As a German from Hamburg (a Hamburger.. :D) I consider everything between burger buns a burger. Can be beef, chicken, fried chicken, fish, veggie.. And a sandwich is either something with toast or subway bread, Philly cheese steak bread, etc All in all it doesn't matter too much what you call it though
You don't even have your own history correct, as it comes from a Frikadelle that German immigrants called a "Hamburg Steak" in English, which is a ground beef patty. When made into a sandwhich it's a "hamburger"... the key is ground meat, not the bread. A ground beef patty on toasted sliced sourdough bread is still a Hamburger.
the term "burger" cam about in america as a short form of "hamburg steak" which was basically a grilled beef patty. it lost its original meaning of "beef patty in a bun" and basically became "meat in a bun" to the rest of the world. in america, a "chicken burger" would mean a patty made of minced chicken, whereas in australia and im guessing also in south africa, a chicken burger is just chicken in a bun
Burger is ground meat. Hamburger is ground beef. Salmon burger, ground salmon. Chicken burger, ground chicken. If it's whole or sliced, it's a sandwich. Steak sandwiches exist, but it's not ground beef.
Not quite as simple as that. If it's in a bun it could also be a roll, e.g. egg & bacon roll, salad roll etc. 😉 Not everything needs to fit into a definitive definition.
@@ahill8686I'd add. roll which is a long bread (albeit some bread roll can be round), and wrap which might be described as a flat bread. You can have a bacon & egg burger, roll, sandwich or wrap.
8:52 To the question, "tartar sauce or steak tartare, what came first?" the answer should be steak tartare. In medieval times, Turkish and Mongolian tribes, referred to as the Tartars (named after Tartarus, Greek mythology), used to eat low quality beef from Asian cattle cut into small pieces to make it more digestible. Steak tartar was served either raw or cooked and introduced into Germany around the 14th century, where the cooked version became the hamburger. Tartar sauce comes from France, invented around late 1800. The sauce consists of mayonaise with a lot of chopped strong flavors like chives, gherkins and tarragon. Since this sauce is a bit less smooth compared to other sauces in the French cuisine, they refer to it as Tartar sauce, as the Tartars were seen as a rough and violent. So Tartar sauce has nothing to do with steak Tartare, except for the fact that they are both named after the same people and in this video both end up on a bun.
In South Africa, if it's on a round (burger) bun it's a burger - this can be fish, chicken, or beef. If it is between two slices of bread, it's a sandwitch.
As someone from Southern California with more than half of my family and friends being either from Mexico or of Mexican descent, salt and pepper your avocado slices. Muy delicioso!
If it's any consolation for how Australians (and judging by the comments many other countries) use the term burger, the way Americans use the terms pudding and biscuit are both very specific and restrictive to their origin and the American pizza is not the same as it's Italian origin either. I think it's fair to accept an individual country's own local use without bowing to the cultural behemoth in the room.
I agree, but it's also fun to argue with your friends who are from other regions of the world about who is right about what is and isn't a burger (so long as you don't actually take it too seriously and can keep it in good fun).
@@Paldasan the difference is that americans use the word pudding to describe a specific thing, like we use burger to describe a specific thing, whereas british etc. call everything from sausage to bread to jello "pudding" we dont like vagueness, in word or in action
I mean I tend to find that's the opposite, at least here. I've asked lots of my american (I'm british) friends about this. While we have lots of things that have "pudding" in the name, if someone asks you in the UK if you'd like "pudding", they're asking if you want dessert. If it is anything else, they will use the full name. Black pudding, yorkshire pudding, bread pudding. The names have the same word in, but you'll never hear someone shorten it in a way that removes one of the words. Part of it is I assume the fact that all those immigrating cultures had to blend together and stuff became vague. Say "sandwich" to someone in the UK and they will imagine two slices of white bread with whatever their favourite filling is. They will not imagine a bagel with cream cheese, a banh mi, or some sort of subway-esque sandwich. Which are all sandwiches, yes, but we would only ever say their proper name. The same thing goes for "noodles". In america this term covers both asian noodles and italian pasta. You'll never hear someone say noodles to mean pasta here, and people will usually specify by type of pasta as well. I've found that we're very pedantic about these things.
@@Stormwolf45 imagine if americans called a birthday cake, a can of peaches, and a bowl of soup "pizza" and also called pizza "pizza". birthday pizza, can pizza, bowl pizza, and just pizza. sounds silly yes?
1:01 It comes from Europe as a by-product of processing grain. Mostly in countries where beer is made in large quantities. Like Czechia and Germany. One of the benefits is that proteins do not come from fish like many alternatives. And it is not that far from Vegemite :)
I’m from New Zealand, Hawaiian , fish , chicken, beef they are burgers, even the buns are called burger buns, sandwich is made with just bread slices that are not toasted, even google calls them burgers 🍔 🇳🇿😀😊, have a great day
American here. I live in Texas where we call pretty much any ground meat or veggie patty on a bun or bread a burger. We have beef, salmon, shrimp, turkey, bison, venison, emu, black bean, and myriad other burgers. If it's whole pieces of same on a bun or bread, it's a sandwich. A patty melt looks like a sandwich, but we think of it as a burger. It's quite subjective and we'll eat it no matter what it's called.
So I'm fairly new to your channel. I've watched most of your videos over the past few month. Love how you have grown into the production you have now. I've always loved to cook and I grow up in my dads restaurant, and my grandmothers italian kitchen. If i need an idea of what ot make for dinner your content never fails to inspire something delish. Keep up the good work. I know production life is tough. Thank you.
as a german i need to say that most of us also say chicken burger. for fish we have fish burger and fishbrötchen what translates to fishroll i think. it all comes down to what bun you use for the meal.
This feels like an analogue of one of those cases where an expat population clings to the historic ways (or definitions in this case - I mean I'm pretty sure it has happened with the Spanish language so it applies to words for sure) as it is important to maintain their identity in a new culture while those back in their country of origin adapt and change naturally. You then end up with the situation that the expats do things in a way that is no longer done where they originally came from and their modern ways look incredibly old fashioned to those back home and are not considered something that is an important cultural practice or trait. I respect Mr Motz' knowledge of the history and I always find etymology interesting but history is not definitive of current meaning and he seems to place undue weight on it and too little weight on contemporary usage which is critical to discerning meaning in language. What he says may well be true for the USA but it appears it is not so in many other countries?
I’ve done these “burgers” forever but not with these particular complimentary condiments. I’ve never thought to have the discussion with myself whether what I was making was a burger or a sandwich. To me if it’s on a round bun, it’s a burger. If it’s on a long bun it’s a sub and if it’s in a tortilla it’s, you know, a tortilla or a wrap.
That threw me off one time looking at McDonalds. The burgers were listed under sandwiches. One of the first burger places in the USA actually has burgers on sandwich bread. In Japan, Hamburger I think means something like a Salisbury Steak
@@JoeStuffzAlt varies by region in japan. As fast food burgers have grown more popular, they tend to call it Hamburg Steak instead of Hamburger from what I saw in Tokyo.
You're right about Maggi - it's a Swiss thing, and here in Poland we use it as a sort of extra "sauce" to add to our soups like chicken noodle soup (rosół).
