The human voice can do amazing things with some practice. Somehow for the singer, it is just a glissando between C and D cut into pieces, but you need to be able to imagine where the to place the notes precisely and that is a thing that needs training.
@adam I hope big music theory channel can help small but good quality. This kind theory is nearly impossible popular, but also hard to get even in university.
Now it's possible using synthetic instruments to have a recreation of an enharmonic organ without all the mechanical complications. This would make such music available to a wider range of performers. (and audiences) .
@@brianbuch1 There's an alternative keyboard layout known as the Bosanquet-Wilson layout that is isomorphic and makes possible keyboard instruments that are not limited to 12-tone well or equal temperaments.
Enharmonic music, as presented here, is basically microtonal music. And while microtonality is indeed a device that some modern composers have made - and are making - use of, it's been an integral part of many traditional forms of music since ancient times (remember that he referenced the ancient Greek genera). Music from Greece (especially Crete), the Middle East, Turkey and India (among many others) - they're all making use of microtonal scale systems, of which our 'Western' (tempered) scales are merely a very small subset.
@@Doeff8 keep living in a fantasy, never to understand life and your worthlessness. There is no "essense of emotions" there is merely religion and delusion surrounding a biological tool.
Fascinating! As soon as the singer hits the enharmonic chromatic note, I completely lose my sense of the tonality. The final resolution comes as a wonderful surprise. I would love to hear a complete recording of this piece with the microtonal ending.
Yeah, I noticed that when I heard it too. Super odd sensation. That first note hits and, even when that last note resolved, it took my brain a second to follow actually let it feel complete and in tune.
Fascinating. It's notable that the final cadential passage in the organ is much more elaborate in the enharmonic version, to drive home the music's arrival at the tonic after its long enharmonic pilgrimage.
That was a grand and disturbing experience. I love it. Alice's smile of happiness on successful completion of the micro-semitones was wonderful to see.
Damn that enharmonic chromatic passage at the end evokes so much emotion, and does a very great and effective way of creating tension and makes the resolution even more rewarding.
You just kept me interested over 2 measures of previously unrecorded music for over 10 minutes. I would love to see other interpretations of ancient tonal arrangements.
This channel is amazing. Each video is densely packed with interesting history and theory, and the approach taken with the organization makes each video feel like an unintimidating and comprehensive small chunk of a large and potentially overwhelming narrative to follow otherwise. I've been really enjoying watching your videos. Thank you :)
Interesting! The effect from the enharmonic notes is like no other. Are there other pieces composed like this too? Also, Alice's smile made my day ♥️♥️
It's SO amazing to see the microtonality found in the early sources and to see the underrated 31edo (division of the octave into 31 equal parts) pops out in more and more places. Thank you very much!
That was amazingly enjoyable and educational. I'm a fan of Cavalieri, but I did not know about such things. Thank You for all the information and beautiful performance.
As a Cellist, my favorite scores were all Baroque, until now. I have a newfound appreciation for earlier musical styles/scores now! Thank you for opening my ears to this previously missed treasure!
Wonderful! Cavalieri’s Lamentations were my first experience with renaissance music, and I still find it to be some of the most beautiful music to listen to. Highly interesting to find that he employed such techniques, and I now wish to hear a full recording of the work with this passage as it was meant to be played!
As always a great video! Since you like discussing "avant-garde" early music I would suggest a video about Gesualdo. I've always wondered why he composed like that but I don't have the amount of knowledge you have. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
When they actually performed the the phrase at 9:32 , I thought the enharmonic parts were done well enough it didnt sound bad to me, but this extra dimension of pitch is hard to use well and to appreciate, which is why it's basically disappeared from current music
You say it's hard to use. Obviously, on modern instruments. "Modern" instruments are just about 100% factory-made, and I'm including the Steinway grands. The Dodeka language was used to try to move away from the tonal code of dominant/tonic. There are still some cultures who have a richer tonal division. In fact the tone in itself is a rather interventional system. The natural Pythagoras scale is based on natural resonances (perfect fifths, natural thirds, "big" minor thirds, etc.). During the Renaissance era there was a lot of experimentation going on- actually much more than today, when the building of a replica needs years of research and study. That just goes to show how far we've strayed from true curiosity. We think that we can close the book. Wrong.
