@@ldn876 again, loser mentality. Unless you're rich, which I doubt many TH-cam commenters are, you've got a foot on your neck and you're asking for 'more please'. Pathetic really
You shouldn't go to uni for the experience. You should be there for the piece of paper you get at the end of it, albeit the mostly useless piece of paper
To be honest as a last year student in engineering I rather have full online class actually as going to school takes too much time I manage to learn programming and digital arts for 3d and other stuff without going to college University isn't like the movies as fun as it seems man
Just remember that there are so many staff who do care about their students, the reason they’re there is their students, and that they too are trying to hold out and push back against the marketisation of your education
£165 a week for accommodation??? WTF that's outrageous. Good for the students raising a rent strike. It's disgusting that the universities have to have their arms twisted to do this - shame on them
Trisha Hopkins £165 is fairly standard. At my uni it ranges from £125 to £200 a week - in London is more likely £150-300+! Completely unjustifiable but private housing is just as bad so little choice.
I'm currently in my 3rd final year at Uni of Leeds and managed to arrange a room for myself in Uni accommodation back in January 2020. I'm from an EU country and haven't been in the UK since the end of March 2020 when the pandemic started, yet I was refused to cancel my contract for the room and was forced into paying the full rent, depsite me not setting foot in the UK for almost a year. The explanation was that 'The University has taken all precautions to make accommodation halls as safe as possible'.The only way I could cancel my contract is by dropping out of uni, failing a year, being denied access to the UK or probably just dying lol, judging by the general Terms&Conditions. The way they've designed these Terms&Conditions shows a fundamental lack of consideration for the students' personal circumstances (especially financial) even before Covid-19 and allow exceptions only in very severe forcemajor situations (with for whatever reason Covid not being one of them). I think Uni's should appreciate more the fact that most students rely on their parents(or somebody else) for paying rent and they should provide more flexibility in managing the contracts, both now and in the post-Covid future times :)
Sorry to hear that, really unfair can you sue to the court, education should educate people better not abusing the power and do injustice definitely its a business
Why did you choose England as a study destination after they voted to stop free movement of Europeans?! There are plenty of great cities in Europe to study or go to Ireland, a friendly and fun country. There is no point to pay for student visas to study in the UK as European, better go to Canada or Australia, you'll end up paying the same or even less.
@@stevenmcguinness I could read it perfectly, another English comment with total arrogance. Learn to speak and write a second language and then you can play smart with us Europeans!
Everyone should go on strike with rents to stop these stupid and insane measures. People have lost businesses, houses, family. How are people suppose to make money with everything closed and governments killing businesses off. How are people suppose to Support their children. People will win if we all stick together and do this strike over the whole country. You will soon see everything change.
I feel for these students getting ripped off with a online course that insane and then paying for a room they are stuck in 24/7 for a degree that puts them in debt for jobs that don't exist and some of the people from other countries are in contacts with these uni's still paying for rooms and courses struggling with bad WiFi access just insane
600£ a month for a prison cell. UK uni lodging is a rip off. In Fr, Se, Fi I paid max 400€ for a very big room in a shared house. UK students are getting fleeced and the government is letting this happen.
You can't expect students to rack up £40,000 worth of debt, after not getting accommodation they can use, and learning online. They could literally stay at home for 3 years and watch TH-cam videos, and likely learn the same thing.
I’m still paying rent but my University is saying they are looking to give some reduction in accommodation. But I shouldn’t be paying full price for something I’m not using
I know this just a small post but are there any more students here or people with similar opinions? I would like to have discussion to see what your positions is and if there is anything we can all do cumulatively
@@martinr17 pretty sure the contract was already breached when the uni said students weren't allowed to live in the accommodation they were paying for. Both sides must uphold the contract, if 1 side doesn't, for whatever reason, the so-called contract is null and void
Well done students good for you dont pay for what you can't have I support you 100% hopefully you will start a trend where everyone stands up against corruption and system madness
Much student accommodation has been paid for and built by multiple small investors all looking to capitalize on the guaranteed rent student market and this type of investor will skin you alive to get a return on their capital.
let them get skinned alive. they're mature adults that build little cupboard cells to make a profit, they ought to be literally skinned alive and burnt at the stake along with their cash +rolexes
*“We live in a world where our social system is old, our language is old, the way we acquire goods and services is outdated, our cities are detrimental to our health, chaotic and a tremendous waste of resource, and most of all our politics and values no longer serve us.”* - _Jacque Fresco_
And i’m paying £500 a month to live in a legit crackden, outside my block of flats there is crack pipes and everything scattered, and you can always smell weed, I don’t even have a garden i have a balcony with a cracked screen... smh
As a student who went to Nottingham Trent I am ashamed they would not give a comment on this matter to channel 4. University is a business money making scheme... Showing their true colours
I finished Uni in '99, no course fees and was given a small grant each year (enough to pay for my books). I hate that the younger generations are being used as cash cows; not only are they surfacing from Uni with large debt to start their lives, but insane house prices are all they've ever known. Jobs don't pay much more these days, then I was being paid 20 years ago, but the cost of most things is higher, and if you want your state pension, you'll be waiting until you're 68. Each generation should be helping the ones that follow, but I haven't seen that many changes for the better. Good luck with the protests, don't back down and don't accept compromise.
Why do you think these students have been told to go back to their accomodation? It's to line the pockets of the landlords, of course. You heard it in this piece, that student is paying £165 a week! Madness.
@@sarahbridges-q6x in order for landlords to turn a profit, rent needs to be a more than a landlord is paying for a mortgage. that is the same for every home that is being rented out. there are no cheap rentals. period.
@@deefjohnholler and most house sales in the uk are increasingly overseas buyers and consortium's buying them as "investments" and holding them hostage thereby inflating prices and making homes less affordable
When you make further education a commodity as has happened here in the UK standards drop, prices rise and down right rip offs proliferate. I feel really awful for these students. I was going to try to return to uni myself as a mature stufent in 2021 but I'm glad I didn't now. The UK post brexit is a country headed down the toilet.
they shouldn't pay rent when they can't stay there and paying full price for online courses is bullshit as well. I have been very lucky, my jobs hasn't been effected by covid but I fully sympathise with people who it has effected.