I take a hybrid approach. If the meat is ground up and formed into a patty, you can call it a burger. Entire filets or steaks are sandwiches. This means you can have a chicken sandwich and a chicken burger with the exact same toppings, but they are different things and the name tells you exactly how they’re different.
Hi AC 👋. I'm a pretty new subscriber, and I have to say I watch a lot of cooking shows and race off feeling inspired until, well, I don't.😂. You, my good man, are a little different. Maybe it's our shared ethnicity, (where a snag is something on the barbie, not a temporary problem), but you leave me feeling a little more inspired than others. I'm sure I heard 'maggi' sauce tonight, gosh, a trip down the childhood memory lane dinner table, and leaving me hungry to make burgers....not sandwiches!😊 Love your channel, in case that's not yet clear. Great job.
That's mostly true in Australia. But if you order a "bacon and egg roll" then it is probably the same bun they use for the burgers. The difference between a "roll" and a burger bun is pretty vague only fancy places would bother to stock two different types of savoury roll. A bacon and egg roll is just egg and bacon and maybe cheese and sauce. If it's a bacon and egg burger than it has a beef patty in it.
The main thing is it absolutely cannot be a sandwich unless on sandwich bread. It can be a roll etc, but not a sandwich. Even subway technically isn’t counted as a sandwich.
Andy if it goes into a soft round bun then its a burger no matter what the protein, if its in a square shaped sliced bread then its a sandwich, its always been the case in my family in the UK.
To me, if the meat is ground (minced)and formed into a patty, it makes a burger. It doesn't matter what meat it is. Salmon, chicken, beef, pork, whatever. If it's whole, it makes a sandwich.
I guess it is difficult for me in the UK to use the word "sandwich" for anything which is not on sandwich bread. If I put bacon between two buttered slices of sandwich bread then it is a bacon sandwich (or butty). If I put the same amount of bacon in a butter sliced roll, it is a bacon roll (or bap, or barm). But we "invented" the sandwich in 1762. and hence have a longer history of what is a sandwich than other nations that stole the hamburger from Germany
Following that logic then a chicken breast on a roll,bun,bap,barm cake,etc, should be called a chicken bap,bun,barm ,and not a chicken burger,to me a burger is always minced meat,as in beef,lamb,pork,and so on.Hamburger was not stolen from Germany,it was brought to the US by German immigrates ,I’m sure the UK didn’t steal doner Kabab,but it was introduced by immigrants.
When you ask someone to go to the store to get sandwich bread, they never grab burger buns. I live in the states and I call anything on a burger bun a burger. Keep up the great content mate!
Maggi sauce, it was also a dutch colony. Also another spice you more like is Sambal Oelek, very hot. We also put this in our soup along with maggi, or if you grow the plant throw a few leaves in . Mmmmmm.
In my opinion it just comes down to whether or not it has a ground patty in it. Could be ground beef, could be ground chicken, could be a salmon patty, could be a veggie patty. I don't think the type of bread matters. For example, I'd call a patty melt a type of burger despite using sliced bread. And George is right, all burgers are sandwiches. It's a subcategory of sandwich.
Just with the caramelised onions, a lady who'd been running the footy club canteen for years gave me a big hint. Put the onions in a pan or flat grill get it hot then add a healthy splash of lemonade and put a cover over it. Excellent outcome very quickly.
First, it's a fish sandwich and I'll explain below. George nails it. One of the best hamburgers is a patti ment which is served on grilled rye bread. A hamburger doesn't have to be beef, just ground meat (as opposed to seafood). One of my favourite restaurants when I was in college served ostrich and venison burgers. Turkey burgers are very common on diner menus all over the country (except maybe Texas😂).
Maggi is a „all in“ my Mum used to use for soups a lot. If you run out of it and still have a bit space in your herb garden, try to get Levisticum officinale which is the main flavor of Maggi ;)
Hey Andy great videos. Can I ask for the next one that you do a video on when to use a fan forced oven "setting" I.e what particular foods vs the other setting that has the parallel lines icon. Pretty please
Question for chef: have you ever tried sticking a fork or skewer into marinating chicken to let the marinade get right through the fillet? Would it make any difference? Great recipes by the way, love your channel.
In my part of America, Minnesota, we call any kind of ground meat in a patty between a bun, a burger. It doesnt neccicarily have to be beef. We have chicken burgers, tuna burgers, salmon burgers, and even bison burgers. If the filet of meat is left whole, then its a sandwich. We also have steak sandwiches that are in a burger bun!
Hey Andy I'm a student in chef school and I have a little request could you make Swedish Sill. And ylthanks for all the kitchen tips you saved my ass more than once in school 😅
The "Maggi" you use is a Switzerland brand, and also common in Germany, especially for soups. While no one will ever approve here, but it is somewhat like a soy sauce, with lots of msg.
• Hamburgers invented in 1885. • Hamburger buns invented in 1916. They were still hamburgers when they were simply sold on a plate without bread. It’s why we refer to ground meat patties as burgers. Not anything served inside a round bun.
Hamburger and burger aren't the same term though, and burger is an evolution of the term that doesn't just refer to the original hamburgers. The original "hamburger" you are referring to is a hamburg steak, not a hamburger. They truly became hamburgers with the addition of the bun. If you went to a restaurant and were served a hamburger without a bun you would feel ripped off, because the term hamburger has evolved to require the bun. Burgers are a further evolution of the term and doesn't require beef or ground meat. Terms evolve and change with time.
According to Oxford Languages, a burger is: "a dish consisting of a round patty of ground beef, or sometimes another savory ingredient, that is fried or grilled and typically served in a split bun or roll with various condiments and toppings." A burger is an abbreviation of hamburger. Wiki has a pretty good discussion including a few theories on the history of the hamburger. Ditto "sandwich".
As an American, I have been eating cheeseburgers for most of my 7 decades of being alive. I've only started eating chicken sandwiches in the last 30 years. For me, if it's made with hamburger, aka minced beef, it's a burger. If it's made with chicken or fish, or something else it's a sandwich.
To me it’s only a burger if it has ground meat,we say lamb burger,and you can say pork burger,but a piece of meat whether sliced,or solid on any sort of bread with a top is a sandwich.In the UK,it only seems that a chicken breast is also called a burger,though some say if it’s on a bun it’s a burger,but that doesn’t hold up as they eat other things on a bun,like bacon,or sausages,and don’t call it a burger.😊
Where I grew up (west coast of Canada), you'll find halibut burgers on lots of menus, it's pretty standard, although it would be a fried piece of fish (sometimes with cheese, like a filet-o-fish, though I prefer mine without). You'd also definitely find chicken burgers too... typically grilled chicken breast with all the fixins. Funnily enough, I consider the halibut burger a burger and the chicken burger a sandwich, and I would order the former but probably not the latter. I'd prefer a chicken club (do you have club sandwiches in Australia?) if I'm going to have a chicken sando.
As a Texan, if the meat in a patty made from a ground meat (or meat substitute), then it's a burger. If the meat is a whole piece or slices of something (Chicken, Brisket, etc) It's a sandwich.
I can see the reasoning behind George's argument, but it doesn't make usage outside the US any more wrong. A sandwich is defined by the thinner sliced bread, a burger is defined by the buns. In turn a sandwich is usually a snack, and a burger is part of a meal. It's a lot simpler and means that you're not calling a PB&J, and a chicken 'sandwich', the same thing when they are almost completely different things.
