I have that exhaust on a stock MB200 engine. Mine went on with no problems, the pipe even rested against the rear longer shock body. I think that engine is what made your pipe fit so differently. I have the stage 1 with the .38 jet and mine still has that popping from the exhaust coming off of full throttle. Stage 1 totally woke the bike up though.
They're all the same engine dimensions. They are based off a clone engine. The exhaust port is in the same position. I pushed the engine as far left in frame as I could for pulley alignment because this engine has a shorter output shaft, but there isn't that much room to move it. It's just that the pipe is off a little but it still works so no big deal. I looked the other day and it is not touching the side cover plate.
Great video was looking for the short mini airfilter to use around town and trails and use the big filter for muddy trails and dusty rides thanks for the parts list
Best pipe out i need one really looks like a cool dual purpose bike or dirtbike with that pipe cant stand the pipes that go in every direction of the frame but then again most are only 39-49 bucks this pipe looks well worth it
It really is a nice piece they made. There is a potential design flaw though. The engine cradle is on rubber bushings for some reason which allows it to move around a little, but the pipe is hard mounted to the frame. Pipe transmits a lot of vibes to the frame (a LOT), and I think it’ll eventually stress crack and fail. I’m either going to somehow soft mount a pipe hanger or weld up the engine cradle or both.
Yeah they're nice! It's a bit of an unknown though, not sure how well they filter. Seem fine so far. I wish there was a pre-filter that fit. There probably is I just need to find it.
Swap those 2 long nuts that held your carb on for the nuts that hold your gas tank on. Just swap them so there are no spacing issues when using your air filter adaptor...
I put the Superpipe, the bigger jet, and an open element air filter (stage 1) on my MB200-2 while it was still in the crate...the pipe lined up perfectly with the mount on the frame with no rubbing on the cut out in the side plate..maybe yours was just tweaked a little in the bushings from riding it.. since I've already tweaked my air filter from just walking past the bike in the garage and banging into it with the grocery bags in my hands, I'm thinking of swapping it out to a lo profile, like you've done ...looks much cleaner with the smaller filter anyway and seems to run just fine does that low profile filter sit in close enough to the motor to give you access to the rear set of pegs?
Yup! Can get to pegs no problem, that's one of the reasons I wanted to try that filter. Yeah I forgot to mention in vid that I also pushed engine as far to the left as I could (just a couple mm) when hooking up Tillotson because it has a much shorter shaft than stock engine and every millimeter gave me a little more engagement with the driver pulley on shaft while still allowing me to line up TC belt. But there wasn't much wiggle room so I don't think it set the engine that far to the left that it would cause than much alignment issues. It's not bad though, a few washers and it was lined right up. I may clearance the side plate a little though. I couldn't really tell if it was touching, it might just be very close. I may try a different way of supporting pipe.
@@bwxmoto thanks for the info..ordered a new lo pro filter...growing up riding dirt bikes had me wanting to stand up more when riding the mini bike..access to the rear set of pegs will help a lot I'm in the process of building up a Tillotson 225..was going to put it on a MiniMoto 80/105, but maybe I'll swap engines, and put the 225 on the the MB200 instead, if it will gain me a little room for those rear pegs
@@jimcornish242 It's funny I thought I would use the rear pegs more but they're almost too far back accept for anything but steep hills. Yeah that 225 would be nice on the MB200-2!
@@bwxmoto just got one of the low profile filters installed...you're right, the rear pegs are a bit too far to the rear of the bike to be comfortable..that's a bummer at least with the low profile air filter I won't be as worried about knocking it off of the carb every time I ride through/past bushes
@@jimcornish242 Yeah those filters are pretty nice. The rear footpegs could be good on really steep hills where it seems you might flip over backwards or start to wheelie. At least you have an option with those rear pegs but the wheelbase is long enough where most of the time you don’t need to. On the Coleman the wheelbase makes it basically impossible to climb some hills that the MB200-2 could handle.