Well done students, if you are unable to live in the student accommodation you should not have to pay for it, seems little room for debate. It is standard practice when providing a service or goods, no service or no goods equals no payment, what part of that do Universities not understand.
im a first year at the uni of leeds and they way they have handled everything is disgusting. they've agreed to give us a refund for this lockdown (14th jan-19th feb), but they have ignored the previous november lockdown and the christmas period when we were also not allowed to return to halls. not to mention the fact that we have no access to any of the accomodation facilities such as study areas, bars, communal areas, gardens, music rooms etc that are included in the rent. and this isn't even taking into account the £9k that is being paid for what is essentially a sub-par open university course. we were encouraged to move into halls under the false promise of in-person learning, we only found out all learning would be over microsoft teams after the contracts had been signed. such a miserable experience.
Same at my uni! They purposefully didn't release timetables until after students moved into accomodation so students didn't stay at home after finding out their lectures are all online. We have a rebate but still doesn't cover Christmas either
I currently pay £139 a week for my private student accomodation (only 1st are allowed to live on campus) and even if i wanted to i cant terminate my contract. Luckily i was able to return to my flat at the start of january but i feel for all the students who have had to stay with family or friends, who cant return to their homes.
I'm afraid this is the end of education as we know it. Quite deliberate. I feel for those students, they will never have the same experience others had.
Agree . At least a 90% Discount for university owned properties at this time . But of course this will be recouped at a later date and I'm sure the students are aware of this .
They are fair enough to get rent off of their uni accommodation but second and third years like myself can't get out of our private accommodation fees. The government will need to do something for those students too
The council are still working pretty much at full capacity (if not more)- the housing department still has to deal with its tennants and homeless, the welfare department have never been so busy, the streets still need cleaning, the rubbish need collecting. What has changed in lockdown with regards to paying council tax?
This is a problem also of universities they know how much rent is being charged is above their student loans as someone in her 40s I went back to college in September and quickly left by end of October once I knew how much was being ripped off. You can now do most degrees online and cheaper that's all happened in a year the landscape of higher education has changed. I found cheaper course and all I need to do is demonstrate my work and creativity rather than get loans. Saas in Scotland give students a ridiculous amount of money for most people would be at home in the area of college and I bet they won't be revealing how many dropped out this year for sure colleges and universities are just big businesses now not like when I first went to college but I am not also saying that furthering yourself isn't a good thing, it is but shop around for your course. Overhaul of student loans is needed rather than get all this debt also job landscape after covid, most won't even get a job in their qualifications. It's saving the government though with unemployment figures for the next couple of years because imagine if students decided to go unemployed because no bar work no shop work oh wait that's happening already not to mention amount of young people joining OnlyFans websites or adultwork
@aena mustafaAnyone that studies in Scotland should apply to SAAS as they deal with student loans. All education is worth it! I don't see this continuing online as a permanent decision, I feel by 2022 it will be all good again. You shouldn't let this pandemic stop your dreams though because that's what keeps us going, right!
I was a final year student in the first lockdown and I wish we had been heard when we protested like this. Instead we were ignored. My university were great and waived rent for on-campus and university-owned accommodation - but my provider still harassed me into paying rent for an empty flat. If you all protest, please protest on our behalf too.
Just think if this happened to a person renting in London, to pay rent and be refused access - that is a civil case to the courts - well if you have the ££££$$$$ to afford court
One day people will realise the only power the owner class has over the working class is how much the working class bend the knee and follow their rules.
What's worse is uni tells us international students that we need to come back because classes won't be completely online, so we had to come back. Going through quarantine, leaving family and friends behind, paying an insane amount of tuition (22,900 for us)and rent, and yet to be told it will be fully online again.
Seems to be more graduates then jobs. In a way makes having the qualification pointless. People out there (pre-covid) with masters degrees and cannot find the work. I mean there is work, but they won't work at sainsbury after spending all that time and money getting that degree.
No one should have to pay for anything that they per force cannot use.....so well done so far guys and gals in getting the sensible outcomes of this peaceful protest .... if you don’t get a fair deal ...withhold future tuition fees and maybe consider studying in Northern Europe where the academic fees are a fraction of those in Uk ....and include accommodation ...simples👏👏👏👏🙏🎩🦄👍
I am a private renting student in a hmo. I have not being in my room since December since lockdown and I am comeback and all my lessons are now online no face-to-face
If I wasn't being charged rent yeah. My maintenance loan doesn't even cover my rent for this year let alone food, books or travel. So I'd still be better off with no maintenance loan but not being charged rent.
@@charlotteadams9720 yeah same, mine doesn’t cover my rent whatsoever- i’m on the minimum loan, my dad was unemployed for ages but got a job a couple months before i could apply for student finance, they think that your parents have more money than they do... and any money they had saved, they invested in stocks, which unexpectedly plummted with covid, its very hard, but I don’t want to apply for any more loans, and go deeper into debt...
Home was a condo on the fifteenth floor of a filing cabinet for widows and young professionals. The walls were solid concrete. A foot of concrete is important when your next-door neighbor lets their hearing aid go and have to watch game-shows at full volume. Or when a volcanic blast of debris that used to be your furniture and personal effects blows out of your floor-to-ceiling windows and sails flaming into the night. I suppose these things happen.
If any other type of business forced you to pay for a service you were no longer receiving there would be repercussions. Forced to pay £9250 a year for two consecutive years now for online education available for £4000 from the open university (who actually have years of online education experience) and to continue paying rent. The gov don't care about uni students because the overwhelming majority are having to use gov loans to attend. Uni's get their money, gov gets their money plus interest and students just have to bend over and take it.
The worst of universities is when the REQUIRE on campus housing to be able to go to such universities, they need to change those policies and allow people to use their own housing arrangements instead of universities controlling such things.
Last year 6 of us paid rent for a 6 bed house to a private landlord from March to June and it was entirely empty! No reductions as he said he legally didn’t have to... he then stole most of our deposits and even kicked off about us coming to collect the rest of our stuff in June as it was disrupting the work he was having done....
I should have taken a year out, but then i would have to wait another year and do it sll next year, postponing my ability to join the job market later ...