@@brettanomyces7077American English isn’t the English spoken in other English speaking countries. You would never call anything a sandwich elsewhere unless it was on sandwich bread. If you put a hamburger on sandwich bread here it would be a rissole sandwich. If you put it on sourdough you’d lose your citizenship.
@@peter65zzfdfh The US CREATED what you call a "burger". There's no such thing as "sandwich bread" a sandwich can be on sliced bread, it can be on a long roll, it can be on a round roll, it can be on a baguette, etc. A burger IS a type of sandwich. Sorry, y'all got it wrong. It's called a sandwich because it's filling sandwiched between two pieces of bread. That includes a bun.
@@brettanomyces7077 "The US created what you call a burger" uh... noone can agree who invented the Hamburger mate, but if you look up a Rundstück warm it's probably around Hamburg... y'know, the place in Germany. PS Sandwich bread - sliced thin for sandwiches, toast bread = sliced thick, for toasting. Is that not a thing in the USA?
Not sure if you have ever had a chili cheese burger but they re S tier if you dont know. Los Angeles is famous for chili cheese burgers. I would love to see your take on it.( i put pickles, onion and mustard on mine, need that tang to offset the richness)
FINALLY! The definitive answer! A hamburger is a sandwich but not all sandwiches are hamburgers. The "burger" bun has nothing to do with it. Lots of American diners all across the country serve their hamburgers on any bread you want...my favorite is a cheeseburger on toasted rye bread with caraway seeds; lettuce, tomato, onions - raw or grilled. Pickles on the side. The burger buns became popular much later with all the fast food burger joints like McDonalds, White Castle, etc. When I was growing up in Queens NY in the '60s Jewish Rye bread was the most popular choice. Not that I'm too attached to that, yous guys can call anything yous want anything yous guys want ("Yous" = New York plural of "you". Often accompanied by "guys").
what if there's only ham and salad between them? I think it needs to contain a hot slab of meat to be a burger. Traditionally it would be a patty of minced beef/lamb/pork/chicken, but chicken schnitzel burgers are very popular and they have a flattened solid chicken breast...
I always thought Maggi came from The Netherlands, which w/could explain the prevalence of usage in Indonesia, that being a former colony. However, it was 'invented' in Switserland! Production started in 1872 and in 1908 stock cubes were created. Production only started in NL around 1915. Its still very popular here and I assume it was brought over by people to bring 'a taste of home'.
I've always thought of a ground meat patty being a necessary component of a burger. That is, I wouldn't take umbrage if I heard a sandwich featuring a patty made of ground chicken being called a "chicken burger". I'm not such a purist that I would require the meat to be beef, though.
A chicken burger refers to the burger bun, it is not short for hamburger, although Berger can also be shorthand for hamburger. A chicken sandwich refers to the use of sandwich bread.
So by that math and logic, when you put a real burger in a "burger".. you're eating a burger burger. Do you go to the restaurant and ask for a burger burger? lol
the problem with this is there is no such thing as a "Burger Bun", there are buns you will put a burger on, but it could literally be any type of bun, there are many, but "burger" is not a type of bun.
@@jmangan17 there is actually such a thing as a burger bun. It’s a type of bun specifically made for hamburgers, but then expanded for use of any type of sandwich because nobody can stop a hungry man. If you look up burger bun you’ll find tons of them, and there is a specific bread recipe difference between burger buns and other types of buns although at this point nobody cares. Originally it was some a homemade yeast bun.
@@justvibingtomusic if you’re gonna be an ass hole you should at least be smart about it, but I’ll spell it out for you so you don’t have to re-read my original comment Burger bun: Berger was originally shorthand for hamburger, and then around 1900 the use of a bun instead of sandwich bread was popularized, and then it became a product. The name of the product varies but both Berger bun and hamburger buns exist. The confusion comes from marketing using the shorthand for burger and the full hamburger bun as the same product. Generally if it’s specifically a hamburger bun it’ll have sesame seeds these days, but you can still get hamburger buns without that and in various different types of bread with both marketing terms. At this point from a marketing perspective there is no clear line between them. Over time the use of the short hand burger began to refer more to the bread with the expectation that any hamburger would use a bun, where as a sandwich could be anything. You wouldn’t go into a restaurant and order a burger and have it come on sandwich bread. The point being that the term hamburger is in reference to the meat, while the term Berger is in reference to the bun. You wouldn’t call the bun itself a hamburger, so the bun itself is known as a burger bun. If you order a chicken sandwich and it comes on a bun, you can say chicken burger because that is a hamburger bun without a hamburger in it. You could say a chicken sandwich on a hamburger bun or just bun, but thats way too long to say and there’s no reason to say it when the shorthand burger already applies to the bun.
I love George Motz, but if it's on a bun it's a burger here in OZ, call it a sandwich all you like in yankyland, but the second I hear someone call it a chicken sandwich in Australia is the moment I slap that chicken burger out of their hands
Chicken Burger is a ground chicken patty, not a piece of chicken in sandwhich form. Bread is irrelevant. Go ahead and slap the sando and get ready for a roundhouse.
I'm somewhere between George and Aussies. For me, it's the form factor of the protein inside the bun, it should be a disc shaped patty of ground meat, either pre-formed or made by smashing on a hot pan/griddle, that is held together without needing any additional binders or fillers like egg or breadcrumb and seasoned on the outside. So a sandwich made with a patty of beef, or chicken, or even fish/crab would count as a burger for me. But if you use breadcrumbs, and/or egg to hold it together, you're making a meatball/meatloaf or a crab or fish cake instead of a burger.
Def a fish sandwich, when you say you're making a fish or chicken burger, id assume that you're using ground meat to form a patty. but im from the states
To me, as a kiwi, a sandwich is made with sliced bread, and a burger is made with a bun. If the bun has cold sliced deli style meat (ham, pastrami etc, or even sliced, cold roast meat), then I'd call that a roll (although that may just be something unique to my household).
@@heath780391 in that case, im curious how you would categorize a "patty melt". Beef burger patty with caramelized onion and melted cheese on toasted bread? Beef burger sandwich?
@@natematheny8710 I can't say I've ever come across that term, or the item itself (which is probably why I've not heard of it). From your description it sounds something of a hybrid, and my only two short circuiting brain cells would probably call that a toastie (if I'd not heard its preferred term). A toastie is short for Toasted Sandwich. What people in North America would call a grilled sandwich. We make our toasties a bit differently too, we (in general) use a sandwich press/panini maker. Either way you look at it, a toastie is neither grilled, nor toasted.