I absolutely agree modern popular music is much less elaborate tonally (and melodically), but more diverse in the variety of sounds that can be used thanks to synthesized music. For me, its hard to sing in intervals smaller than a semitone, perhaps because I'm accustomed to semitones being the "smallest" interval, or maybe it is naturally hard to sing such tones, I'm not sure. However, the potential of enharmonics and microtonal has not even been scratched. In this composition it was just a very basic chord progression at the end
@@KuraSourTakanHour I agree with you, there is a lot of unknown potential out there. And about how easy or difficult the execution is: just listen to traditional Serbian or Georgian music, to name just two examples. They sing (a cappella) the most exotic (to our ears) intervals without even thinking about them. They don't even name them, they are just there. I don't believe that the 'difficulty' was the reason western music history took a path of constant simplification.
The best, most concise, well organized, well prepared and well executed video I have seen on TH-cam. A model for other to follow, demonstrating that one does not need to begin with 'hey guys' followed by tedious repetitions of 'like'. Thank you.
¡Good! You are making clear details of music of past times, that can make us appreciate more their work. Now you can do what conservatories never could do! Thanks for your detailed exploration of music, and making it possible in practice! ¡Muy bien! Hacen muy claros detalles de la música de los tiempos antiguos que nos permiten apreciar mejor sus obras. Ahora pueden hacer ustedes lo que los conservatorios nunca han podido hacer. ¡Gracias por sus investigaciones y por hacerlo posible en la práctica! Alice sings very nicely this subtle sounds, but also shows a wonderful character disposition! Alicia canta muy bien estas sutilezas, pero además muestra un carácter excelnte.
What a treat to get to listen and learn from your materials and research! It's like university never stopped and that in music, there is always wonder and something fun around the corner!
Aside from the fascinating topic and all the aspects of its ingenious presentation: The nonverbal communication between organist and soprano in the last outtake is just so charming!
This turned out to be a very interesting find...TH-cam surfin' at its best...hangin' 10, with no wipe out. I also instantly, "liked" it, and subscribed to your channel. As someone who enjoys both European early music and American early music - yes, especially pre-WWII, Blues music. Many of the early Blues musicians sang and played notes that were betwixt our equal temperament tuning, half steps...and, this was not by accident, you mean ol' scoffers, and malcontents...it was by design. I'm now believing that Charley Patton, Son House, and some of the other phellers must have studied Cavalieri's music, dug it, and decided to follow suit. Oh, lighten up, you doubt-philled pholksies...seriously. // This was a brilliant find...please continue.
Just love your pseudo Alty Philly! Then your use of the "ph" factor. Nearly took it seriously at first, with "phellas", then had a real chuckle at the end. I'll stand you a beer next time I'm in town.
Just..wow! I don't know if the most epic thing is your joy in playing and explaining the thing or the fact that enharmonic finale sounds very good..so inspiring!
To have commissioned an organ specifically to accommodate the additional sounds, plus the effort needed to learn to play competently must mean that many more examples of this type of music existed. I like to think of a box of manuscripts sitting in a box in some dusty attic somewhere. And Alice Borciani has a killer smile.
I love this channel so much. I'm very thankful to the entire team behind Early Music Sources. Com I take back so much every single time. Best wishes from India
This is so extremely fascinating I cannot stop listening to it over and over again! And, of course, I will take a look to the rest of the materials you have in your channel. Thanks a lot!
I've been interested in Early Music for decades but my detailed knowledge is almost entirely limited to the 18th Century so a lot of this was completely new to me. It was fascinating and exciting to learn about the enharmonic notes.
All praise to the soprano hitting those enharmonic notes!
The human voice can do amazing things with some practice. Somehow for the singer, it is just a glissando between C and D cut into pieces, but you need to be able to imagine where the to place the notes precisely and that is a thing that needs training.
Lovely notes!
Lovely singing, she sounds great.
It sounds to me that Alicia (sp?) hit those notes with utter accuracy. Amazing, and very beautiful.
teacher: You were flat!
Me: um, it was an Enharmonic choice. please take it up with Cavalieri.
Haa!
Dang, this was such a great video. Great performance and great research!
Yo Adam Neely! Cool to see you watch this channel too, it's criminally underrated!
Yep, thanks to you I discover this great channel some years ago. Thank you and thanks to Elam to the always great contents.
@adam I hope big music theory channel can help small but good quality. This kind theory is nearly impossible popular, but also hard to get even in university.
