@adam I hope big music theory channel can help small but good quality. This kind theory is nearly impossible popular, but also hard to get even in university.
The human voice can do amazing things with some practice. Somehow for the singer, it is just a glissando between C and D cut into pieces, but you need to be able to imagine where the to place the notes precisely and that is a thing that needs training.
Enharmonic music, as presented here, is basically microtonal music. And while microtonality is indeed a device that some modern composers have made - and are making - use of, it's been an integral part of many traditional forms of music since ancient times (remember that he referenced the ancient Greek genera). Music from Greece (especially Crete), the Middle East, Turkey and India (among many others) - they're all making use of microtonal scale systems, of which our 'Western' (tempered) scales are merely a very small subset.
Now it's possible using synthetic instruments to have a recreation of an enharmonic organ without all the mechanical complications. This would make such music available to a wider range of performers. (and audiences) .
@@brianbuch1 There's an alternative keyboard layout known as the Bosanquet-Wilson layout that is isomorphic and makes possible keyboard instruments that are not limited to 12-tone well or equal temperaments.
@@Doeff8 keep living in a fantasy, never to understand life and your worthlessness. There is no "essense of emotions" there is merely religion and delusion surrounding a biological tool.
Fascinating! As soon as the singer hits the enharmonic chromatic note, I completely lose my sense of the tonality. The final resolution comes as a wonderful surprise. I would love to hear a complete recording of this piece with the microtonal ending.
Yeah, I noticed that when I heard it too. Super odd sensation. That first note hits and, even when that last note resolved, it took my brain a second to follow actually let it feel complete and in tune.
Fascinating. It's notable that the final cadential passage in the organ is much more elaborate in the enharmonic version, to drive home the music's arrival at the tonic after its long enharmonic pilgrimage.
As always a great video! Since you like discussing "avant-garde" early music I would suggest a video about Gesualdo. I've always wondered why he composed like that but I don't have the amount of knowledge you have. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Interesting! The effect from the enharmonic notes is like no other. Are there other pieces composed like this too? Also, Alice's smile made my day ♥️♥️
Thanks again Elam. So when is your version of Cavalieri's works dropping?😆 I just read your thesis on Cavalieri (from the foot notes in the last video) and it was amazing to read (specially because I read it in my mind with your voice 🙃), and I think destiny is calling you to keep Cavalieri's soul alive. Thanks in so many ways Elam for your contributions to the musical world!
You can pick up Elam’s excellent edition of the complete Lamentations and Responsories of Cavalieri from the Vatican MS over on IMSLP: imslp.org/wiki/Lamentationes_Jeremiae_Prophetae_(Cavalieri%2C_Emilio_de')
This channel is amazing. Each video is densely packed with interesting history and theory, and the approach taken with the organization makes each video feel like an unintimidating and comprehensive small chunk of a large and potentially overwhelming narrative to follow otherwise. I've been really enjoying watching your videos. Thank you :)
Cavalieri also commissioned and projected the Burzi-Palmieri organ in S. Maria in Aracoeli, Rome. A very special organ in the renaissance italian panorama, at the time. It had two keyboards and a “ruckpositiv” (positivo tergale) very well known by Frescobaldi, who came in Rome in 1600 and lived in Rome near Aracoeli church
Some technical notes/details on the organ (in Italian, but given your name it's probably not an issue for you). www.organcompendium.info/organi/italia29.html
Microtonal properties found in early form of chordophone such Sumerian dutar and the legacy continues with Arabic, Syrian and Turkish Oud. Practically speaking, the old believe that a musician may play an out tune melody, can now be regards as playing 'bitter melody' range 1/5 of a regular wholetone.. awesome research
I find the "forbidden" intervals of the second ending very exciting musically (especially the augmented second). I would have a hard time with the aesthetics of "enharmonic" divisions of the tone used in any way apart from a stepwise ascent (or descent) of diesises, as they are used here. Imagine the atrocity of an interval from G to D/ or D.. I see why the this third "genus" was destined to remain an arcane curiosity.