For me, its the shape ,texture, and cooking method of the protein in the sandwich that determines its burger-ness. For instance: even the most hardline "it's only a burger if it's beef" crowd would not call a round grilled patty made out of plant based ingredients on a bun with lettuce, tomato, and onions anything but a Veggie Burger. Also, a round patty made out of any ground, formed, and grilled meat served on a bun is simply a [insert protein here] burger. Turkey burger, beef burger, pork burger, chicken burger, shrimp burger, crabcake burger, salmon burger, etc... for me it's the ground/minced protein that is made into a round puck and grilled or griddled. What makes it a "sandwich" instead when it's served on a bun is the protein being whole, breaded and fried, etc... Specifically not preparing the protien like you would a beef burger makes it not a burger but a sandwich. Fried or grilled chicken thighs? Sandwich. Whole fish fillet? Sandwich. Slices of steak? Sandwich. Loose meat like a Sloppy Joe? Sandwich. Is a bunch of sliced cold cuts on a bun a burger? Absolutely not. It is a sandwich. The only one I'm iffy about is a fried chicken patty, but since it is not grilled or griddled, I'd have to put it with the sandwiches.
Would love to come and see you in Aus, maybe if you do courses or some kind of training it’ll be a dream to learn from you. As for me i’d call it fish in buns 😅
Languages are fluid, meanings, and usages of words change over time. Like when someone says to "google" something. The search engine has become so popular that its name has become a verb, its meaning has changed.
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@@heath780391 yeah, bit that's hardly an answer to what the other guy said. At all.
It's not an answer, it's a counter statement. Here in the antipodes, we call anything made with a bun, a burger, and sliced bread, a sandwich. My point being that it's a difference in the use of language.
Great video Andy as always. America can do there thing, but in Australia it will always be a burger if it’s between a bun and a sandwich if it’s between bread doesn’t matter what’s inside it.
Tartar or tartare refers to the same thing in both tartar sauce or steak tartare. It's named for a kind of soldier on horseback from areas between Turkey and the Ural mountains who supposedly tenderised meat by putting it under their saddles while riding.
A burger contains a patty of ground meat or seafood or vegetables. The type of bread used is irrelevant. The name burger comes from the patty of meat not the bun. A hamburger plate has no bread at all.
For my way of thinking here in the US, if you grind your meat, be it beef, chicken, turkey etc., it can be made into a burger patty and thus you have a burger regardless of the type of bread or bun that you may use. If you cook your meat, of any type, on the grill, flattop, pan etc., without grinding it up, you have a sandwich, again, regardless of the type of bread that you use.
Mandolin usage: reminded myself to get food grade cut gloves, as I misjudged a potato slice and got bit. Healed fine, but fingernail is a bit wonky, and will be until it grows out. Have a guide for it, though usage is awkward until its tines get a good bite.
If I recall correctly, the hamburger descends from sandwiches of fish in a bread roll served in Hamburg in the 19th century, which German immigrants to America changed to beef owing to their settling mostly in inland areas. I don't know how true that is.
So, if it’s specifically a ground meat patty in a bun, it’s likely a hamburger. If it’s anything between slices of bread (or sometimes wraps or rolls), it’s a sandwich thats what I think. Love your video as always Andy!
in Slovakia it works the same way... if its in bun, its burger, if its between2 slices of bread, its sandwitch
Everything's a sandwich with 2 pieces of bread
@@grimmy7937 I can't believe we have to explain this to people! 😂😂😂
What I can believe is that we have to explain Americans that there's a whole world outside of your country...
@@grimmy7937 not in Slovakia.... the slovak word bread applies only to the big loaf you slice up... bun, bagel, brioche etc are not bread here
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So what's a hotdog?
As a German from Hamburg (a Hamburger.. :D) I consider everything between burger buns a burger. Can be beef, chicken, fried chicken, fish, veggie..
And a sandwich is either something with toast or subway bread, Philly cheese steak bread, etc
All in all it doesn't matter too much what you call it though
Agreed 👍
I think that settles it.
You don't even have your own history correct, as it comes from a Frikadelle that German immigrants called a "Hamburg Steak" in English, which is a ground beef patty. When made into a sandwhich it's a "hamburger"... the key is ground meat, not the bread. A ground beef patty on toasted sliced sourdough bread is still a Hamburger.
@@brettanomyces7077 Bruh, it seems like you didn't even read their comment.
@@brettanomyces7077oof, so Japanese sandos are really burgers?
In South Africa we call it a burger if its in a round bun. That's how we know it. My little South African heart id dying to know the difference
Yup. To me anything in a burger bun is a burger. and all burgers are sandwiches. but not all sandwiches are burgers
the term "burger" cam about in america as a short form of "hamburg steak" which was basically a grilled beef patty. it lost its original meaning of "beef patty in a bun" and basically became "meat in a bun" to the rest of the world. in america, a "chicken burger" would mean a patty made of minced chicken, whereas in australia and im guessing also in south africa, a chicken burger is just chicken in a bun
Burger is ground meat. Hamburger is ground beef. Salmon burger, ground salmon. Chicken burger, ground chicken.
If it's whole or sliced, it's a sandwich. Steak sandwiches exist, but it's not ground beef.
can confirm. in south africa round bread - burger, square bread sandwiches.
As a South African, it always come across as hilariously fancy and affected when the Americans call a hamburger a sandwich
This is Australia, mate. If it’s in a bun - it’s a burger! If it’s in sliced bread - it’s a sandwich. It’s that simple. Cheers 🍔
Not quite as simple as that. If it's in a bun it could also be a roll, e.g. egg & bacon roll, salad roll etc. 😉
Not everything needs to fit into a definitive definition.
Roo burger FTW!
@@ahill8686I'd add. roll which is a long bread (albeit some bread roll can be round), and wrap which might be described as a flat bread.
You can have a bacon & egg burger, roll, sandwich or wrap.
what about rolls?
Totally!!!
Yes, Maggi comes from Switzerland. It's a lot used here in Germany.
8:52 To the question, "tartar sauce or steak tartare, what came first?" the answer should be steak tartare.
In medieval times, Turkish and Mongolian tribes, referred to as the Tartars (named after Tartarus, Greek mythology), used to eat low quality beef from Asian cattle cut into small pieces to make it more digestible. Steak tartar was served either raw or cooked and introduced into Germany around the 14th century, where the cooked version became the hamburger.
Tartar sauce comes from France, invented around late 1800. The sauce consists of mayonaise with a lot of chopped strong flavors like chives, gherkins and tarragon. Since this sauce is a bit less smooth compared to other sauces in the French cuisine, they refer to it as Tartar sauce, as the Tartars were seen as a rough and violent.
So Tartar sauce has nothing to do with steak Tartare, except for the fact that they are both named after the same people and in this video both end up on a bun.
Tartare!
In South Africa, if it's on a round (burger) bun it's a burger - this can be fish, chicken, or beef. If it is between two slices of bread, it's a sandwitch.
Köszönjük!
As someone from Southern California with more than half of my family and friends being either from Mexico or of Mexican descent, salt and pepper your avocado slices. Muy delicioso!
If it's any consolation for how Australians (and judging by the comments many other countries) use the term burger, the way Americans use the terms pudding and biscuit are both very specific and restrictive to their origin and the American pizza is not the same as it's Italian origin either. I think it's fair to accept an individual country's own local use without bowing to the cultural behemoth in the room.
I agree, but it's also fun to argue with your friends who are from other regions of the world about who is right about what is and isn't a burger (so long as you don't actually take it too seriously and can keep it in good fun).