Time to play an enharmonic version of The Lick
I keep on bumping into you when I least expect.
I didn’t expect the passage to be played with the microtonal components. KUDOS to the performers for accomplishing this.
Using the only enharmonic organ in the world though. Pretty cool
@@BookOfFaustus Yes, it is a privilege to have access to this instrument indeed!
Now it's possible using synthetic instruments to have a recreation of an enharmonic organ without all the mechanical complications. This would make such music available to a wider range of performers. (and audiences) .
@@brianbuch1 There's an alternative keyboard layout known as the Bosanquet-Wilson layout that is isomorphic and makes possible keyboard instruments that are not limited to 12-tone well or equal temperaments.
Listening to such old music using compositional tools modern composers are only now rediscovering... Incredible.
Enharmonic music, as presented here, is basically microtonal music. And while microtonality is indeed a device that some modern composers have made - and are making - use of, it's been an integral part of many traditional forms of music since ancient times (remember that he referenced the ancient Greek genera). Music from Greece (especially Crete), the Middle East, Turkey and India (among many others) - they're all making use of microtonal scale systems, of which our 'Western' (tempered) scales are merely a very small subset.
@@renderizer01 west african music too, and american music with african roots.
9:45
The build-up to the final note is so piercing, it almost hurts! But when it's finally hit, it feels rewarding and soothing.
I cried. No less.
@@Doeff8 your emotions do not matter.
@@Whatismusic123 Oh, but they do. You as a person don't matter, if you deny the essence of emotions for others.
@@Doeff8 keep living in a fantasy, never to understand life and your worthlessness.
There is no "essense of emotions" there is merely religion and delusion surrounding a biological tool.
@@Whatismusic123 Stop using drugs and drinking too much.
Now I must binge watch every video in your channel.
Natheniel Becken hahaha same
Ah the pleasure if the binge watch 🎼
i find myself in the same predicament
Yes. Same.
9:32
9:32
9:32
To those who want to keep repeating the enharmonic passage, here you go!
Thank you! Just adding the exact part where the magic happens for myself:
9:45
9:45
9:45
I could listen to that all day.
I didn't want to hear it the FIRST time....
It's so satisfying!
Fascinating! As soon as the singer hits the enharmonic chromatic note, I completely lose my sense of the tonality. The final resolution comes as a wonderful surprise. I would love to hear a complete recording of this piece with the microtonal ending.
Yeah, I noticed that when I heard it too. Super odd sensation. That first note hits and, even when that last note resolved, it took my brain a second to follow actually let it feel complete and in tune.
Now THIS is a music channel. Professional, straight to the point.
Every video I watch just makes me even more enthusiastic about renaissance music. MICROTONES!? YESSSSS
subscribing to this channel just based on this one video. unbelievable.
ME TOO !
Idem
Same
and me!
and me
Fascinating. It's notable that the final cadential passage in the organ is much more elaborate in the enharmonic version, to drive home the music's arrival at the tonic after its long enharmonic pilgrimage.
What an interesting episode! Alice has a wonderful voice.
Alice YOU ROCK it was amazing to hear you nail that part!!!
This channel is fantastic.
I've been looking for this video again for months
That was a grand and disturbing experience.
I love it. Alice's smile of happiness on successful completion of the micro-semitones was wonderful to see.
That enharmonic passage, when performed by Alice, gets me crying. Wonderful.
The vocalist absolutely nailed those crazy notes. Wow.
I have always wondered why bother learning about music this old. These videos are so exciting. Now I know why.
I know little about music theory, but those notes tingled my teeth.
yes, very nice musical notation of bitterness
One of the best music channels on TH-cam!
Damn that enharmonic chromatic passage at the end evokes so much emotion, and does a very great and effective way of creating tension and makes the resolution even more rewarding.
Excellent. The singing seemed almost impossible. Great stuff, cheers.
Cavalieri. Another glorious composer to explore. Thank you Mr Rotem.
Wow.... *Much admiration to the Alice Borciani* for have sung that enigmatic enharmonic passage
You just kept me interested over 2 measures of previously unrecorded music for over 10 minutes. I would love to see other interpretations of ancient tonal arrangements.
I am in great awe for the singer to produce these completely foreign intervalls!!
Both singing/playing, research, commenting and video montage are all phenomenal ! Thanks
I loved the graphic you inserted at 8:31; it clearly represented what I was thinking and feeling! 😮😊
Lovely! Fascinating!