The best, most concise, well organized, well prepared and well executed video I have seen on TH-cam. A model for other to follow, demonstrating that one does not need to begin with 'hey guys' followed by tedious repetitions of 'like'. Thank you.
It would be awesome if there ware a full recording of the entire piece, or rather of the whole collection "Lamentations and Responsories for the Holy week" led by Elam Rotem and these fine musicians.
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We should mention here that in modern times, we now play such tones routinely, especially in the blues. There are instruments that are capable of playing such tones, such as the guitar, harmonica, BluesBox, and many of the brass and woodwind instruments. It's called "bending notes," and they add an entirely different dimension to the sound.
All I heard was static in my ears with the “split” intervals. That’s how my ears have told me something’s not “in tune” when playing or singing in ensembles. When I was younger, I’d actually get a headache from this.
In the plucked instruments like the lute and theorbo we use the tastino, a small fret between the two first frets. In cases like the meantone temperament, this allows you to play two different F#. The same as you've got in the Organs with two different black keys each. Is very interesting to hear the harmonies in the "original" (the most similar we can do that ) manner. Is not strange people didn't try to record this way! Is very difficult! Great job!
That was a grand and disturbing experience. I love it. Alice's smile of happiness on successful completion of the micro-semitones was wonderful to see.
The Blues or the guitar becuase you can bend the strings or slide into the notes..or FRETLESS guitars. If you study the blues...the so can b3 isnt really a b3 it's somewhere between b3 and Maj3. With modern technology..you should be able to play more micro tones.via..pitch bender stick/wheel (for keyboards) or pedal....aside from a whammy or vibrato bar. I use to write music via using Q basic...There's millions of tones between because it's just math equations or decimals points...All the sounds FX from video games..ect They're just different intervals speed up, stretch, slow down warp...You just alter the math....it's humanly impossible to do it . Our fingers arnt that fast or our lungs arnt that big.
By today's standards, yes the historical "enharmonic genus" is microtonal because it uses steps smaller than a semitone. But not all microtonal music uses the enharmonic genus (which is a specific type of scale).
Microtonal is a modern concept, but alas, "enharmonic" music is indeed microtonal. P.S.: that's why I've always insisted we did historically accurate studies and performances of renaissance music, because they had a ton of microtonal stuff going on.
It's not totally the same. The basis wasn't equal temperament; it was meantone with it's large and small semitones. So you cut unequal semitones in parts....
@@carlosandres7006 Same here! But in truth, there's a whole industry of such divisions inthe last 60 years or so. What really sets both Cavallieri and Collier apart (in addition to their uncannily similar surnames) is the use of microtonality for voice leading in the context of an otherwise tonal piece.
Wonderful! Cavalieri’s Lamentations were my first experience with renaissance music, and I still find it to be some of the most beautiful music to listen to. Highly interesting to find that he employed such techniques, and I now wish to hear a full recording of the work with this passage as it was meant to be played!
What gorgeous music and a fascinating look at a topic I was unaware of. I think there is something about great sorrow that can foster joy, as odd as that may sound, in that it can 'break us open' and allow light shine into our dark places. I've heard jazz and blues singers hit some of those 'enharmonics' as they slowly slide from one note to another, as in the song Summertime. Also Indian music can have a very lilting sound as singers slide between notes.
When they actually performed the the phrase at 9:32 , I thought the enharmonic parts were done well enough it didnt sound bad to me, but this extra dimension of pitch is hard to use well and to appreciate, which is why it's basically disappeared from current music
You say it's hard to use. Obviously, on modern instruments. "Modern" instruments are just about 100% factory-made, and I'm including the Steinway grands. The Dodeka language was used to try to move away from the tonal code of dominant/tonic. There are still some cultures who have a richer tonal division. In fact the tone in itself is a rather interventional system. The natural Pythagoras scale is based on natural resonances (perfect fifths, natural thirds, "big" minor thirds, etc.). During the Renaissance era there was a lot of experimentation going on- actually much more than today, when the building of a replica needs years of research and study. That just goes to show how far we've strayed from true curiosity. We think that we can close the book. Wrong.