@@Paldasan the difference is that americans use the word pudding to describe a specific thing, like we use burger to describe a specific thing, whereas british etc. call everything from sausage to bread to jello "pudding"
we dont like vagueness, in word or in action
I mean I tend to find that's the opposite, at least here. I've asked lots of my american (I'm british) friends about this. While we have lots of things that have "pudding" in the name, if someone asks you in the UK if you'd like "pudding", they're asking if you want dessert. If it is anything else, they will use the full name. Black pudding, yorkshire pudding, bread pudding. The names have the same word in, but you'll never hear someone shorten it in a way that removes one of the words.
Part of it is I assume the fact that all those immigrating cultures had to blend together and stuff became vague. Say "sandwich" to someone in the UK and they will imagine two slices of white bread with whatever their favourite filling is. They will not imagine a bagel with cream cheese, a banh mi, or some sort of subway-esque sandwich. Which are all sandwiches, yes, but we would only ever say their proper name.
The same thing goes for "noodles". In america this term covers both asian noodles and italian pasta. You'll never hear someone say noodles to mean pasta here, and people will usually specify by type of pasta as well.
I've found that we're very pedantic about these things.
@@Stormwolf45 imagine if americans called a birthday cake, a can of peaches, and a bowl of soup "pizza" and also called pizza "pizza".
birthday pizza, can pizza, bowl pizza, and just pizza.
sounds silly yes?
Well said
1:01 It comes from Europe as a by-product of processing grain. Mostly in countries where beer is made in large quantities. Like Czechia and Germany. One of the benefits is that proteins do not come from fish like many alternatives. And it is not that far from Vegemite :)
I’m from New Zealand, Hawaiian , fish , chicken, beef they are burgers, even the buns are called burger buns, sandwich is made with just bread slices that are not toasted, even google calls them burgers 🍔 🇳🇿😀😊, have a great day
Andy's a Kiwi ... Turks chicken 🐔 is his familys business
Andy has the kiwi accent, suppose Turks chicken 🐔 is only in the cities?
@@rose-rose13 not at all it's all over the country
Burger! - they are sandwiches yes, but the style of the sandwich is a burger, beef = hamburger, chicken fish, = burger, there's you explanation
American here. I live in Texas where we call pretty much any ground meat or veggie patty on a bun or bread a burger. We have beef, salmon, shrimp, turkey, bison, venison, emu, black bean, and myriad other burgers. If it's whole pieces of same on a bun or bread, it's a sandwich. A patty melt looks like a sandwich, but we think of it as a burger. It's quite subjective and we'll eat it no matter what it's called.
But that's the American way. A burger is GROUND meat.
@@borisbalkan707not always. Like they said, black bean is considered a burger. It’s kind of about it being a patty, not ground meat.
Australian here, so you took our Emu's did you? Weren't you content with your Ostriches?
@@flain283 you obviously couldn’t handle your emus so we had to step in.
Agreed here, the distinction is the meat (or meat substitute) must be ground for it to be a burger!
So I'm fairly new to your channel. I've watched most of your videos over the past few month. Love how you have grown into the production you have now. I've always loved to cook and I grow up in my dads restaurant, and my grandmothers italian kitchen. If i need an idea of what ot make for dinner your content never fails to inspire something delish. Keep up the good work. I know production life is tough. Thank you.
as a german i need to say that most of us also say chicken burger. for fish we have fish burger and fishbrötchen what translates to fishroll i think. it all comes down to what bun you use for the meal.
This feels like an analogue of one of those cases where an expat population clings to the historic ways (or definitions in this case - I mean I'm pretty sure it has happened with the Spanish language so it applies to words for sure) as it is important to maintain their identity in a new culture while those back in their country of origin adapt and change naturally. You then end up with the situation that the expats do things in a way that is no longer done where they originally came from and their modern ways look incredibly old fashioned to those back home and are not considered something that is an important cultural practice or trait. I respect Mr Motz' knowledge of the history and I always find etymology interesting but history is not definitive of current meaning and he seems to place undue weight on it and too little weight on contemporary usage which is critical to discerning meaning in language. What he says may well be true for the USA but it appears it is not so in many other countries?
My adhd got me it is mainly a saddletail snapper, but it also can be other versions of snapper found around Australia. All of your food looks so good.
Love your channel♥♥......I have never commented before...but I always put my fingers in the pickles n I have never had a issue
I always love the chill vibe of Andy's videos, love to watch them with a cuppa in the morning. ☺
I’ve done these “burgers” forever but not with these particular complimentary condiments. I’ve never thought to have the discussion with myself whether what I was making was a burger or a sandwich.
To me if it’s on a round bun, it’s a burger. If it’s on a long bun it’s a sub and if it’s in a tortilla it’s, you know, a tortilla or a wrap.
Every single one of these look wonderful. Thanks Andy❤️
Nice! Another quote to use 'Always butter your buns'. 'Always blow on the pie'.
It doesn't matter what I believe! We respect The Motz! Thank you chef. Your videos are a safe haven! 🙏
A bun is a bread and a burger is a sandwich. I look at it as a 'square to rectangle' thing.
Burgers are called sandwiches as I remember from old time promo material at least.
That threw me off one time looking at McDonalds. The burgers were listed under sandwiches. One of the first burger places in the USA actually has burgers on sandwich bread. In Japan, Hamburger I think means something like a Salisbury Steak
@@JoeStuffzAlt varies by region in japan. As fast food burgers have grown more popular, they tend to call it Hamburg Steak instead of Hamburger from what I saw in Tokyo.
A burger is a ground beef patty sandwich.
You always do a great job Andy!!
American English is different,in Australia if you say sandwich you are referring to a specific thickness and cut of a loafed bread
Thickness ajd cut of the bread has nothing to do with it being called a sandwich
You're right about Maggi - it's a Swiss thing, and here in Poland we use it as a sort of extra "sauce" to add to our soups like chicken noodle soup (rosół).
I’ve been to Hamburger America in NYC and the Fried Onion Burger is excellent. If anyone is in NYC definitely check it out.
Just ordered your new book to be delivered to the UK. Looking forward to receiving and reding it 🙌
I take a hybrid approach. If the meat is ground up and formed into a patty, you can call it a burger. Entire filets or steaks are sandwiches.
This means you can have a chicken sandwich and a chicken burger with the exact same toppings, but they are different things and the name tells you exactly how they’re different.
This. 100%. Ground patty on a bun = burger. Ground patty on toast = melt.
Thank god someone with sense
Exactly 👍
Hi AC 👋. I'm a pretty new subscriber, and I have to say I watch a lot of cooking shows and race off feeling inspired until, well, I don't.😂. You, my good man, are a little different. Maybe it's our shared ethnicity, (where a snag is something on the barbie, not a temporary problem), but you leave me feeling a little more inspired than others. I'm sure I heard 'maggi' sauce tonight, gosh, a trip down the childhood memory lane dinner table, and leaving me hungry to make burgers....not sandwiches!😊 Love your channel, in case that's not yet clear. Great job.
That's mostly true in Australia. But if you order a "bacon and egg roll" then it is probably the same bun they use for the burgers. The difference between a "roll" and a burger bun is pretty vague only fancy places would bother to stock two different types of savoury roll. A bacon and egg roll is just egg and bacon and maybe cheese and sauce. If it's a bacon and egg burger than it has a beef patty in it.