They should also reduce tuition fees. I was told that they’d work around covid to have some (fewer, but some) face to face teaching. Of course that was a lie
@Geoff Wilkins why blame the government? Other industries have given refunds where lockdowns caused disruption to the service provided- why not universities?
the university's should be ashamed of them a less than adequate online learning system that works for the benefits of no one and accommodation that you can't use and are being told no refunds. and the government accepts this as perfectly normal all student going to university are being scammed. 30% refunds on accommodations is a joke and when the are refusing to refund the hole time that student haven't been there and also haven't been able to use them you wouldn't pay rent on a flat if you couldn't live there . as long as the university is lining its pockets and taking advantage of the pandemic situation and rubbing it in there faces
you should pay for your own fees, unis jacked up the fees when boomers thought that any mickey mouse degree would be worth the debt and told their kids to go the taxpayer should not have to foot the bill for mickey mouse degrees. dont get me wrong the laws need to be changed for universities and predatory lending but it is not a good thing to have people who never went to uni or paid off their debts to be forced to pay everyone elses uni bill
@@sausagejockyGaming i hate these fake revolutionary unicunts who don't dare criticize the system that exploits them yet demands that system be empowered to steal from anyone who wasn't conned. Those Marxist idiots should be going after the Banks and Universities but instead its literally everyone else FFS they are perfect storm troopers for the establishment whilst believing they are the opposite
I rented with Fortis Student Living (now XeniaStudents) in the first lockdown, and was forced to pay for an empty flat. I’m afraid you’ll have a much harder fight on your hands with private housing, those landlords are the greediest of the lot.
Its part of the system on money creation that individuals create money through debt, thus for the government (tories) who still believes in an outdated form of monetary system, the students must incur debt for the system to function at their expense and not anyone else's. another point is that universities are a business, they pay millions on advertisements, invest in pointless research, and students are left with degrees that are worthless or are oversaturated with graduates that it's impossible to get a job even before COVID. Something really needs to be addressed.
Are UK students forced to take on campus accommodation? Because I’m an international student in Dublin and I live in off campus student accommodation so if I didn’t come back I would’ve just cancelled my booking.
Universities research all sorts of things with the exception of the rising costs of university and the declining returns on investing in getting an undergraduate degree! In the long run it will be to the detriment these institutions. Students may be better off spending 3 years doing online courses with the occasional 1-to-1 expert tutoring with 50% the budget, and they will likely be better qualified for your chosen career path. Of course, there are exceptions to this approach, for example medicine, dentistry, law etc.
That is what student unions are doing, lots have successfully gained rebates from their universities. The issue is the unis have limited funds, many are in unstable financial positions and need further support from the government to offer any more money back. My uni has granted us an 8 week rebate but if the uni has to stay closed for longer I'm not sure it can afford to not charge students rent
Yeah international students are totally fucked, most have returned to their home country and due to covid borders gave closed... lectures air online at times when they are asleep so they have to be pretty much nocturnal... they are paying around £20,000 usually... and are paying for accomodation they can’t legally access in another country.... they can’t legally access their own second home, it’s fucked up
@@BeardLAD Basically; I think that it is refreshing that students (who have not got access to the facilities they are paying for due to lockdown) are taking some form of civil disobedience action.
This should be reported by the BBC news, I wonder are they bidding it. It's a national news that the country and the public must know. Thank you very much Chanel 4 News, I appreciate.
Universities are just big business now. They don’t care about education. Also, a university isn’t a weekend camp with your mates. They need stop saying a University experience.
Not suggesting I think this should happen,but isnt the student loan to pay rent? so if no rent i think they'd have to return some loan. The government isnt going to help out properly I dont think.
If I didn't go back to campus, I wouldn't mind giving up my student loan if I didn't have to pay rent because my rent for this year is already more than my loan and that's not including travel, food, books or stationery. Not everyone is in that situation though it's a tricky one.
@@charlotteadams9720 I do sympathise, its very expensive going to university allready and the situation is not at all fair on any of you. I hope the government help, but i'm not very confident whatever they do will be enough.
Also can we talk about the privilege of being able to just go home and live with parents rent free? 😂 When I was at uni I had to drop out for a while due to ill health still had to find the money each month to pay my rent and bills cos it was that or sleep on the street.
I know of a handful of students who were planning to live at home during university, even without the pandemic. (Not a decision that I would necessarily advocate under normal circumstances). But right now it's a complete "get out of jail for free card". I should also clarify this isn't aimed at people stuck in horrible home lives because of the pandemic; but if you were planning on living at home whilst at uni (pandemic or no), it a) inherently implies that your home situation is at least, comfortable and b) gives you the security of your presumably stable family, then I can only say you really are in a position of exceptional privilege. Just don't let it go to your head.
Why young people get degrees is beyond me. I never went to uni and all sorted with my house paid off by 30. Unless you’re becoming a doctor or a specific field, you’re better off studying to be an accountant, or a trade, or some sort of engineering railway apprenticeship scheme. If you don’t know what you want to do, yet blindly paying thousands, then you deserve it through stupidity.