I absolutely agree modern popular music is much less elaborate tonally (and melodically), but more diverse in the variety of sounds that can be used thanks to synthesized music. For me, its hard to sing in intervals smaller than a semitone, perhaps because I'm accustomed to semitones being the "smallest" interval, or maybe it is naturally hard to sing such tones, I'm not sure. However, the potential of enharmonics and microtonal has not even been scratched. In this composition it was just a very basic chord progression at the end
@@KuraSourTakanHour I agree with you, there is a lot of unknown potential out there. And about how easy or difficult the execution is: just listen to traditional Serbian or Georgian music, to name just two examples. They sing (a cappella) the most exotic (to our ears) intervals without even thinking about them. They don't even name them, they are just there. I don't believe that the 'difficulty' was the reason western music history took a path of constant simplification.
Thanks for discussing this rare and esoteric subject. I wish these videos were an hour long! Too bad you couldn't do a lecture series for The Great Courses.
The division of the tone in five steps is similar to today's definition of a tone being composed of nine commas, with a chromatic half step spanning 4 commas and a diatonic one doing 5, no matter whether up or down. I wonder if Alice is able to provide a sung exposition of both theories and highlight differences. She's so greatly endowed! Thanks for posting such nice videos guys
I had a similar comment in mind regarding commas, which were and still are theoretically important in classical music from the Middle East, especially Turkey where they utilize a system of modes that in aggregate are called 'makam' or maqam in Arabic.
What Stefano Di Garbo describes is actually 55 edo, close to 1/6 comma meantone. Note, there are 7 diatonic semitones and 5 chromatic semitones. 7*5+5*4=55. 53 edo, which approximates Pythagorean tuning would have the diatonic semitone at 4 commas and the chromatic semitone at 5.
Damn that enharmonic chromatic passage at the end evokes so much emotion, and does a very great and effective way of creating tension and makes the resolution even more rewarding.
To have commissioned an organ specifically to accommodate the additional sounds, plus the effort needed to learn to play competently must mean that many more examples of this type of music existed. I like to think of a box of manuscripts sitting in a box in some dusty attic somewhere. And Alice Borciani has a killer smile.
I love this channel so much. I'm very thankful to the entire team behind Early Music Sources. Com I take back so much every single time. Best wishes from India
Dang, this was such a great video. Great performance and great research!
Yo Adam Neely! Cool to see you watch this channel too, it's criminally underrated!
Yep, thanks to you I discover this great channel some years ago. Thank you and thanks to Elam to the always great contents.
@adam I hope big music theory channel can help small but good quality. This kind theory is nearly impossible popular, but also hard to get even in university.
Time to play an enharmonic version of The Lick
I keep on bumping into you when I least expect.
All praise to the soprano hitting those enharmonic notes!
The human voice can do amazing things with some practice. Somehow for the singer, it is just a glissando between C and D cut into pieces, but you need to be able to imagine where the to place the notes precisely and that is a thing that needs training.
Lovely notes!
Lovely singing, she sounds great.
It sounds to me that Alicia (sp?) hit those notes with utter accuracy. Amazing, and very beautiful.
teacher: You were flat!
Me: um, it was an Enharmonic choice. please take it up with Cavalieri.
Haa!
Listening to such old music using compositional tools modern composers are only now rediscovering... Incredible.
Enharmonic music, as presented here, is basically microtonal music. And while microtonality is indeed a device that some modern composers have made - and are making - use of, it's been an integral part of many traditional forms of music since ancient times (remember that he referenced the ancient Greek genera). Music from Greece (especially Crete), the Middle East, Turkey and India (among many others) - they're all making use of microtonal scale systems, of which our 'Western' (tempered) scales are merely a very small subset.