I swapped out the .037 jet from mine and put in a .038 jet but after riding with it for a few days i took out the sparkplug while i was changing out the stock springs for 18 lb valve springs and i noticed the tip of the sparkplug was completely black and whenever i let off the gas it was making a loud popping sound similar to a backfire but not as loud. The .038 jet just made it run too rich and i didn't really notice any difference in power so I'm just gonna put back the .037 jet. I also for the first time just swapped out the stock 50 tooth sprocket and put on a 44 tooth sprocket in hopes of getting a top speed of atleast 50mph. I'm just hoping it isn't ridiculously slow on the low end power cause i believe i have a 12 tooth sprocket up front as well. But i did change out the stock red spring on the torque converter to a yellow spring which should help somewhat i'd imagine with torque. Also have a mod 2 cam coming in the mail soon which i'm hoping will help with the overall power so we'll see what happens. When i first got the bike i had no plans on changing anything on it cause i didn't really know how and now i'm just addicted to it constantly trying to get more and more power and speed out of it like i can't control myself lol. With all the money we've blown on these mini bikes we could have just brought a real dirt bike or motorcycle by now lol. Like a Honda XR or Yamaha TTR or something like that. Oh well. ;)
You can still get a dirt bike though! Yeah I think my .038 jet might be a little rich especially since I’m at about 1000 ft above sea level. But this pipe and filter seem to flow a lot too. Might be lean at idle and rich mid range and lean on top too. Who knows. 😆
@@bwxmoto The Gray Goat at OMB Warehouse told me to get that 38 jet outta there and put back the 37. He said all it's doing ruining the sparkplug and fouling up the engine. Now today i was gonna take the bike out for a test run with the new sprocket on back but when i went to push the bike out of the barn after i rolled it about 5 feet all of a sudden the rear wheel locked up on me. The chain isn't rolling smoothly onto the new sprocket. It's like some teeth will take the chain okay but then other teeth hold parts of the chain above it and it makes the chain jam up. Not sure why it's doing that. It's a 420 chain and i'm pretty sure the sprocket is either a #40 0r #41 which is supposed to work with 420 chains from what I've read. I tried lubing up the chain and sprocket teeth and it helped a little bit but not enough to make it fully functional. Now I dunno what the heck to do about it. Yeah I can just put the stock 50 tooth sprocket back on but I really wanted to see how fast it would go with 44 teeth. When you changed read sprockets did you ever have this issue ? Have you ever tried a 40 or 41 sprocket with a 420 chain before ? When you go to move the bike and the sprocket starts turning before it even gets to 1 full turn it jams up. If I stand behind the bike and look at the sprocket from the rear it looks like the chain wants to go off the sprocket more and more as it turns.
When you installed the 38 jet with the super exhaust, did you need to adjust the carburetor at all or did you simply just drop the jet in & go? I’m going to be purchasing a Hurricane 200x here shortly & want to run the same exhaust & stage 1.
Really nice pipe. But I don't care for how it bolts on to the frame. Maybe pipe flex is ok? When I built my exhaust I used a brace from the head to the silencer. It doesn't look good at all but I wanted support for the bolt on silencer. The system flexes as one independent of the frame. My pipe is holding up well now since my son Tig welded it. My Mig weld was terrible..
Yeah the Superpipe is really nice. But I don't like how it attaches to a part of the frame that sends vibes into the frame and causes stress on the pipe. It actually changed the way the bike felt because it stiffened up the frame so much, I could feel that the frame was more ridged. I think I may try to get a silicone or hard rubber gasket instead of those washers or maybe cut off the mounting tab and not support the pipe or make a flexible hanger from the rear rack. Shouldn't bee too hard to do with a few pipe clamps. Other than that it's pretty cool!
I bet you if you would have put a base coat down on that on that side panel flat white or satin White and went back over with that darker blue yet or it was pretty close already but at the white base coat I think you would have nailed it
Yeah I was thinking about putting a darker or lighter basecoat or primer underneath a darker or lighter blue to match it up if it was too light or the other one was too dark. I think I might repaint the engine where it is blue and the side plates to match the blue fenders which are more like Yamaha blue.