In regards to your first point, could it be a direct product of the education system? As it is designed to emulate the societal ladders that people naturally encounter in life. As a result, university is pitched to graduating students as the next rung of that ladder. Now, this isn't necessarily a system that I agree with or advocate for, I find it's inherently destructive (not just financially) for 18 year olds in particular who may not know exactly what they want to do for the rest of their lives (I can't really blame people for not knowing at that age). But I think your comment reflects more on you, and what you value the most in your professional life, ie money, material success (paying off a house at 30) ect, please feel free to correct me if I have misconstrued that. But fundamentally, people are different and value different goals in life; so material success might instead provide short term satisfaction for a person, but they might be stuck in a job that they absolutely hate but can't afford to leave, which in itself is a destructive cycle. Hence, why I personally advocate for young people to take a few years before university (between 3-5) to just work and get some understanding of what working life without a degree is like. And to also get an idea of what it's like to really start from the very bottom and see how far they can go. And to also use that time constructively to truly hone their interests and figure out what they want from life and what they want to do for the rest of their lives. Some will find that that sort of working life really suits them and they will pursue it and they'll see how high they can climb. Others won't and will get that stuck feeling and yearn for something more intellectually stimulating from their everyday job, hence why university suddenly becomes a more attractive proposition. It becomes a tool to further one's personal goals rather than exclusively a time to "find oneself" and potentially get stuck with a degree in a field that they ultimately may end up intensely disliking. Apologies for the essay, I just found myself really running with this thought.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos I agree with your first point, it is about what you prioritise and yes, I was money orientated.... not in the sense that I wanted a nice car or for status reasons. More for the security reasons of paying it off before I had children (or at least the majority of it) I believe I was very self aware at a young age and frugal.I understood that I didn’t know what I wanted to do and nothing is great when you have to do it 5 days a week etc. Eg, I love poker and playing guitar but I couldn’t be passionate about it 9-5 against my will... I believe that most parents tell children to get a degree and you must work hard when in reality, most 18 years lack self awareness and simply do it ‘because that just what you do’ it’s ludicrous to blindly go into further education when you have no knowledge what you’re going into.... and the educational system takes full advantage of this.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos no need to apologise, it’s good to read another perspective. I would agree every you a person needs some experience, but I would suggest working full time from 18 to 22. Many young people should stay at home and save most of their money and to pay for higher education (should it be required) By this point they would have grown up quickly as I find many uni people are still emotionally immature in comparison to young people who already work and pay rent etc. I also think they will have a better insight as to what field is realistically more suited and appealing to them. They have already gained experience which many companies use this as an excuse to exploit young people with low post graduate wages. Finally, the difference in maturity between an 18 yr old and a 23 yr old is a lot different. Anyone who takes the opportunity to save and has money would respect education a lot more as Psychologically, they’re are paying for their education rather than getting a loan out.
the government shut the jobs down because of the scamdemic and it is actually quite reasonable to ask for a refund for a service you are denied access too
Handouts? No they want to be treated like ADULTS. In the real world if you sign a contract and then the service isn’t delivered them you get the money back. Also even on job seekers you get drastically more money then a lot of students get- and as a non student you can access the council housing list if you are the income that students are expected to live on (some as low as 4K a year!). Also you do realise most students work... multiple jobs. On top of that a lot of uni courses also exploit students to work for free- I spent last night with Covid patients doing their bloods, cannulating, ABGS and helping to prone. And I pay for that privilege. We aren’t asking for handouts, we are asking to be treated like adults
@@Bringon-dw8dx I agree, with you on some points. However, I think the vast majority of students behave in a way which means that it would irresponsible for them to be treated like adults. For example, student nights, alcoholism and just plain child-like behaviour which also leads me on to the fact that the vast majority of student loans go unpaid, bearing in mind that a lot of degrees are useless and play no part in the real world, it’s just an expense that the country could do with out at the moment. Hence why students are treated like children.
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They should not pay rent if they can’t use the accommodation
I agree
Rubbish.. pay your rent
@@ldn876 loser mentality
@@jes3788 as long as the rent is paid!
@@ldn876 again, loser mentality. Unless you're rich, which I doubt many TH-cam commenters are, you've got a foot on your neck and you're asking for 'more please'. Pathetic really
The online learning is horrible. As a 1st year student this isn’t the university experience you had
I say with sincerity that going out into the World trying to be something teaches you more than slideshows ever would. Good luck for the future! UK
You shouldn't go to uni for the experience. You should be there for the piece of paper you get at the end of it, albeit the mostly useless piece of paper
Doesn't give you the right not to pay your rent
To be honest as a last year student in engineering
I rather have full online class actually as going to school takes too much time
I manage to learn programming and digital arts for 3d and other stuff without going to college
University isn't like the movies as fun as it seems man
They're spoilt... My youth wasn't the experience I expected, and yet I paid even when I couldn't afford food. This is a life. Life sucks... Harden up
My gym has suspended my Direct Debit whilst it's closed. It will start charging me again when they reopen. Makes sense right?
That’s how is done! Lockdown no earnings and no payment!
@@davidoaikhena4380 good slogan
Pure Gym?
But they will extend any contract you may have to compensate, as we found out with Bannatynes. Gyms are utter shysters.
@@machidaman not too worried. I don't plan on cancelling my membership.
One thing everyone needs to know is university are a business they don’t care about student .
Especially in England!
True for U.S, UK and Australia.
Just remember that there are so many staff who do care about their students, the reason they’re there is their students, and that they too are trying to hold out and push back against the marketisation of your education
I see so many people saying this exact thing but defend capitalism adamantly at every turn.
They're not for profit
£165 a week for accommodation??? WTF that's outrageous. Good for the students raising a rent strike. It's disgusting that the universities have to have their arms twisted to do this - shame on them
Trisha Hopkins £165 is fairly standard. At my uni it ranges from £125 to £200 a week - in London is more likely £150-300+! Completely unjustifiable but private housing is just as bad so little choice.
Sounds like your a bit out of touch with costs
AND it's often a shared flat, or a shared kitchen/ bathroom room
£165 a week would probably be an ensuite room with catered accommodation as well. A standard room is more like £105. In my experience anyway.
@@youngwolf6896 probably not catered but deffo en-suite in most cases. The en-suite/self catered at my uni ranges from £160-£190
I'm currently in my 3rd final year at Uni of Leeds and managed to arrange a room for myself in Uni accommodation back in January 2020. I'm from an EU country and haven't been in the UK since the end of March 2020 when the pandemic started, yet I was refused to cancel my contract for the room and was forced into paying the full rent, depsite me not setting foot in the UK for almost a year. The explanation was that 'The University has taken all precautions to make accommodation halls as safe as possible'.The only way I could cancel my contract is by dropping out of uni, failing a year, being denied access to the UK or probably just dying lol, judging by the general Terms&Conditions. The way they've designed these Terms&Conditions shows a fundamental lack of consideration for the students' personal circumstances (especially financial) even before Covid-19 and allow exceptions only in very severe forcemajor situations (with for whatever reason Covid not being one of them). I think Uni's should appreciate more the fact that most students rely on their parents(or somebody else) for paying rent and they should provide more flexibility in managing the contracts, both now and in the post-Covid future times :)
That's super shitty from the university,,,,
The extortion by the Universities is massive.
Sorry to hear that, really unfair can you sue to the court, education should educate people better not abusing the power and do injustice definitely its a business
Why did you choose England as a study destination after they voted to stop free movement of Europeans?! There are plenty of great cities in Europe to study or go to Ireland, a friendly and fun country. There is no point to pay for student visas to study in the UK as European, better go to Canada or Australia, you'll end up paying the same or even less.