@@renderizer01 west african music too, and american music with african roots.
I didn’t expect the passage to be played with the microtonal components. KUDOS to the performers for accomplishing this.
Using the only enharmonic organ in the world though. Pretty cool
@@BookOfFaustus Yes, it is a privilege to have access to this instrument indeed!
Now it's possible using synthetic instruments to have a recreation of an enharmonic organ without all the mechanical complications. This would make such music available to a wider range of performers. (and audiences) .
@@brianbuch1 There's an alternative keyboard layout known as the Bosanquet-Wilson layout that is isomorphic and makes possible keyboard instruments that are not limited to 12-tone well or equal temperaments.
Now I must binge watch every video in your channel.
Natheniel Becken hahaha same
Ah the pleasure if the binge watch 🎼
i find myself in the same predicament
Yes. Same.
9:45
The build-up to the final note is so piercing, it almost hurts! But when it's finally hit, it feels rewarding and soothing.
I cried. No less.
@@Doeff8 your emotions do not matter.
@@Whatismusic123 Oh, but they do. You as a person don't matter, if you deny the essence of emotions for others.
@@Doeff8 keep living in a fantasy, never to understand life and your worthlessness.
There is no "essense of emotions" there is merely religion and delusion surrounding a biological tool.
@@Whatismusic123 Stop using drugs and drinking too much.
Fascinating! As soon as the singer hits the enharmonic chromatic note, I completely lose my sense of the tonality. The final resolution comes as a wonderful surprise. I would love to hear a complete recording of this piece with the microtonal ending.
Yeah, I noticed that when I heard it too. Super odd sensation. That first note hits and, even when that last note resolved, it took my brain a second to follow actually let it feel complete and in tune.
9:32
9:32
9:32
To those who want to keep repeating the enharmonic passage, here you go!
Thank you! Just adding the exact part where the magic happens for myself:
9:45
9:45
9:45
I could listen to that all day.
I didn't want to hear it the FIRST time....
It's so satisfying!
Now THIS is a music channel. Professional, straight to the point.
Every video I watch just makes me even more enthusiastic about renaissance music. MICROTONES!? YESSSSS
I know little about music theory, but those notes tingled my teeth.
yes, very nice musical notation of bitterness
Alice YOU ROCK it was amazing to hear you nail that part!!!
subscribing to this channel just based on this one video. unbelievable.
ME TOO !
Idem
Same
and me!
and me
Fascinating. It's notable that the final cadential passage in the organ is much more elaborate in the enharmonic version, to drive home the music's arrival at the tonic after its long enharmonic pilgrimage.
What an interesting episode! Alice has a wonderful voice.
I imagine trying to convince a singer do that in public without explanation would be a big ask.
I love when I stumble on to a subject I know nothing about. Now I have a new rabbit hole to adventure into 😁
As always a great video!
Since you like discussing "avant-garde" early music I would suggest a video about Gesualdo. I've always wondered why he composed like that but I don't have the amount of knowledge you have. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Seconded
I just was on a gesualdo kick recently lol
Interesting! The effect from the enharmonic notes is like no other. Are there other pieces composed like this too?
Also, Alice's smile made my day ♥️♥️
I have always wondered why bother learning about music this old. These videos are so exciting. Now I know why.
I'm blown away by how fantastic that enharmonic passage sounded! Thank you for taking the trouble to do this, and I loved the humour, too 😀
Thanks again Elam. So when is your version of Cavalieri's works dropping?😆 I just read your thesis on Cavalieri (from the foot notes in the last video) and it was amazing to read (specially because I read it in my mind with your voice 🙃), and I think destiny is calling you to keep Cavalieri's soul alive. Thanks in so many ways Elam for your contributions to the musical world!
You can pick up Elam’s excellent edition of the complete Lamentations and Responsories of Cavalieri from the Vatican MS over on IMSLP: imslp.org/wiki/Lamentationes_Jeremiae_Prophetae_(Cavalieri%2C_Emilio_de')
Fantastic! The enharmonic passage brought me out in goosebumps the first time I listened to it.