The main thing is it absolutely cannot be a sandwich unless on sandwich bread. It can be a roll etc, but not a sandwich. Even subway technically isn’t counted as a sandwich.
Yep. Subway, hotdogs etc definitely not sandwiches as they aren't between two pieces of sliced bread.
Maybe depends on the state, but in NSW at least a B&E Roll is more likely to be a long bread, like a 6" or 12" subway roll
The difference between a roll and burger is the thickness of the main filling.
I tried the chicken recipe last night: absolutely delicious! That marinade is off the chart! Thanks Andy.
When a burger goes on a vision quest in the desert with her cauldron in tow, she then becomes a sandwich.
Thanks for the giggle 😂
Andy if it goes into a soft round bun then its a burger no matter what the protein, if its in a square shaped sliced bread then its a sandwich, its always been the case in my family in the UK.
To me, if the meat is ground (minced)and formed into a patty, it makes a burger. It doesn't matter what meat it is. Salmon, chicken, beef, pork, whatever. If it's whole, it makes a sandwich.
This is my philosophy too. Even mixed ground/minced meats formed into a patty would be burger meat, like mixing beef and pork or lamb and veal.
This. This is the answer.
Except for a salad roll!
Chopped cheese? Sloppy Joe? Both beef. Both ground meat. Both considered sandwiches.
Lawyered.
@@croppy666 hence my comment. So you're agreeing with me?
This all looks delicious. I usually add a little pickle brine/vinegar and a bit of lemon juice to brighten it up my tartar sauce
I guess it is difficult for me in the UK to use the word "sandwich" for anything which is not on sandwich bread. If I put bacon between two buttered slices of sandwich bread then it is a bacon sandwich (or butty). If I put the same amount of bacon in a butter sliced roll, it is a bacon roll (or bap, or barm). But we "invented" the sandwich in 1762. and hence have a longer history of what is a sandwich than other nations that stole the hamburger from Germany
History began in 1776. Everything before was a mistake.
Following that logic then a chicken breast on a roll,bun,bap,barm cake,etc, should be called a chicken bap,bun,barm ,and not a chicken burger,to me a burger is always minced meat,as in beef,lamb,pork,and so on.Hamburger was not stolen from Germany,it was brought to the US by German immigrates ,I’m sure the UK didn’t steal doner Kabab,but it was introduced by immigrants.
you are correct. sandwich is 2 slices of bread, burger is in a burger bun. filling is irrelevant.
Did it come from the English town Sandwich ? i see there's a golf course there as well which maybe came from a sand wedge 😂
@@pricey4566 apparently from the Earl of Sandwich requesting meat between to slices of bread as a snack to eat while playing cards
Awesome! Looks yummy.
When you ask someone to go to the store to get sandwich bread, they never grab burger buns. I live in the states and I call anything on a burger bun a burger. Keep up the great content mate!
Maggi sauce, it was also a dutch colony. Also another spice you more like is Sambal Oelek, very hot. We also put this in our soup along with maggi, or if you grow the plant throw a few leaves in . Mmmmmm.
In my opinion it just comes down to whether or not it has a ground patty in it. Could be ground beef, could be ground chicken, could be a salmon patty, could be a veggie patty. I don't think the type of bread matters. For example, I'd call a patty melt a type of burger despite using sliced bread.
And George is right, all burgers are sandwiches. It's a subcategory of sandwich.
Just with the caramelised onions, a lady who'd been running the footy club canteen for years gave me a big hint. Put the onions in a pan or flat grill get it hot then add a healthy splash of lemonade and put a cover over it. Excellent outcome very quickly.
First, it's a fish sandwich and I'll explain below. George nails it. One of the best hamburgers is a patti ment which is served on grilled rye bread.
A hamburger doesn't have to be beef, just ground meat (as opposed to seafood). One of my favourite restaurants when I was in college served ostrich and venison burgers. Turkey burgers are very common on diner menus all over the country (except maybe Texas😂).
Maggi is a „all in“ my Mum used to use for soups a lot. If you run out of it and still have a bit space in your herb garden, try to get Levisticum officinale which is the main flavor of Maggi ;)
There's gotta be some name for a phobia of seeing people use a mandolin w/out a guard lol
I believe its called common sense :D
Hey Andy great videos. Can I ask for the next one that you do a video on when to use a fan forced oven "setting" I.e what particular foods vs the other setting that has the parallel lines icon.
Pretty please
It’s just damn good either way! Sandwich or burger!
Question for chef: have you ever tried sticking a fork or skewer into marinating chicken to let the marinade get right through the fillet? Would it make any difference?
Great recipes by the way, love your channel.
George Motz is the patron saint of burgers.
Chicken and fish burgers as well?
In my part of America, Minnesota, we call any kind of ground meat in a patty between a bun, a burger. It doesnt neccicarily have to be beef. We have chicken burgers, tuna burgers, salmon burgers, and even bison burgers. If the filet of meat is left whole, then its a sandwich. We also have steak sandwiches that are in a burger bun!
The way I look at it is if the protein is ground up (beef, chicken, veggies, etc), it's a burger. If it's not ground up it's a sandwich
Exactly!
THIS! It's not a chicken burger if it's a piece of fried chicken. That's a sandwich.
what about an italian sandwich? salami and pepperoni are meats that have been ground up
@@KhanjoOfEthiopia cold cuts and meat patties are different things.
@@Vader_PB_1986 *sigh*... No, it's a burger
Hey Andy I'm a student in chef school and I have a little request could you make Swedish Sill. And ylthanks for all the kitchen tips you saved my ass more than once in school 😅
Looks like we’ve been committing sandwich fraud every time we ordered a chicken “burger.” This is worse than tax evasion.
And the look you’d get from across the counter if you ask for a sandwich… “we don’t have any normal bread mate, just buns” haha
Agree
The "Maggi" you use is a Switzerland brand, and also common in Germany, especially for soups.
While no one will ever approve here, but it is somewhat like a soy sauce, with lots of msg.
• Hamburgers invented in 1885.
• Hamburger buns invented in 1916.
They were still hamburgers when they were simply sold on a plate without bread.
It’s why we refer to ground meat patties as burgers. Not anything served inside a round bun.
Hamburger and burger aren't the same term though, and burger is an evolution of the term that doesn't just refer to the original hamburgers.
The original "hamburger" you are referring to is a hamburg steak, not a hamburger. They truly became hamburgers with the addition of the bun. If you went to a restaurant and were served a hamburger without a bun you would feel ripped off, because the term hamburger has evolved to require the bun. Burgers are a further evolution of the term and doesn't require beef or ground meat. Terms evolve and change with time.
According to Oxford Languages, a burger is:
"a dish consisting of a round patty of ground beef, or sometimes another savory ingredient, that is fried or grilled and typically served in a split bun or roll with various condiments and toppings."
A burger is an abbreviation of hamburger.
Wiki has a pretty good discussion including a few theories on the history of the hamburger. Ditto "sandwich".
So they agree ‘or sometimes another savory ingredient’ eg, fish, chicken etc. A hamburger is a Hamburg steak in a burger bun. Thus hamburger.
As an American, I have been eating cheeseburgers for most of my 7 decades of being alive. I've only started eating chicken sandwiches in the last 30 years. For me, if it's made with hamburger, aka minced beef, it's a burger. If it's made with chicken or fish, or something else it's a sandwich.
