Agua Caliente Safety Helmet started in Tijuana Mexico in the the mid 50's. At that point goggles and safety helmet were required, but practically non existent prior.
Pollard rode Biscuit in the 1940 Santa Anita handicap, not Wolf.(so?) as the commentary says. The commentary actually seems to mingle parts of the match race with the Santa Anita handicap in 1940.