This channel is amazing. Each video is densely packed with interesting history and theory, and the approach taken with the organization makes each video feel like an unintimidating and comprehensive small chunk of a large and potentially overwhelming narrative to follow otherwise. I've been really enjoying watching your videos. Thank you :)
That ascending enharmonic trope is so wonderfully strange and beautiful.
I am in great awe for the singer to produce these completely foreign intervalls!!
Cavalieri also commissioned and projected the Burzi-Palmieri organ in S. Maria in Aracoeli, Rome. A very special organ in the renaissance italian panorama, at the time. It had two keyboards and a “ruckpositiv” (positivo tergale) very well known by Frescobaldi, who came in Rome in 1600 and lived in Rome near Aracoeli church
Some technical notes/details on the organ (in Italian, but given your name it's probably not an issue for you). www.organcompendium.info/organi/italia29.html
Superb research, superb interpretation (Alice is great! Amazing precision in such a difficult passage), superb edition... this is top quality content.
Both singing/playing, research, commenting and video montage are all phenomenal ! Thanks
Microtonal properties found in early form of chordophone such Sumerian dutar and the legacy continues with Arabic, Syrian and Turkish Oud. Practically speaking, the old believe that a musician may play an out tune melody, can now be regards as playing 'bitter melody' range 1/5 of a regular wholetone.. awesome research
I find the "forbidden" intervals of the second ending very exciting musically (especially the augmented second). I would have a hard time with the aesthetics of "enharmonic" divisions of the tone used in any way apart from a stepwise ascent (or descent) of diesises, as they are used here. Imagine the atrocity of an interval from G to D/ or D.. I see why the this third "genus" was destined to remain an arcane curiosity.
Cavalieri. Another glorious composer to explore. Thank you Mr Rotem.
Holy. Shit. Just discovered this channel, awesome!
The best, most concise, well organized, well prepared and well executed video I have seen on TH-cam. A model for other to follow, demonstrating that one does not need to begin with 'hey guys' followed by tedious repetitions of 'like'. Thank you.
Purely amazing all of you - thank you for creating such great content!
Delightfully informative video which proves that they are no new ideas under the sun (that haven't already been done before) ♥♥♥
Mind-blowing.
It would be awesome if there ware a full recording of the entire piece, or rather of the whole collection "Lamentations and Responsories for the Holy week" led by Elam Rotem and these fine musicians.
Fantastic. 👏👏👏👏👏♥️♥️♥️🎶👊
This is beautiful
Excellent as always!
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excellent!!!
Impresionante interpretación.
fascinating, and strange -- and what a wonderful performance!
We should mention here that in modern times, we now play such tones routinely, especially in the blues. There are instruments that are capable of playing such tones, such as the guitar, harmonica, BluesBox, and many of the brass and woodwind instruments. It's called "bending notes," and they add an entirely different dimension to the sound.
All I heard was static in my ears with the “split” intervals. That’s how my ears have told me something’s not “in tune” when playing or singing in ensembles. When I was younger, I’d actually get a headache from this.
Was this vid shared around somewhere? If not I’m surprised this has become their most popular video for seemingly no reason. (In a good way!)
That enharmonic passage, when performed by Alice, gets me crying. Wonderful.
In the plucked instruments like the lute and theorbo we use the tastino, a small fret between the two first frets. In cases like the meantone temperament, this allows you to play two different F#. The same as you've got in the Organs with two different black keys each. Is very interesting to hear the harmonies in the "original" (the most similar we can do that ) manner. Is not strange people didn't try to record this way! Is very difficult! Great job!
Just when I think I'm weening myself off the net TH-cam will suggest another clip for me to watch!
Fascinating
Bellissimo video! Grazie!
Cool! Such sound makes all the difference in the world!
This is fascinating!