I remember not long ago the big go kart and mini bike tubers were pushing using a pre cleaner and a sock on those after market air filters then using pre cleaner oil on em too it seems to me like that would diminish the effectiveness of the filter And change the air fuel mix Bwx you got any info on this
Yeah on one filter I had a while ago I put filter oil on it and it basically wrecked the filter, made it totally restrictive. Some of these aren't intended to have oil on them and some are. Problem is they never say either way. But if they aren't supposed to have oil and you oil them, they usually act like a stock filter or worse. I think these little ones aren't designed for oil because the filter material is pretty thick. Those K&N style filters designed for oil have paper thin filters. I wouldn't mind running a pre-filter on this one though, but I haven;t found a small enough one yet. Seems like if the pre-filter had enough flow it wouldn't hurt the air-fuel mixture.
@@bwxmoto I chose the 28 mm because everyone was out of the 24 mm..seems to work fine. 55mph With 60 tooth sprocket! I use it for trails & hills so top end is not my thing..acceleration is!!!
@@johnhock890 That's pretty quick for one of these! But yeah I'm all about torque for climbing. In this vid the gearing wasn't right. It's a bit faster now actually, at least up hills.
@@bwxmoto it has so much power it over runs the gearing! The 46 tooth Would be better on the street would Yield 60+ mph no problem! Keeping 60 tooth on it for the hills & trails!
@@johnhock890 Yup for sure. These are way more fun on trails and in the woods to me so I'd rather have the low down torque and sacrifice top en on the road.
The one thing I like about the ducar adjustable carb out the box I've got no time on my bike with it other then a rip down the road and back waiting on some more parts aka front suspension upgrade
I noticed this carb doesn’t have idle mixture screw like my $7 ebay carbs. Probably just because the Tilly is EPA compliant. It does run pretty good but idle is kind of all over the place. Sometimes it settles to a higher idle for some reason. Not sure if that’s because of not having an idle mixture screw to adjust or what.
@@bwxmoto I'm sure it does the ducar I did not have mess with jet with stage 1 kit and saved me a few bucks not having to buy a mikuni I may upgrade but for what little I've got to ride the bike the 5300 rpm governor makes it pretty wild for the mm 80 I'm going to go with tav2 next and front suspension
@@heathenprojects2639 I thought you still needed to change the main jets on those carbs since it is just an idle circuit air mixture screw. But maybe they have more adjustment than I thought.
If I do a brake bleeding vid it would be on my TW200 because that bikes is the one that needs new fluid. But it's the same procedure. There's a really good vid on Revzilla about it.
Woe! Yeah these bikes start to show their weaknesses when pushed, that's for sure. Did it break the welds and then twist the metal? That's kinda crazy.
@@bwxmoto no welds are great it actually just past the bolt peeled it I've got some angle iron I'm going to put in and weld also going to put a thicker plate and some rubber bushings to help with vibration the Tilly 228 has 15 more horses then the stock 7.5 it came with I looked at the plate and thought that's pretty thick but guess I was wrong 😂
@@davidpayne4084 😆 Makes you appreciate bikes that come from factory with 120 hp, or 170 hp, or more and are still pretty lightweight. The engineering that goes into them is pretty wild!
I'm not sure I explained it very well in the video but the cradle the engine it mounted to is a separate piece that is mounted with rubber bushings so when I torque the pipe it is flexing those bushings I think. That's why this bike is so smooth and has little vibes stock. Those bushings absorb a lot of engine vibration, but also introduce some flex in the frame. I don't think the metal part of the frame is flexing that much. But who knows! LOL That's just my theory.
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah but it might be a little of both. I can't really tell. I do like the way the Coleman frames have two down tubes and are more boxed in than the Trailmaster.