This channel is amazing. Each video is densely packed with interesting history and theory, and the approach taken with the organization makes each video feel like an unintimidating and comprehensive small chunk of a large and potentially overwhelming narrative to follow otherwise. I've been really enjoying watching your videos. Thank you :)
I'm blown away by how fantastic that enharmonic passage sounded! Thank you for taking the trouble to do this, and I loved the humour, too 😀
Utterly charming presentation :)
I find myself every several months or so listen to the reconstructed ending. Thank you for your wonderful work that is a truly professional channel.
Interesting! The effect from the enharmonic notes is like no other. Are there other pieces composed like this too?
Also, Alice's smile made my day ♥️♥️
It's SO amazing to see the microtonality found in the early sources and to see the underrated 31edo (division of the octave into 31 equal parts) pops out in more and more places. Thank you very much!
fascinating, and strange -- and what a wonderful performance!
Exquisite, as usual. THANK YOU!
lovely !Great musicians here
Bellissimo video! Grazie!
Thank you!
Thank you, Elam.
Superb work. Best channel on TH-cam for analysis of “old” music. Eminently well researched and executed. Thanks!!
This is wonderful and fascinating and not bitter at all!
Mind-blowing.
Fantastic vocal skills
She is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO adorable!!!!
Excellent!
She has a great smile to match her stunning voice.
Great video and clearly explained!
That was amazingly enjoyable and educational. I'm a fan of Cavalieri, but I did not know about such things. Thank You for all the information and beautiful performance.
Fantastic! The enharmonic passage brought me out in goosebumps the first time I listened to it.
This is beautiful
Superb research, superb interpretation (Alice is great! Amazing precision in such a difficult passage), superb edition... this is top quality content.
Il "vaffanculo" ci sta tutto! Grande @Alice Borciani!
As a Cellist, my favorite scores were all Baroque, until now. I have a newfound appreciation for earlier musical styles/scores now! Thank you for opening my ears to this previously missed treasure!
GRAZIE!!!
Purely amazing all of you - thank you for creating such great content!
Her solo gave me chills, absolutely gorgeous!
Fascinating.
Wonderful! Cavalieri’s Lamentations were my first experience with renaissance music, and I still find it to be some of the most beautiful music to listen to. Highly interesting to find that he employed such techniques, and I now wish to hear a full recording of the work with this passage as it was meant to be played!
i'm totally impressed how beautiful these 'forbidden ' harmonies sound.
Chapeau! Thanks for your ever interesting channel.
Excellent as always!
I am blessed to have found this gem of a channel.
This videos are A-MA-ZING😭😭😭 we cannot thank you enough!!!! 🍀✨
As always a great video!
Since you like discussing "avant-garde" early music I would suggest a video about Gesualdo. I've always wondered why he composed like that but I don't have the amount of knowledge you have. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Seconded
I just was on a gesualdo kick recently lol
Delightfully informative video which proves that they are no new ideas under the sun (that haven't already been done before) ♥♥♥
When they actually performed the the phrase at 9:32 , I thought the enharmonic parts were done well enough it didnt sound bad to me, but this extra dimension of pitch is hard to use well and to appreciate, which is why it's basically disappeared from current music
You say it's hard to use. Obviously, on modern instruments. "Modern" instruments are just about 100% factory-made, and I'm including the Steinway grands. The Dodeka language was used to try to move away from the tonal code of dominant/tonic. There are still some cultures who have a richer tonal division. In fact the tone in itself is a rather interventional system. The natural Pythagoras scale is based on natural resonances (perfect fifths, natural thirds, "big" minor thirds, etc.). During the Renaissance era there was a lot of experimentation going on- actually much more than today, when the building of a replica needs years of research and study. That just goes to show how far we've strayed from true curiosity. We think that we can close the book. Wrong.
I absolutely agree modern popular music is much less elaborate tonally (and melodically), but more diverse in the variety of sounds that can be used thanks to synthesized music.
For me, its hard to sing in intervals smaller than a semitone, perhaps because I'm accustomed to semitones being the "smallest" interval, or maybe it is naturally hard to sing such tones, I'm not sure. However, the potential of enharmonics and microtonal has not even been scratched. In this composition it was just a very basic chord progression at the end
@@KuraSourTakanHour I agree with you, there is a lot of unknown potential out there. And about how easy or difficult the execution is: just listen to traditional Serbian or Georgian music, to name just two examples. They sing (a cappella) the most exotic (to our ears) intervals without even thinking about them. They don't even name them, they are just there. I don't believe that the 'difficulty' was the reason western music history took a path of constant simplification.