So what your saying is even if you just swap the beef for chicken it’s a sandwich
If you gonna call it a ham burger you should have ham in it 😋
@@rose-rose13 I’m sure people from Hamburg would disagree
@@Jordan-m3c yes they would
To me it’s only a burger if it has ground meat,we say lamb burger,and you can say pork burger,but a piece of meat whether sliced,or solid on any sort of bread with a top is a sandwich.In the UK,it only seems that a chicken breast is also called a burger,though some say if it’s on a bun it’s a burger,but that doesn’t hold up as they eat other things on a bun,like bacon,or sausages,and don’t call it a burger.😊
Where I grew up (west coast of Canada), you'll find halibut burgers on lots of menus, it's pretty standard, although it would be a fried piece of fish (sometimes with cheese, like a filet-o-fish, though I prefer mine without). You'd also definitely find chicken burgers too... typically grilled chicken breast with all the fixins. Funnily enough, I consider the halibut burger a burger and the chicken burger a sandwich, and I would order the former but probably not the latter. I'd prefer a chicken club (do you have club sandwiches in Australia?) if I'm going to have a chicken sando.
I've never thought of a burger, as not being a sandwich is just a different type of sandwich 😅
Great video as always mate! I also really like a Muenster cheese on a burger!
As a Texan, if the meat in a patty made from a ground meat (or meat substitute), then it's a burger. If the meat is a whole piece or slices of something (Chicken, Brisket, etc) It's a sandwich.
what if it's spam?😂
@@antoinesimeon728 Depends, are you slicing the spam? Sandwich. Re-grinding it and then making patties? Burger.
@@theshig9618 even if slicing, spam is made from ground meat, hence determining the name based of the meat type is going to be boggling at least to me
Gern geschehen! - Greetings from Germany
I can see the reasoning behind George's argument, but it doesn't make usage outside the US any more wrong. A sandwich is defined by the thinner sliced bread, a burger is defined by the buns. In turn a sandwich is usually a snack, and a burger is part of a meal. It's a lot simpler and means that you're not calling a PB&J, and a chicken 'sandwich', the same thing when they are almost completely different things.
The bread is irrelevant. A ground beef patty on sliced sourdough is a hamburger. Slices of steak on a bun is a sandwhich. It's the meat, not the bun.
@@brettanomyces7077American English isn’t the English spoken in other English speaking countries. You would never call anything a sandwich elsewhere unless it was on sandwich bread. If you put a hamburger on sandwich bread here it would be a rissole sandwich. If you put it on sourdough you’d lose your citizenship.
@@peter65zzfdfh The US CREATED what you call a "burger". There's no such thing as "sandwich bread" a sandwich can be on sliced bread, it can be on a long roll, it can be on a round roll, it can be on a baguette, etc. A burger IS a type of sandwich. Sorry, y'all got it wrong. It's called a sandwich because it's filling sandwiched between two pieces of bread. That includes a bun.
@@peter65zzfdfh What is "sandwich bread" ????
@@brettanomyces7077 "The US created what you call a burger" uh... noone can agree who invented the Hamburger mate, but if you look up a Rundstück warm it's probably around Hamburg... y'know, the place in Germany.
PS Sandwich bread - sliced thin for sandwiches, toast bread = sliced thick, for toasting. Is that not a thing in the USA?
Not sure if you have ever had a chili cheese burger but they re S tier if you dont know. Los Angeles is famous for chili cheese burgers. I would love to see your take on it.( i put pickles, onion and mustard on mine, need that tang to offset the richness)
FINALLY! The definitive answer! A hamburger is a sandwich but not all sandwiches are hamburgers. The "burger" bun has nothing to do with it. Lots of American diners all across the country serve their hamburgers on any bread you want...my favorite is a cheeseburger on toasted rye bread with caraway seeds; lettuce, tomato, onions - raw or grilled. Pickles on the side. The burger buns became popular much later with all the fast food burger joints like McDonalds, White Castle, etc. When I was growing up in Queens NY in the '60s Jewish Rye bread was the most popular choice. Not that I'm too attached to that, yous guys can call anything yous want anything yous guys want ("Yous" = New York plural of "you". Often accompanied by "guys").
Maggi came from Switzerland. Created by Julius Maggi. We use that stuff here in The Netherlands a lot!
We call those buns "burger buns". So anything that's in between them are burgers.
Yeah. It’s fine to call it a chicken burger
Correct!
what if there's only ham and salad between them?
I think it needs to contain a hot slab of meat to be a burger. Traditionally it would be a patty of minced beef/lamb/pork/chicken, but chicken schnitzel burgers are very popular and they have a flattened solid chicken breast...
@crazyg74 Yep. Sometimes it's a roll 😉
Cold cuts/deli meat and or just salad becomes a roll
I always thought Maggi came from The Netherlands, which w/could explain the prevalence of usage in Indonesia, that being a former colony.
However, it was 'invented' in Switserland! Production started in 1872 and in 1908 stock cubes were created. Production only started in NL around 1915. Its still very popular here and I assume it was brought over by people to bring 'a taste of home'.
I've always thought of a ground meat patty being a necessary component of a burger. That is, I wouldn't take umbrage if I heard a sandwich featuring a patty made of ground chicken being called a "chicken burger". I'm not such a purist that I would require the meat to be beef, though.
A tip with melting the cheese on the beef is to use a doomed lid/bowl over the top of the meat after you put the cheese on top
A burger doesn't have to be beef...! It has to be a patty of some sort: beef, bison, chicken, turkey, salmon... But all in patty form
george motz is a treasure, great video 🙏✨
A chicken burger refers to the burger bun, it is not short for hamburger, although Berger can also be shorthand for hamburger.
A chicken sandwich refers to the use of sandwich bread.
You mean the hamBURGER bun? Love the logic. Top tier lmao
So by that math and logic, when you put a real burger in a "burger".. you're eating a burger burger. Do you go to the restaurant and ask for a burger burger? lol
the problem with this is there is no such thing as a "Burger Bun", there are buns you will put a burger on, but it could literally be any type of bun, there are many, but "burger" is not a type of bun.
@@jmangan17 there is actually such a thing as a burger bun. It’s a type of bun specifically made for hamburgers, but then expanded for use of any type of sandwich because nobody can stop a hungry man. If you look up burger bun you’ll find tons of them, and there is a specific bread recipe difference between burger buns and other types of buns although at this point nobody cares.
Originally it was some a homemade yeast bun.
@@justvibingtomusic if you’re gonna be an ass hole you should at least be smart about it, but I’ll spell it out for you so you don’t have to re-read my original comment
Burger bun: Berger was originally shorthand for hamburger, and then around 1900 the use of a bun instead of sandwich bread was popularized, and then it became a product. The name of the product varies but both Berger bun and hamburger buns exist. The confusion comes from marketing using the shorthand for burger and the full hamburger bun as the same product.
Generally if it’s specifically a hamburger bun it’ll have sesame seeds these days, but you can still get hamburger buns without that and in various different types of bread with both marketing terms. At this point from a marketing perspective there is no clear line between them.
Over time the use of the short hand burger began to refer more to the bread with the expectation that any hamburger would use a bun, where as a sandwich could be anything.