I love this channel.. history is so much fun. And You add music.. I’m in 📖 💯 ha ha.
This is absolutely amazing!!
That was a grand and disturbing experience.
I love it. Alice's smile of happiness on successful completion of the micro-semitones was wonderful to see.
Wow! Another impressive video from Early Music Sources! Great tuning from the soprano. Hard to achieve, for sure!
So enharmonic music is similar to microtonal music?
gabriel1234 yes. Anything between a half step is a microtone
The Blues or the guitar becuase you can bend the strings or slide into
the notes..or FRETLESS guitars.
If you study the blues...the so can b3 isnt really a b3 it's somewhere
between b3 and Maj3.
With modern technology..you should be able to play more micro tones.via..pitch bender stick/wheel (for keyboards) or pedal....aside from a whammy or vibrato bar.
I use to write music via using Q basic...There's millions of tones between because it's
just math equations or decimals points...All the sounds FX from video games..ect
They're just different intervals speed up, stretch, slow down warp...You just alter the math....it's humanly impossible to do it . Our fingers arnt that fast or our lungs arnt that big.
By today's standards, yes the historical "enharmonic genus" is microtonal because it uses steps smaller than a semitone. But not all microtonal music uses the enharmonic genus (which is a specific type of scale).
Microtonal is a modern concept, but alas, "enharmonic" music is indeed microtonal.
P.S.: that's why I've always insisted we did historically accurate studies and performances of renaissance music, because they had a ton of microtonal stuff going on.
It's not totally the same. The basis wasn't equal temperament; it was meantone with it's large and small semitones. So you cut unequal semitones in parts....
Awesome--thanks for making this! And love the outtakes as well.
Incredible. What a fantastic presentation! Thank you for making it
I've been looking for this video again for months
This channel is such a gift to humanity thank you for your hard work!!!
Fascinating. Thank you.😏
Finally I got to listen to that phrase in its original form! Thank you for this upload! It was a real treat!
+jacobcollier here is someone else who tried to divide intervals by other ratios
OMG I thought of him instantly
@@carlosandres7006 Same here! But in truth, there's a whole industry of such divisions inthe last 60 years or so. What really sets both Cavallieri and Collier apart (in addition to their uncannily similar surnames) is the use of microtonality for voice leading in the context of an otherwise tonal piece.
I agree, Collier's use of very small melodic intervals follows practically the same principles that were described by Vicentino in 1555!
I was very recently wondering where Sweelinck got that tune for his Gran Duca variations! Now I know.
Wonderful! Cavalieri’s Lamentations were my first experience with renaissance music, and I still find it to be some of the most beautiful music to listen to. Highly interesting to find that he employed such techniques, and I now wish to hear a full recording of the work with this passage as it was meant to be played!
No canine or feline hearing was damaged during the recording of the enharmonic passage.
how can you be sure of that?)
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@@Tizohip It's a new twist on the old 'No animals were harmed during the making of this film' disclaimer sometimes seen in films and documentaries.
Great finding! Thanks for sharing
Fantastico! Ottimo lavoro ragazzi
WOW { ! } That is super-explanatory of a lot of things I did not understand about music . . .
You are very calm and inspiring. Your use of Adventure Time is my favorite. I love that show, it is awesome! Stay well, Elam sir.
Thank you! It's so interesting and lovely made! Greetings from Vienna! 🙋🏼♀️ 🎶
Cosa nuova è molto difficile but the most beatiful
Easily the most interesting Music History video I've ever seen. Thank you, all three!
Imagine having to sing those intervals for a living!
10:09 musicians loving music
Thanks for your work and your curiosity ! :)
A great time where composers where also musicians, mathematicians, physicists, sound engineers and lovers of poetry and theatre.
What gorgeous music and a fascinating look at a topic I was unaware of. I think there is something about great sorrow that can foster joy, as odd as that may sound, in that it can 'break us open' and allow light shine into our dark places. I've heard jazz and blues singers hit some of those 'enharmonics' as they slowly slide from one note to another, as in the song Summertime. Also Indian music can have a very lilting sound as singers slide between notes.