Every video is truly enlightening. You should be teaching everywhere!!
Thanks for your work
The best, most concise, well organized, well prepared and well executed video I have seen on TH-cam. A model for other to follow, demonstrating that one does not need to begin with 'hey guys' followed by tedious repetitions of 'like'. Thank you.
One of the most instructional video ever seen in my whole life.
¡Good! You are making clear details of music of past times, that can make us appreciate more their work. Now you can do what conservatories never could do! Thanks for your detailed exploration of music, and making it possible in practice! ¡Muy bien! Hacen muy claros detalles de la música de los tiempos antiguos que nos permiten apreciar mejor sus obras. Ahora pueden hacer ustedes lo que los conservatorios nunca han podido hacer. ¡Gracias por sus investigaciones y por hacerlo posible en la práctica! Alice sings very nicely this subtle sounds, but also shows a wonderful character disposition! Alicia canta muy bien estas sutilezas, pero además muestra un carácter excelnte.
What a treat to get to listen and learn from your materials and research! It's like university never stopped and that in music, there is always wonder and something fun around the corner!
That ascending enharmonic trope is so wonderfully strange and beautiful.
Aside from the fascinating topic and all the aspects of its ingenious presentation: The nonverbal communication between organist and soprano in the last outtake is just so charming!
This turned out to be a very interesting find...TH-cam surfin' at its best...hangin' 10, with no wipe out. I also instantly, "liked" it, and subscribed to your channel. As someone who enjoys both European early music and American early music - yes, especially pre-WWII, Blues music. Many of the early Blues musicians sang and played notes that were betwixt our equal temperament tuning, half steps...and, this was not by accident, you mean ol' scoffers, and malcontents...it was by design. I'm now believing that Charley Patton, Son House, and some of the other phellers must have studied Cavalieri's music, dug it, and decided to follow suit. Oh, lighten up, you doubt-philled pholksies...seriously. // This was a brilliant find...please continue.
Just love your pseudo Alty Philly! Then your use of the "ph" factor. Nearly took it seriously at first, with "phellas", then had a real chuckle at the end. I'll stand you a beer next time I'm in town.
Wow! Another impressive video from Early Music Sources! Great tuning from the soprano. Hard to achieve, for sure!
Finally I got to listen to that phrase in its original form! Thank you for this upload! It was a real treat!
Thank you for this--I love Cavalieri but had not encountered this piece of music. Fantastic singing!
Easily the most interesting Music History video I've ever seen. Thank you, all three!
This channel is such a gift to humanity thank you for your hard work!!!
Hats off to Alice! I too went to the Schola Cantorum back in the '80s.
That enharmonic passage makes me tear up every time. Such a powerful and piercing sound.
Wouahou !! Bravo Alice !
Wunderbar, vielen Dank!
Just..wow! I don't know if the most epic thing is your joy in playing and explaining the thing or the fact that enharmonic finale sounds very good..so inspiring!
Well done Alice , a striking performance.
Cool! Such sound makes all the difference in the world!
To have commissioned an organ specifically to accommodate the additional sounds, plus the effort needed to learn to play competently must mean that many more examples of this type of music existed. I like to think of a box of manuscripts sitting in a box in some dusty attic somewhere.
And Alice Borciani has a killer smile.
I love this channel so much. I'm very thankful to the entire team behind Early Music Sources. Com
I take back so much every single time.
Best wishes from India
This is so extremely fascinating I cannot stop listening to it over and over again! And, of course, I will take a look to the rest of the materials you have in your channel. Thanks a lot!
I've been interested in Early Music for decades but my detailed knowledge is almost entirely limited to the 18th Century so a lot of this was completely new to me. It was fascinating and exciting to learn about the enharmonic notes.
Incredible. What a fantastic presentation! Thank you for making it
You are very calm and inspiring. Your use of Adventure Time is my favorite. I love that show, it is awesome! Stay well, Elam sir.
This is absolutely amazing!!
Those shifts are strikingly, almost frustratingly beautiful.
I love when I stumble on to a subject I know nothing about. Now I have a new rabbit hole to adventure into 😁