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah I’ve seen quite a few broken in pics but I always wonder if they were crashed or jumped or if someone 350 lbs was riding. I’ve had some pretty huge bumps on my bikes and I weigh north of 200 lbs with gear and no frame cracks on 5 mini bikes but could be just luck. But I try not to jump them much and slow down over really rough ground most of the time. But I won’t be surprised if one day I see a crack on a frame!
👍 Oh yeah first mic was just one attached to shirt for working in garage, I had no helmet on the first ride in this vid.. It was a new helmet mic I was testing, the one I had in last riding vid was failing bad, like it had a wire disconnected at times inside the cord or something. th-cam.com/video/xZ0bnJscPFg/w-d-xo.html
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Man! That's a fancy mini bike.
Haha yeah you’re not wrong! Still have a few things left to do though.
I have that exhaust on a stock MB200 engine. Mine went on with no problems, the pipe even rested against the rear longer shock body. I think that engine is what made your pipe fit so differently. I have the stage 1 with the .38 jet and mine still has that popping from the exhaust coming off of full throttle. Stage 1 totally woke the bike up though.
They're all the same engine dimensions. They are based off a clone engine. The exhaust port is in the same position. I pushed the engine as far left in frame as I could for pulley alignment because this engine has a shorter output shaft, but there isn't that much room to move it.
It's just that the pipe is off a little but it still works so no big deal. I looked the other day and it is not touching the side cover plate.
I got mirrors on min also. I finally finished the Coleman CT200u-ex swing arm and tested it with a 60 tooth. Works great.
I had trouble with mine too... same issue.. spacer did the trick. I like the exhaust.
Great video was looking for the short mini airfilter to use around town and trails and use the big filter for muddy trails and dusty rides thanks for the parts list
Good idea! 👍✌️🙏
Best pipe out i need one really looks like a cool dual purpose bike or dirtbike with that pipe cant stand the pipes that go in every direction of the frame but then again most are only 39-49 bucks this pipe looks well worth it
It really is a nice piece they made. There is a potential design flaw though. The engine cradle is on rubber bushings for some reason which allows it to move around a little, but the pipe is hard mounted to the frame. Pipe transmits a lot of vibes to the frame (a LOT), and I think it’ll eventually stress crack and fail. I’m either going to somehow soft mount a pipe hanger or weld up the engine cradle or both.
I like that low profile filter, the regular one gets beat up
Yeah they're nice! It's a bit of an unknown though, not sure how well they filter. Seem fine so far. I wish there was a pre-filter that fit. There probably is I just need to find it.
New mic is MUCH better!
Swap those 2 long nuts that held your carb on for the nuts that hold your gas tank on. Just swap them so there are no spacing issues when using your air filter adaptor...
Good idea! I kind of liked the "aerodynamic nuts" though 😆
@@bwxmoto yeah mee too!
I put the Superpipe, the bigger jet, and an open element air filter (stage 1) on my MB200-2 while it was still in the crate...the pipe lined up perfectly with the mount on the frame with no rubbing on the cut out in the side plate..maybe yours was just tweaked a little in the bushings from riding it..
since I've already tweaked my air filter from just walking past the bike in the garage and banging into it with the grocery bags in my hands, I'm thinking of swapping it out to a lo profile, like you've done ...looks much cleaner with the smaller filter anyway and seems to run just fine
does that low profile filter sit in close enough to the motor to give you access to the rear set of pegs?
Yup! Can get to pegs no problem, that's one of the reasons I wanted to try that filter.
Yeah I forgot to mention in vid that I also pushed engine as far to the left as I could (just a couple mm) when hooking up Tillotson because it has a much shorter shaft than stock engine and every millimeter gave me a little more engagement with the driver pulley on shaft while still allowing me to line up TC belt. But there wasn't much wiggle room so I don't think it set the engine that far to the left that it would cause than much alignment issues.
It's not bad though, a few washers and it was lined right up. I may clearance the side plate a little though. I couldn't really tell if it was touching, it might just be very close. I may try a different way of supporting pipe.