When they actually performed the the phrase at 9:32 , I thought the enharmonic parts were done well enough it didnt sound bad to me, but this extra dimension of pitch is hard to use well and to appreciate, which is why it's basically disappeared from current music
You say it's hard to use. Obviously, on modern instruments. "Modern" instruments are just about 100% factory-made, and I'm including the Steinway grands. The Dodeka language was used to try to move away from the tonal code of dominant/tonic. There are still some cultures who have a richer tonal division. In fact the tone in itself is a rather interventional system. The natural Pythagoras scale is based on natural resonances (perfect fifths, natural thirds, "big" minor thirds, etc.). During the Renaissance era there was a lot of experimentation going on- actually much more than today, when the building of a replica needs years of research and study. That just goes to show how far we've strayed from true curiosity. We think that we can close the book. Wrong.
I absolutely agree modern popular music is much less elaborate tonally (and melodically), but more diverse in the variety of sounds that can be used thanks to synthesized music.
For me, its hard to sing in intervals smaller than a semitone, perhaps because I'm accustomed to semitones being the "smallest" interval, or maybe it is naturally hard to sing such tones, I'm not sure. However, the potential of enharmonics and microtonal has not even been scratched. In this composition it was just a very basic chord progression at the end
@@KuraSourTakanHour I agree with you, there is a lot of unknown potential out there. And about how easy or difficult the execution is: just listen to traditional Serbian or Georgian music, to name just two examples. They sing (a cappella) the most exotic (to our ears) intervals without even thinking about them. They don't even name them, they are just there. I don't believe that the 'difficulty' was the reason western music history took a path of constant simplification.
Had no idea these ideas existed so far back! Great video!
One of the easiest subs for me, great video! The performers were excellent!
I had to step away from the computer for a moment after hearing this.
Thanks for discussing this rare and esoteric subject. I wish these videos were an hour long! Too bad you couldn't do a lecture series for The Great Courses.
The division of the tone in five steps is similar to today's definition of a tone being composed of nine commas, with a chromatic half step spanning 4 commas and a diatonic one doing 5, no matter whether up or down. I wonder if Alice is able to provide a sung exposition of both theories and highlight differences. She's so greatly endowed! Thanks for posting such nice videos guys
what you described is more like 53edo, whereas what is described in the video is effectively 31edo as an extension of 1/4-comma meantone.
I had a similar comment in mind regarding commas, which were and still are theoretically important in classical music from the Middle East, especially Turkey where they utilize a system of modes that in aggregate are called 'makam' or maqam in Arabic.
What Stefano Di Garbo describes is actually 55 edo, close to 1/6 comma meantone.
Note, there are 7 diatonic semitones and 5 chromatic semitones. 7*5+5*4=55. 53 edo, which approximates Pythagorean tuning would have the diatonic semitone at 4 commas and the chromatic semitone at 5.
This was fascinating to watch and listen to! Subscribed
Very very interesting - thank you so much.
Lovely smile Alicia - and nice blue piggy-bank.
Damn that enharmonic chromatic passage at the end evokes so much emotion, and does a very great and effective way of creating tension and makes the resolution even more rewarding.
The original enharmonic passage needs a razor sharp ear! Exiting research!
that must be hellishly difficult to sing after a lifetime of diatomic and chromatic tones. V interesting video
The vocalist absolutely nailed those crazy notes. Wow.
Something something Jacob Collier something
To have commissioned an organ specifically to accommodate the additional sounds, plus the effort needed to learn to play competently must mean that many more examples of this type of music existed. I like to think of a box of manuscripts sitting in a box in some dusty attic somewhere.
And Alice Borciani has a killer smile.
Wouahou !! Bravo Alice !
I love this channel so much. I'm very thankful to the entire team behind Early Music Sources. Com
I take back so much every single time.
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