@@stevenmcguinness I could read it perfectly, another English comment with total arrogance. Learn to speak and write a second language and then you can play smart with us Europeans!
Everyone should go on strike with rents to stop these stupid and insane measures. People have lost businesses, houses, family. How are people suppose to make money with everything closed and governments killing businesses off. How are people suppose to Support their children. People will win if we all stick together and do this strike over the whole country. You will soon see everything change.
Those demands are more than reasonable from the students. In fact they’re being generous considering how the younger generation has been forgotten.
I feel for these students getting ripped off with a online course that insane and then paying for a room they are stuck in 24/7 for a degree that puts them in debt for jobs that don't exist and some of the people from other countries are in contacts with these uni's still paying for rooms and courses struggling with bad WiFi access just insane
@aena mustafause your time wisely, you can learn everything from youtube: Gardening, Mushroom growing, foraging, plant medicine.
My university, SOAS, told us that the year would be completely online two weeks after we had already enrolled. Absolute scumbags.
I NEED A REFUND ON MY TUITION FEE AND ACCOMMODATION LIKE SERIOUSLY MAN
The Prime Minister, He must have something against the youth.
You'll never pay your student loan back anyway
This.
Why hasn’t that been cut this year? Like universities don’t have enough money already🙄
600£ a month for a prison cell.
UK uni lodging is a rip off. In Fr, Se, Fi I paid max 400€ for a very big room in a shared house.
UK students are getting fleeced and the government is letting this happen.
its so criminal it hurts. th way people (i.e universities and student rental companies) will screw over kids for money is disgusting .
The government wants it to happen.
@@tiakore7524 bingo. they're subverters, been at it since the fall of the berlin wall.
You can't expect students to rack up £40,000 worth of debt, after not getting accommodation they can use, and learning online.
They could literally stay at home for 3 years and watch TH-cam videos, and likely learn the same thing.
I’m still paying rent but my University is saying they are looking to give some reduction in accommodation. But I shouldn’t be paying full price for something I’m not using
I know this just a small post but are there any more students here or people with similar opinions? I would like to have discussion to see what your positions is and if there is anything we can all do cumulatively
you should be paying NOTHING! dont waste your parents money.
Signing the contract you took the risk that something unexpected may happen. You could have requested to specify force majeure in your contract.
@@martinr17 pretty sure the contract was already breached when the uni said students weren't allowed to live in the accommodation they were paying for. Both sides must uphold the contract, if 1 side doesn't, for whatever reason, the so-called contract is null and void
@@coolvideos8864 exactly!!!!
that accommodation looks a prison
Well done students good for you dont pay for what you can't have I support you 100% hopefully you will start a trend where everyone stands up against corruption and system madness
I feel so sorry for these students. My uni days were amazingly fun, especially Year 1. Their whole experience is being ruined :(
Much student accommodation has been paid for and built by multiple small investors all looking to capitalize on the guaranteed rent student market and this type of investor will skin you alive to get a return on their capital.
let them get skinned alive. they're mature adults that build little cupboard cells to make a profit, they ought to be literally skinned alive and burnt at the stake along with their cash +rolexes
The fact they are achieving concessions shows this kind of thing works. Well done
*“We live in a world where our social system is old, our language is old, the way we acquire goods and services is outdated, our cities are detrimental to our health, chaotic and a tremendous waste of resource, and most of all our politics and values no longer serve us.”* - _Jacque Fresco_
£165 a week for accommodation?! Even if they were living there that rate sounds excessive.
And i’m paying £500 a month to live in a legit crackden, outside my block of flats there is crack pipes and everything scattered, and you can always smell weed, I don’t even have a garden i have a balcony with a cracked screen... smh
@@CC-yh2yq No need to be a drama queen! And the smell of weed is the least of your worries!
Me rent is £200 at kent
As a student who went to Nottingham Trent I am ashamed they would not give a comment on this matter to channel 4. University is a business money making scheme... Showing their true colours
I thought my dorm room was bad those rooms look like a prison cell.
I finished Uni in '99, no course fees and was given a small grant each year (enough to pay for my books). I hate that the younger generations are being used as cash cows; not only are they surfacing from Uni with large debt to start their lives, but insane house prices are all they've ever known. Jobs don't pay much more these days, then I was being paid 20 years ago, but the cost of most things is higher, and if you want your state pension, you'll be waiting until you're 68. Each generation should be helping the ones that follow, but I haven't seen that many changes for the better.
Good luck with the protests, don't back down and don't accept compromise.
If this was affecting the boomer generation and not students, Sunnak and Boris would've written them all a cheque by now!
Why do you think these students have been told to go back to their accomodation? It's to line the pockets of the landlords, of course. You heard it in this piece, that student is paying £165 a week! Madness.
@@sarahbridges-q6x in order for landlords to turn a profit, rent needs to be a more than a landlord is paying for a mortgage. that is the same for every home that is being rented out. there are no cheap rentals. period.
@@deefjohnholler and most house sales in the uk are increasingly overseas buyers and consortium's buying them as "investments" and holding them hostage thereby inflating prices and making homes less affordable
Exactly
I don't actually blame students for becoming communists at this rate.
When you make further education a commodity as has happened here in the UK standards drop, prices rise and down right rip offs proliferate.
I feel really awful for these students. I was going to try to return to uni myself as a mature stufent in 2021 but I'm glad I didn't now. The UK post brexit is a country headed down the toilet.
they shouldn't pay rent when they can't stay there and paying full price for online courses is bullshit as well. I have been very lucky, my jobs hasn't been effected by covid but I fully sympathise with people who it has effected.
Yeah, literally I could have stayed with parents instead paying 5k for accommodation
Why should someone pay for a service they don’t get?
Because they've signed a contract for 1 year
@@jamesstockton7905 ok… couldn’t give 2 fucking dead Llamas if they’re in a contract.
@@aaronjay4118 But from a legal perspective you should care about the contract
Right?
Well done students, if you are unable to live in the student accommodation you should not have to pay for it, seems little room for debate. It is standard practice when providing a service or goods, no service or no goods equals no payment, what part of that do Universities not understand.
Why any parent would allow their child to go uni this year and be ripped off is beyond me. All these students need to get all their money back...NOW!