@@bwxmoto thanks for the info..ordered a new lo pro filter...growing up riding dirt bikes had me wanting to stand up more when riding the mini bike..access to the rear set of pegs will help a lot
I'm in the process of building up a Tillotson 225..was going to put it on a MiniMoto 80/105, but maybe I'll swap engines, and put the 225 on the the MB200 instead, if it will gain me a little room for those rear pegs
@@jimcornish242 It's funny I thought I would use the rear pegs more but they're almost too far back accept for anything but steep hills. Yeah that 225 would be nice on the MB200-2!
@@bwxmoto just got one of the low profile filters installed...you're right, the rear pegs are a bit too far to the rear of the bike to be comfortable..that's a bummer
at least with the low profile air filter I won't be as worried about knocking it off of the carb every time I ride through/past bushes
@@jimcornish242 Yeah those filters are pretty nice. The rear footpegs could be good on really steep hills where it seems you might flip over backwards or start to wheelie. At least you have an option with those rear pegs but the wheelbase is long enough where most of the time you don’t need to. On the Coleman the wheelbase makes it basically impossible to climb some hills that the MB200-2 could handle.
I swapped out the .037 jet from mine and put in a .038 jet but after riding with it for a few days i took out the sparkplug while i was changing out the stock springs for 18 lb valve springs and i noticed the tip of the sparkplug was completely black and whenever i let off the gas it was making a loud popping sound similar to a backfire but not as loud. The .038 jet just made it run too rich and i didn't really notice any difference in power so I'm just gonna put back the .037 jet. I also for the first time just swapped out the stock 50 tooth sprocket and put on a 44 tooth sprocket in hopes of getting a top speed of atleast 50mph. I'm just hoping it isn't ridiculously slow on the low end power cause i believe i have a 12 tooth sprocket up front as well. But i did change out the stock red spring on the torque converter to a yellow spring which should help somewhat i'd imagine with torque. Also have a mod 2 cam coming in the mail soon which i'm hoping will help with the overall power so we'll see what happens. When i first got the bike i had no plans on changing anything on it cause i didn't really know how and now i'm just addicted to it constantly trying to get more and more power and speed out of it like i can't control myself lol. With all the money we've blown on these mini bikes we could have just brought a real dirt bike or motorcycle by now lol. Like a Honda XR or Yamaha TTR or something like that. Oh well. ;)
You can still get a dirt bike though! Yeah I think my .038 jet might be a little rich especially since I’m at about 1000 ft above sea level. But this pipe and filter seem to flow a lot too. Might be lean at idle and rich mid range and lean on top too. Who knows. 😆
@@bwxmoto The Gray Goat at OMB Warehouse told me to get that 38 jet outta there and put back the 37. He said all it's doing ruining the sparkplug and fouling up the engine. Now today i was gonna take the bike out for a test run with the new sprocket on back but when i went to push the bike out of the barn after i rolled it about 5 feet all of a sudden the rear wheel locked up on me. The chain isn't rolling smoothly onto the new sprocket. It's like some teeth will take the chain okay but then other teeth hold parts of the chain above it and it makes the chain jam up. Not sure why it's doing that. It's a 420 chain and i'm pretty sure the sprocket is either a #40 0r #41 which is supposed to work with 420 chains from what I've read. I tried lubing up the chain and sprocket teeth and it helped a little bit but not enough to make it fully functional. Now I dunno what the heck to do about it. Yeah I can just put the stock 50 tooth sprocket back on but I really wanted to see how fast it would go with 44 teeth. When you changed read sprockets did you ever have this issue ? Have you ever tried a 40 or 41 sprocket with a 420 chain before ? When you go to move the bike and the sprocket starts turning before it even gets to 1 full turn it jams up. If I stand behind the bike and look at the sprocket from the rear it looks like the chain wants to go off the sprocket more and more as it turns.