You wouldn’t go into a restaurant and order a burger and have it come on sandwich bread.
The point being that the term hamburger is in reference to the meat, while the term Berger is in reference to the bun.
You wouldn’t call the bun itself a hamburger, so the bun itself is known as a burger bun.
If you order a chicken sandwich and it comes on a bun, you can say chicken burger because that is a hamburger bun without a hamburger in it. You could say a chicken sandwich on a hamburger bun or just bun, but thats way too long to say and there’s no reason to say it when the shorthand burger already applies to the bun.
In Canada, it is the reference to the bun or bread as to what it is called. In a bun, it is a burger, on bread, a sandwich.
Uncle Andy, it's pronounced wash your sister sauce 😂
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good one!
@@luisaraujo4708 always just Worcester sauce in UK
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all good looking forward to receiving the cook book
I love George Motz, but if it's on a bun it's a burger here in OZ, call it a sandwich all you like in yankyland, but the second I hear someone call it a chicken sandwich in Australia is the moment I slap that chicken burger out of their hands
Chicken Burger is a ground chicken patty, not a piece of chicken in sandwhich form. Bread is irrelevant. Go ahead and slap the sando and get ready for a roundhouse.
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I can't believe i wasn't subscribed yet; been watching your vids for so long
100% if it's on a "burger bun" it's a burger. If it's on 2 slices of bread it's a sandwich. Simple and correct.
Yep. In bread slices its a sanga. On a bun its a burger😅 Melbourne Australia ❤
If it's on a bun, it's a burger, on bread it's a sandwich. Don't care what Americans think. The language is used here in OZ
I'm somewhere between George and Aussies. For me, it's the form factor of the protein inside the bun, it should be a disc shaped patty of ground meat, either pre-formed or made by smashing on a hot pan/griddle, that is held together without needing any additional binders or fillers like egg or breadcrumb and seasoned on the outside. So a sandwich made with a patty of beef, or chicken, or even fish/crab would count as a burger for me. But if you use breadcrumbs, and/or egg to hold it together, you're making a meatball/meatloaf or a crab or fish cake instead of a burger.
Def a fish sandwich, when you say you're making a fish or chicken burger, id assume that you're using ground meat to form a patty. but im from the states
To me, as a kiwi, a sandwich is made with sliced bread, and a burger is made with a bun. If the bun has cold sliced deli style meat (ham, pastrami etc, or even sliced, cold roast meat), then I'd call that a roll (although that may just be something unique to my household).
@@heath780391 in that case, im curious how you would categorize a "patty melt". Beef burger patty with caramelized onion and melted cheese on toasted bread? Beef burger sandwich?
@@natematheny8710 I can't say I've ever come across that term, or the item itself (which is probably why I've not heard of it). From your description it sounds something of a hybrid, and my only two short circuiting brain cells would probably call that a toastie (if I'd not heard its preferred term). A toastie is short for Toasted Sandwich. What people in North America would call a grilled sandwich. We make our toasties a bit differently too, we (in general) use a sandwich press/panini maker.
Either way you look at it, a toastie is neither grilled, nor toasted.
Also when us Antipodeans hear grill, we don't think of putting something more a kin to broiling in an oven, close to the upper heating element.
For me, its the shape ,texture, and cooking method of the protein in the sandwich that determines its burger-ness.
For instance: even the most hardline "it's only a burger if it's beef" crowd would not call a round grilled patty made out of plant based ingredients on a bun with lettuce, tomato, and onions anything but a Veggie Burger.
Also, a round patty made out of any ground, formed, and grilled meat served on a bun is simply a [insert protein here] burger. Turkey burger, beef burger, pork burger, chicken burger, shrimp burger, crabcake burger, salmon burger, etc... for me it's the ground/minced protein that is made into a round puck and grilled or griddled.
What makes it a "sandwich" instead when it's served on a bun is the protein being whole, breaded and fried, etc... Specifically not preparing the protien like you would a beef burger makes it not a burger but a sandwich. Fried or grilled chicken thighs? Sandwich. Whole fish fillet? Sandwich. Slices of steak? Sandwich. Loose meat like a Sloppy Joe? Sandwich.
Is a bunch of sliced cold cuts on a bun a burger? Absolutely not. It is a sandwich. The only one I'm iffy about is a fried chicken patty, but since it is not grilled or griddled, I'd have to put it with the sandwiches.
In a bun, than a burger. Full stop. Don't like-it? Don't eat-it! Good job Andy! Cheers!
agreed - life can be simple
Would love to come and see you in Aus, maybe if you do courses or some kind of training it’ll be a dream to learn from you.
As for me i’d call it fish in buns 😅
Not an opinion. George is correct objectively.
Languages are fluid, meanings, and usages of words change over time. Like when someone says to "google" something. The search engine has become so popular that its name has become a verb, its meaning has changed.
@@heath780391 yeah, bit that's hardly an answer to what the other guy said. At all.
It's not an answer, it's a counter statement. Here in the antipodes, we call anything made with a bun, a burger, and sliced bread, a sandwich. My point being that it's a difference in the use of language.
Great video Andy as always. America can do there thing, but in Australia it will always be a burger if it’s between a bun and a sandwich if it’s between bread doesn’t matter what’s inside it.
Protein must be ground to be a burger.
In the US. Outside, not at all. E.g., Chicken or fish burgers
Tartar or tartare refers to the same thing in both tartar sauce or steak tartare. It's named for a kind of soldier on horseback from areas between Turkey and the Ural mountains who supposedly tenderised meat by putting it under their saddles while riding.
A burger contains a patty of ground meat or seafood or vegetables. The type of bread used is irrelevant. The name burger comes from the patty of meat not the bun. A hamburger plate has no bread at all.
For my way of thinking here in the US, if you grind your meat, be it beef, chicken, turkey etc., it can be made into a burger patty and thus you have a burger regardless of the type of bread or bun that you may use.
If you cook your meat, of any type, on the grill, flattop, pan etc., without grinding it up, you have a sandwich, again, regardless of the type of bread that you use.
Burger=ground meat:beef, chicken, fish, etc. FN simple.
Wrong cutting board used chef Red is for meat's yellow board used for poultry eg chicken and so on thankyou chef your videos and tips are great.
Australian too, if it’s in a Burger Bun and structured similar to a burger, it’s a burger. Shame, I’m a big fan of George Motz.
Mandolin usage: reminded myself to get food grade cut gloves, as I misjudged a potato slice and got bit. Healed fine, but fingernail is a bit wonky, and will be until it grows out. Have a guide for it, though usage is awkward until its tines get a good bite.
Maggi is very popular in the Netherlands, and was likely introduced in Indonesia before WW2 when they were still a Dutch colony.
As a Midwestern American my rule has been if its not beef its ground. If its not beef and not ground its a sandwich.
If I recall correctly, the hamburger descends from sandwiches of fish in a bread roll served in Hamburg in the 19th century, which German immigrants to America changed to beef owing to their settling mostly in inland areas. I don't know how true that is.
So, if it’s specifically a ground meat patty in a bun, it’s likely a hamburger. If it’s anything between slices of bread (or sometimes wraps or rolls), it’s a sandwich thats what I think. Love your video as always Andy!