I mean, most 18 year olds will go regardless, parents can't stop them lol
im a first year at the uni of leeds and they way they have handled everything is disgusting. they've agreed to give us a refund for this lockdown (14th jan-19th feb), but they have ignored the previous november lockdown and the christmas period when we were also not allowed to return to halls. not to mention the fact that we have no access to any of the accomodation facilities such as study areas, bars, communal areas, gardens, music rooms etc that are included in the rent. and this isn't even taking into account the £9k that is being paid for what is essentially a sub-par open university course. we were encouraged to move into halls under the false promise of in-person learning, we only found out all learning would be over microsoft teams after the contracts had been signed. such a miserable experience.
Same at my uni! They purposefully didn't release timetables until after students moved into accomodation so students didn't stay at home after finding out their lectures are all online. We have a rebate but still doesn't cover Christmas either
I currently pay £139 a week for my private student accomodation (only 1st are allowed to live on campus) and even if i wanted to i cant terminate my contract. Luckily i was able to return to my flat at the start of january but i feel for all the students who have had to stay with family or friends, who cant return to their homes.
You can cancel the Direct Debit.
I'm afraid this is the end of education as we know it. Quite deliberate. I feel for those students, they will never have the same experience others had.
Agree . At least a 90% Discount for university owned properties at this time . But of course this will be recouped at a later date and I'm sure the students are aware of this .
They are fair enough to get rent off of their uni accommodation but second and third years like myself can't get out of our private accommodation fees. The government will need to do something for those students too
The landlord will have rent insurance, they should be able to get money from them if you don’t pay
@@natashamcd12 no the guarantor pays out, if u can’t/ don’t want to pay, which is on the hands of the parents/ family usually... so yeah...
@@CC-yh2yq except landlords can’t take action currently
@@natashamcd12 really? Wow
Let's take this further. People should demand a reduction in their Council Tax. Why should we be paying the full amount when we are in lockdown.
The council is still working.
The council are still working pretty much at full capacity (if not more)- the housing department still has to deal with its tennants and homeless, the welfare department have never been so busy, the streets still need cleaning, the rubbish need collecting.
What has changed in lockdown with regards to paying council tax?
This is a problem also of universities they know how much rent is being charged is above their student loans as someone in her 40s I went back to college in September and quickly left by end of October once I knew how much was being ripped off. You can now do most degrees online and cheaper that's all happened in a year the landscape of higher education has changed. I found cheaper course and all I need to do is demonstrate my work and creativity rather than get loans. Saas in Scotland give students a ridiculous amount of money for most people would be at home in the area of college and I bet they won't be revealing how many dropped out this year for sure colleges and universities are just big businesses now not like when I first went to college but I am not also saying that furthering yourself isn't a good thing, it is but shop around for your course. Overhaul of student loans is needed rather than get all this debt also job landscape after covid, most won't even get a job in their qualifications. It's saving the government though with unemployment figures for the next couple of years because imagine if students decided to go unemployed because no bar work no shop work oh wait that's happening already not to mention amount of young people joining OnlyFans websites or adultwork
@aena mustafaAnyone that studies in Scotland should apply to SAAS as they deal with student loans. All education is worth it! I don't see this continuing online as a permanent decision, I feel by 2022 it will be all good again. You shouldn't let this pandemic stop your dreams though because that's what keeps us going, right!
I was a final year student in the first lockdown and I wish we had been heard when we protested like this. Instead we were ignored. My university were great and waived rent for on-campus and university-owned accommodation - but my provider still harassed me into paying rent for an empty flat. If you all protest, please protest on our behalf too.
Just think if this happened to a person renting in London, to pay rent and be refused access - that is a civil case to the courts - well if you have the ££££$$$$ to afford court
Congratulations! These smart kids understand that complacency is the root of all evil.
Solidarity with these students
Good on the students for standing up for themselves. Things only change when people walk away
Solidarity with the students x
One day people will realise the only power the owner class has over the working class is how much the working class bend the knee and follow their rules.
You'll wait a while before the Tories place people before private companies...I really hope this strike works
My mum is paying twice the accommodation fees for my brother and myself and we haven’t lived there at all.
What's worse is uni tells us international students that we need to come back because classes won't be completely online, so we had to come back. Going through quarantine, leaving family and friends behind, paying an insane amount of tuition (22,900 for us)and rent, and yet to be told it will be fully online again.
Disgraceful, fully support the students.
Why would anyone go uni these days. Loads graduate and end up working in places like Timpsons or Starbucks. Save your time and money.
For lots of jobs a degree is essential
It’s because companies have stopped investing in their employees and have pushed the cost of training onto universities
Seems to be more graduates then jobs. In a way makes having the qualification pointless. People out there (pre-covid) with masters degrees and cannot find the work. I mean there is work, but they won't work at sainsbury after spending all that time and money getting that degree.
If we all just stopped paying our fixed costs I bet the Lockdown would be over on no time ..
Universities are teaching you how easy it is to Scam! That’s the lesson, YOU GOT DUKED
No one should have to pay for anything that they per force cannot use.....so well done so far guys and gals in getting the sensible outcomes of this peaceful protest .... if you don’t get a fair deal ...withhold future tuition fees and maybe consider studying in Northern Europe where the academic fees are a fraction of those in Uk ....and include accommodation ...simples👏👏👏👏🙏🎩🦄👍
I am a private renting student in a hmo. I have not being in my room since December since lockdown and I am comeback and all my lessons are now online no face-to-face
Why did I imagine this as a Mitchell and Webb bit
Are you willing to give back the maintenance loan then, which pays for your rent?
If I wasn't being charged rent yeah. My maintenance loan doesn't even cover my rent for this year let alone food, books or travel. So I'd still be better off with no maintenance loan but not being charged rent.
@@charlotteadams9720 yeah same, mine doesn’t cover my rent whatsoever- i’m on the minimum loan, my dad was unemployed for ages but got a job a couple months before i could apply for student finance, they think that your parents have more money than they do... and any money they had saved, they invested in stocks, which unexpectedly plummted with covid, its very hard, but I don’t want to apply for any more loans, and go deeper into debt...