Nice I just put a tillison 212 on my ct200ex with a stage 1 kit and I’m about to put a tav2 30 series on it
That things gonna fly! CT200U-EX is a lighter weight bike. My predator 212 hauls ass in the EX.. I think it's still the fastest mini bike I have.
When you installed the 38 jet with the super exhaust, did you need to adjust the carburetor at all or did you simply just drop the jet in & go? I’m going to be purchasing a Hurricane 200x here shortly & want to run the same exhaust & stage 1.
I don’t think the carb is adjustable. I’d have to get an aftermarket carb for that. I think I used a 140 e-tube and 38 jet and that’s it.
Really nice pipe. But I don't care for how it bolts on to the frame. Maybe pipe flex is ok?
When I built my exhaust I used a brace from the head to the silencer. It doesn't look good at all but I wanted support for the bolt on silencer. The system flexes as one independent of the frame.
My pipe is holding up well now since my son Tig welded it. My Mig weld was terrible..
Yeah the Superpipe is really nice. But I don't like how it attaches to a part of the frame that sends vibes into the frame and causes stress on the pipe. It actually changed the way the bike felt because it stiffened up the frame so much, I could feel that the frame was more ridged. I think I may try to get a silicone or hard rubber gasket instead of those washers or maybe cut off the mounting tab and not support the pipe or make a flexible hanger from the rear rack. Shouldn't bee too hard to do with a few pipe clamps. Other than that it's pretty cool!
I bet you if you would have put a base coat down on that on that side panel flat white or satin White and went back over with that darker blue yet or it was pretty close already but at the white base coat I think you would have nailed it
Yeah I was thinking about putting a darker or lighter basecoat or primer underneath a darker or lighter blue to match it up if it was too light or the other one was too dark. I think I might repaint the engine where it is blue and the side plates to match the blue fenders which are more like Yamaha blue.
I remember not long ago the big go kart and mini bike tubers were pushing using a pre cleaner and a sock on those after market air filters then using pre cleaner oil on em too it seems to me like that would diminish the effectiveness of the filter
And change the air fuel mix
Bwx you got any info on this
Yeah on one filter I had a while ago I put filter oil on it and it basically wrecked the filter, made it totally restrictive. Some of these aren't intended to have oil on them and some are. Problem is they never say either way. But if they aren't supposed to have oil and you oil them, they usually act like a stock filter or worse. I think these little ones aren't designed for oil because the filter material is pretty thick. Those K&N style filters designed for oil have paper thin filters. I wouldn't mind running a pre-filter on this one though, but I haven;t found a small enough one yet. Seems like if the pre-filter had enough flow it wouldn't hurt the air-fuel mixture.
236cc tillotson, 28 mm Mikuni
And a juggernaut , real gas tank!
Superpipe.....it flies!!
I bet! I might have to try a Mikuni one of these days.
@@bwxmoto I chose the 28 mm because everyone was out of the 24 mm..seems to work fine. 55mph
With 60 tooth sprocket! I use it for trails & hills so top end is not my thing..acceleration is!!!
@@johnhock890 That's pretty quick for one of these! But yeah I'm all about torque for climbing. In this vid the gearing wasn't right. It's a bit faster now actually, at least up hills.
@@bwxmoto it has so much power it over runs the gearing! The 46 tooth
Would be better on the street would
Yield 60+ mph no problem! Keeping 60 tooth on it for the hills & trails!
@@johnhock890 Yup for sure. These are way more fun on trails and in the woods to me so I'd rather have the low down torque and sacrifice top en on the road.
The one thing I like about the ducar adjustable carb out the box I've got no time on my bike with it other then a rip down the road and back waiting on some more parts aka front suspension upgrade
I noticed this carb doesn’t have idle mixture screw like my $7 ebay carbs. Probably just because the Tilly is EPA compliant. It does run pretty good but idle is kind of all over the place. Sometimes it settles to a higher idle for some reason. Not sure if that’s because of not having an idle mixture screw to adjust or what.
@@bwxmoto I'm sure it does the ducar I did not have mess with jet with stage 1 kit and saved me a few bucks not having to buy a mikuni I may upgrade but for what little I've got to ride the bike the 5300 rpm governor makes it pretty wild for the mm 80 I'm going to go with tav2 next and front suspension
@@bwxmoto also are you running the 212r or hemi
@@heathenprojects2639 This is the 212E Hemi. If the R was in stock anywhere at the time I would have bought that though.
@@heathenprojects2639 I thought you still needed to change the main jets on those carbs since it is just an idle circuit air mixture screw. But maybe they have more adjustment than I thought.
Can you do a video on how to bleed the brakes on the MB 200-2
If I do a brake bleeding vid it would be on my TW200 because that bikes is the one that needs new fluid. But it's the same procedure. There's a really good vid on Revzilla about it.
Check this out th-cam.com/video/fUWO0SQX6-U/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MotorcyclistMagazine
If a single looks to be 6mm bolt is flexing the engine plate. Imagine what's going on while you're riding!
Exactly.
I put my 228 stroker on my mm212 pro after 2 weeks it opened the motor plate like a can opener I'm back to the drawling board again
Woe! Yeah these bikes start to show their weaknesses when pushed, that's for sure. Did it break the welds and then twist the metal? That's kinda crazy.
@@bwxmoto no welds are great it actually just past the bolt peeled it I've got some angle iron I'm going to put in and weld also going to put a thicker plate and some rubber bushings to help with vibration the Tilly 228 has 15 more horses then the stock 7.5 it came with I looked at the plate and thought that's pretty thick but guess I was wrong 😂
@@davidpayne4084 😆 Makes you appreciate bikes that come from factory with 120 hp, or 170 hp, or more and are still pretty lightweight. The engineering that goes into them is pretty wild!
Wow that exhaust pipe flexed the frame damn that metal must be really weak
I'm not sure I explained it very well in the video but the cradle the engine it mounted to is a separate piece that is mounted with rubber bushings so when I torque the pipe it is flexing those bushings I think. That's why this bike is so smooth and has little vibes stock. Those bushings absorb a lot of engine vibration, but also introduce some flex in the frame. I don't think the metal part of the frame is flexing that much. But who knows! LOL That's just my theory.
@@bwxmoto oh ok i see i heard you say simething about rubber bushings but i didnt quite putit all together
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah but it might be a little of both. I can't really tell. I do like the way the Coleman frames have two down tubes and are more boxed in than the Trailmaster.
@@bwxmoto i saw in another video though that the coleman down tubes have tendency to break but
The person said that they only break if you jump them
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah I’ve seen quite a few broken in pics but I always wonder if they were crashed or jumped or if someone 350 lbs was riding. I’ve had some pretty huge bumps on my bikes and I weigh north of 200 lbs with gear and no frame cracks on 5 mini bikes but could be just luck. But I try not to jump them much and slow down over really rough ground most of the time. But I won’t be surprised if one day I see a crack on a frame!
The heat shields sold for this do not fit the Massimo 196cc (also referred to as MB200)...
Yeah.. nope it doesn't. Crazy how they name different bikes the same thing but that's a different bike.
@@bwxmoto "The Massimo and Trailmaster and MB200 are all the same exact thing" yea, they're not lol.
Can you buy the mb200 with the stage 1 kit installed?
Not new but it's easy to install. I bet you could find one on FB marketplace that has a stage one kit installed though. I see them all the time.
Is it possible to put a makuni carburetor on it ?
Yup. But you really need to disable the governor to do that properly.
What ab the tires
I got some. Meaty... very meaty.
Augh, snougalugeh
LOL What?
Shim it with washers
Second mike way better.
👍 Oh yeah first mic was just one attached to shirt for working in garage, I had no helmet on the first ride in this vid.. It was a new helmet mic I was testing, the one I had in last riding vid was failing bad, like it had a wire disconnected at times inside the cord or something. th-cam.com/video/xZ0bnJscPFg/w-d-xo.html