Home was a condo on the fifteenth floor of a filing cabinet for widows and young professionals. The walls were solid concrete. A foot of concrete is important when your next-door neighbor lets their hearing aid go and have to watch game-shows at full volume. Or when a volcanic blast of debris that used to be your furniture and personal effects blows out of your floor-to-ceiling windows and sails flaming into the night. I suppose these things happen.
This just proves how very little they care for students, all universities and accommodations see is walking money, and they just keep skinning us.
If any other type of business forced you to pay for a service you were no longer receiving there would be repercussions. Forced to pay £9250 a year for two consecutive years now for online education available for £4000 from the open university (who actually have years of online education experience) and to continue paying rent. The gov don't care about uni students because the overwhelming majority are having to use gov loans to attend. Uni's get their money, gov gets their money plus interest and students just have to bend over and take it.
The worst of universities is when the REQUIRE on campus housing to be able to go to such universities, they need to change those policies and allow people to use their own housing arrangements instead of universities controlling such things.
Government should never have let it get so rediculous.
80% of them are landlords.
Last year 6 of us paid rent for a 6 bed house to a private landlord from March to June and it was entirely empty! No reductions as he said he legally didn’t have to... he then stole most of our deposits and even kicked off about us coming to collect the rest of our stuff in June as it was disrupting the work he was having done....
Good. University fees should be waived this year OR don't go back next year. "Vote with your wallets"
I should have taken a year out, but then i would have to wait another year and do it sll next year, postponing my ability to join the job market later ...
They should also reduce tuition fees. I was told that they’d work around covid to have some (fewer, but some) face to face teaching. Of course that was a lie
@Geoff Wilkins why blame the government? Other industries have given refunds where lockdowns caused disruption to the service provided- why not universities?
the university's should be ashamed of them a less than adequate online learning system that works for the benefits of no one and accommodation that you can't use and are being told no refunds. and the government accepts this as perfectly normal all student going to university are being scammed. 30% refunds on accommodations is a joke and when the are refusing to refund the hole time that student haven't been there and also haven't been able to use them you wouldn't pay rent on a flat if you couldn't live there . as long as the university is lining its pockets and taking advantage of the pandemic situation and rubbing it in there faces
This will end tuition fees
you should pay for your own fees,
unis jacked up the fees when boomers thought that any mickey mouse degree would be worth the debt and told their kids to go the taxpayer should not have to foot the bill for mickey mouse degrees.
dont get me wrong the laws need to be changed for universities and predatory lending but it is not a good thing to have people who never went to uni or paid off their debts to be forced to pay everyone elses uni bill
A) no it wont B) hopefully fees are never ended, you dont need uni why should others have to pay for MY choice.
@@sausagejockyGaming i hate these fake revolutionary unicunts who don't dare criticize the system that exploits them yet demands that system be empowered to steal from anyone who wasn't conned.
Those Marxist idiots should be going after the Banks and Universities but instead its literally everyone else FFS
they are perfect storm troopers for the establishment whilst believing they are the opposite
what about students living in private housing? students get treated like home renters and still having to pay
I rented with Fortis Student Living (now XeniaStudents) in the first lockdown, and was forced to pay for an empty flat. I’m afraid you’ll have a much harder fight on your hands with private housing, those landlords are the greediest of the lot.
I always paid 4 months of rent in advance when in uni, using my student loan. (In London) glad I don’t have to deal with this mess.
Its part of the system on money creation that individuals create money through debt, thus for the government (tories) who still believes in an outdated form of monetary system, the students must incur debt for the system to function at their expense and not anyone else's. another point is that universities are a business, they pay millions on advertisements, invest in pointless research, and students are left with degrees that are worthless or are oversaturated with graduates that it's impossible to get a job even before COVID.
Something really needs to be addressed.
Are UK students forced to take on campus accommodation? Because I’m an international student in Dublin and I live in off campus student accommodation so if I didn’t come back I would’ve just cancelled my booking.
Once you sign the contract, in the Uk mist private landlords will not let you not pay. They force you to pay even if you can’t go back..
£165 a week? What a rip off!!!
Universities research all sorts of things with the exception of the rising costs of university and the declining returns on investing in getting an undergraduate degree!
In the long run it will be to the detriment these institutions.
Students may be better off spending 3 years doing online courses with the occasional 1-to-1 expert tutoring with 50% the budget, and they will likely be better qualified for your chosen career path.
Of course, there are exceptions to this approach, for example medicine, dentistry, law etc.
Good lets hope students learn most learning is done outside of the classroom.
refuse to pay anything no home no pay...same goes for council tax no services no pay
My uni is refunding me for the time im not there, thats how they should all be
what uni is that? Good on them
@@staycalm88 uni of Sheffield
All student unions should be pressing universities to issue refunds, why is this not happening? What are the student unions doing right now?
That is what student unions are doing, lots have successfully gained rebates from their universities. The issue is the unis have limited funds, many are in unstable financial positions and need further support from the government to offer any more money back. My uni has granted us an 8 week rebate but if the uni has to stay closed for longer I'm not sure it can afford to not charge students rent
They say that University is the happiest thing you can do in your life
Simple don’t pay as your not getting the service
How about an international one? what measure is there? is there any chance for a reduction of fees?
Yeah international students are totally fucked, most have returned to their home country and due to covid borders gave closed... lectures air online at times when they are asleep so they have to be pretty much nocturnal... they are paying around £20,000 usually... and are paying for accomodation they can’t legally access in another country.... they can’t legally access their own second home, it’s fucked up
I dropped out of Uni because the online education was a freaking scam. I was totally ripped off, and wasted a year of my life.
And im sure the government would ask you to use student loan to repay the debt
Finally students are growing a backbone
@@BeardLAD Basically; I think that it is refreshing that students (who have not got access to the facilities they are paying for due to lockdown) are taking some form of civil disobedience action.
No. Finally students have got their own band waggon to jump on.
Why pay rent to be taught online if you can stay at home and use the internet.
I took gap year all this was predictable
This should be reported by the BBC news, I wonder are they bidding it. It's a national news that the country and the public must know. Thank you very much Chanel 4 News, I appreciate.
Universities are just big business now. They don’t care about education.
Also, a university isn’t a weekend camp with your mates. They need stop saying a University experience.
It should be a 100% discount!
Uni seems like a scam anyways.
Depends which job you are happy to have.
Do they need to be encouraged to stop their payments for a product they can't use? I thought these people were supposed to be intelligent?
Stange!!! Nobody is blaming EU for that.
Or brexit.
It's a university gym, but not as we know it. I bet he couldn't wait to say that.
Not suggesting I think this should happen,but isnt the student loan to pay rent? so if no rent i think they'd have to return some loan. The government isnt going to help out properly I dont think.
If I didn't go back to campus, I wouldn't mind giving up my student loan if I didn't have to pay rent because my rent for this year is already more than my loan and that's not including travel, food, books or stationery. Not everyone is in that situation though it's a tricky one.
@@charlotteadams9720 I do sympathise, its very expensive going to university allready and the situation is not at all fair on any of you. I hope the government help, but i'm not very confident whatever they do will be enough.
Student loans don’t cover anywhere near enough to pay rent (mine are 2k short of rent- some years it’s been as high as 4K short).
Also can we talk about the privilege of being able to just go home and live with parents rent free? 😂 When I was at uni I had to drop out for a while due to ill health still had to find the money each month to pay my rent and bills cos it was that or sleep on the street.
I know of a handful of students who were planning to live at home during university, even without the pandemic. (Not a decision that I would necessarily advocate under normal circumstances). But right now it's a complete "get out of jail for free card".
I should also clarify this isn't aimed at people stuck in horrible home lives because of the pandemic; but if you were planning on living at home whilst at uni (pandemic or no), it a) inherently implies that your home situation is at least, comfortable and b) gives you the security of your presumably stable family, then I can only say you really are in a position of exceptional privilege. Just don't let it go to your head.
Few less jobs now.
Why young people get degrees is beyond me. I never went to uni and all sorted with my house paid off by 30.
Unless you’re becoming a doctor or a specific field, you’re better off studying to be an accountant, or a trade, or some sort of engineering railway apprenticeship scheme. If you don’t know what you want to do, yet blindly paying thousands, then you deserve it through stupidity.
In regards to your first point, could it be a direct product of the education system? As it is designed to emulate the societal ladders that people naturally encounter in life. As a result, university is pitched to graduating students as the next rung of that ladder.
Now, this isn't necessarily a system that I agree with or advocate for, I find it's inherently destructive (not just financially) for 18 year olds in particular who may not know exactly what they want to do for the rest of their lives (I can't really blame people for not knowing at that age). But I think your comment reflects more on you, and what you value the most in your professional life, ie money, material success (paying off a house at 30) ect, please feel free to correct me if I have misconstrued that. But fundamentally, people are different and value different goals in life; so material success might instead provide short term satisfaction for a person, but they might be stuck in a job that they absolutely hate but can't afford to leave, which in itself is a destructive cycle.
Hence, why I personally advocate for young people to take a few years before university (between 3-5) to just work and get some understanding of what working life without a degree is like. And to also get an idea of what it's like to really start from the very bottom and see how far they can go. And to also use that time constructively to truly hone their interests and figure out what they want from life and what they want to do for the rest of their lives. Some will find that that sort of working life really suits them and they will pursue it and they'll see how high they can climb. Others won't and will get that stuck feeling and yearn for something more intellectually stimulating from their everyday job, hence why university suddenly becomes a more attractive proposition. It becomes a tool to further one's personal goals rather than exclusively a time to "find oneself" and potentially get stuck with a degree in a field that they ultimately may end up intensely disliking.
Apologies for the essay, I just found myself really running with this thought.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos
I agree with your first point, it is about what you prioritise and yes, I was money orientated.... not in the sense that I wanted a nice car or for status reasons. More for the security reasons of paying it off before I had children (or at least the majority of it) I believe I was very self aware at a young age and frugal.I understood that I didn’t know what I wanted to do and nothing is great when you have to do it 5 days a week etc. Eg, I love poker and playing guitar but I couldn’t be passionate about it 9-5 against my will...
I believe that most parents tell children to get a degree and you must work hard when in reality, most 18 years lack self awareness and simply do it ‘because that just what you do’ it’s ludicrous to blindly go into further education when you have no knowledge what you’re going into.... and the educational system takes full advantage of this.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos no need to apologise, it’s good to read another perspective. I would agree every you a person needs some experience, but I would suggest working full time from 18 to 22. Many young people should stay at home and save most of their money and to pay for higher education (should it be required)
By this point they would have grown up quickly as I find many uni people are still emotionally immature in comparison to young people who already work and pay rent etc. I also think they will have a better insight as to what field is realistically more suited and appealing to them.
They have already gained experience which many companies use this as an excuse to exploit young people with low post graduate wages.
Finally, the difference in maturity between an 18 yr old and a 23 yr old is a lot different. Anyone who takes the opportunity to save and has money would respect education a lot more as Psychologically, they’re are paying for their education rather than getting a loan out.
This government would rubber stamp G4s charging rent for prisoners in HMPS cells.
Thinks . . . . . I wonder if Patel holds shares?
i can see that warwick uni endowment is a bit lacking, surely they are trying to keep up with the million dollar salaries
These schools have found the right opportunity to earn unreasonable cash.
Don’t my mess with this generation! ❤️❤️❤️
Uni students wanting handouts again, smh. Get a real job.
the government shut the jobs down because of the scamdemic and it is actually quite reasonable to ask for a refund for a service you are denied access too
Handouts?
No they want to be treated like ADULTS. In the real world if you sign a contract and then the service isn’t delivered them you get the money back.
Also even on job seekers you get drastically more money then a lot of students get- and as a non student you can access the council housing list if you are the income that students are expected to live on (some as low as 4K a year!).
Also you do realise most students work... multiple jobs. On top of that a lot of uni courses also exploit students to work for free- I spent last night with Covid patients doing their bloods, cannulating, ABGS and helping to prone. And I pay for that privilege. We aren’t asking for handouts, we are asking to be treated like adults
@@Bringon-dw8dx I agree, with you on some points. However, I think the vast majority of students behave in a way which means that it would irresponsible for them to be treated like adults. For example, student nights, alcoholism and just plain child-like behaviour which also leads me on to the fact that the vast majority of student loans go unpaid, bearing in mind that a lot of degrees are useless and play no part in the real world, it’s just an expense that the country could do with out at the moment. Hence why students are treated like children.
No way I’d be paying rent! What an absolute mockery. 😂
Thank God for strikers